r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jul 17 '17
Discussion | Esports BIG vs Cloud9 / PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion
BIG 1-0 Cloud9
Inferno: 16-11
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PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Information, Schedule & Discussion
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Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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MAP: Inferno
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| BIG | 12 | 4 | 16 |
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| C9 | 3 | 8 | 11 |
| BIG | K | A | D |
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| tabseN | 28 | 4 | 15 |
| nex | 26 | 3 | 13 |
| keev | 22 | 5 | 15 |
| gob b | 12 | 5 | 17 |
| LEGIJA | 9 | 1 | 19 |
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| autimatic | 30 | 0 | 17 |
| Skadoodle | 19 | 1 | 18 |
| Stewie2k | 16 | 4 | 19 |
| n0thing | 10 | 3 | 21 |
| shroud | 4 | 5 | 22 |
Map Detailed Stats
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u/DamnsiK Jul 17 '17
sapphire and bardolph clutching the broadcast
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u/mikebaltitas Liquid Jul 17 '17
sad when they got told to move
YOU'VE NEVER SEEN CS:GO LIKE THIS BEFORE!!
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 17 '17
To be fair, I've never seen a phone stream from behind the players being announced by a professional caster.
So the catch phrase is accurate.
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u/esach Jul 17 '17
real winner of this game is Eleague/ESL.
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u/Kelvenlol de_cache Jul 17 '17
So now ppl love ESL again? Lmao. Till the next event they host and ppl circlejerk again
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Jul 17 '17
Me: Oh c9 are making a comeback! Let me see it!
PGL: No
Me: Understandable, have a nice day.
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Jul 17 '17
Never seen a game like this before. Truly incredible plays, especially in the second half
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u/ThatsSoTypical Jul 17 '17
Stats of game if anyone wants to see them
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u/spyr_ Jul 17 '17
shroud playing without drivers and people will still find a way to blame him lol
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u/TooM3R NiP Jul 17 '17
Only the first half though. He still got 3 kills with a good driver in 10 rounds.
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u/fallenBAD MIBR Jul 17 '17 edited Jul 17 '17
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u/WalrusWisperer Jul 17 '17
How is it possible you make these so good and so fast?
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u/fallenBAD MIBR Jul 17 '17
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u/riki2cool Outsiders Jul 17 '17
Well he had a little bit of extra time on him this time ;)
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u/WalrusWisperer Jul 17 '17
Even so, the editing quality is better than a lot of youtubers who have unlimited time, it's truly amazing.
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u/nmyi de_mirage Jul 17 '17
He should share his internet with PGL.
Actually, /u/FallenBAD should just stream the rest of the Major for us.
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u/SteveBobSamuel Liquid Jul 17 '17
oh wait they actually play like this in na
LMFAO, even when production fails the memes don't.
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u/r4be_cs BIG Jul 17 '17
Admit it, you are not one person bruh, fallenBAD is like 15 guys working on memes 24/7
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u/its_tabula_rasa BIG Jul 17 '17
FYI: The "strats" on the board: Vacuum cleaning, tidy up kitchen+dining table and room cleaning,makes it even funnier
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u/Thrannn BIG Jul 17 '17
holy shit this is the first time i see a good german meme. cant wait for big to be top1 team, so we see more of these. and +1 for SSIO
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u/rulatore Jul 17 '17
Fucking top tier shitposting, more time into production here than in the major, keep them coming
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u/_Elusivity Jul 17 '17
If only PGL could use the jump bug so we could get info on the games being played :(
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Jul 17 '17
Worst match in major history.
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u/VanHooliganX Jul 17 '17
Not even mad at this jump bug bullshit even though I don't really like it nor the fact we have just lost to Big.
But I'm pissed off that I can't watch the only team I care about. Fuck you PGL, sort your fucking shit out.
Why give a major to ESL Jr when Cologne, a tried and tested great major, wouldn't have had 13+ hour days, and this type of bullshit attached.
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u/fatcomputerman bravo Jul 17 '17 edited Jul 17 '17
this doesn't feel like a major, feels like some tier 2 3 event. all the hype for this is major gone for me.
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u/DesHis 5 years coin Jul 17 '17 edited Jun 19 '25
marvelous depend test squeal instinctive sheet pot saw rich rinse
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u/Atreidas Jul 17 '17
Worse than a tier 2 event by far, even the insomnia's in the UK are better than this
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u/Retrotrek Jul 17 '17
That what happens when you have 2 events with all the top teams using the Swiss system leading up to the major, which has all the top teams and uses the Swiss system.
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u/stenerikkasvo Jul 17 '17
BIG played some really good CS but it will get overlooked because of that jump bug.
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u/zardPUNKT BIG Jul 17 '17
this, sadly
after outplaying Faze yesterday and C9 today, everything left will be salt and memes
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u/TheMormonBishop Jul 17 '17
PGL, I am sorry for my comment yesterday about the two round delay. If only I had known you would crash the stream in response.
But seriously, this was grade A BS.
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u/footysocc Jul 17 '17
Just give the major spot back to cologne already...
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u/Cravot Jul 17 '17
A comment I never though I would find on this subreddit.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jul 17 '17
And as soon as there is 1 delay by ESL people are loving PGL again
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Jul 17 '17
Fuck both of them e-League, MLG, and dreamhack had great majors. I really don't know what DH did to lose valves favour.
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u/Kelvenlol de_cache Jul 17 '17
This reddit is circlejerkin as ussual, next event ESL host they will go on blind hate rampage again as soon as they dislike somethong or get a delay
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u/HonzaS97 Jul 17 '17
We need a major from E-League or MLG again.
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u/fauxdoge Jul 17 '17
MLG was bought out by activision so I doubt they'd do a major for a different FPS.
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Jul 17 '17
BIG played well
C9 played like shit
Sucks Shroud's computer was fucked up maybe it would have been a better score if he had a proper machine
PGL needs to step up quickly
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u/Zoidburger_ bloodhound Jul 17 '17
Called it yesterday. C9 fucked themselves with the veto. GG BIG, jumping bugs didn't allow you to win, you played well.
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u/seenonscreen Jul 17 '17
Seriously, tabsen was insane throughout that first half
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Jul 17 '17
Jesus what a shitshow this major is
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u/Little_Muffins FaZe Jul 17 '17
No GPU drivers on shrouds computer, which means less them 150 fps, which means he wasn't even getting use of his 144hz or 240hz monitor
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u/Swbp0undcake Jul 17 '17
Literally don't even care about the fuckin game. What a shitshow of a major. What kind of million dollar tournament doesn't even let you watch the fucking games.
And HOW THE FUCK DOES SHROUD'S PC NOT HAVE DRIVERS INSTALLED. WHAT KIND OF IDIOTS DO YOU HAVE PREPARING THOSE THINGS.
And yes cloud9 were shit anyway but what a fucking annoying match to follow
"Fucking shitshow"
-Machine
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u/Cookieseller Jul 17 '17
Can't understand how that is possible, shroud should have just refused to play imo.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 17 '17 edited Jul 17 '17
There'll be plenty of comments about the 2nd half circumstances, I'll just comment on the match up until 12-6.
That was a complete shitshow by C9, I don't even know where to start. Players dying to the bomb while saving multiple times, that god-awful compromise between banana control and passive play on B, 4 players not being able to hold A against pistols, getting double-entried by MAC-10s on gun rounds, shroud having a shocker, getting flanked on T pistol 30 seconds into the round, not touching banana on T side...
Shroud's stats emphasize all his problems on CT side. His ADR was better than n0thing's and LEGIJA's (up until 12-6!), but that's because he consistently deals damage and ultimately loses duels on CT side. When shroud anchors a site, he anchors the scoreboard. That and n0thing's tendencies to wander off and die are the primary reasons I'm advocating for the 2 of them to switch roles on a lot of maps.
As for the veto, I was pretty convinced this was going to Cobble and not Inferno. I'd understand C9 going for Inferno rather than Cobble if C9 were prepared for it, but this was nothing like it.
Respectable effort in the 2nd half, though, especially after understandably getting tilted off the planet.
EDIT: I'm very aware of shroud's PC problems, up to the point that I think such a thing should not be allowed and maybe even a restart was warranted. However, that doesn't change the fact that shroud's at his best on T side and when he's on the move on CT side (clutches, aggression, etc), while he's at his worst when he holds the line. C9 really need to utilize him in a different way on CT side, I think.
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Jul 17 '17
The classic shitty C9 CT Inferno half. And they still insist on playing this map. Incredible.
n0thing's tendencies to wander off and die
Does Jordan have alzheimer's or something? Someone please bring him to a doctor.
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u/singsing2x Jul 17 '17
Yes but shroud literally had 100 fps this match can't really fault him much
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u/Jerk_offlane Jul 17 '17 edited Jul 17 '17
Add to that the 3v2 b retake where a c9 player (
stewie I think?autimatic) rushes through the smoke to die without any backup to make it a 2v2 and a preferable position for BiG. That was shockingly bad decision making as well.https://www.twitch.tv/videos/159779957?t=08h13m07s it was autimatic
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u/captainant Jul 17 '17
shroud didn't have video drivers for the first half of thegame soooo
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u/pLaguE-_- Jul 17 '17
I've always been under the impression n0thing and shroud need to stay the fuck away from each other on certain maps. They hinder each other a lot.
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u/Chilla16 Jul 17 '17
Good guys PGL, dont want BIG to get all the flak for abusing the bug, so they just start a shitshow
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u/ilikesupermario Jul 17 '17
Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I’m so distressed right now I don’t know what to do. I didn’t mean to do that to my mom but I’m literally in shock from the jumps tonight. I feel like I’m going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is C9 losing? This can’t be happening. I’m having a fucking breakdown. I don’t want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want C9 to win and fix this broken major. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn’t supposed to be like this, I thought they were doing well in Cologne???? This is so fucked.
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Jul 17 '17
Holy shit. My german enemies came into banana to spot for a push and I literally screamed at her and punched my monitor off of my desk. They started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on them. I’m so distressed right now I don’t know what to do. I didn’t mean to do that to my mom but I’m literally in shock from the jumps tonight. I feel like I’m going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is C9 losing? This can’t be happening. I’m having a fucking breakdown. I don’t want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want C9 to win and fix this broken major. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn’t supposed to be like this, I thought they were doing well in Cologne???? This is so fucked.
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u/AngriestGamerNA Liquid Jul 17 '17
Why not ban inferno and leave cobble up? You know the map you shit stomped them on a week ago????
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u/ShotIntoOrbit Jul 17 '17
Up until this match they had been playing the ban phase near flawlessly for a few tournaments in a row now. Then they ban Cobble and leave up Inferno in this match. Just idiotic.
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u/mikebaltitas Liquid Jul 17 '17
what really confuses me is they just saw the advantages that could be gained from the jump bug on inferno when BIG played their last game, so why allow it?? is ban that map right out, cobble has WAY less opportunity for that big to be useful...
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u/tarangk clutch Jul 17 '17
I cant help but feel the long pauses hindered the players much more as they had to sit there in silence
i have no idea where this BIG is coming from but am loving it, we took down faze and c9 and are 2-0 wtf basically just need to win 1 more game and have 3 tries to do it such a great chance to make top8.
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u/Brumafriend 500k Celebration Jul 17 '17
What a shitshow. Can't even begin to imagine how hard it was for cloud9 to try and comeback with constant interruptions. No way to build momentum.
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Jul 17 '17
As soon as they started building some momentum they immediately had another technical pause.
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u/Durflol Jul 17 '17
Not to mention a player playing on 100-150 less fps for the first half
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Jul 17 '17
He said his PC had no nvidia drivers. He said his PC was dipping down to 70 fps. What the fuck PGL?
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u/BrownHesus Jul 17 '17
Real good shit here guys
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u/dixy48 Jul 17 '17
That last round was epic
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u/Shiro_The_Bloody_Cat de_inferno Jul 17 '17
Dude did you see that clutch? Like those 5 pixels moving back and forth on periscope?!?
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u/Crowned Liquid Jul 17 '17
They just beat BIG on Cobble and BIG just beat FaZe on Inferno?? hmm.. Not the smartest veto I've ever seen.
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u/tf2isbad Jul 17 '17
"hey you know how big just beat faze yesterday on inferno? lets not veto it and see what happens"
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u/cuddlepwince FaZe Jul 17 '17
because of the issues no one will talk about shroud going 4-22
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u/ohtisNA CS2 HYPE Jul 17 '17
How do we even know this is PGLs fault, people are so quick to jump to conclusions. It's ridiculous.
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u/captainant Jul 17 '17
Shroud didn't even have drivers installed on his PC so C9 was effectively 4v5 the whole time. Unbelievable. What a goddamn shit show.
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Jul 17 '17
lot of excuses likely to be made by both c9 players/fans but fact is BIG is superior team at least on this map which c9 should not have allowed to go through. they deserve credit for the win and being a legitimately top level team
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u/WizardChips Renegades Jul 17 '17
i stayed up til 4 am to watch bardolph commentate over like 50 pixels
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Jul 17 '17
wow the amount of issues with the pc's alone. Its an esport event. Good Pc's are expected by all pros attending. So why is this an issue all the time.
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u/Dustyne05 Jul 17 '17
I guess the best way ESL could improve their events was not to raise the bar, but have someone else drop it through the fucking floor.
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Jul 17 '17
everyone flaming big and not the bug itself is a fucking turd. all those saints of other teams also use non-intended stuff - additionally to that this jumpbug is old and wellknown. it's not bigs fault if valve fuck up their game.
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Jul 17 '17
Shroud playing without proper graphics will be a huge what if for the outcome of this game...
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u/Little_Muffins FaZe Jul 17 '17
Shroud playing on the intel-integrated graphics, and no GPU. First half he was at huge disadvantage. Still big played really well on T
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u/Anthony10298 Jul 17 '17
I've lost all respect sorry this is absolutely rigged for money... Or ratings in not sure which. I won't be silent . Just saw it live sry."
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Jul 17 '17
I've lost all respect sorry this is absolutely rigged for money... Or ratings in not sure which. I won't be silent . Just didn't see it live sry.
FTFY
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u/Eaxy BIG Jul 17 '17
BIG has C9 torn like a piece of paper. And the bug was, as yesterday, not the matchwinner. BIG has simply played incredibly, even with unsportsmanlike moves.
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u/HydraMC Jul 17 '17
because we totally got to watch the second half when shroud had a pc
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u/Follow_The_Lore MOUZ Jul 17 '17
I really like the strats BiG used on that last round, very fun to watch.
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u/HeyCharlieBall Liquid Jul 17 '17
Real MVP of the match goes to sapphiRe with the periscope stream.
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Jul 17 '17
I'd rather watch fnatic vs LDLC again than this shit. Mostly because I could actually watch it.
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u/Solstice178 Complexity Jul 17 '17
What a fucking shit fest. This is something I would have expected out if a tier 3 event not at the god damn major
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Jul 17 '17
I had Big going out 0-3 considering their performance at the Qualifier. They are making a believer out of me these past two days.
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u/BitPhotos Jul 17 '17
I know my flair and all but seriously there were too many things wrong with this match that it wasn't fair. Bug aside... shroud without a graphics driver and the constant technical issues it was impossible to gain any sort of momentum.
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u/PleaseGoOutside Jul 17 '17
This match was just a complete fucking joke. CS is a momentum based game and a fucking hour delay is just stupid as fuck. Then to top it all off, Shroud's computer was running terrible. Who let these guys host a major?
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Jul 17 '17
So uhh, /u/l_cannot_draw what have ye got in store for this match?
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Jul 17 '17
I had it all written up but then I had to walk my dogs and it ended while I was out...f only the stream ended on time :(. I've not stopped and I will have the next few matches.
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u/Hardyyz ENCE Jul 18 '17
BIG so dirty with those bug exploits! This major has had a terrible start for C9, Stewie not allowed to warm up, Shroud and his drivers / FPS... This match with all the delays etc. I just hope they make it into the Stage part and kinda get to reset there! Skadoodle going 0-8 in majors would be heart breaking! especially since they have been playing so good lately
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u/kikyou2 BIG Jul 17 '17
At this point I want a
"Playing against BIG is tricky" or
"When I'm BIG" or
"How BIG really plays CSGO" pretty please.
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u/ButteredGhost Jul 17 '17
"You've never seen CS:GO like this" -PGL """"""""""Major"""""""""" Krakow 2017
Welp
They weren't lying
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u/Swag_Attack MOUZ Jul 17 '17
Let the salt rain down on me: BIG (probably) won fair and convincingly
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u/Pparadigm 750k Celebration Jul 17 '17
Scratch probably and your sentence is correct. BIG wrecked them.
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u/Swag_Attack MOUZ Jul 17 '17
well it seemed like c9 make some sort of come back in the second half. According to the score atleast
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u/Pparadigm 750k Celebration Jul 17 '17
They did. But the way BIG outstated C9 on the first half pretty much made the game. Feels bad for Shroud for playing without a graphics card driver lol
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u/schweppesvidya King NiKo Jul 17 '17
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UPVOTE IF THERE SHOULD BE A REMATCH. SHROUD HAD 1 KILL WHICH TILTED THE MATCH
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u/smokejps Jul 17 '17
Did you see the play in the last round? Well, I did not either. Great game, great major and I am loving that fnatic and vp probably have to play at midnight if this continues. Love it!
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u/Kiinako_ 500k Celebration Jul 17 '17
http://i.imgur.com/y7P3YiT.png