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Discussion | Esports FaZe Clan vs BIG / PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Round 1 / Post-Match Discussion
FaZe Clan 0-1 BIG
Inferno: 8-16
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MAP: Inferno
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| FaZe | 7 | 1 | 8 |
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| BIG | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| FaZe | K | A | D |
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| allu | 17 | 2 | 17 |
| rain | 16 | 4 | 19 |
| NiKo | 15 | 1 | 15 |
| kioShiMa | 8 | 2 | 17 |
| karrigan | 8 | 2 | 19 |
| BIG | |||
| nex | 23 | 3 | 11 |
| tabseN | 23 | 3 | 13 |
| keev | 16 | 2 | 14 |
| gob b | 13 | 3 | 12 |
| LEGIJA | 12 | 3 | 14 |
Map Detailed Stats
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u/Zashak Astralis Jul 16 '17
karrigan: lol ez lets go A
keev: nein
karrigan: ok lets go b
tabsen: nein
karrigan: understandable have a nice day
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u/RadiantSun FaZe Jul 16 '17
"BIG have reached their ceiling" - Dunked-on "Thorin" Shields
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u/ghw024 Astralis Jul 16 '17
Last time he said that about a team they won the next 2 majors...
Ez for big next great team
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u/TheDarreNCS Astralis Jul 16 '17
I love seeing amazing strats from BIG
thank god b
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u/HaxorSlice1 Renegades Jul 16 '17
How good is it seeing some heavy tactical t sides? Hasn't been a thing for a little while. New favourite team to watch!
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u/n1co92 guardian Jul 16 '17
DIESER DatSheffy SUBREDDIT DatSheffy IST DatSheffy JETZT DatSheffy DEUTSCH
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u/RobertZocker Jul 16 '17
DIESES DatSheffy UNTERLASES DatSheffy IST DatSheffy JETZT DatSheffy DEUTSCH
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u/Drago2323 FaZe Jul 16 '17
rip all the 3-0 for Faze and 0-3 for BIG predictions
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u/Boplek Jul 16 '17
I don't think many predicted BIG to go 0-3 though
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u/PPwhore Astralis Jul 16 '17
dazed did
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Jul 16 '17
Idk why he did he's like one of the few people I know that did that. He clearly hasn't been following them.
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u/buldieb 750k Celebration Jul 16 '17
DaZed's pro scene knowledge is pretty laughable. I'm sure it gets better all the time, but you can definitely tell he hasn't followed the scene all that closely.
Not to take away from his tactical analysis though, that's still top tier.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jul 16 '17
Considering Faze is always shaky in the groupstage I don't think many picked them as 3-0.
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u/Rykerj Natus Vincere Jul 16 '17
i originally had vega to go 0-3 then changed to big last second fml
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u/buddhapestTF2 CS2 HYPE Jul 16 '17
vega 0-3, SK 3-0 was mine - was chewing my nails a bit in the SK game - sloopy plays!
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u/IamBrazilian_AMA 500k Celebration Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 18 '17
coming from a SK fan: NEVER BET 3-0 ON SK
edit: FUKEN CALLED IT
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u/ButteredGhost Jul 16 '17
3-0 prediction for FaZe is understandable, but I'd laugh at anybody thinking BIG would go down without a fight
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u/Blackyy FaZe Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
My thinking with picking BIG to go 0-3 was that,
they play Faze first game and there is no way they go through that
LEGIJA is probably the worst player at the Majors and teams will harass him all day
The others choices were Penta, Vega and F3. F3 are always surprising in majors, Penta have been doing better then BIG and Vega was playing against a shaky VP in first round.
So I went with BIG.
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u/calebci G2 Jul 16 '17
The percentages weren't that BIG, but I'm sure it still did screw up a few people.
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u/Luigiatl Complexity Jul 16 '17
NiKo: I'm the best player in the world.
nex: You're not even the best former player of mousesports.
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u/RadiantSun FaZe Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
Karrigan "I am best IGL in the world"
God B: "You're not even the best former IGL of Mousesports".
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u/Mightymushroom1 Gambit Jul 16 '17
Allu: "I am the biggest BOT in the world"
LEGIJA: "Yes you are"
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 16 '17
RIP whoever draws FaZe next
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
implying cloud9 don't win against north?
edit: ez
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u/buldieb 750k Celebration Jul 16 '17
Almost thought we would make it through the day without an upset
Really wp by BIG
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u/Asylbetrueger de_overpass Jul 16 '17
Germans on LAN? I are think that
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u/Fledermausmann1337 howl Jul 16 '17
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u/ImJLu ar_baggage Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
The redemption of gob b, tabseN, and especially nex is actually amazing. Always good to see a team of rejects go big, so to speak.
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u/JordanGlass123 Jul 16 '17
keev was pretty nuts as well
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u/ImJLu ar_baggage Jul 16 '17
keev was impressive but didn't really need redemption - the other guys are rejects what's classically regarded as the German team, mouz, and have really impressed lately in turning BIG into a real threat to T1 teams.
LEGIJA is also a mouz reject but he's only been okay on BIG anyways lol
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Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
Yet again Inferno :((. First Half:
Faze A site was a fairly standard hold with two players (kio and rain) by pit, with one sometimes pushing up short, and another (allu) holding aggressively on long. The B site hold was quite passive and Karrigan would rotate quite quickly off it with the other holding passively on B.
BIG played a heavy apartment-based default with 2-3 in apps first of all, one passively playing B and another flexible player. as you'd expect with a Gob B team they had smoke heavy executes which split up the site player (Niko) and Karrigan who would hold passively in CT would often too far back so Niko was basically solo holding.
Big early on (Faze 4-2 BIG) had better luck on the B site because although Niko always got a kill or two Karrigan was not positioned well to help him, always either getting forced out of the site by smokes/flashes or rotated onto A after a fake. BIG would push quite quickly onto B so Niko, who holds fairly aggressively, was blinded+overwhelmed a fair bit. When BIG went A they'd sometimes push Allu into a corner as they'd send quite a heavy presence longwards and another 2-3 players quickly up short so that all the potential positions (site, pit, apps) could be covered at the same time without having to split up the attack. The Faze CT side wouldn't take apps control much anyway for some reason so it wasn't really important for BIG to consider.
At 4-4 Niko started playing more forwards at the start of the round and instead of playing on B-site the whole round would get the first fight then fall back to the coffin. Being Niko he's a much better awper than Keev and a much better rifler than anyone on the BIG team so this really paid off. Karrigan also played closer to the site so BIG, who had focused a lot on B in the past, now got caught up as they entered the side allowing Rain/Allu/Kio to rotate while BIG are in the open.
In terms of Penta's individual performance, Keev was really struggling on the AWP. Allu and Niko on the duo-awp were simply better than him-Keev often seemed scared of taking fights and would crouch-walk along like his legs were broken and you know you really can't just crouch-walk along in silver elite let alone a major. Nex was doing really nice on the entry for the 1st time in about 2 years which is nice.
Essentially BIG would alternate between focusing on apps and focusing on long. They'd entry Kio every round and then rain would be alone on site/pit to hold off until Karrigan and Niko rotated.
****End of 1st half: BIG 8-7 Faze
On the pistol round of the second half, BIG rushed mid on their CT half while Faze begun to creep up banana slowly, and they got sandwiched between a molly from Legija on B site and the rushing players. Tabsen got a sick triple and won the round in an unconventional way.
BIG actually continued to rush mid in the anti-eco and it worked really well which has to tilt you if you're Faze.
BIG didn't have full m4s when Faze bought, so on B Tabsen pushed up far while Legija stayed by the car. BIG sent up an advanced smoke which Tabsen hid behind keeping a few T players stuck around there despite them originally going towards A. The B players stayed offensive for longer than you'd expect and caught Faze off. Legija, however, would kind of back and play the retake if Tabsen died early.
On the A site, BIG had a unique setup of one player around pit/apps, usually Gob B, while you'd have one player playing flexible around CT and one moving between long and short. The players swapped positions a lot and all in all, they played a really unique adaptable setup, I suppose to catch off the more individually skilled Faze.
Really Faze offered no exciting setups or pushes, and I was quite dissapointed with the lack of imagination from Karrigan.They took B site a few times but the retakers were always in graveyard/close CT by the push by the time the plant went down. Tabsen and Legija still played super aggressive on B and sometimes got caught out with that deep, deep smoke that bordered T spawn. Nonetheless, though it constantly put pressure on T spawn and meant that Faze couldn't make any imaginative pushes in fear of a flank.
By large Tabsen was the best player on the server as he would, after the smoke faded, get flashed out by Legija and kill the blinded players. Niko and Allu who would often play towards B, would get neutered constantly. They pretty much had no A offense and any attempts just dribbled away before I could see any significant strategy from a lacklustre and outplayed Faze. Keev put pressure on mid from A too so Faze were really pressured into a small area of mid all half. ** Second half finishes BIG 16-8 Faze**
MOTM: Tabsen.
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u/glovmpop Jul 16 '17
I don't always agree with you, but your posts are a fantastic breeze of fresh high effort content, and not just memes and oneliners. :)
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Jul 16 '17
Yeah obviously these things are subjective and I am not always right, It's not like I am a particular tactical mastermind I'm just an MM player.
Thanks for the encouraging comments :)
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u/moonlite1337 MOUZ Jul 16 '17
Everybody got their frags and gob's calling was absolutely amazing. It's not even that FaZe played badly, they just got outplayed so hard.... Great game!
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u/schochel BIG Jul 16 '17
gob b's strats outplayed Faze, all the players delivered, it was an amazing game, go BIG
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u/nedmanrules Falcons Jul 16 '17
Can't beat German preparation. Inb4 all opponents against BIG ban their best maps to throw them off.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jul 16 '17
Really Nex? You're just going to show up at a major like this for BIG? Where the fuck was this Nex at mousesports?
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Jul 16 '17
In the corner with NiKo shouting at him :(
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Jul 16 '17
100% Niko's fault, don't know how any sane person could possibly see it differently tbh
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u/Dnse BIG Jul 16 '17
they have almost no pressure in big, unlike the huge expectations especially the german scene was having when they were in mouz.
gob was very new to cs:go and improved a ton, calling wise and playwise.
better atmosphere cause they build themselves up from the ground together. in mouz they took the 3 penta guys under gobs leadership, without knowing anything about each other. so it's naturally harder for them to completely trust gob b.
language - they speak german now unlike with niko.
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u/zardPUNKT BIG Jul 16 '17
actually they were pretty decent back then (especially nex), before
niko replaced spiidi
they kicked gob
that was before the major though, but still they played way better at DH Cluj than people remember it now
they narrowly lost the BO3-Decider vs. G2 (->faze), with G2 being the 2nd best team of the tournament and maikelele having the match of his life
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u/Boro_6666 MIBR Jul 16 '17
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u/Tschonti Jul 16 '17
where the fuck did you get that form? 3 times they played swiss system group stage, 3 times they advanced with a 3-2 record
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u/LordNelson27 Parivision Jul 16 '17
It's the opposite, Faze are always shakey in group stages
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u/ProJumz de_overpass Jul 16 '17
After Cologne I switched my 3-0 pick'em to SK from FaZe. So far it looks like a correct decision :D
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u/MikesHD Jul 16 '17
EZ for German esports team BIG consisting of: Mastermind tactician gob b, awper keev, veteran nex, support player legija, and god tabsen
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u/legreven Jul 16 '17
"BIG, not a believer in just like the talent level on their team. I don't really think the talent level in their team is that great, and I think that is gonna hurt them a lot." - Dazed, when picking what team he thinks will go 0-3 in groups.
BIG goes on to dominate one of the best teams in the world in their opening match. =)
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u/gcarmona Jul 16 '17
When the awp of your team that usually is nonexistent performs well, this happens
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u/Cry6ix 400k Celebration Jul 16 '17
Huge Upset, i bet Nex is feeling pretty good now after beating Niko though
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u/Benzinrasur BIG Jul 16 '17
Expected. Like seriously I expected BIG to win this.
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u/tarangk clutch Jul 16 '17
wow i didnt believe BIG would beat faze, never felt so good to be so wrong :)
where did this nex come from havent seen him play like this since mid-2015
lastly rip faze 3-0 pick'em even i was one of them but BIG won so it neuters out for me :)
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u/kikyou2 BIG Jul 16 '17
As a german I can't really remember when we could be that proud about our scene the last time. Thank you BIG!
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u/DarthTokira Monte Jul 16 '17
A moment of silence for those who picked FaZe to go 3-0. I hope you'll still be able to get bronze.
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Jul 16 '17
Tbh if you picked FaZe for 3-0 after Cologne it's all your own fault. They didn't play well there at all
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u/Thrannn BIG Jul 16 '17
TOLD YOU! fak your predictions. BiG can upset top teams.
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u/Krawkyz EG Jul 16 '17
What does rain need to do to make FaZe win a game? He does so much and yet FaZe still can't win.
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u/Cameter44 Jul 16 '17
New drinking game: drink every time a caster/analyst makes an unintentional BIG pun.
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u/Ravioli227 BIG Jul 16 '17
Nex finally showing up. Tabsen being tabsen. Keev with some solid awp shots and p250 kills. God b with the strats and Legija not being a bot for the whole game? today is a good day.
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Jul 16 '17
idk why would u ban cache v a team that is heavily tactic based when you have more fire power?
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u/wobmaster Jul 16 '17
interestingly it looks like BIG went through various spots on all maps to see if you can crouch-jump-bug info peek to check for enemies. (like truck/pit on a site)
smart decision and Im eager to see where else they will use it
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u/zardPUNKT BIG Jul 16 '17
damn i love this team
just beautiful af CS in the pugstyle world that is CSGO
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u/gmortagua FaZe Jul 16 '17
BIG outplayed faze, faze didnt played their game but BIG was the better team this game I just dont like that LEGIJA jump that everyone in the team is doing now it gives you info for free its ridiculous, valve plz fix
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Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17
It's a pretty hard fix. One way to fix it is to make the crouching animation instantaneous, but the model purposefully lags behind the player camera to prevent/nerf crouch-spamming. So you fix this bug but you reintroduce crouch-spamming, which people are also going to complain about.
The only possible fix I can think of is to make the animation instantaneous only when a player is in the air, but I don't know how hard that is to implement.
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u/Kravvv Virtus.pro Jul 16 '17
ez 4 professional eSports organization BIG containing of AWPer Kevin 'keev' Bartholomäus, ingame mastermind Fatih 'gob b' Dayik, rifler Johannes 'nex' Maget, designated bottomfragger Nikola 'LEGIJA' Ninić & the mad fragger Johannes 'tabseN' Wodarz from the german eSports organization BIG from the country of Germany
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u/Duckfright Jul 16 '17
Unexpected, but BIG played really well! Wondering how far they'll go!
Hopefully FaZe doesn't end up facing the loser of G2/NaVi, otherwise there's a chance to go down the rabbit hole.
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u/thekmanpwnudwn 500k Celebration Jul 16 '17
Is twitch that far behind? Score is still 15-8 there lol
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 16 '17
and here I was worried we'd get a day of Swiss with no upsets
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u/shinikira Jul 16 '17
Why is the stream delayed so much? Match ends 2 mins before it does on stream. Last round is still going whilst I'm typing this...
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u/jonajon91 de_canals Jul 16 '17
I dropped BIG for mouse in my pickems this morning. Regretting it already.
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Jul 16 '17
Niko can't even drop 35 kills to win Faze the game smh
On the real, I swear BIG have those crouch jump spots figured out on every map
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u/jeznix King NiKo Jul 16 '17
Would not draw too BIG conclusions from this match. The underdog teams have had plenty of time to anti-strat for the first round. That's why there's bound to be upsets and close games early on. But swiss makes it more random from there on...
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u/frisktoad Jul 16 '17
Nice for BIG, playing good at the minor and they continue. I really wanna see them in the playoffs so they get legends status.
goBIGorgohome
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u/SirGruff FaZe Jul 16 '17
Every tournament faze plays they get progressively worse (:
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Jul 16 '17
Is twitch constantly buffering for anyone else? I tried turning it down to 720p but it's still happening.
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u/Scratch98 Jul 16 '17
Well, I'm definitely a fan of big now. That t-side was so well played out. Reminds be of SK back when they were kaboom and luminosity. Just very well played out tactical t-sides Love it. Awesome to see tactics > defaults every round.
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u/Dudemanbrosirguy Liquid Jul 16 '17
Perfectly played game by BIG. Winning aim fights left and right, with great tactics to boot.
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u/antoniohrb Loyalty pin Jul 16 '17
Just saw someone from BIG trowing a smoke from A to bottom banana, does anyone have a clip or somerthing?
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u/Brimstone88 Jul 16 '17
Maybe BIG is becoming the next LG/SK... I mean at the end of 2015 no one could have thought that they would be the best team in the world one day. I really see a BIG future die BIG!
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u/majorcole Jul 16 '17
Am I the only one that thinks rain was insane this game? He aims so robotically, efficient, clean and no wasted movement. This was a great game.
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u/wittlaren MOUZ Jul 16 '17
Give me that BIG flair RIGHT FUCKING NOW! Actually insane how good their teamplay is, gob b is a genius!
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u/TotesMessenger Jul 16 '17
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u/ILikeThisNameMore Jul 16 '17
BIG goes 3-0, wins the major and then the major after that.
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u/keiners Jul 16 '17
Dont blame them for using it but valve seriously needs to fix the crouch jumping thing
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u/SneakyPanda7 Jul 16 '17
FaZe just went full G2. Go hero mode and challenge solo, don't work as a team and overpeek after advantages.