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PGL Major Kraków 2017
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Streams
PGL | Vince | SL TV | IzakOOO | BiDa | 99Damage | O'G TV | Hitpoint | Spíler TV | Fragbite | Moreira | Imba TV (Panda)
Timezones
| PDT | EDT | BRT | BST | CEST | CST | AEST |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles | Atlanta | São Paulo | London | Kraków | Beijing | Canberra |
| UTC-7 | UTC-4 | UTC-3 | UTC+1 | UTC+2 | UTC+8 | UTC+10 |
Schedule
| ID | Team 1 | vs | Team 2 | Result | PDT | EDT | BRT | BST | CEST | CST | AEST |
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| D1 | mouz | vs | C9 | 11-16 | 01:00 | 04:00 | 05:00 | 09:00 | 10:00 | 16:00 | 18:00 |
| D2 | PENTA | vs | F3 | 13-16 | 02:50 | 05:50 | 06:50 | 10:50 | 11:50 | 17:50 | 19:50 |
| D3 | Na'Vi | vs | FNC | 12-16 | 04:30 | 07:30 | 08:30 | 12:30 | 13:30 | 19:30 | 21:30 |
| D4 | G2 | vs | Ast | 6-16 | 06:30 | 09:30 | 10:30 | 14:30 | 15:30 | 21:30 | 23:30 |
| D5 | North | vs | VP | 16-14 | 08:10 | 11:10 | 12:10 | 16:10 | 17:10 | 23:10 | 01:10 |
| D6 | SK | vs | IMT | 16-9 | 10:25 | 13:25 | 14:25 | 18:25 | 19:25 | 01:25 | 03:25 |
| E1 | FNC | vs | G2 | 16-10 | 11:45 | 14:45 | 15:45 | 19:45 | 20:45 | 02:45 | 04:45 |
| E2 | VP | vs | C9 | 16-10 | 13:25 | 16:25 | 17:25 | 21:25 | 22:25 | 04:25 | 06:25 |
| E3 | F3 | vs | IMT | 6-16 | 14:45 | 17:45 | 18:45 | 22:45 | 23:45 | 05:45 | 07:45 |
Standings
| Place | Team Name | W&L | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 |
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| 1. | Gambit E. | 3-0 | 16-10 | 16-6 | 16-11 | ||
| 1. | BIG | 3-0 | 16-8 | 16-11 | 16-14 | ||
| 3. | Astralis | 3-1 | 19-17 | 8-16 | 16-14 | 16-6 | |
| 3. | North | 3-1 | 12-16 | 16-9 | 19-15 | 16-14 | |
| 3. | SK Gaming | 3-1 | 16-13 | 16-8 | 14-16 | 16-9 | |
| 6. | Fnatic | 3-2 | 16-12 | 11-16 | 14-16 | 16-12 | 16-10 |
| 6. | Virtus.pro | 3-2 | 16-2 | 16-11 | 11-16 | 14-16 | 16-10 |
| 6. | Immortals | 3-2 | 17-19 | 16-6 | 16-10 | 9-16 | 16-6 |
| 9. | | 2-3 | 16-14 | 6-16 | 19-17 | 6-16 | 10-16 |
| 9. | | 2-3 | 16-12 | 11-16 | 17-19 | 16-11 | 10-16 |
| 9. | | 2-3 | 12-16 | 9-16 | 16-10 | 16-13 | 6-16 |
| 12. | | 1-3 | 10-16 | 19-15 | 15-19 | 11-16 | |
| 12. | | 1-3 | 13-16 | 9-16 | 16-14 | 13-16 | |
| 12. | | 1-3 | 14-16 | 16-9 | 10-16 | 12-16 | |
| 15. | | 0-3 | 2-16 | 6-16 | 14-16 | ||
| 15. | | 0-3 | 8-16 | 15-19 | 10-16 |
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u/123blobfish123 Natus Vincere Jul 19 '17
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 19 '17
Love how both navi and fnatic fans have no confidence at all. One half of you guys are going to be pleasantly surprised.
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u/RobGobbler Jul 19 '17
gg mousesports. they really took some steps forward this tournament.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 19 '17
So true, but exactly that makes it more frustrating. I mean we are used to get crushed by any halfway-decent team at the major, but this time (as well as in Cologne), we came so close but yet failed on the last metres. Feelsbadman
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u/rangerazlm EG Jul 19 '17
let me get this straight, c9 plays then is expected to play 10 hours later? Thats pretty long.
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u/psoshmo Jul 19 '17
from HLTV:
In this thread we will perform black magic luck spells to attempt to grant #C9CSGO a good round 5 draw. Hopefully these spells will push them towards the ez Flipsid3 draw and push them away from teams like imt, VP.
I'll start, everyone should do this spell (Already did):
Carefully light the candle. Now hold a cloud9 logo in your hand ( preferably right ) and feel positive energy flowing into you. From all around you - the sky and the earth Recite this incantation: I open my eyes to the chances around me Health and wealth Safety and happiness May these energies stay in this #C9CSGO Good cheer result ( repeat 3 times ) Rub object with mint leaves and blow that candle out softly.
And this one:
Draw a large pentagram on the paper and write #C9CSGO in the center.
Depending on which spell you wish to cast, sprinkle a little salt or sugar on the name. Then, drip some water on to the condiments.
Tear up the clover and mint (if mint is present), and sprinkle on to the water.
Place the special item on to the name.
Lean down to the paper and chant the good or bad spell depending on whether you used salt or sugar.(the spells are included below)
Fold the paper in half hamburger style, and then hot dog style. Repeat until paper is small enough to fit in your pocket.
Tape the paper shut and carry it around in your pocket, purse, etc.
Good Luck Spell: Good luck come, Come to stay. Chase all of the bad away. But for this, I must pay, With something dear, At no delay. This is my will, So Mote It Be!
Bad Luck Spell: Good luck go, Go away. But bring all of the bad to stay. And for this spell, I must pay a price. With something dear, As well as nice. This is my will, So Mote It Be!
Remember, how long the spell will last depends not only on the strength of the caster, but of the experience of the caster as well.
Blessed Be!
Hopefully these spells will bring luck for the boys at Cloud9 CounterStrike. The more #C9CSGO fans use these spells, the more chance of ez c9 vs f3
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u/e4mica523 Jul 19 '17
How much you wanna bet we get a SK-Astralis type quarter and a Big-Immortals/Flipside quarter? The upsets that happened earlier in the tourney are gonna make a semi match or a finals match a complete blowout
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Jul 19 '17
I really don't want to see Fnatic out in group stages again, I was devastated when GODSENT were knocked out last major and it's looking likely this time as well.
Even if they beat Na'Vi (which I think is 50/50) whoever they draw in the 2-2 match will be lethal, probably draw North or G2.
But still, I'm hoping they can still get the wins and upset!
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u/superluuk216 Natus Vincere Jul 19 '17
even my random Russians in mm know not to peek mid without the smoke on t side
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u/dgentz Jul 19 '17
These breaks between games, intended or not, are so fucking long it's ridiculous.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 19 '17
A lot of tense games today, and my pickem is largely dead anyway. Best of luck to everyone!
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
Is this a major or solo queue MG2 matchmaking
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u/XzUR_ Jul 19 '17
c9 are going to win against mouz and get a lucky draw between penta/flipsid3.
make it happen.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 19 '17
Navi getting eliminated without a real impact while Zeus going to the quarters with a clean 3-0. Oh, the irony.
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u/Moon_over_homewood de_nuke Jul 19 '17
I'm pretty sure I can reinstall windows off a flash drive, reinstall steam and CS GO, and reset the mouse sensitivity in less than an hour with a good pc/lan.
I'm just really curious what's going on
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Jul 19 '17
I am so scared that we are going to get plowed. Losing a good game wouldn't be bad but getting plowed would be terrible
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u/Ars-Nocendi de_dust2 Jul 19 '17
Let's take bets! Who is going to be the first to get past group stages in a major: Ska or NiKo?
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u/hakura97 Jul 19 '17
I cant understand how they can have so many pc problems.. they are brand new pcs built to only play CSGO i mean wtf. I have my pc for like 4 years and i dont have any problems while playing
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u/dixy48 Jul 19 '17
Hopefully fnatic don't lose momentum cause of this technical pause... always tech pauses in every game... what the fuck
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u/RavenousPonies de_cobble Jul 19 '17
Immortals or F3 go to quaters but not C9?
Yeah, BO1's are more fair. /s
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u/aftrunner NiP Jul 19 '17
WTF happened. I left this game when it was like 13-4 or something and F3 eco was in the shitter.
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u/manatidederp NiP Jul 19 '17
Fucking s1mple gave it everything he had though, what a player. This would have been a stomp hadn't it been for him.
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u/SpengderBoi Virtus.pro Jul 19 '17
kinda funny how s1mple did better with liquid at majors than he's doing with na' vi
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u/Jeff_Baezos 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
It's day 4 and i still don't know what CIS means.
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u/gonnj FaZe Jul 19 '17
ALRIGHT BOYS... NOW WE TAKE DOWN THE "BEST TEAM OF BRAZIL"
LETS ASK THEM A QUESTION
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u/Thrillar_villar Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
Probs wrong but i tried my best for possible scenarios.
| C9 | F3 | FNC | VP | G2 | IMT/SK | |
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| C9 | x | x | ||||
| F3 | x | x | ||||
| FNC | x | x | x | |||
| VP | x | x | ||||
| G2 | x | x | ||||
| IMT/SK | x |
edit:format
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
Felps is like "yeah I know where all these guys play, no worries"
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Jul 19 '17
Stewie walk peeking e-box? Are you even for real right now?
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u/ARM_Gaming Jul 19 '17
roster changes are going to be hype
NA please make a good team
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u/NightFury999 Jul 19 '17
c9 did some messed up things but hey ho at least the stickers will be cheaper >:) for me to buy
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u/ARM_Gaming Jul 19 '17
The last time VP lost to an NA team was 604 days ago, where they lost 2-0 to Liquid at IEM San Jose 2015
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u/nonresponsive Jul 19 '17
The kit hen1 saved on pistol round ended up making the difference probably in that force buy.. crazy.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Jul 19 '17
I don't think mousesports will ever make it out of the group stage of a Major, they're cursed.
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u/manatidederp NiP Jul 19 '17
Guardian dry peaking mid at 12-14, w.. why? Just throwing himself out of the round like that...
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u/ShAd_1337 Jul 19 '17
i keep saying this over and over again.. i hate these 1hour breaks between games. disgusting
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Jul 19 '17
VP vs North, its not who is playing better who is winning, its who is playing less worse.
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u/sshakya Jul 19 '17
don't know if its true or not but they just announced on the Chinese stream that its going to be
Fnatic vs G2
C9 vs VP
F3 vs SK/IMT
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u/suttlesd Jul 19 '17
I'm going to be so sad if vp don't make it. 2-0 to 2-3 will feel just as bad as a 0-3 in groups.
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u/CSGOed1 Astralis Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
So, teams will now meet to make Felps play with his monitor turned off too?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 19 '17
Dont you guys think it is time for some tech pauses? With the rest preferably being played offline?
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u/e4mica523 Jul 19 '17
Man I can only imagine how sad the arena will be if VP doesn't make it. I really want Ska to finally get out of groups, but surely VP must win this to keep the lineup together, right?
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jul 19 '17
n0thing gives away a free kill, Shroud not covering ivy, letting Ska get shot in the back for free then dies himself. Sorry you don't deserve to go the playoffs playing like this.
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u/intecknicolour NiP Jul 19 '17
c9 doesn't deserve to win. they have ridiculously sloppy play.
peek bad and never watch the flank.
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Jul 19 '17
Nobody covers n0thing as he just runs up and plants?
C9 doesn't deserve to win this and isn't going to.
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
12 hours between games today for C9 - honestly looked like it took a serious toll on their thinking/decision making.
It doesn't excuse everything, but that is a long day. Nice try, well played to VP.
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u/OldBenX ENCE Jul 19 '17
I just realized that if PGL seeds the quarters to have 3-0 teams play against 3-2, there's a good chance VP will play against BIG.
Poland vs Germany? In Kraków? With the whole crouchjump controversy surrounding BIG? Forget blowing the roof, fans are going to blow the entire hall off the ground.
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
Looks like s1mple should have stayed in Liquid tbh
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u/AlwaysWannaDie Jul 19 '17
Flipside and PENTA very lucky to get that matchup. I Think Fnatic got this against Na'Vi though, 14-16 against Astralis is a very solid result and they crushed Flipside.
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u/reservoirsmog Jul 19 '17
8-7 Mouse at the half I bet. I'm a cloud 9 fan, I'm just realistic.
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u/Rektalalchemist BIG Fan Jul 19 '17
AND AGAIN FREE KILL NOT MADE BY LOWEL THIS FUCKING SCRUB
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 19 '17
Does Mouse know there is a b spot? Or that you can try a default execute?
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u/sjj9000 Jul 19 '17
Now please lets get fnatic or flipside although i want fnatic to make it too
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u/da_samuel_lee Jul 19 '17
GGWP Mousesports better luck next time guys. At least you eliminated FaZe Clan be proyd about that and improve to qualify for the next major
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u/Andtheyrustledsoftly clutch Jul 19 '17
Holy shit lmao Anders couldn't have put it better
"That is a grotesque fuckup"
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u/Ishaan863 FaZe Jul 19 '17
This map is fucking me up man my ass cheeks are constantly clenched.
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u/ProtagonistOfLife Jul 19 '17
Fifflaren has really improved as an analyst.. I've always liked his personality and opinions that he brings to the game, but he has been a bit hard to listen to, with a mixture of accent, word choice, drawing out sentences and stuttering all playing a part..
Obviously all of that is still present to some degree, but he just seems a lot more fluent right now, idk
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u/toastermemes Jul 19 '17
PETA investigating dev1ce for animal cruelty https://clips.twitch.tv/IntelligentEncouragingAirGuitarWOOP
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Jul 19 '17
Glad to see Kjærbye getting interviewed this time. He's doing a fine job.
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u/Lilfai Natus Vincere Jul 19 '17
Oh VP, I see the results of your boot camp. Not checking corners and fucking dry peaking mid in a 5v3.
Absolute Trash.
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u/Kiinako_ 500k Celebration Jul 19 '17
If I would have gotten as many cases as scam group invites, I would be rich af
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
Swiss makes things interesting, trying to figure out the next round placements.
Assuming SK defeats Immortals
There are 12 possible matchups later today apparently. However, the order of the draw dramatically impacts the rest of the draws. For example, if the first draw is Immortals vs C9, then F3 vs VP and Fnatic vs G2 is guaranteed.
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Jul 19 '17
Ugh...I'm so scared for C9.
Imagine if SK drops this map here, then has to face VP or FN...
This last round after this SK vs IMT game is going to break hearts.
I am not ready.
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u/ibuycheats Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
Somehow behide schedule with the 1:40-2 hour room they give themselves with no OT.
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u/_ioftenfail Jul 19 '17
Man, it feels like cold + Fallen + any tier 3+ players would be a top 5 team.
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u/Mancho_United Jul 19 '17
You saw Fnatic's draws up until now? Well, G2 it is then.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 19 '17
Games start early so they can compensate for the inevitable tech pauses...
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Jul 19 '17
Anyone know what time the c9 match vs VP will start? I'm thinking of taking a quick trip to Europe from NA to watch it live.
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jul 19 '17
So disappointed with the way this tournament has turned out in terms of teams and their performance.
SK #1 team lose to BIG, meaning they go through who will just lose in the quarterfinals unless they draw F3/IMT.
Faze, the #2 team are out 0-3 in shocking form.
VP go 2-0, and are now 2-2 and face C9 in a decider match who look very solid. Gonna be a quiet stadium without VP if they don't make it.
Astralis, Gambit and North are all solid teams for the playoffs. Happy with those.
G2 #4 team playing vs Fnatic who have shown some promise recently in a decider match.
Then to top it all of, IMT vs F3 for the 8th spot when any of the other 4 teams left in the 2-2 bracket are much better.
I really hope that Astralis doesn't get put against SK in the quarterfinals with that 1/3 in chance otherwise who can stop them?
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u/antelope591 Jul 19 '17
Damn this match is crazy intense....and the stakes are so high for both teams. Never seen VP look this stressed
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u/stubbywoods clutch Jul 19 '17
Damn. Death by wrist shot. I find it weird a shot in the quads won't kill but shooting someone's hand will.
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
n0thing dry walks into ladder
Shroud lets pasha just walk out ivy and kill his awper for free
This is such basic stuff :(
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Jul 19 '17
n0thing won't check the most common angles in the game but he'll check that angle in case they triple pushed halls?
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u/Deviuz Jul 19 '17
clown fucking 9, no one covering the bomb plant, stewie not checking the bomb train.
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u/tgsan Jul 19 '17
Stewie rushing straight toward bomb Train...doesn't even glance at top of bomb Train..wow, wtf are they doing. Such an obvious spot to play. They deserve to lose with this pathetic T side, horrendous calls/lack of checking corners once again.
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u/Mr-Saxy Natus Vincere Jul 19 '17
Everyone saying that c9 had bad matchups you have to remember that this is a major, it's not a qualifier there are no real good matchups (except Vega)
all these teams fought out of qualifiers or from the last major to be here they are all better than most.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 19 '17
Immortal is like this team in mm where every player buys an awp as soon as they have money for one, regardless of how many awps are already in the hands of your mates :P
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u/rza_csgo Jul 19 '17
Two BR teams and zero NA teams in the playoffs... rip :/
But hats off to BR for having a great CS scene, i'll be pulling for your boys. Also i apologize on behalf of all the ignorant 12 year old Americans that spam hate and the ignorant "favela" bullshit.
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Jul 19 '17
I'm so upset. The tournament started 1 hour before it has been so I missed the first match. Why the sudden break in schedule consistency.
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Jul 19 '17
Fnatic will win against NaVi, Sk loses against Immortals, then fnatic vs sk in the elimination BO1, to fulfill the fnatic curse.
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u/ShAd_1337 Jul 19 '17
fuck these technical pauses!!! destroys the sweet momentum from my boys god dammit!!
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u/dixy48 Jul 19 '17
Just realized Immortals had a relatively hard road so far at the major
Astralis, SK and Na'Vi...
that's rough
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u/Clusterrr Jul 19 '17
Anders is by far the best play-by-play caster imo. Him and Semmler is definately my favorite casting-duo.
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u/Little_Muffins FaZe Jul 19 '17
I feel bad for these 6 teams, let alone F3 and IM. By the time they get to play it will be Friday for them lol
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u/cl_oud chroma Jul 19 '17
c9 had to play North, Vp, G2, BiG, and Mous. Not one easy match up. Unreal draws.
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u/AmassouH Jul 19 '17
Can I change my pickem real quick!?!? /s
I have a feeling Astralis is gonna get knocked out
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u/RoguishStranger 1 Million Celebration Jul 19 '17
This game is already a treat for AWP fans. That wall bang by chrisJ onto stew and that flick by Ska were sick.
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u/Inder_R1 Jul 19 '17
lmao Good support by Fans to both teams. Cloud fans - " My team sucks" Mouz Fans " Fuck this shit team"
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 19 '17
These rounds have one important caveat. If mouz won a round 2 rounds ago or so, they would be prone to a reset and C9 would still have a full buy. With close rounds like these, it can spiral out of C9's control after just 1 loss. I believe, tho.
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jul 19 '17
Auti is having an incredible game. Always gets 1 or 2 kills before going down.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 19 '17
n0thing needs to stop getting entried ASAP, one loss and it's a draw because of the money
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u/PhoeniX_s2z Natus Vincere Jul 19 '17
In every after plant, Mouz players just continually push and peak corners instead of holding angles with crossfires. Not even a Mouz fan but god damn that was frustrating to watch.
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u/ANAL_Devestate Jul 19 '17
ChrisJ was opening up site EVERY time vs n0thing - even on eco's... Really sad to watch such a promising team go the way they did :(
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u/FinnBiscuit181 MOUZ Jul 19 '17
With still a relatively newer lineup and ChrisJ being a new IGL mouse got beat by team experience in C9, GG. Exciting to see what a refined mouse will bring in the future.
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u/Deviuz Jul 19 '17
every time i see a 15-11 scoreline for c9 i get so nervous lol, it's like c9 fans are expecting the choke