r/GlobalOffensive • u/n1co92 guardian • Jul 19 '17
Discussion Mousesports vs Cloud9 / PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Round 4 / Post-Match Discussion
Matchlink: https://www.hltv.org/matches/2312384/mousesports-vs-cloud9-pgl-major-krakow-2*017
Mousesports have been eliminated.
Cloud9 is now 2:2
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u/stere CS2 HYPE Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
7th time chrisJ went out in groups now..FeelsBadMan
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u/Ontyyyy CS2 HYPE Jul 19 '17
They are making it next major if they stick with this lineup, no doubt..
They've been improving a lot lately, their problem still seem to be the high pressure rounds, not to mention they don't really have a home map, by the looks of it they are playing to anti-strat and it doesn't matter if its opponents best map or not.
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Jul 19 '17
Skadoodle: I don't want to go out in groups again Stewie: OK
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u/seimonator Jul 19 '17
They'll probably get G2 or Astralis in the next round and they wont make it past them.
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u/iSluff Jul 19 '17
Already drew g2, so if you're a c9 fan time to root for astralis against them.
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u/Shizrah Astralis Jul 19 '17
If you're an Astralis fan (flair might check out) this is pretty good news in my opinion.
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u/Stupendoes Jul 19 '17
And for VP/SK. This guarantees C9 can only play F3, IMT, Penta Navi or Fnatic. All 5 are winnable games.
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u/sachaud Jul 19 '17
Can't get G2 because they already played them. They have beat Astralis before so I feel like they will have a fighting chance.
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u/chelster1003 Jul 19 '17
Wait. You've seen the Major Qualifier and Cologne, right? You saw BIG beating SK yesterday? If you did, I don't understand how you can be so sure C9 won't make it. If one thing became crystal clear in the last few weeks, it's that - especially in a BO1 - those things are not as clear cut as you make it sound. Am I wrong?
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u/Ontyyyy CS2 HYPE Jul 19 '17
Thats on mouz...You had so many 2v1s and you gave them away by being agressive and making it a 1v1.
Mouz were ONE ROUND WIN away from breaking C9's economy almost the entire 2nd half.
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u/DannyKII MOUZ Jul 19 '17
Just like they were one kill away from beating North. It's often small things but mouz manage to constantly shit the bed in the important and deciding rounds.
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u/Grec2k Jul 19 '17
Ropz and Lowell as good as they are, are lacking experience and you could see that in this match. Time and experience will fix that and mouz will come back stronger.
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u/BombCerise Complexity Jul 19 '17
Imo Ropz and Lowell weren't the problem at all. Ropz had ~85 adr for basically the last 2/3 of the game, and Lowell had his moments in outer CT side and such. For me the weak link was Oskar, he certainly wasn't close to as lethal as you'd expect. Although I agree Lowell lacks the refinement that comes from experience, Ropz seems like he's got it down to me.
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u/Ontyyyy CS2 HYPE Jul 19 '17
What I dont understand.. They went A like 6 times in a row and not once did they try B which was held by single guy up until the last 2 rounds.
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u/steelCorridor Jul 19 '17
both pistol rounds lost? ez
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u/kingroudel BIG Jul 19 '17
mouz pretty much lost every 1v1 and oskar not showing up didn't help
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u/phavela cs_italy Jul 19 '17
No one on Mouz showed up.
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u/kingroudel BIG Jul 19 '17
Denis and Chris did their job but Oscar is the guy you want to see on top of the scoreboard. He missed some pretty easy and important shots.
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u/GivePLZ-DoritosChip MIBR Jul 19 '17
Rushing the sites didn't help either, I could've sworn team logos were swapped today. C9 playing methodical with tactical pushes, great holds and Mouz just rushing sites.
90% rounds Chris J rushes site, gets a kill then dies. What did you achieve? Did you not think about taking someone with you after the first 5 times? If not that then the whole team rushes and dies never expecting a flank or failing to check basic corners.
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u/kingroudel BIG Jul 19 '17
you achieve the 4v4 which is an advatage for the Ts? Chris caused so much trouble on the A site but none of the mouz players managed to follow up on it
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 19 '17
I appreciate his effort. He created panic in C9 and usually got a kill (on n0thing). That's a 4v4 which is good for the T side, it forces C9 to spend utility and sacrifice a good hold on one site.
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u/beninho106 MOUZ Jul 19 '17
hello darkness my old friend... we're going out in groups again ;-;
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u/jpark170 chroma Jul 19 '17
Well, at least it was much better of an exit compared to last major. Mouz fought very formidable opponents (maybe except for Faze with their current form) and most games were close.
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u/JamieTheElite Jul 19 '17
Skadoodle gets so many clutches and I personally love watching it
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u/CivilMannequin Liquid Jul 19 '17
Anymore when I see ska in a 1v2 I'm like "eh, 60% chance he wins this".
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u/s4Nn1Ng0r0shi fnatic Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
Comparing to denis, who was the last player alive for mouz in the crucial rounds, I don't remember a single clutch play from him :/
Edit: typo
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u/Ishaan863 FaZe Jul 19 '17
if you ever wanna explain to someone how you could bottom frag but have a giant impact on the outcome of a game, show them this match. Ska was in many situations where him fucking up could've cost C9 enormously.
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u/C-4 Natus Vincere Jul 19 '17
Everyone sleeping? This thread came like two minutes after the game lmao
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u/BestLeonaNigeria MOUZ Jul 19 '17
i overslept the game and im glad i did that as i see this thread
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Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
CSGO: Pistol rounds give your team an economy boost, and a very likely head start in a match. They are crucial rounds.
Cloud9: no lol
CSGO: Understandable. Have a nice day
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u/I_Am_Abominati0n Jul 19 '17
But as soon as we win a pistol... Well, fuck.
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u/Boplek Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
The team cloud 9 faces tomorrow should just throw the pistol round so they can be assured of a win
edit: today not tomorrow im a dumbass
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u/fallenBAD MIBR Jul 19 '17
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u/Cameter44 Jul 19 '17
n0thing had a different feel to him in that interview compared to his normal ones. He wasn't his usual happy, upbeat self but seemed still very focused, unsatisfied, and like he still had work to do. That's good.
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Jul 19 '17
What a match. Timmy carried with stew putting up in the 2nd half.
Cheers mouse i wanted you guys to go too and probably wouldve rooted for you if you beat us. chrisj was really fun to watch. gl
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u/da_fishy Jul 19 '17
True that, tough to see these teams play each other in elimination. Mouz will always be my favorite EU underdog.
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Jul 19 '17
autimatic's CT side multi-frags are some of the best in the world. only people I can think of off the top of my head who are better at it would be cold and rain.
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u/indrius9 Jul 19 '17
Yeah Autimatic's playstyle reminds me a lot of rain actually, both are stellar at those rifle holds on CT, and getting more than they should from their situations.
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u/SpeedyBlueDude NiP Jul 19 '17
Seeing Mousesports lose every clutch situation that second half tilted me to hell.
Fuck choke from Oskar, and all of mousesports really.
Ropz did well for his first major.
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u/skapoochi Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
Ropz did well for his first major.
xD??? he wasnt atrocious, but he didnt do anything close to "well" either
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Jul 19 '17
Perfect. this sets up the IMT draw in the 2-2 match and the ez loss and elimination.
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u/dood1337 Jul 19 '17
C9 I hate you so much, I stayed up to relax and watch your game and you do this 1v1 clutch shit every round again...
Also it's so sad to see mouz go out when PENTA/Flipsid3 are playing on the other side of the bracket, both arguably weaker teams than both C9 and mouz.
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Jul 19 '17
Flipside already played Fnatic Faze and Navi so they definitely have not had an easy road. Everybody will get an easy match eventually.
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u/Lupin123 EG Jul 19 '17
Automatic feels like the Tim Duncan of c9 ATM. He doesn't always make those huge stewie esque plays but he's always where he needs to be and does his job
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 19 '17
Lackluster T side Train, excellent comebacks on CT side Train? Who is this team and what have they done with C9?
C9 did a great job coming back from 4v5 every single round n0thing got entried. The match was close as fuck, I'm ready to forget that G2 got lucky.
Big props to mouz's coach. Dude obviously puts in a lot of work and C9 were getting read like a book on T side. Sad to see mouz go, I think they were top 8-worthy.
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u/mysalt123 Jul 19 '17
It was worth staying up all night to see one of the most intense c9 games this tournament
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u/IcyIcecloud Jul 19 '17
This game was definitely a sleep and set an alarm at 4 game. cloud9 still have another game today right?
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u/samcuu HEROIC Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
It was closer than it look tbh. C9 won 8 rounds straight to match point, but if they had lost any of those they would have had to eco if they wanted a full buy. Almost every round ended with one or two players survived.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 19 '17
At around 12:11, C9 had a full buy available and heavy reset potential. After that, with all the 1v1s, C9 definitely would have been insta-reset or would have had a shitty buy. Definitely closer than your average 16:11.
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u/cupcee Jul 19 '17
Cloud9 must have broken a record for most clutches won in a half, that CT side must have been really frustrating for Mouz to play against
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Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
i could write a motherfucking mahabharata part 2 on oskar and lowel's mistakes during this match and I'd not yet be finished.
some of the plays they make are so braindead that I can't possibly ATTEMPT to defend them and then anders and semmler chime in with the "what a good play by lowel though" ignoring the denis 3k entry and I don't think I can get saltier.
genuinely go back and rewatch lowel. every time he gets a ct kill he'll FREEZE in place. he won't even strafe. he won't relocate until a LONG amount of time has passed. he'll literally stand there stood still staring at the terrorists and much to the chagrin of c9 they noticed it after like two instances and just dry peeked the exact location where he got that frag and killed the petrified CT.
oskar didnt even look the right way half the game.
denis should never topfrag 75% of your games in a major.
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u/gorbatsh0ve Jul 19 '17
loWel crumbled under pressure yesterday as well. I actually think mouz is one of the teams that would benefit most from a psychologist (not poking fun at them, I really mean it).
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u/DannyKII MOUZ Jul 19 '17
Those last two rounds on B plat from lowel :/ I feel bad for him, he must feel like shit.
A psychologist is certainly something they should think about.2
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u/Gockel BIG Jul 19 '17
denis should never topfrag 75% of your games in a major.
why are you doubting /r/the_denis ???
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u/ptreecs Jul 19 '17
Anyone that feels like c9 got cheated this tournament by losing that ot to g2 should watch this game
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u/ohrelapze Jul 19 '17
📞 HELLO EU? 📞 NA HERE 📞 WHY SO QUIET? 📞
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u/LeLuckyMaxxer Jul 19 '17
Watching autimatic is mildly infuriating. Whiffs so much T side then goes godimatic CT side.
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u/Charlzalan Liquid Jul 19 '17
Living in Japan, this is the first time C9 has played at a reasonable hour, and I only catch the last two rounds after rushing home from work. =(
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u/aouterieyo Jul 19 '17
When you get an A+ on the group project but did n0thing
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u/ChefVlad Jul 19 '17
To be fair, he was dicking mouz down in ladder for at least 4-5 rounds on CT. I specifically remember ropz being on the losing side of those 1v1's 2-3 times
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Jul 19 '17
As soon as Cloud 9 lost the first pistol round i knew that they would win. I was definitely not stressed out the whole game.
GG mouz
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u/da_fishy Jul 19 '17
Skadoodle has been playing out of his mind lately. Regardless of what happens this major, I think the calls to replace ska have been silenced.
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u/ChildishForLife de_dust2 Jul 19 '17
Autimatic is hitting unreal levels for this being his first major.
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Jul 19 '17
please use http://lightbinding.net/
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u/n1co92 guardian Jul 19 '17
Would have loved to use it, but I don't have the password.
I didn't rush to post the discussion thread either, but after 2minutes I did it because there wasn't one before.
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u/wickedplayer494 1 Million Celebration Jul 19 '17
It's walled off by a password (which wasn't always the case). It's not gonna happen.
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u/snake-doc Jul 19 '17
Lowel and Oskar shitting the bed again. Mouz needs some more firepower and a smarter player. I hope they pick up mixwell.
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u/cs204923842 Jul 19 '17
oskar was an integral part to their recent success. Seemed like nerves got to him. He should take this as a learning experience, since he is one of the best players/awpers when he is playing like himself. If anything, mixwell arguably played worse than both of them in the qualifier, but like oskar and lowel, he normally plays much better.
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u/Millzy312 de_inferno Jul 19 '17
Plz just give us Penta so we can make Legends until Penta does a Big and beat us on a map we should have vetoed
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u/megapull Jul 19 '17
Seriously, RIP pick'ems.... to the ground, baby. Cant tell why I hate C9 so much but it was a good game from them.
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u/Synthetically_Bets guardian Jul 19 '17
Never make a match post again if you're going to make it shit.
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Jul 19 '17
This has to be one of the most deserved loses of this major so far, constantly throwing your advantages in after plant situations. You do not lose almost every t-side clutch, when you are not playing them absolut terrible. I dont even know what they were trying to do in the end, wtf..
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u/DannyKII MOUZ Jul 19 '17
I can't take this anymore.
Now I'll just hope BIG can atleast do something in the knockout games.
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u/chaosPudding123 BIG Jul 19 '17
Can mouse please stop pushing without any information after the bomb went down? They lost so many round rounds because of this.
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u/iSluff Jul 19 '17
chrisj has now matched skadoodle's record of 0-7 in group stages. of course if cloud9 loses later skadoodle will still pass him, so this is a good competition to be following
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u/phlumpy Jul 19 '17
When autimatic is the best player on server, c9 has a big chance to win. This has been the case for a while. Ska and stewie with great impact tho, so they definitely helped.
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u/tarangk clutch Jul 19 '17
jeus those last 5-6 rounds so many clutches c9 won and mouz so poor in those after plants
c9 owe Tim a drink and hooker hell even deserves the podrick treatment from GoT
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jul 19 '17
I wonder what C9 would do without Autimatic doing what he does every game....scares me
Also notice how unpredictable Stew is. Usually he throws a smoke, walks out and baits out a player but now he just did completely the opposite.
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Jul 19 '17
Damn this sucks cos i was rooting for both teams before now tbh, glad c9 came out on top though.
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Jul 19 '17
Great clutches from C9 in this game. GG mousesports, you played well.
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u/LordNelson27 Parivision Jul 19 '17
Mouz on full tilt at the end. That's sad to see. Getting knocked out losing 8 in a row must be heartbreaking
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u/Kioen King NiKo Jul 19 '17
In Mouz's credit, they put up a good fight against c9's CT side. Which if we go by the numbers on the most recent events, c9's CT Train is quite good, having perfect games/rounds on it.
Really bad afterplant positioning from Mouz though.
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u/Teronomik MOUZ Jul 19 '17
Mouz lost literally everyone Clutch... This could have beem a totally different story otherwise. GGs
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u/StopsTalkingMidSente Jul 19 '17
so many 1v1s, but c9 lost both pistols and still won so gotta give it to c9, better cs today
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u/MakingYouMad Astralis Jul 19 '17
C9 won so many clutches in the second half, they were constantly one round from their economy being broken. Well played.
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u/Hegarz Jul 19 '17
Thought this started an hour later, so ended up trying to use all my data watching it on the train to work. Turned it on at 11-8, CS is Ez
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u/dukeyNRW BIG Jul 19 '17
lowel makes mistakes you should make in those kind of games. luckily he is young and talented so he will learn from it.
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u/aaaa322 Jul 19 '17
autimatic carried but it was a strong effort on CT side. n0thing was invisible the whole map
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u/vorpal107 FaZe Jul 19 '17
He did bits and bobs. He saved one round where it was 4v5 and he just went in and picked up 2 frags
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u/_Cresc3nt Jul 19 '17
ChrisJ dunking on N0thing almost every time in the later part of the second half. Mouse just couldn't close out the rounds, well played by them. Lets hope our bois become legends this time.
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u/Pytte_ Jul 19 '17
I feel like the pressure was really getting to oskar or something he was missing shots he should be hitting 9/10 times
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u/Ahhorse Liquid Jul 19 '17
As a C9 Fan, I just wanna tell mous, chris's entries were insane. To bad tim was just in god mode.
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u/ptbl Liquid Jul 19 '17
It felt like Mouz lost every single clutch round. Maybe nerves got to them because they were missing a lot of easy shots especially oskar.
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u/Dexelele King NiKo Jul 19 '17
It's not like mousesports played bad. Cloud9 did pretty much EVERYTHING right. Mousesports read an aggression from c9 on b and throw a flash to punish that? One guy doesn't get blinded and ruins that. So unlucky in so many ways. Rip
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u/blinusk Vitality Jul 19 '17
Freaking hell, so many 1v1's lost by mouse with a single bullet short of winning the round. Happened against North as well. I feel mouse was immensely unlucky this tourney. In a parallel universe, they are 2-1 or even 3-0 right now. Certainly much to look forward to in the rest of the year.
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u/nedmanrules Falcons Jul 19 '17
I think C9 has played too much CS in the last few weeks. Like the entire T side train, which for a while was tier 1 was all predicted and I think it's due to all the tournaments they've played recently on the roadtrip and since c9 isn't doing anything new teams have the playbook against it. Tactically we were outplayed, but thanks to amazing individual effort and aim, we pulled through in most clutch situations. But in CS, if you're predictable, unless you have Coldzera, it's gonna be tough to win.
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u/WeRiseWeFall Renegades Jul 19 '17
N0thing with a beard could punch me in the face and I'd be happy with it.
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u/cs204923842 Jul 19 '17
That was like the most stressful game ever, 11-16 doesn't tell half the story.
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u/Braveheart01815 King NiKo Jul 19 '17
That Match... And Semmlers casting
What a Double punishment for mouz fans
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u/Boplek Jul 19 '17
It must blow for mouse, so many clutches that could've gone their way and we'd be seeing a whole different scoreline
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u/rlsN MOUZ Jul 19 '17
this one hurts. Plenty of opportunities to win this but it felt like nearly every clutch went in favor of C9. They were the cooler team today I guess and deserved to win.
mouz has to keep working on this. Especially oskar looks out of it once he misses a few shots.
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u/zoNeCS 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
Lowel seem to be a master at making mistakes in crucial rounds. The amount of clutch rounds lost is just way too much.
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u/acequake91 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
Praying that they draw Penta/F3 or Navi. Please, just NOT fucking VP or astralis. I want Ska to have a happy ending.
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u/Johnny-L de_cache Jul 19 '17
It feels like mouz had to pay for cloud9 losing all those clutches against g2 yesterday....
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u/Haenkie Jul 19 '17
Mousesports got really unlucky against North yesterday but today they can only blame themselves. Many mistakes in the clutches and not reaching the level they played at yesterday.
Cloud9 played those afterplants very patient, either waiting for mouz to overpeek or overwelm them with a number advantage. The default rounds setups weren't that great, but you don't win games with those apparently.
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u/Cameter44 Jul 19 '17
C9 has won just one pistol round in four maps where they haven't lost the second round. It was in the second half against BIG. They lost the second round after winning pistol against BIG in the first half and against G2 in the first half. So they're 3/8 on pistol rounds and 1/3 on second rounds after winning them. That means they're due for a couple 3-0 starts to half in their last group stage match, right?
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u/made3 BIG Jul 19 '17
Match was really close, there were a few rounds that ended in a 1v1. If mouz would have won these they might have won the match. So a close match in the end.
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u/GrippyT Jul 19 '17
Autimatic's CT hold on A was just absurd. I think every time Mouz went A, he got a multikill. Dude's a beast.
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u/sachaud Jul 19 '17
They beat them at the ECS finals about a month ago which is a pretty big tournament.
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Jul 19 '17
For me Lowel just isnt good enough, in this iteration of roster, mouz should do whatewer to bring valde, he is free and is likely he would joint if he got right offer. Team is missing 3rd star. Oskar and Ropz both played not well enough in this major, but its their first major, so you can excuse them. Lowel is playing for quite a long time in mouz and is quite stable, but that is maybe his downfall as he cant put big numbers when needed. He is always behind Chris and denis which are entries and still cant get much better score than them
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u/ZedPupps NiP Jul 19 '17
It makes me sad to see mouz eliminated but I do think that cloud9 have the higher chance of doing well and getting to the playoffs
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u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team Jul 19 '17
wait... you're not /u/chuckys2