r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jul 16 '17
Discussion | Esports North vs Cloud9 / PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Round 1 / Post-Match Discussion
North 0-1 Cloud9
Mirage: 12-16
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Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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MAP: Mirage
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| North | 7 | 5 | 12 |
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| C9 | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| North | K | A | D |
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| k0nfig | 29 | 2 | 20 |
| Magisk | 18 | 0 | 18 |
| cajunb | 16 | 3 | 19 |
| aizy | 13 | 2 | 18 |
| MSL | 10 | 2 | 19 |
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| n0thing | 26 | 4 | 16 |
| Skadoodle | 22 | 2 | 15 |
| Stewie2k | 18 | 6 | 22 |
| autimatic | 15 | 2 | 18 |
| shroud | 12 | 2 | 15 |
Map Detailed Stats
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u/fallenBAD MIBR Jul 16 '17
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 16 '17
He proved to me an NA player can stay on-site for an entire round
LMAO beautiful
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Jul 16 '17
"SK uninstalled OBS on his Krakow pc and he thinks it's bad fps"
ROFL, definitely the highest quality comment in a long time. Should be a post tbh
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u/bilbo965874 FaZe Jul 16 '17
How do you do these so quick ?
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u/fallenBAD MIBR Jul 16 '17
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u/Zashak Astralis Jul 16 '17
You are the best poster on this sub undisputed
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u/gonnj FaZe Jul 16 '17
probably on the entire reddit, so much effort
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u/c9IceCream 10 years coin Jul 16 '17
you haven't visited /r/highqualitygifs then. Those guys spend like 12 hours of work per gif
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u/howdybear Virtus.pro Jul 16 '17
Cloud9 lost both pistols too, very convincing from the Americans if you ask me
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u/GivePLZ-DoritosChip MIBR Jul 16 '17
I'm always here shitting on C9 due to their strats and slow reads but today they made me really happy. This is the C9 you want to see. Really rooting for them to make legends now. C9 from a couple of months ago would've lost this game 100% midway through.
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u/ThetaSigma11 Liquid Jul 16 '17
If you look at it this way, C9 won 16 buy rounds while North only won 6.
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Jul 16 '17
Because north never had an eco
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u/ThetaSigma11 Liquid Jul 16 '17
Never mind the 16 buy rounds for C9. I just meant that C9 won the majority of the buy rounds.
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u/n1co92 guardian Jul 16 '17
Skadoodle won C9 the game with that 1v5 4k he moneyfucked North so hard.
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u/TheMormonBishop Jul 16 '17
Watching stream: "12-14, let's go C9"
Checks reddit: "Oh sweet they won."
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jul 16 '17
Yeah this delay is the worst.
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Jul 16 '17 edited Sep 05 '17
deleted 0.9317 What is ^^^this?
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u/lmpervious Jul 16 '17
I'm guessing because they like to know they're not behind other streams, and that they don't have to wait to post until after their game is over before they get to post here. Also twitch chat can spoil the results.
Yeah I agree it's not a huge deal, but it's still annoying to me. I would rather everyone watch it at the same time.
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u/FamilyShoww HEROIC Jul 16 '17
You literally don't know there's a delay unless you check Reddit/Twitter.
Well maybe people, you know, want to read Twitter during the games? I like to read strategic input from the likes of YNK/lurppis during the games, but it has been impossible to check twitter during these games without seeing spoilers.
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u/Peanutslaver Jul 16 '17
Twitch chat?
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u/KonatsuSV Astralis Jul 16 '17
Twitch would say hltv confirmed no matter whether there's a delay or not actually, so it works out that way.
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u/Ontyyyy CS2 HYPE Jul 16 '17
This is just straight up stupid. What about the play-offs? The finals?
Should I just watch the game on some alt.stream because the main one is like 2 rounds behind??
GOTV has audio delay issues and the main stream is straight up minutes delay.
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Jul 16 '17 edited Sep 05 '17
deleted 0.5464 What is ^^^this?
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u/Cry6ix 400k Celebration Jul 16 '17
People in the chat spam in all caps "C9 WON" "12-16". You could turn off chat but that always takes away from the game for me personally.
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u/TheKingInNorth0 Jul 16 '17
Just watch the stream only and don't check the chat. Could bother you a little but it's better than being spoiled
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u/Cameter44 Jul 16 '17
I watched this one on GOTV, the audio delay for casters really isn't that bad. You can notice it here and there, but it's not awful.
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u/ShotIntoOrbit Jul 16 '17
"Clear the site before planting" isn't a phrase in C9's vocab.
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Jul 16 '17
Seriously, this would have been like a 16-9 or so if C9 had any clue of how to clear corners.
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u/BootyBootyFartFart Jul 16 '17
It seems like everytime they went b they just picked a spot to gamble not checking
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u/ImJLu ar_baggage Jul 16 '17
Having an AWPer with a strong rifle is an unbelieveably strong asset for C9.
Congrats to them.
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u/Cameter44 Jul 16 '17
I think Skadoodle's rifle play has been a really big part of his recent upswing in form.
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u/tgsan Jul 16 '17
To be fair Ska has been a good rifler for main awper for quite some time, even prior to his upswing, of course he's better now, but he was still good with it before, he just wasn't doing too great before the upswing.
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u/Cameter44 Jul 16 '17
I know he has. I was just saying that he's been having a lot of impact with rifles lately and I think that's helped him as an AWPer and overall player as well. Maybe it's a confidence thing.
I've always brought up his ability with rifles in his defense even when he was at his worst. I think it's important for C9 too, it gives them the option to be even more explosive with him on a rifle as well. Makes them extra dangerous on low-money buy rounds. He's a really good fit for C9 in that regard.
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u/da_fishy Jul 16 '17
I think while he was in his slump, his ak was almost better than his awp lul
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u/ConnorK5 Jul 16 '17
Good lord I watched Stewie make some bad mistakes, but I'm glad they won.
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u/Zoidburger_ bloodhound Jul 16 '17
He was whiffing his sprays so hard today good lord. I think the pressure might have gotten to him a bit, but he pulled through at times.
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u/ConnorK5 Jul 16 '17
His sprays and one thing that is just annoying to see as a spectator but we've all done it is when he ran through B aps with his knife out as the entry man and got mowed down by an UMP. That just hurt to watch.
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u/Denotsyek Jul 16 '17
Some of his ct round rotates bugged me. Thankfully n0thing was able to step up.
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u/manofmonkey Jul 16 '17
He looked like he was getting into the game as the game was coming to the end. Started hitting shots and looked like he was ready to make big plays.
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u/GuttersnipeTV cs_office Jul 16 '17
Auti was making some harsh ones too. Ska/Shroud/n0thing were trade killing like fucking robots that do not mess up.
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u/SneakyPanda7 Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
Man what happened to Magisk, he was a top 5 player dropping 30 in a half vs VP just last Major
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u/ButteredGhost Jul 16 '17
I'm not sure of the reason why, but he's had a steady decline in performance ever since RUBINO left. Doesn't help that aizy hasn't panned out at all
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Jul 16 '17
He has REALLY dropped off... he was insane earlier, I thought he might be top 3, skillwise.
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u/OneandonlyDDAN Jul 16 '17
I thought he was gonna be the next big thing coming into this year, now he's so inconsistent and underwhelming
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u/BootyBootyFartFart Jul 16 '17
Prob a mix of dropping off and being on teams with less than great players that inflated his stats early. Still like him as a player. Super passionate.
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u/trotsky102 Jul 16 '17
It's not his fault entirely. I'd say it's mainly due to the fact that north with aizy has changed how the players play a lot. Rubino actually had a lot of impact on the way dig played. He and MSL would open space for konfig and magisk.
This also affected konfig who is playing entry less and 2nd awping more. Magisk has had to pick up supporting more and more often with aizy.
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u/AmChayChay MOUZ Jul 16 '17
ever since they got aizy hes been almost non-existent on north, weird to see such a huge dropoff from him
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Jul 16 '17
dont forget while he did drop 30+ in a half, VP came back and won that game. and i dont think magisk was ever considered a top 5 player to anyone.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
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n0thing and Ska really led the way well, excellent job after going 0-3 in both halves!
EDIT: forgot to mention that whoever did the veto for C9 was the MVP. Banning Cobble even though C9's Cache is a shitshow and I know they like Cobble was a blessing. North would've grabbed Cobble if it was left in; this way MSL characteristically steered away from Cache into C9's best map.
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u/tgsan Jul 16 '17
Lurppis (or someone else, I thought it was Tomi though) mentioned it before but he noticed an immediate improvement when valens was able to come to events with C9, lately at least.
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u/iSluff Jul 16 '17
considering north won both pistols c9 kinda rekt them
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u/tgsan Jul 16 '17
Not just that, C9 ignored those 3 spots and they lost the round due to said 3 spots, so it would've been worse if they had checked the obvious spots. Natu literally just mentioned it on stream too.
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u/buldieb 750k Celebration Jul 16 '17
Laggy servers = online play = C9 #1 world
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Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
First half:
In the pistol round Cajun B had the raid boss and North on T side rushed through mid to connector through to A, splitting the site so that the Cloud9 A players had to go to CT and apps to retake, which they could not. In the anti-force North continued to take mid-control quickly, but they took quite a long time to decide where to go so Cloud 9 were able to flank around and do a lot of damage and forced North down into B where a fair few players were already low. Magisk ended up winning a tight 1v1.
Cloud 9's general eco strategy was to try to delay the North players but not necessarily rush them while the other site players tried to flank around and sandwich North, but North learnt from their mistake and rushed A. On the 1st gun round North tried to rush mid quickly again but N0thing in connector got a triple and sprayed them down, with Cloud9 having a much more mid-heavy focus than they did on the pistol round with N0thing in connector and Autimatic on short/ladder room. While North could take mid but they weren't able to do anything with it as N0thing and Autimatic played passively and smoked them into chokeholds where they could just be strangled.
North tried to focus on mid-->B split to isolate Autimatic and the B player (Shroud/Skadoodle) but Autimatic was able to win the fights on short and help out the B players before they all died pretty much ruining the B push before any bomb plant could go down.
N0thing was just tearing them up as while he was playing in connector he could also rotate to A since North rarely pushed past the smokes into the connector to kill him allowing him to commit to one of the two without having to worry about being flanked. N0thing had 18 kills in the first 10 rounds just by manoeuvring about the connector, drifting to and from A.
North really lacked imagination, they had no proper executes but STILL tried to take a mid-heavy default that just never worked-Skadoodle would hold around CT/tri-box and help out N0thing and take them out early on in the mid "take" quickly. Later on in the half (around 7-4 6-4) North begun favouring A again and was able to put pressure on Skadoodle who was a bit exposed from two angles but then even when Cloud9 did lose the site then Shroud and Autimatic retook effectively.
To counter how Skadoodle was kind of getting squished in A by going onto A site to watch ramp/apps and letting Skadoodle focus more on connector from far away, but North rushed B and Stewie massively misplayed (played quietly this half) by taking too long to shoot and only got one from a sneaky position and so didn't hold the rush off long enough for the now more A-bound N0thing and Skadoodle to rotate.
Literally, the whole half North went mid, in the final round spitting A with 3 connectors 2 apps/ramp and spent ages setting up their nades but this time it actually worked in smoking off the rotators in jungle/CT.
END OF 1ST HALF: Cloud9 8-7 North
Cloud9 rushed B in their pistol but Magisk hid on the balcony and got a spicey quadrilateral and won North the pistol round. North had a 3-2 setup similar to Cloud 9 but where Aizy was a bit more flexible towards window than N0thing was, Konfig went between short/ladder room.
Similarly Cajun played a passive A setup as Ska did but he played in CT instead of tri-box as to not be vulnerable from connector. MSL would hold with him on A site proper to act as bait and take the entry fight, allowing Cajun to spray down the distracted Ts who are pushing out. MSLs role here is just to survive for as long as possible at the bomb-spot to drag the Ts out into the centre of the site so that Cajun is not impeded by smokes.
Cloud 9 on the gun round played a similar style to North in mid-heavy default, but I think Cloud 9 was a bit slower in their mid-take. Stewie carried on losing entry fights to the mid players but Cloud 9 kept flexible and only committed 2 players max to mid while keeping a few players around B and A so the mid players could always rotate through connector/short/underpass and form a push within 25 seconds or so. During the B take Cloud 9 would advance slowly setting off smokes and flashes to block the awp of Konfig (who would rotate to B after his initial mid position) and then get the entry on the close-holding player (often Magisk) essentially forcing Konfig out of the site or forcing him into aggression which got him killed. As it worked for a few rounds in a row Cloud9 really started to favour the B site and Shroud just acted as a lurker on A site not really doing much, but eventually Cloud9 want back to A doing an apps ramp split so MSL and Cajun couldn't refrag each other, but overall Cloud9 didn't commit to one site consistently unlike North as the half went on.
North and in particular Konfig went aggressive on mid at around 10-10 onward which would work in that it would drive them away from mid control since Konfig would generally win the fight but it drove them to the sites where North wasn't actually holding that well, and in reality if North funnelled them into mid instead and just held the sites with nades as Cloud9 did they'd have more luck. Konfig was playing superbly and he was just wasted gallivanting around on mid whilst his teammates lost the rounds on the sites. Anyway, this carried on for the rest of the game pretty much with Konfig getting the entry then Cloud9 rotating off mid and taking the site then holding it. Stewie was getting into good lurk positions too but his shots were just not hitting, while both A and B players (but especially A players) were just playing so badly, they were getting split apart by the duel-pushing by Cloud9 as well as the quick pop flashes and had no counter for it at all.
Final score Cloud 9 16-12 North
MOTM: Konfig
TY for gold is first time :)
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u/ButteredGhost Jul 16 '17
This is an excellent recap for people who can't watch the stream, thanks m8
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Jul 16 '17
Please. Can I ask you to not use gyazo. Such a high effort post and you use the by far worst file hosting service.
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u/LemmingAtTheCliff Astralis Jul 16 '17
Thanks! Didn't get to watch the whole game so this was excellent. Good job.
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u/phromac Jul 16 '17
Final score Cloud 16-12 North
Pretty sure it's cloud 9 not cloud 16-12
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u/sdub48 Jul 16 '17
The Skadoodle 4k really might have won them the game, even though he didn't win the round. The economic damage put North in a hole after they won the next round. Great work!
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u/TheDogstarLP Jul 16 '17
I really think it did. North were on force buys for majority of the rest of that game after.
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Jul 16 '17
Wow EU CS is so garbage wtf.
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u/Ninjasaki Gambit Jul 16 '17
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Jul 16 '17
I mean it's true. They haven't even made the finals in Cologne on their fucking home soil since 2015......
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u/bkdr22 Team Spirit Jul 16 '17
freekonfig
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u/OneandonlyDDAN Jul 16 '17
Feel bad for him, hes had beast performances recently but the rest of his team never shows up
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u/tgsan Jul 16 '17
Considering North went up 6-0 (both sides 3-0) this was such an absolute curbstomp. Would've been worse if C9 had actually checked those spots those 3 times, each time they lost the round due to that one spot.
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u/kerev123 Jul 16 '17
lmao we are so shit won both pistols still got shit on .Anyway what can you expect from a team that has 4 "star'' players and its only 1 showing up every game with cajun chiming in from time to time . I dont know what the fuck happened to magisk but he went from never losing duels to never winning such on ct and being garbage t player that never has any impact . I mean fuck he bought sg 3 rounds in a row and died without doing dmg even
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u/SunDragons Jul 16 '17
GG North. Konfig was a headache for sure this game. It's nice to see n0thing frag heavy though.
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u/HydraCam Complexity Jul 16 '17
k0nfig: im gonna fuck you up
rest of North: no
k0nfig: umm guys
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u/Johnnyferrori Jul 16 '17
If n0thing keeps playing like this, C9 can seriously go far this tournament.
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u/tgsan Jul 16 '17
The great thing about it is he didn't once (I don't think at least) die with a fucking nade in hand or out in the open.
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u/FamilyShoww HEROIC Jul 16 '17
Maybe it's time for MSL to leave the team. His individual performance level has gone back to terrible and North don't seem anywhere near as strategically sound as they once did.
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u/Scrypto Liquid Jul 16 '17
I swear to god he lost every single 1v1 even with peaker's advantage. Reaction time just isn't there.
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u/its_JustColin guardian Jul 16 '17
Theres hardly any peeker advantage on LAN. Its much much more pronounced online.
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Jul 16 '17
I dont know what exactly holds North from kicking aizy at the end of the Major...
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u/MJuniorDC9 Jul 16 '17
I hope nothing holds them and Aizy go to Dignitas or whatever team accepts him. But in this game especially Aizy even had one or two good rounds but MSL was really bad, even for the standards that we expect from him.
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u/Tugiovic Jul 16 '17
Poor k0nfig. Probably top 2 Danish player and always so consistant even when his team just isn't doing very well.
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u/Cameter44 Jul 16 '17
Wow, what a sick game. So many intense rounds. Wish Ska could've won that 1v5 but the four kills he got ended up being super important for the economy game all the way through.
16-12 considering C9 lost both pistols is really good.
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u/cd00 Jul 16 '17
Always nice to see North lose. Hopefully MSL and/or k0nfig rant on twitter about low FPS or something FeelsGoodMan
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u/FamilyShoww HEROIC Jul 16 '17
Actually Stewie is the one who has already complained about the server, but nice try.
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u/RLaniado24 750k Celebration Jul 16 '17
Just so many highlight plays in this match, really entertaining game to watch.
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u/MJuniorDC9 Jul 16 '17
I'm not even surprised, let's see what happens in the qualifiers of the next major and if North manages to get out of there, because playing loose like this I have my doubts.
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u/Alllius de_cache Jul 16 '17
Someone please save k0nfig, he deserves so much more than this shit
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u/niofalpha Team SoloMid Fan Jul 16 '17
Hopefully they don't get one of the legends. Best case scenario they get a joke team like Big.
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u/Aldebaroth NiP Jul 16 '17
I honestly thought that DDK's and specially Bardolph's casting were really lacking, there were some crucial plays and clutches in important rounds that they were just casually saying what was happening.
One of the later rounds k0nfig was in a 1v3 and he killed 2 in a row bringing the round back and Bardolph said something like "and there it is".
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u/Learning25 victory Jul 16 '17
So really the only way to watch the twitch stream without getting spoiled results is to just not watch with chat?
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u/_hallis Jul 16 '17
losing both pistols and still winning (even without winning an eco). C9's mentality these past few tourneys has been incredible, even in cologne going from being 0-2 down to reaching the final. Impressive.
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u/UsernameReIevant FURIA Jul 16 '17
I hate that magisk didn't do much with the SG , i really want the SG meta to catch on
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Jul 16 '17
pretty impressive considering they lost both pistols. i would say c9 probably one of the best in world on mirage
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u/Mcnessyj Jul 16 '17
Both pistols for North, so great job by Cloud9 pulling in all those gun rounds.
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u/xMatheush Virtus.pro Jul 16 '17
imagine if pgl made camera for both teams in the upper screen when the game is almost over. Would be nice to see both team's reaction
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u/NBallersA Liquid Jul 16 '17
"Hey Cloud9 you're not a top 5 team"
"uwot m8?"
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u/thetruethatguy Liquid Jul 16 '17
PGL Krakow Grand Finals: SK gaming 1-1 Cloud 9 in game 3
Cloud 9 wins the match point in overtime 22-19
Reddit thread: "Wow Looks Like SK is a Tier 2 team now guys"
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u/katalysis Jul 16 '17
I'm usually very critical of C9, being a fan, but I'm quite pleased with their team performance and post-game interview. Both show they're working on the right things.
Pulling out the win despite losing both pistol rounds.
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u/aronsld Jul 16 '17
!viewers
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League of Legends E-Sports value at 2017-07-16 21:26 CET
Viewers: 482.946
Hello Counter Strike :D
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Jul 16 '17
North never had map control as CT. Resulting in them getting picked off every single time they had to rotate. They lost so much money and so many rounds because of this. They just didn't go for info plays. Or challenge map control in mid.
Were they even ever in palace on CT? I mean just once?
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u/xtrmx de_inferno Jul 17 '17
I think it's time for North to beg Rubino to come back, they look so unbalanced right now. Replacing him/leaving + stanislaws teamswitch must be the two worst changes in CS:GO.
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u/BydandMathias Jul 17 '17
Real lynchpin for c9 during T side was Stewie's connector control. He buttfucked North at least twice with their limp dick mid control.
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u/Hardyyz ENCE Jul 17 '17
I would die happy knowing Jordan and the boys won something MAJOR during their career! If all the stars align this might be it!
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u/JehBa Liquid Jul 17 '17
Why were North playin middle on T - side so poorly. either too slow or they headless rushed connector. ez for C9
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u/naRnaR1337 CS2 HYPE Jul 16 '17
It isn't your regular C9 game unless you have some heart attacks to go with it.
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u/iErebos Jul 16 '17
ez 4 North American multigaming organization cl(utch)oud9 hosting the North American counter-strike: global offensive roster from the United States and Canada who won "esl pro league season 4 finals" consisting of the 1.6 mad fragger jordan "dancing queen" gilbert, pug god mike "that's going on reddit" grzesiek, NAs yungest jake "stop pushing the smokes" yip, the NA turret tyler "there were no skins to trace" latham, and all around star and support timothy "online piece of Asian shit" ta
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u/gyang333 FaZe Jul 16 '17
Skadoodle getting the 4K (2 no scope) despite losing that round, did so much damage to North on round 23 (?) that he basically secured C9 the map win.
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Jul 16 '17
EASY FOR JORDAN "1.6 LEGEND" GILBERT, MIKE "REDDIT SHRIMP" GRZESIEK, TIMOTHY "ONLINE PIECE OF ASIAN SHIT" TA, JAKE "FUCK YOUR SMOKES" YIP, AND TYLER "WHAT'S A SKIN" LATHAM!
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u/realtalkman420 howl Jul 16 '17
Yup North most overrated team in the tournament. BotSL reporting for duty.
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u/MJuniorDC9 Jul 16 '17
If you rate North anything good you're overrating them. I wish it wasn't like this but it is.
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u/ThetaSigma11 Liquid Jul 16 '17
C9 SUMMER STILL HERE
Also: Just wanted to add that while the score is 16-12, C9 lost both pistols but won 16 full buy rounds while North only won 6.
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u/deevysteeze Liquid Jul 16 '17
Watch C9 go 2-0 in swiss format, just to go out 2-3 after... LOL, I hope not but thatd be the most C9 thing ever
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u/DaakGogi Liquid Jul 16 '17
Man if Yung Stew and shroud gets back on form with n0thing and ska performing as well as they are...NA finals run incoming bois !
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u/psych4191 Jul 16 '17
Stew was just a little unlucky this game. Didn't have any bad rounds. Just timings and unpredictable things happened.
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u/prsTgs_Chaos clutch Jul 16 '17
I like the win but I think they were playing a little lazy in the second half. Not checking shit left and right. The Ska 4k round, shroud just came out palace and never looked at firebox (cuz, you know, nobody ever plays there...). There were a few B rounds too. Pushing through apps without checking corners on the right, planting without clearing back site near bench and getting 3Ked, Auti peeking market window while fully exposed to bench on his right. Just got to tighten up a little bit but overall they look a lot more patient than they have in the past and need to stick to that throughout the game.
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u/HHeLiBeBCNOFNeNaMg Jul 16 '17
North: Skadoodle is A ramp lets go kill him
Skadoodle: no
North: Understandable have a nice day