Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season - Episode 74 discussion

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Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season, episode 74

Alternative names: Attack on Titan Final Season, Shingeki no Kyojin Season 4

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Episode	Link	Score	Episode	Link	Score
60	Link	4.65	73	Link	4.67
61	Link	4.57	74	Link	-
62	Link	4.71
63	Link	4.77
64	Link	4.9
65	Link	4.73
66	Link	4.92
67	Link	4.81
68	Link	4.67
69	Link	4.53
70	Link	4.64
71	Link	4.52
72	Link	4.79

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[u/[deleted]]

Grisha’s Voice Actor fucking nailed it holy shit, gave me chills.

[u/Orannegsen → u/[deleted]]

Eren inherited his mental-pain scream

[u/bloc97 → u/[deleted]]

Nothing traumatizes more a child than hearing your parents argue about you...

[u/JoeyGameLover → u/[deleted]]

Reminded me of my parents when they were still together.

(I'm fine guys, just stressing the realism here, since it was really well done and actually did remind me of it.)

[u/[deleted]]

And parents of the year award goes to Grisha and Dina Yeager!

[u/i__rage → u/[deleted]]

Cant believe Sasha's dad is the best and wisest parent of the series

[u/Orrakai → u/[deleted]]

Imagine traumatizing your child so much that they feel it would be better if your entire race didn't exist.

cant regret living if you were never born

[u/Silent_Shadow05 → u/[deleted]]

Trying to brainwash your child into following what you want is bad. Grisha did a poor job at raising Zeke. No wonder why he raised Eren in a different way as he did not want to make the same mistakes.

[u/Neverx_13]

Holy shit, Grisha's VA was insane in this episode.

[u/Aileos → u/Neverx_13]

When he went crazy at home after finding out his son wasn't as good as he thought. That scream... oO

[u/[deleted] → u/Neverx_13]

I could feel the stress and tension Zeke went through in that scene just by the VA alone.

[u/Lekaetos → u/Neverx_13]

That scene when he screams, it fucking scared me

[u/benjadolf → u/Neverx_13]

He was pretty amazing last season too, those episode 20 and 21 last season had god tier voice acting.

[u/Yaggamy]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the true villain of the story is finally revealed:

Bad parenting

[u/alisonburgersm8 → u/Yaggamy]

featuring our hero Mr. Braus vs the big bad Grisha Jaeger

[u/[deleted] → u/Yaggamy]

Lucky Jeanbo and his doting mom.

[u/kitzz11 → u/Yaggamy]

Which is one of the main message of AOT that I adore a lot. If you want to have a kid, be responsible with it

[u/Mazen141 → u/Yaggamy]

Nearly every character has a shitty dad it seems, you got Reiner, Eren, Zeke, Historia and maybe even Levi if you count Kenny as a father figure to him

[u/JackTheRipper1001]

That was the NASTIEST cliffhanger. And I can't believe they made me actually feel bad for Zeke! Isayama is a madman

[u/rk06 → u/JackTheRipper1001]

Imagine if you have to wait for one month after that cliffhanger!

[u/Mazen141]

Xavier actually appeared in S3P2 Grishia flashback

[u/redboundary → u/Mazen141]

Xaver got revenge for grisha bumping into him. Good to know

[u/PaulLovesTalking → u/Mazen141]

He also appeared in the sequence where Zeke betrays Grisha in S3P2.

[u/david_pridson → u/Mazen141]

Nice catch

[u/JuicyDragonCat]

There is no plan, give me your balls

[u/Karl_the_stingray → u/JuicyDragonCat]

Finally Eldians can fuck without a condom, this trick will save them so much money!

[u/Lhezken → u/JuicyDragonCat]

I am thinking, if they can make that Eldians cant have more children, cant they make that they wont be able to transform into titans anymore? Like removing the eldian genoma /Dna or something so they cant transform into titans by any means..

[u/Mazen141]

This was easily one of the best AOT dialogue episodes ever

[u/Bypes → u/Mazen141]

Kruger was the guest star of Grisha's backstory and now we got Xaver for Zeke's. Both were crucial for either's survival and gave them their missions+powers. ^kino

Lost was the last show that showed me the pasts of so many characters, though Yams clearly likes to put defining moments in the childhoods of his characters.

Would be a lot harder to find matching child/teen actors for live-action shows, this is a huge narrative strength of animation and also serves as one more reason adapting AoT faithfully has a difficulty level of 100.

[u/_Lost_Sin_]

SNK Characters cope with the fact that they were born SNK Characters

Only suffering.

[u/[deleted]]

This episode explains a lot of what seemed like inconsistencies in Zeke's characterization.

Of course Zeke wouldn't feel an ounce of remorse about killing and titanizing so many Eldians. He genuinely believes that he's freeing them from suffering, and more importantly, protecting their potential children from a cruel world. That's why he could so shamelessly claim to have the best interests of Eldians at heart even after tormenting them.

It also explains his bursts of savagery in previous seasons, specifically during Mike's death and the suicide charge. Zeke hates fighting (remember him saying "war is a terrible thing" in Season 4 Episode 1). Even as a child, he was conflict-avoidant and content with life in the internment zone if it meant peace for himself and his loved ones. Furthermore, from his perspective, all of his suffering as a child was because his parents kept forcing him to participate in a losing battle against a cruel world. Zeke grew to see perseverance in a negative light, so when he saw Mike and the suicide charge fight against him despite their odds, he was likely reminded of his parents and got triggered.

To Zeke, "tatakae" was only ever an excuse for his parents to make him suffer.

Ultimately, Zeke was no mastermind, but an incredibly disturbed man. Having been forced to conform to two completely contradictory narratives in his childhood, Zeke rejected both Eldia and Marley and chose a nihilistic path that would end Eldia's and Marley's conflict through a soft genocide. The Eldia Restorationists' zealotry and Marley's propaganda combined to create a confused monster who thinks that death is freedom.

[u/konSempai → u/[deleted]]

I think it's unfair to downplay Zeke's smartness though.

In a lot of the cases his plan WAS really really good, he just can't account for Levi being a literal fighting god.

[u/[deleted]]

Poor Zeke just wanted his daddy to play with him🥺😭

[u/Iybraesil1987]

Man, watching this show from the start again after it ends is going to be such a fucking fun ride.

[u/MrSaltyFriday → u/Iybraesil1987]

I rewatched all seasons last week, its an intense ride. The best One in anime form for me

[u/kawaiiyokai → u/Iybraesil1987]

It's crazy how many hints and clues I picked up on doing a rewatch. Isayama is god tier.

[u/Sane-Ni-Wa-To-Ri]

End card for the episode!

(from official twitter)

MAPPA: Yung Zeke

(from MAPPA twitter)

Enemies

(from animator's twitter)

[u/Bypes → u/Sane-Ni-Wa-To-Ri]

precious monke headpat

[u/silentstealth1]

Zeke and Eren growing up together surrounded by a healthy environment and loving parents spinoff when?

[u/Mazen141 → u/silentstealth1]

AOT junior high is close enough

[u/steven4869]

Zeke might have lost his battles against Levi but this time he won the war, I don't know if Levi is alive or not after that freaking explosion.

[u/TheKnowhowTitan → u/steven4869]

Remember kids, never assume a character is dead, till they actually show their death. For all we knew, Zeke was dead in Assault.

[u/liveart → u/steven4869]

Even if Levi is alive he lost the horse, they're in the middle of no where, and Eren's coming for Zeke. Unless Levi decides to say "fuck it" and eat Zeke himself that's probably a win for Zeke and Eren.

[u/tiour]

Wow, what an episode. I haven’t felt that on edge watching something since declaration of war. The music choices were superb, the direction was at its peak, and despite being this late in production, the animation was actually keeping up.

How about that explosion!!! Mappa definitely saved their A game for that. The animation was amazing and the level of detail, especially in the eyes. Masterful work Mappa!

[u/iamkwang]

For Eren, being born is the ultimate triumph, but the world itself is a problem. It's broken and corrupted to such a degree that those who are born are denied the natural freedom and happiness they deserve. He fights to end the problems of the world, so that all those born into it might claim what is rightfully theirs.

For Zeke, it's the exact reverse. The world itself is good, but it's plagued by the problem of certain people being born into it. He fights to end the problem of birth, so that the world may be peaceful again.

Isayama is a genius.

[u/Gwynbbleid → u/iamkwang]

The "Because I was born into this world" of season 1 hits different now

[u/dark77638]

Zeke “There’s be no hate toward Eldian if there’s no eldian”

Eren: ok

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I do feel bad for him after finally learn his past, not that’s im gonna agree with his choice of action tho.

For a guy who going/relating to ‘cuz im already born into this world’ stuffs multiple time, immediately accept Zeke’s endgame is fishy af.

[u/thesagenibba → u/dark77638]

I don't think Eren actually believes in the plan. Like you said,

For a guy who going/relating to ‘cuz im already born into this world’ stuffs multiple time, immediately accept Zeke’s endgame is fishy af.

Eren has already said that he thinks just being born into this world makes you great, it makes you special. Unless he truly is unhinged, he definitely isn't following this plan. At least I would hope not, for my sake.

[u/TSmasher1000 → u/dark77638]

Something that is surprising me is that so many people are taking Eren at face value. The dude has literally been saying the whole series that everyone is special because they've been born and that they are all free. It's weird for him to suddenly change his viewpoint just with a talk with Zeke, but maybe everyone thinks he's changed that drastically even though he's still talking about how he is free when he was brutalizing poor Mikasa/Armin.

[u/LtLabcoat → u/dark77638]

Pretty much. Eren has had literally no indication so far that he thinks genocide is good.

[u/liveart → u/dark77638]

I definitely agree, plus we know Eren isn't above manipulation and back stabbing if it's 'for the greater good'. Hell, he even said he thought the deaths would all be for nothing if they did that but did a complete 180 when Zeke asked. Eren also isn't one to take people at their word or just trust some random dude claiming to be family, it's all suspect.

[u/[deleted]]

A little scene that I tought was really powerfull was when Eren called Zeke "nii-san". I felt for Zeke in that moment when he teared, even if I still hate. I can see now that he's and really great characters.

Amazing episode, one of the AOT's best

[u/Skyclad__Observer]

I really do love Zeke's motivations. They're kind of subversive in a good way. Zeke is presented as this mysterious "keikaku doori" figure who must have everything figured out and planned, but in the end he has probably one of the most emotionally driven motivations out of everyone. His desire to vanish along with all other Subjects of Ymir is simply a result of his fucked up upbringing. The euthanasia plan stems from two deeply broken people who essentially just want an "elaborate suicide", and Zeke's emotionally stunted mindset leads him to project his desires onto all other Eldians. It connects back to Willy's speech, and even Reiner's breakdown, where they confess moments of weakness in which they simply desire to vanish. Zeke's plan is a literal application of that sort of mindset.

Great episode.

[u/clique34]

Damn it seems like Grisha screwed two people, didn't he? And I'm not talking about Eren's and Zeke's mothers too.

I like Levi and he usually makes good decisions but when you threaten and tell a man that he'll get eaten and end his life.. you know he'll be desperate enough to trigger that weapon you impaled on his mid section.

I really felt bad for Zeke, man. Although I need to rewatch the episode to clearly see his motivations, it's just a cruel world for all of the Eldians.

[u/kkulvm → u/clique34]

This might have been the first time where I questioned a decision Levi made. His judgement must have been pretty foggy from hatred and grief.

[u/SolracXD]

Last episode: Fuck Monke

Now: Hug Monke

[u/yaserafriend → u/SolracXD]

But you gotta admit the irony here that the pacifist Tom made Monke into a deadly cannon by playing catch with him.

[u/[deleted]]

in a few hours this thread is gonna blow up

just like Levi

[u/Snajpi → u/[deleted]]

Not too soon, not too late, just in time.

[u/Kirikoh]

One fascinating thing is that Zeke doesn't realise that Eren was never raised like Zeke was and he was never brainwahsed or raised to know about this.

Zeke thinks Eren is brainwashed and needs saving because he presumes Grisha did the same to Eren but Eren has found out everything on his own and has come to his own conclusions.

We know from S3 that Grisha heavily regretted the way he approached the Restorationists because it led to immense failure and Krueger had to convince him to fight on.

Only when Eren in episode 1 said he wanted to join the Surveys Corp did Grisha say that he'll show Eren what's in the basement. He never coerced Eren. Eren was always righteous from birth and believed that "all humans are special and free the moment they're born".

That narrative framingwith Zeke is exactly what Zeke doesn't realise and why I believe Eren is completely bluffing. Through Paths and the Founding Titan, he probably knows everything about Zeke and realises they are completely different and Eren has a secret plan waiting, one that isn't anathema to his beliefs that people are special and free just for being born. Euthanasia/genocide is the least Eren-like thing that could possibly exist.

[u/Redo-Master]

Ahh two AoT episodes on same day!

[u/yaserafriend → u/Redo-Master]

“Prepare for trouble, Make it double”

[u/[deleted]]

Me: Im sure what Eren and Zeke are planning is for the best of everyone and its all just a big missunderstanding because they can't reveal whatever secret they have yet.

Eren and Zeke: https://i.imgur.com/qU2NJtd.png

[u/realFIZZY]

Me at the beginning of the episode: kill that bastard levi

Me at the end: I fully understand this bastard

[u/clique34]

Did Marley give Zeke the beast TItan as they figured he would be the best candidate to do Titan research? He clearly wasn't able to keep up physically nor did they depict much progression from his training other than his throw improving with age.

[u/Mazen141 → u/clique34]

I think it was mentioned that because he gave away his parents Marley had no doubt about his loyalty so that probably played a big part, and Xavier probably also put a good word in for him

[u/14MySterY- → u/clique34]

He threw his parents under the bus. His parents were the restorationists Marley was hunting. That alone moved up him to the ranks. He also have Ksaver vouching for him.

[u/Bypes → u/clique34]

Xaver probably vouched for his pitching talents and intelligence and coupled with his magnificent display of loyalty by fucking over pa and ma, I can see him getting the Titan considered the weakest.

[u/JuicyDragonCat]

Zeke's childhood may not be the saddest, but its definitely the most relatable

[u/Orrakai]

There is something deeply fucked up about a plan to save your people by making it so that they never have a future.

They basically decided to have their cursed bloodline end with them.

The people of the future will be saved by never getting the chance to say they wish they had never been born.

[u/realrimurutempest]

This thread is a few hours early. 😧

Zeke: lol he won’t kill his subordinates Levi: SIKE Levi: lol he won’t detonate the bomb Zeke: SIKE

Levi & Zeke both got majorly fucked up from that explosion. Is Levi dead? Since Zeke is a shifter can he still come back from this? It really felt like a whole generational cycle with Grisha trying to indoctrinate Zeke just like how Grisha’s dad was trying to indoctrinate him.

[u/berthototototo → u/realrimurutempest]

Zeke didn’t expect Levi to throw away the lives of his subordinates, and Levi didn’t expect Zeke to throw away the life of himself. They both underestimated each other in different ways.

Though... if we’re being honest Levi has no excuse lol. It was 100% his sadism that caused this, all he had to do was not put a thunderspear in him

[u/david_pridson → u/realrimurutempest]

Being Levi is Suffering

[u/Mazen141]

So Zeke's entire plan is to take away Eldian male's pp, huh?

[u/Martian_on_the_Moon → u/Mazen141]

More like balls.

[u/_Lost_Sin_ → u/Mazen141]

Don't know why it would be restricted to one gender. If a male Marlyean fucked an Eldian woman wouldn't the child still be a Subject of Ymir?

Probably just gonna Sterilize both and call it a day.

[u/[deleted]]

ever since zeke was born grisha and dina only used him as a tool to become 'eldia's savior' never once did they actually treat him like a kid. when he went to his grandparents house and was genuinely excited about reading the cat book instead of the consistent studying, it shows how much of a normal childhood he yearned for.

[u/Kirikoh → u/[deleted]]

It contrasts so perfectly with Eren's free upbringing completely devoid of it. Only when Eren in episode 1 said he wanted to join the Surveys Corp did Grisha say that he'll show Eren what's in the basement. He was raised completely normally until Eren himself came to the conclusion that living within these walls is not living and they were no more than livestock.

Zeke thinks Eren is brainwashed and needs saving because he presumes Grisha did the same to Eren but Eren has found out everything on his own and has come to his own conclusions.

[u/Taurus24Silver]

One of the Best AOT Episodes

Zeke backstory is one of my favorite reveals in AOT

MAPPA nailed it once again

[u/Gwynbbleid → u/Taurus24Silver]

Grisha screaming and Zeke crying was incredible done.

[u/SuhDude29]

This is the greatest AoT storywriting I've ever seen in an episode. This absolutely hit deep and made me cry. When a single episode can make a character go through to be amongst the top in AoT, amongst a flurry of absolutely incredible characters, it's a testament to how good Isayama's writing skills are. Zeke's perspective changes everything about how people view this story, as majority of the people believed him to be the big bad. It also outlines how beautifully it presents themes of parenthood, societal pressure, etc. Absolute 10/10

[u/The_icecube_under]

Grisha yelling at zeke was done so well to the point it brought back some memories

[u/kkulvm]

I promised myself I would never allow Zeke to be redeemed in my eyes, no matter how the story spun it, but damn. It’s not as if all of his actions are suddenly justified, but now I see he’s been just as brainwashed and screwed over as the rest of our anti-heroes, maybe more so. Also leave it to Isayama to create an emotional backstory for his pitching game...

[u/Foxus67]

Zeke basically is a mod in /r/antinatalism

[u/alisonburgersm8]

Friendship ended with Perfect Game - Hero - Midnight Sun.

Children of the Forest - Savagery - Sole Salvation is the new best 3 episode streak.

[u/Mazen141 → u/alisonburgersm8]

Declaration of war - Warhammer titan - Assualt- Assassin's bullet were also an amazing episode streak

[u/Frixeeen]

Holy shit man, Movie quality right there!

[u/Akash7713]

Summary of this episode

Zeke: Ereh, will u play ball with me?
ereh: k nissan

[u/Bypes → u/Akash7713]

Zeke teared up at the word brother and hid it by pushing his glasses :(

[u/Icy_Ad8122]

I’m surprised to see this thread being earlier than usual, but it’s not like I mind.

For my biggest impression:

Wow, I wasn’t entirely surprised to see the explosion blow both of them away, but the way it was animated by Mappa made me like it a lot. The cut-ins to Zeke’s flashback, as well as the contrast between both scenes. That’s what made the episode for me.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer this entire flashback segment to the actual titan fight between Zeke and Levi. There’s just something about the pay-off to this that I just couldn’t ignore, which is why I’m commenting now after weeks of lurking.

I’m keeping up with the anime but I’m not sure about how many episodes are left due to the schedule being changed around so much. Can anyone clarify?

[u/a_corsair → u/Icy_Ad8122]

Just one more

[u/Meapcuteee]

That Zeke and Ksaver scene was just....man can't believe i cried over not one but two Beast Titans...like i hated Zeke so much in season 2, even more so after he killed Erwin in season 3 but now he's my favorite character beside Eren...and they're completely opposite to each other too, Zeke just want to live peacefully in the walls while all Eren wants is Freedom...it's amazing how different these two brothers are yet they're both so beautifully written

Once again, I bow down to you Isayama

[u/[deleted]]

Aot new name is isekai father starts world war with sons from 2 dofferent mothers

[u/pepperminthippos]

Holy shit. I think that was the best Attack on Titan episode I've ever watched.

[u/Tux-]

Holy shit the levels of manipulation in this anime is insane.

And even yet, I still don't think that Eren will euthanise every single Eldian. There's no way that happens. I still believe he's on the path to destroy everyone else but Eldians, and yet, he told Floch and everyone else that his plan is about killing the rest of the world.

I really hope Levi doesn't die from the explosion - he has them Ackermann genes and should be more resistant, but still, taking it face-value is pretty damaging. Also, black smoke - easy indicator for Eren to know where Zeke is.

Next episode - the reunion?

"Only those who can abandon everything can make change" (or something like that) - Armin, S1

Me from the other thread. I did not expect that Eren would abandon literally every single eldian to make change. That's bullshit.

[u/pepperminthippos]

I just realized something y'all. Keith Shadis challenged his students to a fight to make sure they beat him up and save them from going to jail. What a guy. Damn.

[u/Smudy]

The threads are such a mess, wow.

[u/[deleted]]

goddamn that was something else

[u/MCSpyrosABG]

REJECT CUM RETURN TO MONKE

[u/[deleted]]

Eren agreeing instantly with zekke's euthanasia plan seems a bit fishy, Eren might have some ulterior motives here and don't forget the whole "historia impregnated by a random faceless farmer" thing is also fishy and what significance does it have in the story? Up until now each and every scence in aot was crucial for the plot progression. man, I am so excited to see where this story is heading.

[u/venpa1]

So next week last episode? How?

[u/thekilooni]

RIP humanity's strongest soldier. You will be missed.

[u/cppn02 → u/thekilooni]

He ain't dead until we see the body.

[u/Reemys]

Phenomenal episode. Up until now, this was a reflection on the complicated human history of oppression and living as oppressed, but here it transcends into domain of philosophy and ethics - is this inhumane, sacrificial plan "good" for the future of the world? Believing that this Euthanasia would end the pillars on which discrimination and oppression, violence and hostility and hatred stood for thousands of years. But is it a purely philosophical idea on Zeke's part?

This story lays bare what history is - individuals getting together. Tragedy of one spills unto another and they themselves must take part in this theatre of cycles of regret. And a lot of what will be said is absolutely a thing, absolutely sadly, in the human society. was and still is.

Zeke was brought up in a dystopian world, where he just by being born is considered to be bad or sub-par or whatever - he is not the same human being as others. Neither socially, nor physically, but mentally he has no desire to be a part of this power-oppression structure. And here a scheme would be rather helpful to illustrate this relationship between what people believe in and how they impose it on others.

Grisha and his wife lived a long time under oppression and formed a mindset that alienated Marleans and revered Eldians as victims of oppression. They were correct, from the contemporary understanding of justice, whatever happened to Eldians throughout the series is clearly bad and unjustified. People hating other people for the sins of their fathers, hundreds of years ago. This is, however, just a single layer - we also know that Marleys optimized this institution of oppression; as Foucault, reading whom is as painful as watching this tragic masterpiece, would have said - there is a distinct governmentality approach to the interment-Eldians, who are integrated in the power structure in such a way that there is no direct "Nazi-Jews" relationship. Eldians are promised a better life for their loyal use of their "curse", which some gladly take, but others rebel against.

Grisha, however, gave in into the "justice" narrative. It was absolutely alien to Zeke, who saw people having fun and searching for the same kind of emotions. He started trying to impress his father to gain parental attention, rather than merely expect him to show affection. However, Grisha would clearly have none of it - for him, Zeke, his child, was a tool of grinding the bour terrible Marleans. Once on the top, now on the bottom, Grisha was prepared to do everything to give the "king of the bloody hill" status back to Eldians.

But Zeke would have none of it either. He was not poisoned with mutual hatred^{just yet} and sought recognition with another adult, who was just as free from the vices of men as he was. Zeke resisted imposing of the values by his father, despite clearly understanding the reasons from both sides' perspectives. Their personal ideals put them on different scales, with Zeke landing on one free of history.

Ksaver was portrayed beautifully and as tragically. He had to tell a child to send his own parents to purgatory - if only to save that innocent child. At that point, both of them started growing on an absolutely another scale.

When Zeke realized the extent of power of the Founding Titan, he transcended into an idea. No more was he a part of the human world, full of conflict, opinions, filth in any of its forms - Zeke became a philosophy. None that happened to him was of concern, he did not hate neither Marley nor Eldia - but he had enough of both of them. A plan to forever dismantle not the "other", but the structure, the "system" which enables this cycle of oppression itself.

Zeke, as an individual, took an idea that promised him a hope for others - despite clearly inflicting grave pain unto himself and numerous people in the process - a hope for a future without the Titans. Whatever that power is, whatever the reason it was given to people, it became a source of insurmountable tragedy and only removing it from the equation would, in his idea, stop the result from being a negative.

Eren, through his own horrifying empirical evidence, reached the conclusion that Titans had to go. Or, at least, he said so - we do not see him accepting the ball. But what of others, wouldn't someone after an extensive talk agree that there is no other way to break the cycle? Jean, Connie, Armin, Levi or Hange? A great sacrifice for them, but a brighter future for those who come after. Is this not how many great feats and terrible sins were justified throughout the history?

The main question is thus, for a personal (or authorial) answer - how should see Zeke? He is not a negative character: his intentions are pure, he can be sympathized with due to his experience, his deeds can be understood as devoid of morality - a force of nature that is set to dismantle a tree of oppression (forgive me for all the metaphors) without any regret or reservation. Those who survive would (theoretically and, most importantly, believably) build a civilization without as much tragedy. Maybe they would even abolish the history itself, making Francis Fukuyama proud. In 500 years, Zeke would receive a majestic statue as the liberator of all of humankind. The one individual who broke the chains of hatred, the cycle of tragedy that no one else managed before.

What is more important - immediate justice? The prospects of a brighter future? Preservation of life at all costs? I dunno stay tuned, because even if Isayama does not have an answer to this question, he will indubitably bring the audience a step closer to answering it.

[u/BosuW]

Xaver reminds me a bit of Hange. People who want nothing to do with war, they just want to study the world and all it's mysteries.

The theme of a cruel and beautiful world really shines this episode. The world is beautiful, because everyone who was born deserves to live, deserves freedom. Everyone is here because they were wanted, and their lives are important. This is roughly what Carla and Onyankopon believe. However, Zeke and Eren have come to understand that the world is also cruel, because even if everyone alive deserves happiness and freedom, not everyone can have it. A terrible misma of hatred has been brought into the land, infecting the minds of generation after generation, who come to despise the mere existance of one group or another.

Also, what the fuck do you mean the power of the Founder can modify the bodies of Eldians? To what extent exactly? Is there a cost? Why didn't the Eldian King at the time save his subjects from the plague sooner?

[u/[deleted]]

Society if parents in AoT just went to therapy:

[u/[deleted]]

Just here to say I adore Zeke, easily a top 4 character in the series for me.

[u/TatteredTongues]

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[u/myrmonden]

This is Why You Should Play Catch With Your Son

[u/zool714]

Before anyone has a go at Levi, 1) how else is he supposed to detain a Shifter ? 2) His first impressions of Zeke was him being a coward. Staying in the backlines at Shiganshina and running away after getting destroyed by him. So I think it’s reasonable for Levi to restrain him that way.

Besides, we’ve seen him be overly violent with his handling of Shifters. I’m sure beating up Eren in S1, while they still had no knowledge of his capabilities and allegiances, would seem like a pretty dumb move if Eren actually did transform then. He even said “Pain is the best way to train someone” so his methods with Zeke is still totally in-character.

Zeke didn’t expect Levi to kill his own men. Levi didn’t expect Zeke to actually detonate the spear. I guess they both underestimated each other’s resolve.

[u/Forsaken-Leading-920]

Is it just me or Eren calling Zeke "brother" the best thing ever?

[u/mapoztofu]

What's with the toys in aot

In one of the earlier episodes it was shown that zeke was playing with a monkey toy/teddy

Here Tom's son had wooden toys

A sheep above drawer

in the leftmost part of the frame 3 toys that looks like

Yelena, hange/mikasa, historia

[u/PhoenixFoxington]

Someone said "Zeke better have a good ass plan to justify calling all of these people so far". Well, I mean if mass genocide is the end goal...

[u/galileotheweirdo]

Oh my god, I love Zeke so fucking much. Never would I have thought I'd get a backstory on him. Good to see my theory was (almost) right - I'd predicted that Zeke and Eren's "Eldian Freedom" plan is literally to free Eldians from being alive using the Founder, so that they and the rest of the world never have to suffer again.

Former Beast Titan Tom Ksaver's impact on Zeke makes his character so vivid and fleshed-out. God, Isayama is a genius when it comes to these one-off characters that change the story forever.

[u/xdMrSavage1]

Ladies and gentlemen another 10/10 on imdb incoming soon

[u/crunchyrollhusbando]

Things like Zeke wearing glasses being explained makes me feel a degree of clarification so extreme even though it’s literally just glasses

[u/LonelyAsgardian]

This was quite the explosive episode. First Zackley and now Levi and Monke. The true final villain of AOT is random explosions killing major characters lmao.

All in all another masterpiece episode, loved hearing 0sk used as a soundtrack again; it’s one of the best tracks to come out of AOT and really enhances every scene it’s used in. Reiner, Sasha and Zeke are quite possibly the three characters who have been given quite the expanded roles in this half of the season. Can’t believe we won’t have more AOT for a while after next week :(

[u/[deleted]]

Zeke rn: "Time to castrate em all for pest control"

[u/NadeshikoAVlat]

Now we know that Zeke never needed glasses

[u/pumpyboi]

Two episodes of attack on titan is not fun, I feel ep 15 was way to real. It's too much info and trauma to process in under 40 mins.

[u/thismise4u]

There seems to be a massive fight going on here and it's of ideals and upbringings. Eren and Zeke had the same father sure, but their upbringings were seemingly different. Eren's mother, unlike Zeke's, did not pressure him with some "noble goal". She was content with him just being himself. Daddy seemingly at the very least learned a little bit from the mistakes he had made with Zeke and was attempting to do everything himself until he figured his time was up and placed all the burden on Eren. At that point though, Eren was already Carla's child and not Grisha's. Carla made a massively impactful line that Eren learned at the end of season 3 when talking to Shadis about her son:

"He's (Eren) is already special, because he was born into this world". - Carla

At least back in season 1 Eren believe that this ideology was important. If you remember what trigger's Eren's being able to gain control of his titan and carry the bolder was a certain string of dialogue he had with Armin:

Armin - "Why did you ever want to see the outside world?"

Eren - "Why do you ask? Isn't it obvious?"

Eren - "Because I was born into this world!"

There is no bone in my body which believes that Eren will go along with Zeke's plan to sterilize the Eldian people and deny others the gift of life that his mother gave to him. Eren obviously needs Zeke for his plans, but he cannot reveal that at this time for God only knows what.

TLDR: Zeke's childhood was miserable and he's a little bitch. Eren's wasn't as bad and had a mother that looked at him as if he wasn't a savior. Zeke wants to genocide himself whereas Eren wants to...well I have no idea but something else that isn't that.

[u/thatonebisexualweeb]

Im gonna share what I wrote on the r/attackontitan thread here too: Suddenly I'm getting the impression that Eren is the one using Zeke. There is no way Eren would just want to end eldians, he keeps saying to fight and survive, it doesn't make any sense. Eren is probably using Zeke's plan to carry out his own. Also, if Eren actually wanted to end eldians to also end titans, besides using the founding titans powers to make them unable to have kids they would have to kill all titans shifters after that and wouldn't that include Armin? Im glad to know Zeke's plan but I'm sure Eren is still hiding something.

[u/JosseCoupe]

Y did fucking 7% give it a "bad" rating? Are all those just Mappa hater scum?

[u/PhoenixFoxington]

GRISHA WAS A PIECE OF SHIT DAD.

[u/DadAsFuck]

ohayo porco, pieck, bertolt, marcel, reiner and annie

[u/Marco47_2]

This episode... Man.

I can't believe I'm empathizing with Zeke. I've hated this man for the longest time and now I'm so sorry for everything that happened to him.

But that still doesn't change how much hurt he has caused.

But still...

UGH I CAN'T DEAL WITH THIS WHAT THE HELL.

So I have a question: is next week's episode the season finale?

Because I read somewhere that this season was going to be 16 episodes long, but the story doesn't feel nowhere finished.

(I know that a Second Part or a movie may happen after this season ends, but I still feel like it can't end next week? Like, there'd be too many unanswered questions).

[u/kitzz11]

Eh?? Is the subs even out?? I’m super confused right now

[u/genesis1v9]

Best episode of the season. Direction, storyboarding, VAs, art.. everything on point. Chapter 114 is so underrated I’m glad it was so well adapted. And what a cliffhanger.

[u/steven4869]

How this thread got released so early? Are fan subs extremely fast?

[u/Thatsmaboi23]

Eren accepting Zeke is such a mind boggling moment to what pre-S4 Eren claimed, that he’ll keep moving forward “because he was born into this world”.

Either Eren changed a lot after that certain moment he talked about, or he’s lying to Zeke, but then again, he’s the most mysterious character this season (now that Zeke and Yelena’s plan has been shown).

[u/Aquaregia_25]

First Reiner and now Zeke . AoT really making me feel almost sorry for them.

[u/Gelbinator]

I really hope Levi is alive, but knowing this anime I have my doubts.

[u/JforJoeR0gan]

They really posted this so damn early. can't wait to see both get 20k+ karma. However on to the episode, maybe I am a prisoner of the moment, but this episode is now top 10 for me. Not top 10 of this season, not top 10 in all of AOT, top 10 all time. Why?

I've have begun to rewatch AOT with my family(they love it) and every time I see the titans I see how evil, misguided and truly mysterious they were. The introduction to the beast titan truly had my family shook, wtf, whys he doing this, where'd he come from. Seeing how far we are from that mindset, yet how connected this all feels is truly spectacular and goes to show how story driven this piece of fiction is.

Now to the episode, gorgeous animation, really damn fluid. I'm not a MAPPA suck up but this episode really delivered, music choice as well was amazing, and the voice actors were spectacular. However, if this was the only criteria to be considered a top 10 episode than almost every episode in season 3 part 2 of this show would be there, but they aren't.

Villains, what are villains? Villains are defined as : a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot. I look at this definition and all I can think is everyone is a hero and villain in this story, in some way, shape or form they all had evil intentions and good intentions. At this point I am at a lost for words as to how I can define the relationships of these characters, especially good vs evil.

This episode is top 10 because it delivers everything I ever want from character standpoint, truly a masterpiece of an episode.

edit 1: This was a bit rushed, I just had strong opinions on this episode.

[u/seninn]

Monkey needs a hug.

[u/Ljh_]

AOT gonna be 1st and 2nd on the karma list lmao

[u/akz23]

Does anyone actually think Eren actually believes in Zeke's plan (as well what he said to Mikasa and Armin):

"Because we've all been special since the day we were born. We're free!"

This is what Eren said in the return to Shiganshina in that epic 3DMG scene of him flying in the air as he shifts to Titan form to plug the hole. I don't buy it one bit. Eren clearly has hidden knowledge from the Founding Titan and perhaps others and this is a ruse for his actual master plan whatever that is.

But Eren is the last person in the entire anime universe that would ever bow down to such a defeatist resolution. I refuse to believe he would ever support a plan so antithetical to his beliefs.

[u/mrjk360]

Anyone else think that Eren has a different plan from Zeke and prob just wants to use his royal blood for his own means rather than having to bother Historia or something like that?

[u/Kyubeu]

So that's what's going on. Oh boy

Man, story of Zeke was very much needed, even if I disagree with him I understand what he believes and why he does so, poor guy. And Grisha... really Eren took after his father in every manner. That was very strong and even a bit moving. That's gonna end badly, no matter how it ends

Also, even if it won't happen, I would love to see that idiot Floch realising what Jaegers stand for and what he supported :D

[u/Anjunabeast]

3 things I never expected: Levi dying, feeling bad for zeke, and eren becoming the villain of the story. Well played Isayama.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Double AOT! Today is just delightful.

Although, why is this thread up already when neither DameDesuYo nor Crunchyroll has subbed it yet?

Edit: Ah, the end of this episode just brought back memories. Way back when S3P2 was airing, someone tried PMing me spoilers because my comment on its first thread made it sound like I was an anime-only, when it was just my first time watching the anime as it aired and I was already a manga reader at that point. Well, that last scene is what that idiot tried spoiling for me lol.

[u/Mazen141]

This episode reminded me of why Zeke is one of my favorite characters in this story

[u/[deleted]]

Great storyboarding. They nailed everything this episode.

[u/Toonamigamerrr]

All Zeke wanted is to play catch with his Father 😭💔

[u/[deleted]]

Xavier > Ksaver tho 😢

[u/In_a_silentway]

Man Zeke was just too pure for the world. Grishia really was a terrible parent to him. They really didn't love him. They just viewed him as a means to an end, and promptly throwing him aside when he couldn't live up to there insane expectations.

[u/Yatsugami]

Grisha va 🔥🔥

[u/eggycarrot]

Rip everyone who got abused by their parents when they were young. They must've gotten flash backs in that Grisha yelling scene

[u/Eesti_pwner]

I can't believe Eren agrees with Zeke's plan. I really can't. And even if he does, this season has had too little Eren for me to be satisfied with this development. It's not bad necessarily but something feels off.

Eren always talked about freedom. He wanted to get outside the walls to be free. He wanted to remove the threat of Marley to be free. He god damn berated Armin and Mikasa last ep for supposedly not being entirely free. And now he essentially wants to take the same freedom away from all Eldians? I am not saying that Eren can't be a hypocrite and of course freedom has often come hand in hand with trampling on others' freedoms but still, it feels sudden.

I will need to think this over for a bit before I reach my final conclusion. Though since we are going on a break in 1 week's time, there will be plenty of time to agonize and speculate.

Right now my kneejerk response is that Eren is planning to betray Zeke at some point. But I guess there is nothing left to do but to wait and see.

Also: So little Historia this season, even though she is the queen of Paradis. I undestand that most of the important stuff is done by the advisors and military but she should still play some part.

TL:DR - Too few scenes of Eren this arc (or even season) to figure out what is really going on inside his head.

[u/Insecticide]

I am a manga reader and this is honestly the most well adapted episode Attack on Titan we ever had. The voice acting, the transitions, the small flashbacks made the whole thing go from a 9/10 to a 56/10, this episode was insane.

Unfortunately, action episodes tend to do better but I think this will definitely be an episode that at the end of the series people will look back and consider it as being one of the best.

I hope they can give that same treatment to the other anticipated chapters that are yet to be adapted.

[u/Sorrowful_Panda]

This and last week made me realize how much people care about the ranking/karma/upvote threads.

My anime is the best because it got so many upvotes11!!!1!!!

NOOOO THE MODS RUINED IT STOP RELEASING THREADS EARLY WAIT FOR OFFICIAL RELEASE REEEE

[u/[deleted]]

Does anyone actually believe that this is Eren's plan? Seems highly unlikely from everything we know about his motives and it doesn't really solve the issues faced by eldia right now.

More like Eren is going to straight up use the wall Titans to kill everyone who isn't eldian.

[u/sirkiru]

Are Zeke's glasses actually Ksaver's? Ksaver didn't have them on when Zeke ate him, and then there's Zeke asking Levi where they were right after waking up.. :(

[u/6rubtub9]

I am going to watch 73 and 74, wish me luck guys..!

[u/WildSimple9]

So, I was re-watching season 3 earlier and missed a detail on my first watch.

During the reveal on the truth behind the titans, it was mentioned that, If the person who has inherited one of the Nine titans dies without passing it on, then that titan power would be inherited by a random baby of Eldian woman.

And we have Historia being pregnant here. Is Zeke and Eren really betting on that baby to inherit the founding titan (Eren) if he dies without transferring it? What even is the odds of that happening to Histora's Child?

[u/[deleted]]

I’d like to point out, mainly since I haven’t seen it here yet. Eren says: “There’s no greater salvation than never being born in this world.” Which, coincidentally someone posted the scene just recently where Keith Shadis told Eren about his parents and what his mother had said: “He’s special because he was born into this world.” I’d like to think the phrasing being so close was absolutely intentional in implying that Eren does not actually agree with Zeke, that he’s saying this to appeal to Zeke and get his help. Maybe I’m grasping at straws, but really, I’d hate for something that seemed like such a defining moment for Eren and his self-growth to be thrown out completely.

[u/neonroli47]

Child Abuse: The Episode

[u/sauravks63]

Time to time we are reminded why anime is on next level. Hands down the best episode so far and much needed Zeke's perspective in the series.

[u/Hentai-hercogs]

Small zeke is precious and should be protected even if he's bit of a rude monke now

[u/nigg0o]

so we going anti-natalism with this shit, ballsy

[u/[deleted]]

Kinda unfair that the average will be taken for both karma 😭 one woulda defo got 20k on its own

[u/ButtholePasta]

At the very least, I think this episode tells us that Floch and the Jaegerists are also being manipulated against their own best interests and don't know at all what either Zeke or Eren are planning. The Jaegerists want a New Eldian Empire, and while they blindly follow the Jaegers, I don't think someone like Floch's idea for an empire is to have themselves die out after one generation. The Jaegerists do not give off the vibe of "if only we weren't born" but rather Eldian pride above others.

[u/AtlasExiled]

Do I hate Zeke? Yes. Did this episode make me feel for him? yes. Does Zeke's death(even though its not 100% confirmed) mean Eren is alone in a leadership position where he could chose to do anything? Yes Have these last couple episodes made me feel like I might hate Eren by the end of the show? Also yes.

Finally, will AOT end up being my favorite anime of all time?

[u/Darksoldierr]

There is no fucking way Eren agrees with Zeke with this plan, he is all about being special just because born into this world.

Eren must do some backstabbing, he just had to distance everyone for himself to save them or something

What a great episode

[u/MilkToastKing]

Holy FUCK.

Hands down, one of the best episodes in the series, no strings attached.

There is no "it's great... but" here, this was just a fantastic episode from start to finish.

The direction this episode was top-notch, all of the cuts and shots were great. The rain shots at the end? Bangers. The shot where Mr. Ksaver's past overlayed itself onto the present? Banger.

The ART was fucking phenomenal throughout the entire thing, easily some of the most consistent that Mappa has been. This goes for all of the characters, but also the gorgeous backgrounds. It was also eerie how much 19y/o Eren looks like adult Grisha, the art direction did a really good job at capturing that.

This episode had multiple incredible stand-out pieces of music. Every orchestrated piece was near master class, especially the piano piece that played when they showed Zeke living his life as a child; It was a beautiful companion piece to his story. The dramatic music when Zeke hid from his parents was terrifying. The piece during Mr. Ksaver's breakdown was also quite effective, as was the synth piece that played when Grisha and Eren met.

This episode was easily just as impactful to me as "That Day" and "Attack Titan", I really loved it.

[u/JoelMahon]

why can't they enact the plan when zeke says "better not touch now"?

[u/The_Draigg]

You've heard it from Zeke here folks, the true villain of Attack on Titan is actually the strength and potency of Eldian sperm, more or less.

[u/need_help91]

Zeke's backstory was done justice, 11/10 episode.. Grisha scenes especially were amazing.

[u/YoungGP]

This is the best episode of Attack on Titan

[u/[deleted]]

I'm still unsure of eren's plan. Is he just telling zeke what he wants to hear for his own personal plan? Hmm

[u/Jarimzul]

I haven't seen any comments about it yet, but was that Falco's dad or something in the room with Grisha talking about the Owl influencing the decision to be a warrior candidate? They said "Grice" and he looked very similar

[u/[deleted]]

Reminder that this season WILL NOT adapt all the events in the manga . We will most likely get a final season part 2

edit: typo

[u/[deleted]]

I refuse to believe Eren actually believes in ending the Eldians' reproductive capabilities. I am going to assume he is just pulling a fast one on Zeke and will betray him, I just can't see him, after all this time, essentially A) betraying his entire people and b) abandoning his rallying cry from day one, that he deserves to exist because he was born into this world. Absolutely no way he actually is following Zeke, I think Eren hopefully realizes that Zeke is projecting his own hopes onto Eren and as such is vulnerable to being manipulated by him.

[u/FrizFroz]

Two opposing perspectives from two parent figures, inside different walls.

Carla, within Paradis' walls: ”He's already special, because he has been born in this world.”

Ksaver, within Liberios's walls: ”If only I hadn't been born in this world.”

[u/[deleted]]

zeke wants to make a no pee pee plan

[u/Protect_the_Weak]

People in this thread lack the sympathy towards Zeke's father. He was a victim, since young was treated not as a human being, and his sister was killed with no justice given to those who killed his sister. His feelings of wanting justice was fine, but he brought his wife and his kids into this mess... but what can he do as 1 man?

He... well, his situation alone was very sad. Zeke being pressured like he did was understandable and unavoidable. Discriminations for the past thousands of years would have been resolved during their time, but Zeke had to be bad at being a good student. Terrible.

Losing hope, depression from Zeke's father is understandable, but I think it is unfair to see the father as a clear villain because he is also a victim of the society, and the society made him who he became.

Pretty sad about Zeke's mother, she was brought into the revolution squad thing because she hoped for there to be liberation, and she was betrayed by her own son, and made into titan, and killed, unlike Grisha who was still able to live and basically pay for his sins. His mother was not aggressive to her son like Grisha was, but she also was a victim of society and her husband as well.

People are so quick to fling villain or hero, but this show reveals that it is not as simple like that. The true villain is the society, and the society has to be fixed to prevent these kind of desperate minds to come to exist.

[u/BlueDragon101]

So Eren's full of shit. There's no way "I'm special enough from being born into this world" is gonna go for that plan, of all things.

[u/raknor88]

So if I'm understanding this right, Zeke thought that their father had tried to brainwash Eren the way that he tried to brainwash Zeke? So that's why Zeke was going to try and 'save' Eren from their father?

All of the Yeagers are insane and it all boils down to bad parenting. Plus the entire country putting the sins of ancestors on to the children.

[u/Abh1laShinigami]

Anime: Sympathise with this guy who you thought was an absolute POS
Me: ok...

Anime: SIke he kamikazed

[u/thedickkicker]

Every eldian after the euthanasia:where are my balls zeke

[u/pepperminthippos]

crazy that this ep is probably still gonna break 16/17k despite having thread confusion

[u/Ilmerian]

Probably the best episode of the season, everything was just perfect.

[u/Gmuni]

When your parents find out you failing at the parent teacher conference 😬

[u/PhoenixFoxington]

This eldian body reconstruction thing.. Are we sure this is the way we wanna go with this Zeke.... Think of the possibilities!

[u/iTZAvishay]

I feel like I'm missing something, why didn't Eren and Zeke carry out their euthanasia plan when they met? Why delay it?

[u/YesNoMan58]

This show is so good at making me like characters after finding out more about them. I really can’t hate anyone. Dr. Ksaver is a real one.

Why did the cart explode at the end though? Did lightning strike it? I’m so confused.

[u/Sandman1920]

MUST RESIST TO READ MANGA.

[u/Jjooeeyy34]

Usually 1 episode feels like 5 mins. Did they really have to make 2 episodes collectively feel like 5 mins? I can’t deal with 2.5 min episodes man...

[u/ErwinSmith850]

Holy shit even compared to the manga, this episode was absolutely stunning. Also glad they fixed the beast titans cgi

[u/BadBehaviour613]

I am watching some Saiki K for some levity afterward. These 2 episodes are straight up brutal.

[u/hudsolo2]

Best episode of the series in my opinion

[u/zapgator]

Pretty sure Erens just using and manipulating zeke for his own goals because there's no way eren is on board with killing off the entire Eldian race.

[u/DeathToBoredom]

People talk shit about grisha yeager, but just remember, he's only human, and he wanted to give Eldians a future. He just failed because he's the first to try and build a revolution in a completely unfair world. It's literally like trying to win a million dollars at a casino with only $1. You can do as much research as you'd like, analyze all you like, but it's a game of chance in the end. And you know it's never really in your favor. It's rigged from the start.

Either way though, I wonder how it will all end. Because in all fairness, the world would be better off without eldians. They've caused too much conflict, as long as people know how they work, and this has been going on for so many years. We all want Armin's vision, but the fact is, the world is too cruel. And being a titan? Only like, 7 get to keep their consciousness and turn back to human? And only live 13 more years? While the rest can't keep their conscience and can basically live forever, being tormented and tortured for as long as they're alive. It's always going to be a vicious cycle and these 2 brothers know that for sure. Zeke, who experienced being under marleyan rule, and Eren, who inherited the founder's memories, and his father's memories.

The only question I have is, what about that baby in historia? I feel like there's a huge significance in that plot twist.

[u/Mr_1ightning]

POV: you're Levi

[u/clique34]

LAST EPISODE NEXT EPISODE OH NO. I only watched the entire season in like 3 mins.

[u/will1707]

Daddy issues, the anime.

[u/InternationalLab2529]

i really think this episode was one of the best episodes that AOT has had. the directing was great and the voice acting was even better.

grisha's voice actor especially has always done an incredible job, even in this flashback from season 1.

and now we finally know that it was ksaver / xavier who told zeke to sell out his shitty parents, because marley was on to the restorationists.

[u/cutarra]

8.33% of the votes in the poll are "bad". What's wrong with you guys?

[u/KrazyBean94]

Hold up. So Zeke's plan is to make all Eldians infertile by restructuring their biology using the Founding Titan, which will eventually wipe out the Eldian race??? And Eren agrees with this???

One of two things can happen in my eyes:

1. Eren actually agrees with Zeke's plan and goes ahead.

2. Eren will betray Zeke when the time comes, and use the Rumbling to fight for Eldia by wiping out the rest of the world.

Either way, it won't be pretty. Also, I refuse to believe that Levi is going out like that, so I'm not even going to exercise that thought.

[u/AegonVandelay]

Please, Eren... Say it ain't so.

Euthanasia is no plan. It's when you've given up. You're doing the oppressor's job for them, which practically means Zeke was who we thought he was the whole time.