r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jul 19 '17
Discussion | Esports Virtus.pro vs Cloud9 / PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Round 5 / Post-Match Discussion
Virtus.pro 1-0 Cloud9
Train: 16-10
Virtus.pro have advanced to the playoffs.
Cloud9 have been eliminated.
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Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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MAP: Train
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| VP | 8 | 8 | 16 |
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| C9 | 7 | 3 | 10 |
| VP | K | A | D |
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| TaZ | 21 | 2 | 15 |
| pashaBiceps | 21 | 1 | 18 |
| byali | 20 | 3 | 15 |
| Snax | 17 | 7 | 15 |
| NEO | 16 | 8 | 15 |
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| autimatic | 19 | 3 | 20 |
| n0thing | 18 | 4 | 19 |
| Stewie2k | 16 | 3 | 21 |
| shroud | 14 | 1 | 18 |
| Skadoodle | 11 | 3 | 17 |
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u/ClassyChameleon Jul 19 '17
It's been fun, but I'm ready.
FADE ME FAM
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u/odaal CS2 HYPE Jul 19 '17
FADE ME FAM
..fuck
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u/Ronananana de_cobble Jul 19 '17
Jokes on them, we're holding out for that sweet contraband flairfeelsbadman
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u/whalethrowaway857 Jul 19 '17
Despite all my comments, I started to believe.
Hello darkness my old friend.
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u/Kelvenlol de_cache Jul 19 '17
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u/FreeQdoba Renegades Jul 19 '17
He looked so much younger, and that was only a year or two ago
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u/katalysis Jul 19 '17
It's the warm, soft hue, the bedhead, and the clean shave.
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Jul 19 '17
to think it is only 2 years and he looks so much older now, almost like 5+ yers have elapsed
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u/MikesHD Jul 19 '17
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u/xijmplr 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
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u/Gsz_ Liquid Jul 20 '17
I really wish it was just an account for majors. So every year or few months it would just be another "no".
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Jul 19 '17
Thank God! I wanted to see C9 in the playoffs but a Major in Poland without VP in playoffs would be a crime!
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u/GivePLZ-DoritosChip MIBR Jul 19 '17
RIP whoever eliminates VP. They will become crowd enemy #1 especially if its North or Astralis.
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u/InternetIsHard Jul 19 '17
I don't mind them losing to Astralis but North can go suck a dong, I wonder how much booing there's going to be
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u/Salva252 Gambit Jul 19 '17
Nobody likes North, VP are legends. If they get eliminated I'd like anyone but North to be the guys to do it. But here's to hoping VP makes it far.
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u/LugiaCyfer FURIA Jul 19 '17
Why? What happened that people are hating on North?
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u/Xamuel1804 de_inferno Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
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u/FalcowUnleashed NiP Jul 19 '17 edited Dec 21 '24
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u/Cheesewithmold 1 Million Celebration Jul 19 '17
WHY DO THEY DRY PEEK SO FUCKING MUCH
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u/SQConrad Jul 19 '17
Goes back to that waste of utility. Why did they even buy flashes if they were gonna dry peek into angles VP held for most of their CT half? I dunno, kinda seemed like they played nervously. One of those "too much respect" situations or whatever you wanna call it. None of those fast A executes we've seen from them in previous games.
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u/yohghoj Jul 19 '17
If you're interested in some stats related to wasted utility:
Skadoodle died with 3.8k worth of utility
autimatic died with 2k
n0thing 1.6k
Stewie 2.4k
shroud 2.2k
However, Byali died with 5k and NEO 5.4k so not all that bad. Pasha is the real utility-user of the match, only dying with 1.4k in total utility over all the rounds. For completeness: TaZ died with 3k, Snax 2.2k.
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u/gineus Jul 19 '17
That dry peek from n0thing on pop was a killer
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u/Furryyyy Jul 19 '17
I watched that happen and thought "No, you can't do this n0thing, NO FUCK HE'S DOING IT WHY"
He was dead before the thought even finished.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 19 '17
Late-game, it's not so bad. C9 don't have a deep stratbook to fall back to when they are in trouble; they go for solo plays, especially by Stew and autimatic. It's debatable whether they are good or bad, but they are definitely high-risk. I can understand the decision making, C9 felt like the basic stuff wasn't working and risks were needed.
However, n0thing dry peeking ladder, Stewie roasting in a molly trying to peek brown halls from upper with an M4, those 2 cost C9 very important rounds.
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u/DiamondHunter4 howl Jul 19 '17
Not just that but Skadoodle missed a bunch of AWP shots late-rounds where they could've maybe made a comeback on the T Side whereas earlier in the major he was playing amazing CS.
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u/GuyLeDoucheTV Liquid Jul 19 '17
I hope VP somehow wins the whole thing.
Then C9 can feel okay
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u/an_brazilian_guy SK Jul 19 '17
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u/DiamondHunter4 howl Jul 19 '17
No way, VP was the WORST team they could've faced. G2/Fnatic is fine cause both teams are kinda slumping right now and C9 vs G2 before was really close. F3 and Immortals also would've been easier than VP I think, no one is as good as VP in crunch games like this.
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Jul 19 '17
Cool, I supported c9, mouz, g2, navi, and faze... This major just no lube fucked my ass
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u/ButteredGhost Jul 19 '17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUr7sT0l1v3
Maybe if we could win one goddamned pistol and not get eco'd this major. Oh well, WP to VP, I sincerely hope they go all the way
Get em' next time Ska
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u/SRMustang35 Jul 19 '17
Is no NA teams in the Major playoffs enough to finally push NA teams to do a shuffle?
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u/Worknewsacct 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
0% chance. NA cashflow is not really impacted by performance, and cashflow dictates NA orgs.
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u/SwizzlyBubbles CS2 HYPE Jul 19 '17
QUOTE OF THE GAME: "What...is C9 doing?"
Just such a lack of any sort of communication and the plays being disorganized. It was just a mess, especially once VP started getting really aggressive.
GG, VP. I do hope the home crowd is very, very happy and may I wish them luck.
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u/mertksk- Jul 19 '17
Watching shroud let pasha walk out A with his back turned to him on round 14 was so damn painful
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Jul 19 '17
On top of that n0thing's death before that in the same round...
What gets me it how out of position shroud was in that play, and pasha lit him up knowing he would peak it.
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u/are_you_a_walrus FaZe Jul 19 '17
Name a more iconic duo: VP and legend status
I'll wait
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u/cyberbemon Jul 19 '17
I'M SO FUCKING HAPPY, can't wait to heart the roar of VP fans. It's been a long time since I've heard it. Polish fans are the best! man I'm gonna fucking cry!
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Jul 19 '17
That was not the same C9 that was at Cologne, so many bad plays and lack of teamwork. Pretty disappointed right now.
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u/gineus Jul 19 '17
It wasn't even the C9 that played earlier against Mouz
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u/DogBrethh Jul 19 '17
This ^ . I was super confident they'd be able to handle VP after watching the mouz game this morning. Was really shitty watching this lol.
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u/TheHuntingHunty Jul 19 '17
There was a lot of dry peeks by C9 without flash bangs to cover them. C9 walked into the scope of an AWP so many times on their T side.
Lack of awareness also cost them after-plant rounds where one teammate died to connector, then another player has his back to connector a few seconds later.
Well played to VP, but sloppy play from C9 cost them their T side.
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u/Cameter44 Jul 19 '17
I just don't think their Train is as good as they think it is. Should've left it down to Cobble and Mirage imo. Train is way too inconsistent for them while Mirage is their best map and they're at least consistent on Cobble.
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u/pikslik ar_baggage Jul 19 '17 edited Nov 23 '17
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u/MWatters9 Jul 19 '17
shroud makes or breaks this team
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u/gineus Jul 19 '17
The one where he took to long to even move in ivy that papa got the arm snipe on Ska was brutal
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u/Waffliez FaZe Jul 19 '17
VP losing to an NA team? I aren't think that.
Even in their slump they still are the NA killers.
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u/i_wave_to_koalas NiP Jul 19 '17
I've been sitting on some information that only I know. But I can't keep silent anymore. It's not right. I know this is gonna come as shock to many people, but the world has to know.
"autimatic pashabiceps" is an ANAGRAM for "I cum at a bait spaceship"
WHAT THE FUCK??
You can verify it here by inputing "autimatic pashabiceps" in the first box and "I cum at a bait spaceship" in the second.
What's the significance of this?? It has to mean something, but what? Why am I the only one that has mention this on the ENTIRE internet? I suspect someone is trying to cover this up...
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u/niconpat Natus Vincere Jul 19 '17
The really fucked up thing is the fact that you know this. The big question is how do you know this?
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u/Ontyyyy CS2 HYPE Jul 19 '17
death, taxes and Skadoodle not making the play-offs
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u/snorlaxCSGO Liquid Jul 19 '17
death taxes, redditors using the same jokes every postmatch thread involving c9
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u/linkolphd de_nuke Jul 19 '17
Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fucking fuck are they losing? This can't be happening. I'm having a fucking breakdown. I don't want to believe this game is so broken. I want a future to believe in. I want seang@res to be coach and fix this broken team. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought they were playing well at Cologne???? This is so fucked.
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Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
THEY FUCKING DID IT THE BOYS!
Sorry to C9 Fans. I know how close it was. RIP :(
edit: wtf thanks for the downvotes? I'm not sure if my remark sounded sarcastic but it wasn't.
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Jul 19 '17
This is the 8th group stage exit for Skadoodle. Must be a curse at this point.
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Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
Or maybe he's just not good enough?
I've never made it to a Major, I must be cursed.
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u/nnosco Jul 19 '17
Yup, you get heart attacks watching VP even in 16:10 games.
Can't imagine how C9 fans feel right now though..
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u/PaTcHiZzEl7397 Jul 19 '17
It sucks. You get invested, you get hype, and then you get hit with a wall of "CLOWN9" from everyone in every chat. Sucks a lot.
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u/nonresponsive Jul 19 '17
I love that patience by VP at 15-9 round. They had money to force a few rifles, an awp, and a UMP but with no grenades basically. They take the save (because they're not in a hurry), buy a couple armor pistols, and the second they get 2 kills, and are in a 3v3. They immediately see they can't win the round run to save those guns. And that just means even more utility for the buy round. Whoever made that call I think really won them the game.
It's funny because it reminds me of C9, can't remember against who, but it was the insane comeback where they kept force buying pistol armor and trying to win the round. VP just like, we should focus on buy rounds. 100% secure the win, don't even try to give an opening.
And at least VP retain legend status.
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u/GuyHelper Jul 19 '17
I know that the whole event isnt just Virtus Pro, but watching last 2 days with tickets bought was making my heart do things. Also Rip C9 was hoping both VP and C9 would be in PO.
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u/skywayz Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
Yo Shroud, you have the bomb down, and you're at E-box with a perfect post plant angle, you don't have to wide peek in the middle of the open to try to kill an awper across the map. It's not rank s
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u/IamBrazilian_AMA 500k Celebration Jul 19 '17
📞 4Head HELLO NA? 📞 4Head PROLAND HERE 📞 4Head GOOD LUCK NEXT QUALIFIER 📞 4Head
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 19 '17
byali played way better for most of this game, probably got quite a threat from snax
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u/SumBuddyPlays Jul 19 '17
Lol, Byali playing stupid makes me rage. He's like VP's Shroud, super inconsistent. But when he plays well it really helps the plow gain momentum.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jul 19 '17
Where is the Shroud from Cologne?
Is in the middle of A site afterplant, shoots 3 bullets reloads, dies from the side while reloading. Pasha walks up Ivy no smoke with an awp shoots Ska in the side and then kills Shroud who was supposed to hold Ivy. Afterplant 2VS2 instead of holding flank, runs out and dies to an awp after his teammate died.... And not covering n0thing planting on A is unforgivable at this level, simply get ouf of the tournament. I had hopes for Shroud and was defending him for a long time but after seeing this game vs VP and G2, he simply can't perform at Majors. He is psychologically a weak human being that breaks down like a twig in these situations.
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u/tgsan Jul 19 '17
I think both shroud/n0thing need to go, and honestly 1-2 of those things shroud did (not trying to make excuses, just being realistic) could be the team saying something or just a pure fuckup, for the leaving alley alone and reloading respectively, maybe he hit r on accident? we've all fat fingered before. If shroud kept up from Cologne, that'd be nice, but then again he was entrying quite a bit there, and didn't seem like he ever entried at the major? maybe VERY few times?
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u/Hrothgarex 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
Shroud lost them at LEAST 3 rounds. So many times he just ran out after they had bomb down and got killed. IN 2vX SITUATIONS.
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u/Cameter44 Jul 19 '17
C9 lost didn't make it out of groups because of pistol rounds and the following second rounds. They won 3/10 pistol rounds but lost the second round on two of them. That could've been the difference against G2 and with money to start one of the halves against VP who knows what could've happened.
It's a problem they've had forever and it's really disappointing that they continue to lose games because of it. Also, the random drawings didn't do them any favors whatsoever.
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u/Santro12 Virtus.pro Jul 19 '17
VP vs NA BABY
To the Tauron Arena we go!
Kudos to C9, would love to see them in playoffs too, unlike draw in the 2-2 round for my inner c9 fanboy
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u/wigan77 10 years coin Jul 19 '17
📞 4Head HELLO NA 📞 4Head EU HERE 📞 4Head WHY SO QUIET? 📞 4Head
sorry no offense, gg
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u/Cavi7 Virtus.pro Jul 19 '17
Ehh... Bitter sweet victory. I love VP, but I also love C9. Well, I guess the VP fan in me is stronger as I'm from Poland, but still, wanted to see both teams in playoffs :C See you all in Krakow! Can't wait, my first major I'm actually attending :D
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u/GlalieWasTaken MOUZ Jul 19 '17
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u/Ajhale Jul 19 '17
C9 went 2-8 in pistol rounds this major. Both pistols they won; they lost the 2nd round lol
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u/quzken Virtus.pro Jul 19 '17
Three things are certain in life: death, taxes and VP beating NA teams.
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u/Esg876 Jul 19 '17
THANK GOD, THIS TEAM DESERVES TO PLAY IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME CROWD, but by god was I scared
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u/Stannis_The_Mantis G2 Jul 19 '17
when I die make C9 my pallbearers and make my funeral a major so they can let me down one last time.
On second thought, make my funeral an online tournament so they resurrect me or some shit
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u/Stranded_Monkey Liquid Jul 19 '17
If Cloud9 wants to make it out of groups they should tell themselves its not a major.
Cologne stops being a major and they made finals.
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u/Healer_JVG Liquid Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
As a C9 fan, I'm thoroughly disappointed once again by the same mistakes they've lost to.
Site and after plant positions are utterly horrendous. How many times does it have to happen to C9 having a player planting the bomb and not ONE person cover the bomb planter?
Also C9 has a really bad problem with players covering the same positions in after plant situations. I don't know how structured out they talk about it but I really do hope they fix those poor after plant positions. I'd say they should look at SK or Astralis because those 2 teams have great site and after plant positioning.
As a viewer, C9 makes the same mistakes and they keep trying to counter it with their individual skills. That's the same problem with G2 and Faze. Why don't they try fixing plausible static mistakes that always happens within the team?
Good ups to VP, they may even be a finalist once again. Hopefully we can get SK vs VP as a final.
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Jul 19 '17
Such an infuriating game to watch, Jordan walking into popdog and dying when they know there's someone there sums it up for me. Made me want to smash my screen. Oh well, better for me I suppose, I guess my screen is safe until the next major then.
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u/AwesomeGamer026 G2 Jul 19 '17
Pasha and Taz having lots of impactful rounds. Hope they keep it up for the rest of the major.
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u/antelope591 Jul 19 '17
I think VP would've struggled to qualify for the next major if they didn't make it here...it was more relief on their faces than anything. I'm happy to see them make it to the arena.
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u/LordNelson27 Parivision Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
When 3 of the top 5 teams don't make it to playoffs. In fact, only 3 of the top 10 made it into playoffs of the major. Just goes to show how close the scene is, and anyone can pull a few wins oit
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u/Origin22 Jul 19 '17
gut wrenching. stewie and tim deserve better. something has to change within this team, jordan is maddeningly inconsistent and shroud just doesn't have what it takes to make c9 a top team.
OpTic is def making changes, and Liquid could potentially have some players available. elige, rush, stan, twistz, and tarik should all be on c9's radar.
Still a good fight and proud of the guys, heads high!
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u/tarangk clutch Jul 19 '17
those VP rating omg
1.23, 1.21, 1.20, 1.20. 1.19 jesus wow talk about teamwork
also C9 :(
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u/wobmaster Jul 19 '17
Why VP won is partly reflected in their ratings. Between the worst and best player there is only a difference of 0.04!!!
Crazy balanced performance from the whole team.
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u/chucksunye Jul 19 '17
C9's mid round calls were god awful especially after they lose man advantage. Also why no pauses? They used only one.
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Jul 19 '17
Damn .. VP just proved everyone wrong again. They're Legends .. Again. GG Hope they'll show a better form this Major. They have a real good chance to reach the finals. Let's go
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Jul 20 '17
Got my first souvenir package from this map when Neo was the MVP. Sawed Off Amber Fade, shit condition. As a c9 fan it hurts, but I'll use this over my Sawed Off Limelight that I also never use.
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u/TRFlippeh Cloud9 Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
I just don't understand why they'd play Train
Edit: "They" being Cloud9
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u/FireFlyz351 Jul 19 '17
I would've rather it come down to Mirage Inferno over Train. Regardless of what form VP is in they know Train off the back of their heads.
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u/e4mica523 Jul 19 '17
GG Cloud9. 2nd favorite team and sucks they won't be at the arena. Time and time again VP manages to become legends. What a team
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Jul 19 '17
I swear every time I watch a VP game I just scream "HOWW??" every round and bang on my desk
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u/Ninjaflipp bravo Jul 19 '17
On the bright side of things, at least this is nothing new for C9 fans
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u/Duskav3ng3r117 Virtus.pro Jul 19 '17
Really sad that it had to turn out like this. My 2 favourite teams for an elimination match. Maybe next time C9.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jul 19 '17
I feel so bad for him, because it was his very first Major. Skadoodle had 4 very good maps and 1 poor one despite losing 3 out of 5 games. Stew had an ok performance but he was managing the team. N0thing a below average performance and Shroud an absolute flop of an event, basically not present on the server with - 33 over the whole tournament.
Shroud has to go, n0thing is another discussion.
Stop wasting Stew's and Autimatics prime on this mess of a squad. You are literally robbing them from placing well at the Majors ( yes Shroud ).
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u/amadeusTM guardian_elite Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
I'll be clear, yes, I was rooting for C9 in this game, yes I knew they probably wouldn't have won. But this match-up just proves how unfair the draws were. Immortals VS F3 for a Legends Spot, and then C9 VS VP for another one? Ridiculous.
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u/UandB Jul 19 '17
I can't be mad that they lost to VP. I really can't.