r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jul 17 '17
Discussion | Esports Virtus.pro vs Fnatic / PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion
Virtus.pro 1-0 Fnatic
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Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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| VP | 12 | 4 | 16 |
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| FNC | 3 | 8 | 11 |
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| byali | 25 | 5 | 15 |
| pashaBiceps | 25 | 2 | 18 |
| NEO | 24 | 5 | 14 |
| TaZ | 18 | 6 | 19 |
| Snax | 15 | 1 | 16 |
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| dennis | 23 | 4 | 22 |
| JW | 18 | 2 | 23 |
| olofmeister | 16 | 7 | 21 |
| flusha | 14 | 3 | 20 |
| KRiMZ | 11 | 2 | 21 |
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Jul 17 '17
olof peeking pasha by door with the AWP in the first half was fucking hilarious. Legit a 30 second peek.
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u/hectictw Jul 17 '17
olof looks so clueless recently. I don't know what it is, but it's like he has completely lost his gamesense.
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u/tarel69 CS2 HYPE Jul 17 '17
his pov was looking at quad not nbk he thought pasha moved iirc from the replays and his aim line
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u/KronoS275 Jul 17 '17
You can say what you want about VP but it's impressive af how they always turn up for the majors.
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u/cyberbemon Jul 17 '17
And on a map they rarely play. Great CT side, but the T side was questionable. Some poor comms, not covering each other etc.
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u/Rift3N Jul 17 '17
It was pretty painful to watch them lose the round because krimz killed the planter while pasha was just chilling behind quad :(
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u/cyberbemon Jul 17 '17
Yeah, they could have won that round and closed off the game much faster. Few rounds where VP played carelessly
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THE BOYS
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u/cyberbemon Jul 17 '17
MY PICKEM IS SAFE! for now
also, pasha playing out of his mind, was a beast with the AWP on CT.
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u/OldBenX ENCE Jul 17 '17
...what is this feeling?
Is it... hope?
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u/safetogoalone Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
VP fans resolve is tested...
VP fans are courageous
There is no virtue in DD that have something with hope
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u/OldBenX ENCE Jul 17 '17
After last 3 months, Stalwart would probably be more fitting.
Many fall in the face of slump... but not this one! Not today!
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u/control_09 EG Jul 18 '17
Byali is showing up. That's a very good sign to win the whole thing.
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u/Cepheid Virtus.pro Jul 18 '17
As someone who only follows majors.
I never had any doubts.
Let us join hands my friend.
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u/Spyzzie Jul 17 '17
VP have been playing us all along guys..
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u/C-4 Natus Vincere Jul 17 '17
They been playing like trash to throw everyone off for the major. THE PLOW IS COMING BOIS
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u/i_wave_to_koalas NiP Jul 17 '17
VP are the masters of fake playing bad for months to get the element of surprise. They can fake play bad better than bad teams just playing bad.
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u/Nonspecal Jul 17 '17
I know you're joking but this is a theory I can get behind. It felt like they were so devasted after the loss vs Astralis in the final of the last major, maybe they really REALLY wanted to win this one. So they lay low, play like shit purposely the months leading up to this major - that way they're really under the radar and the top teams will not be prepared for them in the playoffs. The top contenders don't really have any demos to watch of VP as preparation, nor do they feel like it's even necessary to as no one sees them as a "threat" to take home the trophy.
And yes, my tinfoil hat is on.
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u/swegmeister1738 Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
I seriously think they hid most of their strats at Cologne just for this major. Taz even said in an interview that Cobble smoke B-site strat was only a taste of what they got store, but they "didn't have a chance to show all their strats" because they got knocked out so early. I have a great feeling they're gonna go deep in this tourney even if it sounds like I'm crazy right now thinking their shit play was to throw us off.
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u/tarel69 CS2 HYPE Jul 17 '17
these new strats especially nuke.. not once did they toss anything into rafters for the slow play.
glad someone else said it.
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You're missing the masterbating Byali GIF
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u/Dcoyxy9 Jul 17 '17
I didn't see that one. :(
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u/revoluti0n_ King NiKo Jul 17 '17 edited Jul 17 '17
Fnatic and dry-peeking, Name a more iconic duo.
Edit: peaking to peeking
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ldlc? fucking dated meme man
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u/XvS_W4rri0r King NiKo Jul 17 '17
Can someone please explain to me what the fuck Fnatic do for practice? Holy shit their T side is so fucking embarrassing. This team HAS to get an IGL.
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Jul 17 '17 edited Jul 18 '17
First half
Fnatic lost the first anti-eco after a bad smoke to cover up Snax on forklift allowed for the fork-NBK crossfire, then Taz rotated up to the truck to form a triangle of death with Fnatic stuck in the middle unable to get onto the bombspot to plant as thye had already used up all their nades in the initial take.
VP won their anti-eco and so at the first buy round, it was 3-1 to VP. VP pushed super far up mid with Neo and Taz, and so when Fnatic tried to split through boost and garage door to push into mid VP were able to anticipate it and smoke Garage, meaning Dennis had no backup when he pushed through boost and the garage players Dennis + Krimz were blind. Olof and Flusha tried to convene on mid to refrag their teammates but by then Byali and Pasha pushed through and flanked them around T spawn, although Olof did kill Pasha. Fnatic was yet again reset and forced to eco.
Fnatic tried again to do an A take but this time they smoked off Pasha on the awp in quad (and any potential site player) and rushed through forklift, killing the guy there, with the intention of wrapping around onto the site while one other guy pushed through the site/quad smoke to pinch Pasha. This did not work, however, as Pasha peeked instead of hiding behind quad with the awp and delayed the wrap-around, allowing Snax to rotate to car when Fnatic were still caught out in the open. Eventually Fnatic did hit some nice shots and Krimz ended up winning a tense 1v1 against Taz, however the mistake had still been made (of not smoking off Snax or Pasha) and the economic damage had been done. One round win later of a similar setup where Fnatic pushed Pasha who then fell back around the back of the site crate and got a bunch of kills while Taz was, as he had a lot in the match so far, rotating quickly around from B to truck and reset Fnatic for the third time in 9 rounds.
2 ecos later at 8-2 VP Byali tried some early aggression on A and was punished for it, but Fnatic did not go on to push onto A in the 5v4 but fell back into a very standard default with 1 squeak, 2 main, 1 boosted, 1 garage, 1b.
In the eco before Fnatic had rushed B and found a very passive B setup in which Snax and Byali were caught out completely, so again Fnatic pushed B and took control of checkers to push Snax out to CT; fnatic then smoked the rotators off and just rushed the one player on B site (Taz?).
This sort of rush, however, can only last for one round before the B site adapts so Fnatic tried to go back to A and do the same execute that hadn't worked at all before and yet again they were shut down by the NBK/forklift crossfire with Pasha being the best player on the server with the AWP as of the 13th round.
Sure enough, when Fnatic pushed B again, the B players adapted with Snax and Byali both playing close in checkers. Snax got the opening two entries before being smoked off, which Byali used to push through into B main and kill any stragglers pushing into B site proper/staying behind in toxic while Snax danced around the black and white carpet flicking onto the disorientated Fnatic players.
End of the 1st half: VP 12-3 Fnatic
VP's T side pistol tactic was to rush B with a smoke to CT while having one player lurk, but Dennis got 3 AMAZING one taps which will definately be on the reddit front page by the time you read this and the whole push fell apart. VP I think wrapped around to headshot too far and should've just gone up the B ramp directly after the CT smoke went out.
Fnatic cleaned up on their anti-ecos and the first gun round happened 12-6 to VP. VP played an A sided default with 2 in ramp 1 in squeaky and 1 in between both with one passive mid/b player. VP did a smoke execute into A, smoking off truck and smoking off cross, [but Dennis and Krimz rotated quickly and Fnatic won the round still. There was one Fnatic player, I think Flusha, at NBK who peeked earlier than VP anticipated, too, to get a double.
](http://i.imgur.com/Y7AspUq.png)VP would commit themselves to a site early and would put 4 of their players in a "default" or passive position outside the site they want to push into with one player staying in mid to pick off and flankers from A, though in theory in Fnatic were to push it'd still let the A players get a lot of info.
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VP took the site into a 3v3 retake after Taz 1g'd and Olof had a good starting retake strategy by just systematically clearing the site with Molotovs, but Fnatic ran out of nades quite quickly so had to push out of CT/upper raw, being vunverable to the crossfire between back of site (which was safe from the Molotovs) and checkers, so VP won the post-plant situation. VP continued some quite 1 dimensional nade takes, nothing worth noting TBH, and for a fair few rounds because VP took such a 'heavy' default as I talked about earlier Fnatic was able to push up in the alternate site and gain info as soon as first contact was made, meaning the rotates from players like Olof and Dennis would be quick enough so that VP would be attacking two fronts.
Byali on the T side was having a good half as the 2nd guy in, as although Snax/Pasha would often lose the entry fight to Fnatic (just because of how good aimers Fnatic are) Byali would always peak out behind a flash or a molly to refrag, taking over from Pasha as the best on the server, with 24 kills.
After a few failed B takes VP set up an A split with Pasha in squeaky and the other 4 through main. Flusha was mollied off on short and JW flashed out, not expecting Pasha to be pushing through squeaky since they'd never split before in the half. Losses were still heavy as Dennis in Forklift got a spray through the smoke which tagged down a bunch of players, but Byali held the site well from quad.
Fnatic's few rounds won had all come at a great cost so Fnatic was forced into an eco straight away and made to play for overtime. 15-11 VP.
Fnatic's final buy consisted of just CZs and some mediocre nades and VP set up for an A push with Neo, who'd had a quiet game, lurking on B. Fnatic were forced into some mid aggression (VP never went mid) but Pasha and Taz were far enough back so that they heard the footsteps and caught the rushers in their knickers. From there Byali faked A and pulled out all 3 remaining Fnatic players from B site which was open when VP rotated into it through main, with CT smoked off.
VP 16-11 Fnatic
Man of the Match: Byali
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u/UGAifan Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
Man of the match should definitely be pasha. Single-handedly won CT with the awp.
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Jul 17 '17
Yeah I was considering Pasha but then Byali really carried VP through the gun rounds on the T side and pretty and swept up ecos where VP would lose the first couple of entries quite a lot.
Hard choice though.
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u/Ludatanate G2 Jul 17 '17
Wow every post match discussion I've seen you've posted these. Mad props man
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u/Grindstone8 1 Million Celebration Jul 17 '17
Thank you good sir! I actually missed a good amount of the second half because of guests, so this was very helpful =)
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Jul 17 '17
Very nice analysis right there. Do you think fnatic's decision to forcebuy at 14-11 (when they got reset after 5 won rounds) cost them the game? They got 2 force buys instead of a proper round to play for overtime.
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Jul 17 '17
I think Fnatic mismanaged their economy throughout the match really-they constantly got reset and so they responded by doing mediocre forces with the CZs and the occasional UMP. That one was certainly the fatal blow but it was just the culmination of a lot of unsuccessful attempts at breaking VPs momentum through upgraded pistols+armour.
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Jul 17 '17
Yes, fnatic had 0 control over their economy on the entire game. The game worked as VP wanted every round in terms of money management, and it surprised me that fnatic (knowing their pistol-armor plays never worked out through the game) kinda threw the game in the end with those light buys. This force buy meta is nice, as it gives entertainment every round, but some teams love force buying to death for some reason. I think many teams get too cocky, and they think they have the right to win every force-buy they do, but when you don't have a solid buy planned ahead in the next round, do you think its actually worth do do these gambles? They normally make you eco 1 more time and your enemies get to build yet more momentum, what yields to an easy loss. Sorry if im bothering you too much btw, I just love talking about this stuff.
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u/buddhapestTF2 CS2 HYPE Jul 17 '17
really love these writeups, man - great stuff.
also, good on you to pick Byali as MotM - he's one of my favourite players in cs:go - very dependable for the refrags and keeping super cool under pressure. everyone always focuses on Snax 'cause he's so crazy amazing, but Byali never runs cold.
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u/DesHis 5 years coin Jul 17 '17 edited Jun 19 '25
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Thanks for the hard work but no need for so much summary we all watched the match, analyse instead
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Jul 17 '17 edited Jul 17 '17
Will try to do so tomorrow, fair enough :).
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Jul 17 '17
Just realized that my comment sounded really harsh, sorry. I still like it a lot man thanks for your hard work
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 18 '17
I completely disagree with him, your comments are the best way to actually get information if you didn't get to see the match.
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u/i_wave_to_koalas NiP Jul 17 '17
Time and time again I'm impressed by how vp always finds a way to break out of a slump. I'm equally impressed by the csgo community's inability to recall things from longer than 6 months ago. Every slump that vp have been in have always been touted as the "worst one yet". The current slump is never comparable to the last and there is no way they'll be able stick it out. But they always do.
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Jul 17 '17
2 bo1's
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u/Rage_101 Jul 17 '17
You can't deny VP looked better in those games than they have in any of their games in a long time
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u/IsaacLightning Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
They went out 0-3 in groups last event, so it's a huge step up
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u/Cepheid Virtus.pro Jul 18 '17
Every major I'm here in the trenches saying that what they are going through are not slumps, they simply don't approach tournaments with the same strategy as all the other teams.
Most other teams practice consistently and aimlessly to be all-around good for the entire calendar.
VP train specifically for high-prize pool offline LANs.
They drill and practice specific maps and specific strategies against specific opponents.
If ESL and this major had larger gap between them, say, 6 weeks, I guarantee you would see a better performance at ESL.
What we are witnessing now is the fruit of months of labour gone into perfecting their play for this very tournament, at the expense of all else.
Is it any wonder you have VP fans coming out of the walls when they provide such consistent entertainment at the majors?
I agree that people in the CSGO community have short memories, I'd be surprised if VP wasn't far and away the statistically best lineup over all the Majors.
I heard an interesting statistic yesterday, that around 2/3 of esports viewers only started following the scene in the last 6 months.
If you (like me) only really follow the majors plus a few comparable prize-pool LANs such as ELEAGUE S1, VP has never looked like they have been in slump. At least not for several years.
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u/tahah925 clutch Jul 17 '17
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u/Tugiovic Jul 17 '17
damn those pick ems are looking pretty good after day two.
(except for faze but thats ok)
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u/Sir_Ninja_VII Jul 17 '17
Inb4 the entire pickem falls apart tomorrow lol
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Jul 18 '17
That fnatic pick is going to hurt imo, 1-1 and facing astralis so they could easily get FaZe for elimination and RIP
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Safe call there on Penta. Everything is a safe call a part from VP getting the 3-0.
Also with recent BIG performance you're probably worried about your NaVi pick?
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u/Tuxed0Duck Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
tbf there were a lot of 1v1 clutches from Fnatic
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u/thebrainypole Complexity Jul 18 '17
My internet sucks right now, is this the dog dragging its hind legs and standing up like nothing?
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u/BlackNov Jul 17 '17
I think Fnatic can handle this kind of pressure now that they come to the major and the thought of exiting in group is sitll real.
I really got the feeling that this line up wont survive another exit group so there is so much pressure on all the player. Just look at Dennis with his tripple in pistol, not even laughing, but so serious and threatened.
And fnatic CT, omg it is so meshed up at the moment in combination with their aim proficiency, we dont even see an awp impact at all compare to the Virtuspro CT side.
Fnatic is struggling so hard at the moment and as a fan I feel so bad. This is when the coach and player needs to find someway to improve their performance. Time is short, and there are many top tier team that fail the first 2 days already. Tbh, I am already seeing the future when Fnatic have to face against Faze or Astralis to secure playoff.
This is such a dark timeline but I hope they stay together, at least in this major period and play properly.
They even play worse than a pub team seriously, their aim are so shaken.
OMG, PLS
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i had a strong feeling that vp were Jebaiting the world with the performance at ESL cologne but even my shitty nostradamus actions couldn't expect VP to polish their cache as much as it is right now, wp by them and very smart considering how many teams don't play cache that well any more.
also pasha has become insane.
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u/wigan77 10 years coin Jul 17 '17
LETS GO VP KURWA KRAKÓW LECIMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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u/hectictw Jul 17 '17
olofmeister is such a dissapointment on T side. It's like his mind is somewhere else entirely. He looks clueless.
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u/hashtagbeast MOUZ Jul 17 '17
I think byali is so under rated. He is so consistent and always has impactfull kills. He was a monster this game
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u/nnosco Jul 17 '17
underrated or not, there is this thing with him. The byali effect. You can just see that in some games something clicks and he gets this invincibility aura, fuelling the plow. It takes the best to put up a resistance.
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u/Latvian_Goose Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
hes not under rated, been known to be an aim heavy fragger for a long time, lost form for a bit but has always been rly good
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u/hashtagbeast MOUZ Jul 17 '17
under rated as in noone ever talks about his performance altough alot of games he is the best player (not this one necesarilly). you always hear about snax and pasha, noone mentions him.
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u/wildstyle1337 Liquid Jul 17 '17
Byali good aim, but very bad in clutch situations, same with pasha
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u/kinzu7 BIG Jul 17 '17
vp won and snax bottomfragger with lowest adr? damn it the plow is here
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u/LongShotTheory de_cobble Jul 17 '17
Snax holds B > Fnatic push B > Snax gets 4k > Fnatic don't push B anymore.
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u/nba4lifeee Jul 17 '17
What a clownfiesta...
Sad to see how far Fnatic have fallen.
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u/nh2108 Jul 17 '17
Dennis is just a god on B site. Sadly it just felt like the ct economy fucked Fnatic this game, but gg VP nonetheless
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u/Zashak Astralis Jul 17 '17
Virtus.Pro: hello, Fnatic t side?
fnatic: fnatic t side broke
Virtus.pro: understandable have a nice day
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u/Daleyboyjimm Jul 17 '17
I just don't have any faith in this team anymore. After they got back together, I was willing to give them time to keep improving despite each early exit at the tournaments because I could rays of hope in the defeats as they were trying to change their play style but after the shit show against VP, I just can't see it anymore.
It's always the same stupid mistakes that's costing them by putting them at a huge disadvantage that they're very rarely going to come back from. Even when they try to do the right thing like in the second round where they execute onto A site with smokes and mollies, they still manage to royally fuck it up by not mollying forklift and proceeding to get shredded by 2 guys with pistols.
Like it's obvious they needed a dedicated IGL but outside of resorting back to Pronax sandbagging the bottom of the scoreboard in hopes of him tactically rejuvenating the team and drilling out these stupid mistakes, I don't know who else there is.
I think its more a less a foregone conclusion they will lose to Astralis tommorow putting them at 1-2, then when you look at all the other possible teams they could draw after that, I still have zero faith that they could comfortably beat one of those.
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u/xUsuSx Jul 17 '17
I just feel like fnatic have no strategy whatsoever. Their t sides have no cleverness to them at all. Everything was so easy to read and then when executing so easy to stop.
They show on ct they can still win fights and clutches, but on t the strats are so bad they don't ever get good fights.
C9 run a similar style but are infinitely more clever in implementation.
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u/Topdog657 Jul 17 '17
Goddamn Fnatic feels like a pure pug team, both their games have been so bad, they can never survive more than 2 players a round they keep trying to chase down players and end up dying for it (Especially against F3). And they never ever play around information what so ever on their T side.
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u/Ainine9 CS2 HYPE Jul 17 '17
VP vs SK tomorrow? If it is and VP miraculously wins against SK then it'd definitely ruin a lot of people's pickem.
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u/mmhawk576 Virtus.pro Jul 18 '17
Even with my VP flair, I don't think anyone beats SK right now... This major is just the Coldzera show, and he's just the top of a 5 star player line up.
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Jul 17 '17
i wonder if they wil disband if they dont make it out of groups
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u/riki2cool Outsiders Jul 17 '17
Or at least get an actual IGL. That t-side was absolutely terrible.
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u/smokejps Jul 17 '17
Such a frustrating game as a Fnatic Fan. CT side was okay, but that was the worst T site on Cache that I have seen in a long time. No map control, running into stacks over and over again .. also, krimz was playing REALLY bad(apart from that 1v3).
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u/Grindstone8 1 Million Celebration Jul 17 '17
Fnatic has some sloppy ass anti-eco rounds :( they really need to work on that.
Also, I really thought Fnatic was gonna win because of the map. I said to myself "holy shit how did VP allow this to go to Cache".
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u/TheDoktor364 Jul 17 '17
Ahh classic 2k17 fnatic. Start the comeback only to get Heimliched when in double digits. Now we just need a horrendous draw and the "Fnatic In 2k17 Events" checklist is complete!
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u/nnosco Jul 17 '17
Fnatic with 8-1 lead on ct half still having their economy in shambles. Not so convinced about the bears yet, since their t side late round awareness was really lacking. Really waiting for them to face someone with less of a run'n'gun playstyle. Gambit shall prove to be a worthy test as of now.
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u/DarkRoseXoX Jul 17 '17
Virtus Pro their T side was decent tbh, but they screwed themselves over at the afterplants many times
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u/anon_redditor_ Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
PAPA!!! So well played from him and byali too locking down that A site
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u/Tugiovic Jul 17 '17
yeah ok sorry vp for doubting you and not putting you in my pick em. pls forgive me i will pick u in the playoffs.
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u/DesHis 5 years coin Jul 17 '17 edited Jun 19 '25
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u/-RedLink- Jul 17 '17
Man fnatic were fucking awful. Only reason it was this close was cause VP did some dumb mistakes. But man that T side from fnatic was just pathetic. Dennis on B site getting caught in the dumbest positions on CT side. Olof missing some easy shots. JW getting dad dicked by Pasha. It's sad watching fnatic play these days. GG VP.
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u/intecknicolour NiP Jul 17 '17
the feel when VP say they would be lucky to make it to playoffs.
GLOBAL ELITE SANDBAGGING.
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u/anon_redditor_ Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
PAPA!!! So well played from him and byali too locking down that A site
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u/Ravioli227 BIG Jul 17 '17
Fnatic's T side was so trash. Just couldn't win any aim duals. Congrats to VP though. Coming through as one of my pick'em picks.
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u/Duckfright Jul 17 '17
Well, I have to admit, VirtusPro has completely proved me wrong. I had expected them to go 0-3 considering the form they showed earlier, but the sleeping bear has awoken.
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u/61185 Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
It's Major time. Did you not expect them to retain Legendary status? C'mon man. It's VP.
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u/FatMitch Jul 18 '17
Well... You were not alone. But historically VP has always played better in big tournaments. It's still only 2 matches, many to come!
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u/jonajon91 de_canals Jul 17 '17
Fnatic lost this by forcing too much. If they ecod more on CT and stabilised their economy they would have been in with a shot at the comeback.
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u/BadD0ge 2 Million Celebration Jul 17 '17
Fnatic played really bad, only Dennis showed up. Well played by VP but still many mistakes.
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u/Tomakt1 FaZe Jul 18 '17
they have a shallow map pool, so with VP was able to veto their maps out so they were forced into an uncomfortable map.
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u/kitsunegoon Virtus.pro Jul 18 '17
Honestly VP is pretty lucky with the draws, but I can see a really deep run from them so long as they don't bump into faze. I would rather them go against monster coldzera and Astralis than them to go against faze.
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u/yejayz Renegades Jul 18 '17
God i'm late but after watching the game fnatic holding b site was atrocious.. I understand dennis was doin work but holding a WIDE OPEN angle is way too cocky and VP were punishing pre hard..
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u/RacerMatt EG Jul 17 '17
but reddit told me that VP would bomb out of groups??
home-field advantage more op than jump bug, valve pls nerf
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Jul 17 '17
Going off recent results it wouldn't have been a surprise if they did. Hell, even VP themself said it wouldn't be a surprise
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u/RicharDANKNixon Jul 17 '17
Sloppy from both teams. Fnatic had no clue what the fuck they were doing on their T side, their CT side came down to dennis clutching and getting big plays.
As for VP, their CT was alright, you can't really judge it cause Fnatics T side was so shit. As for their T side they made so many mistakes, like easy stuff. Not planting in the open without a smoke (even though pasza had a smoke), not being covered by another teammate, no one watching flank. Basic matchmaking stuff you'd see at like gold nova.
Disgusting game from both teams. I honestly can't see either of them making out of groups like this
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u/LongShotTheory de_cobble Jul 17 '17
Guess who's back ? Back again!
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u/61185 Virtus.pro Jul 17 '17
VP show up at major? Noooo. Srsly? noooo. Srsly? noooo
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 17 '17
VP at major 👌🏼
VP anywhere else ❌