r/TheoryOfReddit • • Jan 26 '22

Testing Reddit's new block feature and its effects on spreading misinformation and propaganda.

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Reddit recently announced changes to how blocking works. Here is a link to their post.

One major change is that blocked accounts will no longer be able to reply to submissions and comments made by the user that blocked them.

This sounds like an easily abusable feature that will among other things, lead to an increase in the spread of misinformation and propaganda on Reddit.

So, I did a little test, and the results were worse than expected. As manipulative as this all may seem, no Reddit rules were actually broken.

Over the past few days, I made several submissions to a certain large subreddit known for discussing conspiratorial topics. The submissions and comments were copied verbatim from another site that is the new home of certain large political subreddit that was suspended. The posts had varying levels of truth to them; ranging from misleading propaganda to blatantly false disinformation. Each post was deleted after several hours. All of the accounts have since been unblocked.

Before making any submissions, I first prepared the account by blocking all the moderators and 4 or 5 users who usually call out misinformation posts.

The first 3 submissions were downvoted heavily but received 90 total comments. Almost all of comments were negative and critical. I blocked all of the accounts that made such comments.

The next 2 submissions fared much better receiving 380 total karma and averaging 90% upvote ratios. There were only 61 comments but most of them were positive or supportive. There was already a very noticeable change in sentiment. Once again, I blocked any account that made a negative comment on those posts.

The next 2 posts did even better, receiving a combined 1500 karma and 300 comments. Both posts hit the top of the subreddit and likely would have become far more popular had I not deleted them. Again, most of the comments were positive and supportive. I continued to block any account that made a negative comment.

The next submission was blatantly false election disinformation. It only received 57 karma and had 93 mostly critical comments. This had the effect of drawing out dozens of accounts to block.

The next two submissions each became the number one post for that day before being deleted. Out of 300 comments, there were only 4 or 5 that were not completely supportive.

TL;DR and Summary:

I made a series of misleading or false submissions over the course of several days. Each time, I would block any account that made a negative comment on those posts. Each batch of new posts were better received with a higher score, farther reach, and fewer people able to call out the misinformation.

I achieved this in only 5 days, and really only needed to block around 100 accounts. People who actually want to spread disinformation will continue to grow stronger as they block more and more users over time.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Dec 14 '25 Popcorn Bravo

I indexed 89,000 NSFW subreddits and accidentally discovered Reddit's hidden evolutionary tree

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Dataset of All NSFW Subreddits Broken Down by Location & Category: https://nsfwdog.com

So I went down a weird rabbit hole recently. I went to index all 89,219 NSFW subreddits and figure out how they all connect to each other. What I found was kind of fascinating.

Reddit communities don't grow, they fracture.

You've probably noticed this yourself. A broad subreddit like r/ heels starts out fine. But once it hits maybe 50k subscribers, things get noisy. People start arguing about what belongs there. And then, almost inevitably, it splinters: r/ highheelsNSFW, r/ StockingsAndHighHeels, r/ TheyStayOn.

It's basically the moment a niche becomes distinct enough to need its own moderation rules, a new subreddit is born.

What struck me is that it's actually a really sophisticated classification system. Thousands of anonymous moderators over the past decade have essentially built a massive filing system for adult content. But because Reddit's UI doesn't officially support hierarchical tags or categories, this entire structure is invisible to most users.

But when you actually map out the NSFW sector, communities that seem random are actually positioned within a massive, invisible taxonomy.

The full dataset and categorization is available at https://nsfwdog.com if anyone wants to explore it. You can trace how broad categories branch into increasingly specific niches, and find micro-communities that Reddit's native search has essentially buried for years.

📌 Also, every SFW subreddit is available on https://sfwdog.com if you want the same discovery/search experience for non-NSFW Reddit communities too.

Curious if anyone else has noticed this kind of organic categorization happening in other SFW Reddit sectors, or if it's unique to NSFW communities because of how niche-driven that content is.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • May 26 '24 Diamonds are Forever Helpful Take My Silver Heart of Silver

Why is Reddit so overwhelmingly left wing and anti work?

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I’m a 36 year old blue collar guy. I was raised by a hard working middle class family. I was taught that nothing is handed to you and if you want something, you work for it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this way of thinking..

I’m part of numerous different subreddits and most of these subs are very similar to one another. It’s just a bunch of people trying to push this narrative that “America is racist” and having a good work ethic and working hard is this evil thing that should be looked down on.

I get downvoted and called the most vile, disgusting things just because I believe in having goals and working hard to achieve your goals. I don’t understand why Im basically getting rocks thrown at me from every direction. I feel like Reddit is so far detached from reality. It’s almost like I’m on a different planet where nothing makes sense anymore. Up is down, the sky is green, right is wrong.

When I’m not on Reddit and I’m living my everyday life or I’m on other social media platforms I run into more people who share my same views but it seems like on Reddit it’s mostly people pushing this left wing/anti work agenda. I very rarely see anyone who disagrees with these people. It’s the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen.

Reddit is clearly not balanced at all. Just seems like one giant left wing echo chamber.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Oct 11 '11

Did Digg make us the dumb? How have reddit comments changed in length and quality since it was formed? Which subreddits are the smartest? Do SDD drives fail as often as traditional drives? Find out all this and more (many graphs inside).

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Hello TheoryOfReddit! I have gathered data on reddit and reddit's comments for well over a year, and also gathered historical data to compare various metrics, such as grade level, length, swear words, etc. I compared how the comments are now to how they were when reddit started, or how /r/pics measures up to /r/truereddit. I tabulated and compared millions of comments, and here are the results.

I'll answer my last question first: SSD drives catastrophic failure rate is about the same as traditional hard drives, despite not having any moving parts. This might seem irrelevant to you, but it's probably the most relevant statistic of them all since I had all my data on my SSD drive and it spontaneously died. Of course I wasn't backing anything up. Long story short this was about six months ago so you should keep in mind all my charts stop there. The subreddit data is even older, about a year ago, since I hadn't dumped it into a chart in a while. I had thought about rebuilding all the data, but in the end it was too much work, especially since I'm just not as in to reddit as I was, so my interest has moved on to other projects. What this basically means is I never ended up doing a lot of the comparisons I had planned, and unfortunately can't perform any addition queries if you are curious about anything I didn't cover. So without further adieu: the results.

We'll start with the centerpiece of the show, the reading level that the comments are written at. As you might have expected, the reading level of reddit comments as dropped about a full grade level since it's inception. Flesch-Kincaid and Coleman-Liau are just two different ways of measuring grade level. The blue line is Flesch-Kincaid for the /r/reddit.com subreddit only. I wanted to make sure the inclusion of some of the joke subreddits like circlejerk wasn't bringing down the score for all of reddit later on, which as you can see it wasn't. I marked Digg v4 on the graph so we might see if there was a dramatic drop off in quality after we were flooded with Digg refugees, and as you can see, it's pretty apparent that there was not. I should also mention that that line roughly corresponds to the division between the data I got from crawling the homepage every day, compared to digging through old pages. Every data point after that line is based on around 500k comments, whereas the data points before it are based on anywhere from 50k to only 39 comments (3rd data point with the big drop), though usually around 10k. That's why you see some big spikes, particularly early on. You can see the exact numbers on the Google Docs sheet at the end.

Next we'll move on to comment length. A big complaint is that we have replaced substantive comments with quick one liners and puns, and comment length is a good way to see if people are discussing or just trying to make a quick joke or assert an opinion without backing it up. As you can see, comments are on average around 2-3 times shorter than they used to be. Once again, Digg had little, if any, effect. Reddit's rise in popularity took place well before Digg, and the jump from 50k people to 300k has a much greater effect than 300k to a million it seems.

Now we'll look at the actual content of the comments. I looked at how often certain things appeared in comments, internet slang (noob, pwn, leet, u, lol, lmao, etc, generally the ones I consider "stupid", so I didn't include TIL, IANAL, IMHO, FTFY, and stuff like that), insults (bitch, moron, stupid, idiot, asshole, faggot, etc), and swearing (fuck, shit, damn, etc). Unfortunately I lost my script too so I don't have the precise list of what was included, but those words are the gist of it. This graph show a pretty dramatic increase in all three. This is also the metric that makes me most regret losing my data, because the internet slang (the most telling of the three in my opinion) appears to be skyrocketing. This one is also the only one that makes a case for Digg having an effect, since the internet slang went up so much, though be to fair it was months after the supposed migration.

Real quickly here is a chart for no capital letter at the start of sentences, and no punctuation at the end. Surprisingly this one is pretty much constant. Also this graph is normalized so they can appear next to each other, no punctuation was actually about 7x more common.

This next chart tracks how often various celebrities were mentioned on reddit. It includes some people reddit loves, and some they hate. Here is the same chart with the huge spikes manually lowered so you can see the rest of data better. Now I'll admit here that the idea behind this one was to laugh derisively at reddit for how they profess their love of Tesla and absolute hatred for Beiber, but they still talk about the latter 10 times more. Ha ha ha, stupid reddit! But it didn't really turn out that way. Although Glenn Beck was really mentioned the most, and Beiber was in fact mentioned more often than Tesla usually, it was pretty even, though that's still a little sad to be honest. I'll never understand why people feel the constant need to affirm how much they hate Beiber. It's like they don't understand that music can be targeting towards entirely different demographics than themselves.

So in conclusion, for the history of reddit, the data basically backs up what we all knew, reddit has changed. We have replace longer, more intelligent comments with shorter, more insulting, more slang filled, stupider comments. However, a lot of people claim that we can get around this by simply subscribing to the better subreddits, and I'll look at this claim next by comparing the subreddits to each other. Will /r/TrueReddit live up to it's grand vision of a reddit of the past? Is /r/atheism smarter than /r/christianity? Find out...well now.

Again we'll start out with the main attraction, reading level. /r/gonewild and /r/nswf come out at the bottom, but I guess you can hardly count it against them since they are typing the comments with one hand. /r/DoesAnyoneElse and /r/pics come out at the bottom of non-porn, non-joke subreddits. That's hardly a surprise to anyone, as those are widely considered two of the stupidest subreddits. The top also isn't very surprising, with /r/TrueReddit and /r/philosophy taking the cake. And yes, /r/christianity narrowly edges out /r/atheism. It's rather amusing because I got the whole idea to do this from the okcupid blog, where they compared the grade level of various demographics (at the bottom). /r/Atheism at the time was bragging about how Christians wrote their profile at a lower reading level, in what remains one of the most pathetic things to brag about of all time. I guess Christianity gets the last laugh on this one.

Now the length of the comments. The chart looks pretty similar. One thing to note is that you'll see "DIGG" on both charts. That's not /r/digg, those are actually digg comments, however it should be totally ignored. I scraped about 200k Digg comments, however after some very strange results (particularly the massive disparity between the two types of grade level), I looked into the comments themselves and about half the comments were the same spam comment, and half of the rest where various other spam comments. It was a bunch of links to fake rolexes or something, which I think wasn't being displayed on the site but was still being returned by the api, so the data was ruined. I never had the time to go back and weed out the spam though so that data is pretty worthless.

One thing that is interesting is that /r/TrueReddit's data almost exactly lines up to the first year of reddit, so well done chaps!

Onward to internet slang, insults, and swearing. I guess not surprising /r/christianity has by far the least insults and swearing. I've never been subscribed to /r/videos, but apparently it is not a nice place. I'm a bit surprised /r/android was 2nd place in least insults, though I think that data might look a bit different today since so many posts are about how Apple is the devil, but I felt like that when these numbers were run the first time too, so I guess they keep it classy after all. After that /r/philosophy and /r/truereddit are at the top of the class again.

So in conclusion, reddit has gotten quite a bit stupider, which is obvious. Digg probably didn't have as much of an effect as people like to think, as things were already pretty much over at that point. But if you subscribe to the right places, and more importantly unsubscribe from the right places, I don't really think it's much different than it ever was. Oh yeah and always back up your data.

Here is my google docs with the raw data.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Dec 26 '12

Is reddit experiencing a "brain drain" of sorts, or just growing pains? How long will it be until the Next Big Thing in social media takes off? Will it overpower & dominate it's competitors, like the Great Digg Migration of 2008, or will it coexist peacefully with the current social media giants?

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I've noticed an alarming trend over the course of the last year or so, really culminating in the last few months. The list of "old guard" redditors (and I use that term very loosely) who have either deleted their account, somehow gotten shadowbanned (which is easier than you may think) or all but abandoned their accounts is growing steadily. If you've been keeping tabs on the world of the meta reddits, you may recognize some or all of the names on this list... all have either deleted their accounts or been shadowbanned for one reason or another:

These are just a few off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many I've missed or forgotten. Now, I know that a few of those names wouldn't be considered "braniacs" by any means. The individual users are not what I want to focus on here, but the overall trend of active users becoming burnt out, so to speak, and throwing in the proverbial towel. There are several other high-profile users (notably, /u/kleinbl00) who have significantly decreased their reddit activity while not abandoning the site completely. Some of these users have most likely created alternate reddit accounts that they are using instead (in fact, I know with certainty that several have), but one thing I have noticed is that some of these users are active on a site called Hubski - an interesting experiment in social media that appears to combine elements of reddit and twitter. Here's a link to kleinbl00's "hub". Here's a link to Saydrah's. Here's mine.

I've been browsing Hubski off and on for over a year, submitting content on occasion, but it hasn't quite succeeded in completely pulling me away from reddit... yet. My interest in the social media website has been growing steadily, however, as reddit continues to grow and the admins seemingly continue to distance themselves from the community (Best of 2012 awards, anyone?). I feel like reddit is on track to become the next Facebook or Youtube, which is great for reddit as a company. Unfortunately, I don't have any interest to be a part of Facebook or Youtube. I use their services to the extent that they are essentially unavoidable, but I don't spend a large amount of my free time on either of those websites.

The biggest difference between Hubski and reddit is that instead of subscribing to subreddits, you follow individual users, or hashtags. Their use of hashtags as opposed to subreddits is extremely appealing to me. When you submit an article, you can choose a single tag. It can be anything you like, but you are limited to a single tag. After you submit it, and it is viewed & shared by others, other users can suggest a "community tag" - which can then, in turn, be voted upon by the community, and even alternate tags suggested (the most popular tag will be displayed as the community tag). The original tag and the community tag cannot be the same thing.

Another thing that sets Hubski apart from reddit is the ability to create "hybrid posts" - you can include a bit of text with every link submission - perhaps a quote from the article, or a paragraph or two of your personal thoughts on the subject. How often has that been suggested for reddit? A lot - 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. It also appears that reddit has recently taken a page from Hubski's book - the icon for gilded comments look strikingly similar to Hubski's badges, introduced almost a year prior. Coincidence? Possibly.

I don't know what the reddit admins have up their sleeves, or where they intend for reddit to go during this period of explosive growth, or when/if this period of explosive growth will ever end. I do know that talking about the downfall of reddit has been the popular thing to do since comments were originally introduced, so, /r/TheoryOfReddit, shall we indulge ourselves once again in some good, old fashioned doom & gloom?

Is reddit experiencing a "brain drain" of sorts, or just growing pains? How long will it be until the Next Big Thing in social media takes off? Will it overpower & dominate it's competitors, like the Great Digg Migration of 2008, or will it coexist peacefully with the current social media giants?

Edit: Another related website is called Hacker News - I've heard good things about that place, but I do not have an account there. Perhaps someone with a bit of experience can explain how it works.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Feb 14 '13

Comparing structure and humor between Reddit and 4chan

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I am curious to know if anyone has given much thought to the structural differences between Reddit and 4chan (registration/anonmynity, upvoting/sage, thread organization and appearence) and how these differences might influence the respective styles of discourse on the sites.

I've been a /b/-tard longer than I have been a redditor and my impression of the sites are the following: 4chan is funny and libidinal, yet shallow and ephemeral - it is good to read from a poetic point of view Reddit is self-absorbed yet filled with interesting technical reading.

Specifically, the jokes on 4chan are much better and I want to understand why.

My feeling is that since 4chan is an anonymous community, the only means of establishing membership to that community is a mastery of the memes that propogate through it (here it is good to note that 'meme' can refer to highly stylized image macros as well as the general structure of a thread (a roll thread is an example of such)). User status in 4chan is determined uniquely by the fluency in the discourse, and hence the social dynamics of the space foster the development of users who are highly adept at manipulating the site's unique language. This fluency that I have noticed is far beyond the ability to deploy a meme (i.e. to fill in a formatted image with one's own content), but extends into the ability to subvert it. Those that are capable of smartly subverting the sites language are the users that reap the most praise from the community. Furthermore, I think that the sites 'fuck everything' attitude comes from both the anonymity (you don't have to hold yourself responsable for what you say) and from the fact that insults are easier to craft than compliments.

This constant subversion and undermining of the site's own language is exactly what makes 4chan chaotic (along with the fact that posts last an average of 40 minutes b4 they 404) and also leads to REALLY great reading. Once you have a little ear-training for the site 1) you start to get the jokes and 2) get to appreciate th wonderful ways the site mutates over time. Furthermore, because of the fact that understand the language of the site is so crucial, it creates the conditions for great jokes played at the expense of others such as fingerboxes and del sys32.

Keep in mind here that this is all due to the site's anonymity. Reddit, on the other hand, uses karma - which creates the kind of self-fulfilling dynamics that I have seen analyzed in a lot of Theory of Reddit posts. I certainly think that the meme-quality (aside: I wanted to say writing quaility, but that does not make sense in this context. funny how we don't have a term for the ability to write stylishly within an ideosyncratic system of communication (I have seen some articles about technical/scientific writing style, but I don't think these are concominant simply because memes can involve pictures n' shit)) is vastly inferior to reddits. I think this is because of two things:

  1. posts persist longer on reddit and therefore the work involved in writing a long, detailed post is not wasted - a user can gain status in the community for writing one - and the work involved is not wasted (in 4chan, the work necessary to become fluent takes a while to learn, but takes seconds to deploy - therefore the lack of a status accrual is not a problem since within a thread the relational notion of status is re-affirmed as the thread develops).

  2. there exist subreddits. This means that likeminded individuals can find a dedicated location in which to suck each others dicks. On 4chan dick sucking happens too, but the categories are much less specific and threads eventually die. therefore, there is no dedicated place for such activity to occur - which means that if your goal on the site is to placate your own worldview then there is a low probability that will actually occur. On reddit it is the opposite - there is a whole road to user status based on never writing a good post, never being funny, only re-affirming other people's beliefs - which they will of course give you karma for.

In the end, there is much less stress on reddit on meme-quality simply because there are other ways in which to be active in the community.

Let me know what you guys think of this account, find holes in it and tell me of similar thoughts. I spend a lot of tme thinking about internet discourse and want to explore these issues further (and maybe even formally).

tl;dr

4chan creates conditions where an understanding of the sites in-jokes and tropes are crucial to participating - fostering hyperliteracy - fostering wit. Part of the cost born in this is ephemerality.

Reddit users can participate without fully understanding its in-jokes and tropes - which means the humor sucks, but instead there exists things like 4/theoryofreddit.

(flying by the pants of my seat by NOT EDITING - submit


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Jul 17 '13

r/atheism and r/politics removed from default subreddit list.

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/r/books, /r/earthporn, /r/explainlikeimfive, /r/gifs & /r/television all added to the default set.

Is reddit saved? What will happen to /r/politics and /r/atheism now they have been cut off from the front page?


Blog post.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Nov 27 '25 Sad Snek Bravo

Reddit is dead and buried and will never recover

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Dramatic title but I can't see any other avenue forward for this place. I'm not certain people comprehend how truly dead and beyond saving reddit is in almost-2026. It's so bad that it just doesn't register anymore but continues to circle the drain more quickly every day regardless. I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of monthly traffic is botted and/or AI and there are less than 100k active (i.e. posting, commenting) human users site-wide. Maybe double that if we include porn subreddits.

For context I only started using reddit around 2014 though I was familiar with it and its culture from using funnyjunk (yes seriously) since 2010 or so. I say "only" because most of the traffic is from new accounts and younger users (I'll get back to that in a minute).

If you weren't around or are like me and your memory has gotten foggy it's impossible to understate the influence reddit had on the wider internet back then. It leaked out to FJ and 9gag, with some backsplash onto 4chan and tumblr as well. It wasn't just rage comics and advice animals; it was new atheism, tech bro libertarianism, I Fucking Love Science rationality and skepticism and grammar nazis to boot. Celebrities like Adam Savage were all but worshiped, and Ron Paul was bigger than Jesus if all you went by was the default subs (which are no longer a thing).

On top of all that there was a healthy and active community and meta-reddit community built around the site and its subcultures. Subs like r/bestof were extremely popular and a daily source of in-depth (at least on the surface) longposts going over any random topic, and users would reward the effort with reddit gold (thanks kind stranger!), jokes/puns, and if it were really popular it could become a new site-wide in-joke (meme) like broken arms or something about jackdaws. There was enough of a mainstream reddit culture that a counterculture formed naturally with subs like r/circlejerk, r/subredditdrama, r/shitredditsays and more. Specifically to vent frustrations with the wider reddit community.

Joining in 2014 I was able to catch the tail end of all of this, and though the next few years would be tumultuous due to American politics becoming a constant mainstay there was still organic activity and growth and divisions amongst the subcultures and communities.

This would carry over into reddit's next boom era of 2017-2021. This is where new, often younger users would sign up after seeing some youtuber reading reddit creepypastas or Pewdiepie browsing his own meme subreddit. While not my cup of tea, this wave of popularity brought in a massive influx of users to r/teenagers and meme subreddits like r/me_irl and r/dankmemes. This new Gen Z userbase began to outpace the old neckbeard stereotype users and as a result the culture of the site (though the kids are calling it an "app" now) began to shift underneath the established users' feet.

Well into COVID this continued as people were shut in with nothing to do and reddit was taking off amongst younger folk. It's hard to understate how massive the downstream effects of this have been, I could write a whole post about that alone. However this growth would not sustain and as reddit became increasingly popular so did karma farming, account trading/selling, botting; slowly the signal to noise ratio became far more noise than there ever was signal.

All of this culminated in the final blow that was the third party API debacle. A power hungry move by the site admins that left many moderators, power users, and regular users entirely disillusioned with reddit. This controversy was especially damaging as it specifically upset the people who cared about reddit the most, and as a result the massive blackouts, protests, and account deletions left a permanent hole in the core of the site's community.

Reddit has never recovered from this. It's since been IPO'd and now has far more tangible incentive to game traffic and overall numbers across the site. Post quality is in the gutter, AI slop is abundant, users misspell words and spam emojis everywhere (what used to be a Cardinal Sin amongst redditors), and there is no more sense of either the old culture or the zoomer boom meme culture. Just take a look at r/bestof now and note how only the 3rd top post is already 3 days old with barely 1000 upvotes. This would be unthinkable before the crash. And it's not just there, you can visit almost any formerly popular subreddit (especially meta ones) and see the same trend happening all over. It's been wild to see it happen in real time over the years.

All this to say: reddit is not just dead, it's beyond saving. The site and quality and community alike have all cratered and all that's left is petty squabbles and stale memes. It's not even a matter of curating for subs/content anymore as even the curated ones have either become ghost towns or overly dull and sanitized to satisfy the incorporation. There is no zeitgeist left to speak of, no spontaneity, no authenticity, no pulse. Reddit is dead and buried.

What are your thoughts on the past/current/future state of reddit.com? I'd think it likely the admins will sell it off to the highest bidder and we watch it become even more of a shell of its former self. But nobody ever accused me of being an optimist ;)

EDIT: typo


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Nov 06 '19

Reddit has gotten really unfriendly to new users

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people who have had their same account for a long time probably are unaware of this, but reddit has gotten increasingly hostile to new users. and Im not even talking about the community (which can be intimidating). Im talking about allthe roadblocks reddit throws at people trying to post for the first time.

imagine this: you are a brand new redditor and you want to try and post something! thats what reddit is for, right??? so you hop over to your favorite sub. you click "submit link" and you upload a really cool pic and click submit. yay!!

WHOOPS! Not so fast!! you get a message like this:

New accounts and accounts with low karma are not allowed to make comments with links in r/SomePopularSub. Please participate elsewhere on reddit before trying to submit links here. We do NOT disclose karma limits. Asking the mods will result in an immediate ban.

jeez thats not very friendly! side-note: the "minimum karma" requirements on some subs seems to be well over 50k karma. ridiculous!!! but let's get back to trying to make our first post.

ok so you can't post on r/SomePopluarSub. why not try posting your pic to a smaller sub? so you hop on over to r/NotAsPopularSub, go through the post submission process, and click submit again.

WHOOPS!

New message:

You are doing that too much. try again in 8 minutes.

you get a cooldown timer that applies even when your last post was removed. this will happen for every sub until your karma goes way way up. is a new user really going to sit there drumming there fingers for 8 minutes? probably not. they'll go back to twitter or something.

but pretend you reeeeeeally want to post this pic! you wait the full eight minutes. ok post! Yaaaay no unfriendly messages! your pic got posted!! now just wait for the upvotes and karma to roll in!!!

waits

hmmmmm...

sure seems like no one is upvoting your new post...

for that matter, are they even seeing it...?

spoiler alert: they are not. because you are a first time user who has never posted in that sub before your post was flagged as spam. this is a totally silent process. not only does reddit not tell you why it thinks your post is spam. you aren't even notified that this has happened at all!! even the mods of the sub are not notified. they will only notice this if a) they check their spam queue of their own accord or b) you message them. otherwise your n00b posts just sink silently into oblivion. never to be upvoted or commented on.

so u/newuser has had a frustrating time trying to post anything at all. and then when theywere finally able to post they basically got ghosted. are they going to stick around? probably most will say "Hell, this reddit website seems very unfriendly to me, a n00b who doesn't know the ropes! Im going to go back to snapchat" and they will leave never to be heard from again.

some part of this is a mod problem. minimum karma thresholds are super user-unfriendly. I get that they are put in place to deal with spam but they make subs seem elitist and hostile to new users.

BUT this is also a reddit problem. in an effort to combat spam reddit seems to have hyper-corrected. for a tech company that needs "new users" and "engagement" to impress their investors they are making it a lot harder to be a new user and get engaged.

the upshot is a catch-22: users need karma to be able to post, but they can't post without having karma. if you don't believe this is a problem you should check out r/help. example 1 example 2 example 3 example 4

I wrote this post because I know that this is probably invisible to long time reddit users who have loads of karma and arent constantly getting flagged by spam filters. i hope this post doesn't get flagged as spam and disappeared. but I wouldn't be surprised!!!

one of reddit's core rules is "remember the human" but the humans are getting lumped in with the bots and forgotten about.

RANT OVer

edit: wow a ton of responses and triple gold! thanks to everyone who read through my long rant. hopefully it made some new people aware of the problems on reddit.

edit edit: even more gold damn


r/TheoryOfReddit • • May 15 '19

r/cantelmoism and reddit cults

684 Upvotes

Edit For up-to-date information, please check out r/CantelmoismExposed

It is keeping tabs on the movement's activity, and has in-depth research on movement's views on topics such as aliens, prostitution, anti-science rhetoric, DMT and Cancer research, and the movement's advocacy of Sun Gazing.

It also has a more updated brief summary of the saga.


I'm interested in whether any true cults have ever emerged on Reddit. I have been following u/ChrisCGC and his sub r/cantelmoism, "the official subreddit for the newly emerged Internet religion Cantelmoism, approved by the Lord [u/ChrisCGC] himself!"
(along with his other subs r/ChildrenOfChris r/DMTnew r/JokesCGC r/VanStaalGuy)

I started out participating for the awards (I had 5 years of premium after a few days of participation), but once I had more than enough gold, I continued to participate out of interest for what is the strangest most cult-like sub I have ever seen.

Today it is starting to get some renewed interested by the reddit community, as the leader u/ChrisCGC has been suspended by reddit for 3 days, and it was mentioned in a popular (and EDIT: just deleted) askreddit post, described as "A REALLY weird cult like subreddit run by a guy who Gilds literally all the posters. He talks about how he has terminal brain cancer, that he's cured with DMT. And believes DMT can cure literally everything. And the users seem to agree for some reason. My personal take is that he's a schizophrenic but I have no proof."

Without going into too much depth, here's a few ways in which it seems like a cult.

Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess

Perhaps the main tenet of the whole cult is that DMT is a perfect and godly substance, with no bad effects, that everybody should be using, and THAT IT CURES CANCER AND AIDS. In fact, he has gone as far as saying that radiation and chemotherapy are torture and make patients worse not better, which is extremely dangerous advice to people who have cancer.

He has also urged his followers to [stare directly into the sun every day] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Cantelmoism/comments/bq7dk9/dmt_and_the_age_of_treason/eo2p4qv/), saying that we have been tricked into fearing the sun to make us dumber.

The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

This is a textbook and egregious example, especially when it turned out that yawn_zz didn't actually do anything wrong and the cult members refused to accept it

The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

Here's how he described himself to a doubter, while he was proselytising on another sub

The leader u/ChrisCGC is constantly referred to as a God.

He believes that he has special knowledge of the spirit world, and wants to use the knowledge for the expressed goal of world peace.

The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

Monetary rewards for participating in sub growth

The group is preoccupied with money.

He spends thousands of dollars a day gilding members with "reddit money", and he also is increasingly paying members real money, and offering to pay for their plane rides to visit him. In total he has spent over $100,000 recruiting followers with a main focus on recruiting teenagers.

And here are a few examples of some of the outrageous things he has said, but I think that thankfully most of these are not taken completely seriously by his followers. His most devoted followers definitely still believe him though.

A crash worse than the great depression is about to happen

USA is about to invade Iran, which will lead to a nuclear apocalypse

Mitt Romney called him up asking for an endorsement (he declined)

DMT serves as immunisation for impending alien bioattack

It seems like Reddit is starting to catch on and get worried, as his account was just suspended for three days "for telling people to call me or visit me to experience DMT as anti-cancer treatment."

Are there any analogous cults that got their start on reddit or reddit subs that become very cult-like?

Edit: I should have mentioned that he particularly targets kids and teenagers. Before he got banned, the main subreddit that he would use to proselytise was r/teenagers. He bullied the kids who would call him out. Eventually they caught on to him and banned him. This is what one of the users had to say to "debunk" him

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/bngt3c/debunking_chriscgc_a_look_into_the_mind_of_the/

Edit 2: A bit of information about Chris, the cult leader

He encourages schizophrenia. He believes that it is caused by excess DMT, and that the hallucinations are completely real

He graduated from Yale in 1984 with a degree in Biotechnology. He's been the President of GL Sciences for 14 years, so that's how he makes his money. And here's an example of him spending that money on a gilding rampage

Edit 3: I just listened to Chris' most recent podcast episode and I can finally understand what people see in him as a leader, and why his followers seem to love him. I'm almost convinced that he's an amazing, but insane, human being. Either that makes him less threatening because he's not the type of person to start a dangerous cult, or more threatening because he is the type of person that could convince enough people to pull it off.

The first half is just a normal conversation, which establishes trust in him before he transitions to the crazier second half. We learn how Chris befriends the homeless and lets them all come into his house whenever they want to bathe, and he wishes he had enough space to let thousands of them sleep in his backyard. He does have over an acre of land, which would be enough to start a commune/cult on a smaller scale.

Then in the second half, he starts talking about DMT, albeit in a far less insane way that he normally does.

He then makes some of apocalyptic prophesies that he had previously talked about on reddit, such as a recession worse than the Great Depression being imminent and World War III between US, Iran, and Israel being imminent. However, he says that those two things will actually be good for everyone except the rich.

Next, he tells us what his ideal society looks like. He wants something "beyond communism", where money is made illegal It's not too big of a stretch to say that he might consider implementing such a society on a smaller scale if he gains enough devoted followers.

Lastly, he talks about suicide At first, he says that he thinks people who commit suicide go to "a cooler place" and are "better off." This is obviously a very scary idea, when you look at how common mass suicide is in cults. He seems to be aware of this, as he quickly changes his tune to say that he really thinks that people who commit suicide have to start their life all over again, which would be boring.

Overall, there were some Jonestown vibes, but mostly he just seems like an extremely moral, charitable, and CRAZY person. His followers fall in love with him for his morality and charity, missing out on the crazy side, and that's where I think the danger lies.

Edit 4: Ok, he now has a website!!! https://www.cantelmoism.com. If this wasn't a cult before, it sure as hell is becoming one now.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Oct 23 '16

Locked. No new comments allowed. The accuracy of Voat regarding Reddit: SRS admins?

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I've been searching for subreddits to post this question for a while now, and this seems to be the right place to do it. I apologize if this question belongs elsewhere.

I have a friend who uses Voat. To my knowledge, he didn't migrate from Reddit after the Fattening to Voat, so he has secondhand knowledge about the workings of Reddit.

One day, we got into a conversation about censorship on Reddit. He tells me that Reddit is a heavily censored place that is largely moderated by r/ShitRedditSays and Correct the Record.

His statement sounded like longhand for "Reddit is ran by SJWs and Hillary Clinton", so I dismissed it as a conspiracy theory. Not only that, I have some real doubts about the accuracy of anything Voat says about Reddit. However, I know very little about Reddit's moderating and administrating in general, so it's hard to back up my beliefs.

My main questions:

How true is the statement that many SRS mods are administrators for Reddit?

Would an SRS administration have a strong impact on the discourse of Reddit if this happened to be true?

Where did the claim that SRS is running Reddit come from? I have a guess, but I want to know if this idea is common among other subs that aren't related to he who shall not be named.

Extra credit: I tried explaining to my friend that subs like fatpeoplehate broke Reddit's anti harassment rules. Is that a sufficient explanation or am I missing something?


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Nov 07 '17

The GoodBot_BadBot bot is, ironically, the worst bot for the amount of spam it has created since its inception.

672 Upvotes

I'm not sure if there's actually a solution to this, even if the functionally of /u/GoodBot_BadBot was removed, I feel like it has become so commonplace that people will still do it. Every time I see a bot do anything, there's always a huge chain of good bot / bad bot comments and, really, who cares? Reddit already has a built-in system for dealing with spam and the core premise of the site deals with bots that are just bad via downvotes. The bot just serves a function already entirely served by karma.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Oct 28 '15

What I Learned From My Time at TiA

653 Upvotes

The following is a copy of my resignation from modding the TiA network, in which I chose to write out what I'd learnt more generally about Reddit during my time there. Perhaps it may seem a bit melodramatic, here, to those who aren't familiar with the sub itself, but people suggested that the more theoretical bits might be appreciated.


This post is my resignation from moderating /r/TumblrInAction, along with her sister subs. This is, however, the least important thing it is.

I won't beat around the bush; TiA has gone to shit, in my eyes. Now, it's worse than it has ever been. The posts have been degrading steadily for over a year. The users grow ever more like mirror images of that which we used to laugh at. And the mod team, which I always found to be an example of modding done right (even when I wasn't on it), is fractured and in disarray. The team is likely never to fully recover.

Instead of simply bemoaning what has come to pass, however, I ask myself the question:

What have I learnt?


By and large, the most important lessons from my time with TiA boil down to three key points.

1. Individuals matter.

This sounds sappy and feel-good. It isn't.

Back when I joined, TiA had just hit 40K subscribers. It was a very different place; it was a vector for jovial amusement and light mockery, where today it feels a lot more about hatred and derision. So, what gave it that flavour? What made it seem more upbeat? Were all 40K subs a fundamentally different sort of person, in some way?

No. The reason that is seemed different is because, fundamentally, the vast, vast bulk of users simply do not matter. Yup, I'm serious. The old rule of thumb, which you'll hear quite often, is that 10% of users vote, and 1% actually post or comment. People don't tend to grasp the implications of this, however. The key factor is that that 1% is usually the same people for almost every post.

This is how you get what are sometimes referred to as 'flavour posters'. These are the people who are in the new queue. They're the people posting content. And they're the people in every comment section.

Flavour posters define the entire narrative of a sub. Flavour posters are generally the only people who matter in a small to medium sized sub. And, as a 40K subreddit, TiA had maybe 10 of them. At the time I could recognise all of their usernames.

Back then, I was a flavour poster. I'd check TiA twice a day, and comment on almost every post. Then, I realised that, if I got to a post fast enough, I could essentially control the narrative for that post. So long as I got there first or second, and was vaguely convincing, I could single-handedly sway the general opinion of a 1,000 person comment section. This was true when I was commenting with the prevailing circlejerk, but it was also true when I decided to defend the subject of the post, to go against the circlejerk.

In other words, almost nobody else actually matters. At low to medium subscriber counts, the flavour posters define a subreddit, and any other commenters will usually fall into line with them. This can be good, this can be bad; TiA had an absolutely great set of flavour posters in its heyday. In the end, though, that dependency brings me to my second point.

2. Big subs go to shit.

There is a point, usually somewhere between 50K and 100K subscribers, at which point a sub will go 'bad'. Now, 'bad' isn't always very bad, although in TiA's case I'd argue it is, but it's always noticeably worse than before. The quality of posts will decline, becoming less clever or interesting or funny, and will slowly gravitate toward lowest-common-denominator shit. The quality of comments also plummets, as staler and more overused jokes and memes are used, as genuine insight becomes rarer and less visible, and as opinions counter to the circlejerk start to be downvoted more and more heavily. I remember a time when one could have a genuine discussion on TiA, with people that the sub generally disagreed with, and they'd be asked interesting questions rather than mindlessly downvoted. Now, well, it's default-level toxicity on a good day, and it started heading there when it hit roughly 70K subs.

So, why is this? I don't think there's any single answer, it seems to be an unfortunate convergence of trends, which cannot be negated by any sub less pure and selected than something like /r/AskHistorians. It seems to be unavoidable for any normal sub.

Partly, it's baked into the nature of the voting mechanics. At bigger sub sizes, unpopular opinions don't get that little bit of extra breathing time to justify themselves. Instead, the votes come in just too fast; circlejerks rise to the top immediately, while different ideas either get downvoted or simply ignored, languishing at the bottom of the comment section.

Partly, it comes back to that old quote: "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe they are in good company." This is true of idiocy, but also of anything else. In TiA, we were essentially pretending to be a softcore hate group, but in a jokey, non-serious way. Past about 70K, however, newcomers stopped understanding that. They failed to integrate, and overran the originals. Instead of as a joke, they saw these tumblrinas as someone to hate. They became a mirror image, in many ways, of what they mocked.

Partly, in TiA's case, I've seen it suggested that it was as a result of a shift in our subject matter, Tumblr. The Tumblr zeitgheist moved away from silly otherkin blogs and fanfiction, and got more vitriolic and political. Instead of a zoo, to laugh at the monkeys flinging shit, TiA shifted with it to become a focus for all those who really hated the ideas espoused by the Tumblr community. Personally, I'm not sure that this makes me dislike the result any less. When I agreed to moderate TiA, I signed on to be a zookeper, not to be military police.

Partly, it comes back to the flavour users. After a certain point, the aforementioned factors (and others) will start to drive those original tastemakers out. They start to say 'fuck it', and leave. Usually, they will eventually be replaced, but the new flavour posters will have different ideas, they'll be less likely to disagree with popular opinion. The quality of the comments will degrade, as the original viewpoints wink out.

There's a million other factors, each applied differently to every sub that goes through this transition. Some get hit worse than others. In my opinion, TiA didn't really survive at all, instead it morphed into something rather nasty. Which leads me to my final point.

3. The internet tends towards extremism.

If you remember anything from this post, remember this axiom. It is, in my experience, as fundamental as Murphy's Law or Hanlon's Razor.

Once you get big enough, it becomes impossible to hold a nuanced debate. There are too many variances of opinions to consider, the upvotes and downvotes flow too freely, and there's no space in the comment section to consider opinions opposing your own.

Instead, the people who rise to the top are those who are are clearest, and most certain. And those people are usually on the ends of any given spectrum. They're extremists. They're clear, because their opinions are black and white, and they're utterly without nuance. And they're certain, because their opinions are black and white, and they're utterly without nuance.

And, once these opinions have risen to the top, they stay there. The problem is that your average, normal, well adjusted person isn't certain that they're right all the time. Often, they're not completely sure what their opinion is at all. They're ready to be persuaded. And so, even though there's usually far more sensible, nuanced commenters out there, they become a silent majority. They see the black-and-white, upvoted post, then assume that, because it's been upvoted and seems certain, it must be right, and then never put forward their more sensible take.

But, on the internet, the silent majority is invisible. You've no idea how many normal, sensible opinions there are out there, as you can only see this really extreme one, which is highly upvoted. But, if nobody's saying it's too extreme, and it's highly upvoted, then surely it's right? So you decide that it is now your opinion, too. And then you upvote, and move on.

And once you've reached this point, the rest all becomes horribly standard. With an extremist viewpoint comes an us-vs-them mentality. Then that becomes a refusal to listen to them. And then you end up with what Yahtzee Croshaw described as "a dual siege between two heavily-entrenched echo chambers of vocal minorities, separated by a vast landscape of howler monkeys flinging shit."

And that is what's universal, across the internet. The upvote mechanics might be different, but certainty stands out, and the silent majority remains invisible. And the result is extremism. That can be as an SJW, or, in TiA's case, as people who hate SJWs. It will be the two ends of any given spectrum.


So, there you have it, the three key learnings that I will be taking from my time with TiA. I shall always remember TiA at its best, but I can no longer put up with its current worst.

Goodbye.


Anyway, perhaps some of you may find some of this interesting. I hope so!


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Oct 09 '13

/r/pics now only allows links to image hosting sites. This forces everyone to remove content from the original site/creator and upload it to a hosting site. Imgur now basically covers 100% of all submissions. Does this bother anybody else?

640 Upvotes

Theres plenty of sites/blogs that show their own conten in a nice way that would allow you to link to their site. This new rule kills the original creator of getting any exposure at all. Plus its tedious for reddit users because they need to upload the picture, or gallery, to imgur before posting. /r/pics has 4.5 million subscribers, I dont see why imgur should be the only one getting any views. What is everbody elses thoughts on this?


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Aug 04 '12

The Cult of "Reason": On the Fetishization of the Sciences on Reddit

629 Upvotes

Hello Redditors of TOR. Today I would like to extend to you a very simple line of thought (and as such this will be light on data). As you may guess from the title of this post, it's about the way science is handled on Reddit. One does not need to go far in order to find out that Reddit loves science. You can go to r/science, r/technology, r/askscience, r/atheism... all of these are core subreddits and from their popularity we can see the grip science holds on Redditors' hearts.

However, what can also be seen is that Redditors fall into a cultural perception of the sciences: to state the obvious, not every Redditor is a university professor or researcher. The majority of them are common folk, relying mostly on pop science and the occasional study that pops up in the media in order to feed their scientific knowledge. This, unfortunately, feeds something I like to call 'The Cult of Reason', after the short-lived institution from the French Revolution. Let's begin.

The Cultural Perception of the Sciences in Western Society

To start, I'd like to take a look at how science is perceived in our society. Of course, most of us know that scientific institutions are themselves about the application of the scientific method, peer-review, discussion, theorizing, and above all else: change. Unfortunately, these things don't necessarily show through into our society. Carl Sagan lamented in his book The Demon-Haunted World how scientific education seemed not to be about teaching science, but instead teaching scientific 'facts'. News reports of the latest study brings up how scientists have come to a conclusion, a 'fact' about our world. People see theories in their explanation, not their formulation. This is, of course, problematic, as it does not convey the steps that scientists have to go through in order to come to their conclusions, nor does it describe how those conclusions are subject to change.

Redditors, being members of our society and huge fans of pop-science, absorb a lot of what the cultural perception of science gives to them.

Redditors and Magic

Anthropologists see commonly in cultures religious beliefs which can invoke what they call 'magic' or the supernatural. The reason why I call what Redditors have "The Cult of Reason" is because when discussing science, they exhibit what I see as a form of imitative magic. Imitative magic is the idea that "like causes like". The usual example of this is the voodoo doll, but I'd much rather invoke the idea of a cargo cult, and the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

It is common on Reddit when in debate, to see Redditors dip into what I like to call the 'scientific style'. When describing women's behaviour, for example, they go into (unfounded) talk about how evolution brought about the outcome. This is, of course, common pseudoscience, but I would propose that they are trying to imitate people who do science in order to add to the 'correctness' of their arguments. They can also be agitated is you propose a contrary theory, as if you do not see the 'logic and reason' of their arguments. Make note of this for the next section.

Through this, we can also come to see another characteristic of the Cult of Reason.

Science as a Bestower of Knowledge (Or Science as a Fetish)

You'll note that as per the last section (if you listened to me and made note of it), that Redditors will often cling to their views as correct after they've styled it up as science. Of course, this could be common arrogance, but I see it as part of the cultural perception in society, and as a consequence on Reddit, as a bestower of facts. Discussions of studies leap instantly to the conclusions made, not of the study itself or its methodology or what else the study means. Editorialization is common, with the conclusion given to Redditors in the title of the post so they don't need to think about all the information given or look for the study to find out (as often what's linked is a news article, not the actual study). This, of course, falls under the common perception of science Reddit is used to, but is accepted gladly.

You can also see extremes to this. Places like /r/whiterights constantly use statistics in order to justify their racism, using commonly criticized or even outdated science without recognition for science as an evolving entity.

All of this appears to point to Redditors seeing Science as something of an all-knowing God bestowing knowledge upon them, no thought required. Of course, this leads to problems, as you see in the case of /r/whiterights, in Redditors merely affirming deeply unscientific beliefs to themselves. But I'll leave that for you to think over for yourselves.

Conclusion

Thank you for taking to the time to read my little scrawl. Of course, all of this is merely a line of thought about things, with only my observations to back it up, so feel free to discuss your views of how Redditors handle science in the comments.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Mar 09 '20

Why do conservative/edgy subreddits become far-right?

614 Upvotes

It seems to be a common pattern on reddit that a conservative or edgy subreddit slowly becomes more right-wing until it is quarentined or deleted. It's probably not the best example, but look at /r/TrueUnpopularOpinion. It started out with https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/cx6eot/games_shouldnt_have_trans_option/ and now posts things like this https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/ffik9a/we_need_to_kick_certain_people_out_of_america/ Why does this happen?


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Jun 22 '15

10,000 Redditors Can Still Be Wrong: How top comments become facts regardless of their veracity.

611 Upvotes

I first recognized this problem when I browsed /r/askscience. Finishing up a PhD, I'd come across questions that I knew the answer to but what I would find was that top answers often were missing important information, moderators, or caveats, if they weren't completely wrong. I'd sometimes try to correct the answer, but the effort was always futile and my comments were always buried.

Further, I've recognized that top askscience comments often get 1000s of upvotes, which is especially odd, when they sometimes deal with very specialized topics. Consider this question and answer from this week which asks about the science of a nickle size blackhole and received over 7000 upvotes and was gilded 12 times. What that suggests is that at least 7000 people upvoted the comment. And yet, I would argue that only a small percentage have any real training in advanced cosmological physics to have any idea whether the answer is correct or not. Instead, people read it, it sounds 'right' and subsequently upvoted it.

I'm not saying that particular comment is not correct, but I, nor virtually any other redditor, has anyway of knowing how factually accurate it is. Indeed, there are a few dissenting opinions in the comments. And yet, most people would read it, see it has a lot of upvotes, and accept it as 'truth.'

This problem goes beyond science questions. Indeed, often the top comment in any thread asserts something as a fact. Often it takes the form of a critique of the post and I've seen many comments that state something along the lines of "I always like to check the comments section to see why the article is wrong." Implicit in a statement like that is that the top comment is true.

A few questions arise: How true are top comments? Should we accept the wisdom of the crowds and grant that they are, at least for the most part, correct? Redditors seem to be very critical of any form of external media but why do they seem to be accepting of highly upvoted comments? What motivates a redditor to upvote a comment that 'sounds' correct, but that they have no real knowledge on the true veracity?

As a final caveat, I am of course, speaking in generalities. There are a few occasions where a top-level comment gets heavily criticized, but those seem more like exceptions that prove the rule.

What are your thoughts?


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Apr 13 '20

Reddit is not built well for combatting misinformation with quality knowledge

601 Upvotes

I'm a PhD scientist who studies viruses and develops vaccines, particularly against respiratory and hemorrhagic fever viruses! During my PhD, I studied hanta, zika, ebola, and influenza.

So you can imagine my feelings during the current pandemic! I'm interested in spreading scientific info with a penchant for combatting specific strains of misinformation.

So I wrote up a long post about immunity certificates including all these sources and explanations, and put it up on one subreddit, which promptly took it down because it wasn't a "factual article" from a peer-reviewed publication.

So I went to the sister subreddit which advertised itself as "for discussion." Same thing happened, this time the explanation being that only link posts to news articles were allowed. No editorials no opinions.

Meanwhile, links to articles from conspiracy mills and substandard websites spreading misinfo and unproven treatments run rampant! All over these same subs!

People do post informative comments on these threads, but they get drowned out quite quickly. And since you're never quite rebutting misinfo on its face, you never get beyond the tide. Their informative science-based comments are never on the same level as the misinformative links on subreddits like this.

Misinfo almost always outnumbers quality science. And quality science gets buried in long comment threads, where no one ever reads it.

And there's no real system for verifying that a mod of a subreddit is actually good at their job. I could be an antivaxxer, and if I was the first person to make the /r/vaccines subreddit, well good luck reddit. You're boned now.

So I looked, and I would say the other coronavirus subreddits are arguably worse. The issue is how there is no accountability or remediation for subreddits or their rules.

I even messaged the mods and inquired about the best way to post this, as a comment on a thread, or whatever. And they told me this sort of thing wasn't permitted at all, under any circumstances, to prevent misinformation.

I would say it's overall very frustrating. And I think this sort of issue is why reddit is a hotbed for insular communities spreading misinformation.

How can we allow good info content without allowing bad info content?

On places like /r/AskScience they flair users who have proof of graduation with a scientific degree. But that only applies to a minority of users there. The rest post comments without any flair, and often give incorrect answers.

I don't think Reddit is very good at establishing bona fides or expert flair, to be honest. It's also not built for longform posts that people sit down and read. People become click engines, they scroll and scroll and scroll, and only want quick content that can be consumed in a few seconds. Real scientific discussion about complex ideas takes time. It can't be consumed in 5 seconds or less.

I've done it myself! I've gotten in that zombie mode. And I really don't know how to get around it...


A comment in another thread about anti-intellectualism really caught my eye. It's extremely relevant to this issue:

/u/Epistaxis on Anti-intellectualism:

I wrote a rant about the same thing and that wasn't even on a politicized issue that time.

What's interesting is the way that this language has been reappropriated in recent years. We've come full circle and now there are people claiming that if you simply try thinking "rationally" and use "science", instead of listening to your "feelings" or whatever they imagine their opponents do (without ever listening to find out), then of course the only logical outcome is... something that a consensus of credentialed experts in the field would disagree with. There are uninformed laypeople on YouTube, and hordes of their followers on Reddit and elsewhere, claiming that they are the only ones who've even thought of applying "science" to such-and-such scientific question, yet they don't seem to know or care that actual scientists who spend their actual day jobs rationally analyzing these things are all on the opposite side of the issue. Not only can you now "love science" without caring about actual science, but you can even be "scientific" while avoiding or actively disagreeing with the actual scientific community.

You can see some examples of that elsewhere in this thread, including from OP. The topic was supposed to be anti-intellectualism, but a lot of people seem to be unironically railing against academic experts and expertise in favor of folk wisdom, because Reddit (or the internet in general) is a place where people who gather enough folk wisdom to win online debates think they must be the experts.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Jun 21 '23

The admins have threatened to de-mod us if we continue being closed. NSFW

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https://i.imgur.com/X71SEBI.png

Apparently, the protest was more of a threat to their bottom line then they let on.

As such, we are being forced open.

That said, due to having to mod on the frankly cumbersome tools provided by reddit owing to the third party apps we've been using being closed down (due to the admins complete refusal to listen to their community) we've had to lower our previously high standards for moderation. As such, we will only be enforcing the reddit content policy instead of rules we have previously enforced.

On the plus side, you can now post links to the things you're theorizing about, or upload images of videos of them. Please mark them NSFW if necessary.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Nov 12 '19

Fuckin hell. Can you botmakers please stop making useless, dumb bots?

574 Upvotes

As if u/I-Am-Dad-Bot wasn't enough, we now have u/emojipolice_bot. An asshole who replies to every comment where "😀" is used. It's is 6 days old and running in negative Karma (which it should).

What's the point of making more and more garbage bots like this?


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Dec 03 '25

Reddit is increasing the risk to users by allowing "hide post history"

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Ostensibly, the very controversial "hide history" option is meant to increase user security by providing additional tools to stop stalking. In practice, a quick Google search ("username site:reddit.com," set to posts from just the last week if you want to stick to recent stuff) will surface all or nearly all of the user's history.

So, we've gone from a system in which everyone understood their history would be accessible to one in which the history is still accessible, but people are less aware of that fact, and with the false reassurance of the hidden history, a user may neglect to take steps to protect themself that are actually effective.

So Reddit has introduced a feature that manages to simultaneously reduce the ability of users to assess the credibility of others (at a time when bots and foreign actors are huge, documented problems) while providing no security improvements.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Jun 02 '15

Am I the only one who thinks that Non-Participation (np) links are idiotic?

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I for one have always liked how the interactions between subreddits disrupted confirmation bias.

IMHO, It's these kinds of rules (e.g. no carpetbagging) that more than decimated the (constructive) Wikipedia community.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • May 21 '21

As of today, I've been on Reddit for ten years. Here's what I've learned.

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If you're the sort of person who prefers audiobooks or videos, this novella's content can be listened to here.


On May 21st, 2011, I registered my Reddit username.

For the first couple of months, I mainly browsed the site, occasionally upvoting things that made me laugh. My first-ever post was a link to a League of Legends-themed music video that I’d just finished making. It received approximately seven upvotes, then faded from everyone’s feeds. I remember trying to “bump” the thread by leaving a comment, which was a tactic that I’d developed during my time on 4chan… but I quickly discovered – to my intense frustration – that Reddit doesn’t work that way. A close friend of mine informed me that I’d become stuck in “the new queue,” but could provide no advice on how to escape from it.

Feeling fed up and irritated, I closed my browser and played a game with him instead.

During the decade that followed, I thought back to that experience on quite a few occasions. It had been an oddly informative introduction to the site, even if I hadn’t immediately understood the lessons that it had offered. As I became more active, though, and as I started moderating in addition to contributing, the depth and complexity of that deceptively brief moment began to make itself evident.

With ten years, hundreds of posts, thousands of comments, and nearly 5,000,000 karma behind me, I’d like to share some of what I’ve learned about the obstacles and opportunities that make Reddit what it is.


The Hivemind Is Real… But Not In The Way That You Might Think

Most Redditors – even brand-new ones – understand that the almighty upvote governs everything here, and they’re probably aware that a post’s initial activity is a huge determiner of its fate. As much as we might hate to admit this to ourselves, we are more likely to upvote something if other people have already done so, just as we’re more likely to downvote something if we see that it has a negative score.

This doesn’t happen simply because we want to go along with the crowd, though.

Even if we are being influenced, most of us still form our own opinions and cast our own votes. However, if we see that a given submission has already garnered a lot of approval, we may decide to give it more time and attention than we otherwise would have. “There’s apparently something worthwhile in here,” we might think, “so I’ll let its audition go on for a bit longer.” Conversely, if something has been cast in an unfavorable light, we could end up throwing it aside before we’ve given it any real consideration. Negative numbers may pique curiosity on occasion, but we generally tell ourselves that they were deserved.

As such, while score and placement both help to shape our perspectives (and that’s doubly true when we’re trying to interpret someone's tone or intentions), the opportunity that an upvote fosters ultimately plays a larger role: Unique content – especially anything which relies on slow buildups, dedicated focus, or complex nuances – will usually be ignored or met with impatient scorn unless several anonymous Redditors have already said “This is worth your time.” Once that has happened, we'll be more inclined to give something a fair chance… meaning that other people's opinions may not determine our own, but they do become a filter.

This filter is imperfect, though, because…


Reposts Are Preferred

This probably sounds ridiculous on the surface. If there’s one thing that Redditors love to hate, it’s anything that they've already seen. Strangely enough, though, reposts tend to be more successful than original submissions, even when the content is literally identical. Part of that comes down to the posters – there are quite a few karma-hungry users who know how to game the site's algorithm – but another factor plays a larger role.

More than anything else, success on Reddit is a matter of timing and luck… but only slightly less important is familiarity. I’m not just talking about relatable experiences or shared perspectives (although those can serve as shortcuts to success); I’m referring to something much more akin to nostalgia. When we think that we recognize a submission, we spend a brief moment trying to identify it, simultaneously granting more of the time and attention that I described earlier. If we recall any positive impressions, we frequently conflate those with in-the-moment reactions. In essence, reposts receive better chances at success than original content typically does, particularly if they've already passed through the above-mentioned filter.

The impact that familiarity has also manifests in other ways: When a given submission is presented with a recognizable format (as with comic strips, memetic image macros, or captioned GIFs), it's easier to approach, largely because the context has already been defined for us. Furthermore, preexisting associations – whether attached to the context or the content – can more than make up for any lack of inherent information or entertainment. As an example, think about all of the many times that you’ve encountered semi-random quotations from standup routines or movies: On their own, they usually aren’t funny… but folks who have seen the media in question will be reminded of the laughs that they had, so they'll eagerly upvote.

Reposts, references, and recognition all reduce the need for focused thought.

This leads us into the fact that…


Reddit Trains Us To Favor Low-Effort Content

When I use the term “low-effort,” I’m not just referring to the process of creating content; I’m talking about the prospect of consuming it. Redditors expect instant gratification, to the point where many of us prefer submissions that can be assessed with a passing glance. We’ve already covered how unfamiliar, standalone content is disadvantaged, but for a similar example, just consider how many people read only the headlines of news articles, or how few folks look at a given subreddit's rules before posting to it.

Certain exchanges in comment threads showcase another version of this phenomenon: Someone writes a joke that has only one apparent punchline, but intentionally avoids including that same punchline. Having done similar things myself, I understand the intention: The idea is to guide readers toward something humorous, but let them discover it themselves, thereby making the whole thing funnier as a result. Usually, though, somebody else chimes in with the (very obvious) conclusion to the setup, and they get showered with upvotes, awards, and praise for “their” joke. The person who actually wrote it receives very little of the same applause, because the act of reading the heckler's punchline takes less effort than thinking about the author's “incomplete” comment.

All of these behaviors result in the same outcome: Higher-effort content – even that which can be assessed with a glance, but which requires some consideration in order to be understood – gets eclipsed by lower-effort content, thereby teaching us to expect the latter. When that expectation is challenged, people often react in surprisingly aggressive ways. The prevailing sentiment appears to be one of “This submission interrupted me... and since I didn't immediately benefit from that interruption, it just made me angry.”

Now, a lot of folks insist that they shouldn’t have to work in order to enjoy something or learn from it. Sure, we could probably get more entertainment or information out of higher-quality content, but the effort it requires is nonetheless greater than what it takes to just keep scrolling. In a very real way, many of us are more interested in gambling with our time than we are in investing it: We’re content to trudge through an endless array of mediocre posts in the hopes of finding a single semi-good one, but we balk at the suggestion that we should give longer or more-complex offerings any dedicated attention (unless somebody else has already vetted them, of course).

Besides, even if we do take the time to consider something…


Enjoyment Can Result In Downvotes

Again, this probably sounds absurd on the surface, but believe it or not, folks will actually downvote content that they appreciate. This usually occurs when an individual's expectations are at odds with their reactions: “I didn’t want to like this, but I do… and that bothers me. I don’t want to explore why I feel bothered, though, so I’ll just blame the content or the submitter for it.” Along similar lines, popularity on its own is often enough to prompt disapproval: “Well, if everyone else likes this, then it must be bad!”

I’ve seen each of these responses play out hundreds of times, and I’ve even watched folks describe their after-the-fact rationalizations. Whenever a post from the “Unnecessary Inventions” guy hits the front page, you can find long-winded explanations of why the prospect of openly appreciating his work is actually aggravating or embarrasing. Whenever a popular artist has a successful submission in a high-traffic community, you can find tirades about how honest enjoyment is somehow anathema to itself.

More bizarre still, you can find accusations that…


Everyone Is (Allegedly) A Shill

Every time that a content-creator submits something, the question of why they’re offering it arises. Are they looking for attention? Are they hoping to make a profit? Are they just trying to inflate their karma score? Many Redditors have adopted the default assumption that nobody wants to entertain or inform without getting something in return, so they approach original content with suspicion. “There must be some ulterior goal!” they think… and if they're already looking for an excuse to dislike something, they might use that same suspicion as a justification for their feelings: “This person is clearly trying to trick me, so I should downvote them!”

On the other hand, if the skeptic sees that something is being upvoted, they’ll make it their personal mission to yank the wool from the eyes of all the sheep who can’t see the commercial: “Don’t you people get it?! This is an advertisement!” The question of what is actually being sold is irrelevant, because the poster’s assumed motivation has already soured the commenter's mood. Past that point, everything becomes evidence of a marketing conspiracy, and Ra help the poor soul whose post has a corporate logo visible somewhere within it.

There are certainly accounts on the site that are trying to sell something (or just promote themselves in some way), but based on what I’ve seen, they’re in the minority. Artists, musicians, filmmakers, and writers usually just want to share their work with the world… and although that drive doesn’t make sense to people who don’t experience it, it’s nonetheless the primary reason for creators' activity on Reddit.

Unfortunately, those same creators often discover that…


Redditors Can Be Incredibly Entitled and Elitist

As previously mentioned, derisive comments often crop up beneath high-scoring posts. If you look for patterns in these protests, you’ll frequently see rules being misquoted, claims about absent quality, and curiously ill-informed “experts” snarling hostile criticism. The unifying sentiment is that the posts do not belong, and that anyone who argues otherwise is an idiot. Moderators field similar complaints every single day: “I don’t like X, so you should ban it… and if you disagree, then it's clearly because you're either incompetent or corrupt.”

Brand-new posts aren’t immune to these attacks, either… and ironically, many of the outcries about bland, uninteresting, or ill-fitting submissions are voiced by people who haven’t actually consumed the content in question. For instance, a several-minute-long video (or a several-paragraph-long comment) will often be downvoted within seconds of having been posted, and a text-based screech of “I don’t like it!” will appear soon afterward. Unless these detractors are secretly time-travelers, they could not possibly have developed an informed opinion on a piece.

Despite this inconvenient detail, the self-appointed arbiters continue in their crusades, fighting to ensure that only their specific desires are met. Then, when they run out of targets for their downward-facing arrows, they loudly lament that there’s nothing good or interesting to be found on Reddit… and they accuse everyone else – from voters to creators – of being responsible for that. Put in simple terms, the statement is essentially “I demand that you give me exactly what I want right now, even if I keep throwing things back in your face!”

It might sound pretty bleak, but…


These Issues Are Actually Opportunities

Reposts, low-effort content, an impossible-to-please community, rampant entitlement, and a stifling environment for creators probably seem like they should add up to a place that’s best avoided… yet somehow, Reddit is much more than the sum of its parts. Moreover, these ostensibly negative facets can serve as boundaries on a bullseye.

In general, success with anything original requires a few elements:

  • It has to immediately capture attention.

  • It needs to be equal parts unique and familiar.

  • It should be very easy to understand and appreciate.

  • It has to be submitted at a time when the largest-possible audience will see it.

  • It needs to avoid anything which even resembles an attempt at advertising or self-promotion.

These requirements aren’t difficult to meet, and they actually allow for an enormous amount of freedom. The only downside is that many creators would prefer to focus their energies on earnest self-expression, ideally without having to trade their integrity for a fleeting chance at exposure. Dumbed-down, nuance-free content may have a better shot at the front page, but it can also be unsatisfying to produce. Fortunately, Reddit’s tacit set of standards also highlights what we – the consumers of that content – can do to raise the proverbial bar:

  • Upvote effort and quality, not just what you immediately like.

  • Read, watch, or examine things in their entirety before forming opinions.

  • Consider if submissions stand on their own, without context or knowledge of outside media.

  • Whenever something shifts from an expected format, look for the potential merit in that deviation.

In short, treat Reddit less like Twitter, and more like a festival.

That might seem like extra work with no guarantee of a reward, especially considering that millions of other users will still be amplifying the ennui-inducing noise. As we know, though, a single vote can decide the fate of a submission, and thereby influence the tone of the entire site. Furthermore, the act of slightly adjusting your approach will immediately make better content materialize.

That's because it's already here.

You see...


Reddit Is Still The Best Site On The Internet

Someone once told me that for every thousand followers, there’s one imitator, and for every thousand imitators, there’s one inventor. There’s a certain truth to that idea, but I think that it could do with a slight rephrasing: For every one originator, there are a thousand planters, and for every one planter, there are a thousand cultivators.

Without fertile ground and fostering, a flower cannot flourish.

Upvotes, then, are fertilizer… and as disgusting a metaphor as this might be, the manure on Reddit gives rise to some of the most vibrant blossoms that have ever existed.

When a piece of high-quality original content manages to claw its way past all of the many obstacles that it faces, it gets seen by literally millions of people. When someone shares a unique perspective or an engaging story, it can impact minds all across the globe. When a little-known fact or an impromptu writing lesson gets elevated, the average wisdom in the world increases.

Each new offering may only amount to a faint flicker in the darkness, but in the end, even the smallest spark can light the way forward. Reddit allows entertainment and information to be passed between anybody who might want it, and when people upvote, comment, and share, those tiny motes of light can grow to illuminate everyone. Yes, there’s a lot of noise, and yes, there are plenty of problems, but that’s only because the site showcases humanity in its purest form… and humans are capable of astounding brilliance.

I’ve made treasured friends on Reddit. I’ve been approached with opportunities that are usually the stuff of daydreams. I’ve watched things that I made or wrote get passed around all over the Internet. I’ve collaborated with some exceptional individuals, I’ve gotten to see people achieve lifelong ambitions, and I’ve laughed until I literally could not breathe at some of the patently absurd nonsense that shows up on the site.

As such, if I had to distill my time on Reddit into something that would fit on a postcard, here’s what I’d say:


TL;DR: Here's What Ten Years On Reddit Taught Me

When there’s the chance that the eyes of the world will be watching you, make your very best effort to entertain, inform, educate, or inspire… and always offer the highest level of quality that you can. You’ll face derision, hostility, and dismissal, and you’ll be frustrated when low-effort reposts eclipse the work that you’ve done, but you’ll also discover that a single smile, chuckle, or glimmer of new understanding can make all of that worthwhile.

Take advice from people who are more skilled than you, silently dismiss criticism from people who aren't, and pass on your knowledge to folks who might benefit from it. Learn from every experience, choose earnestness over apathy, and remind yourself that applause – much like karma – is only meaningful when it’s offered in response to something that you personally created or accomplished. Even then, keep in mind that you might have just gotten lucky, and never stop looking for your next chance to contribute.

When you approach a piece of content, give it just a little bit more consideration than you initially think that it deserves. Ask yourself if other people – people with different opinions and perspectives than you personally hold – might appreciate something. Put yourself in the shoes of every creator, commenter, and consumer that you encounter. Come to your own conclusions, but temper them with empathy, humility, and respect.

Above all else, remember the human… and all that being human entails.


Alright, so maybe it would have to be a big postcard.

In any case, thank you for reading.

As a reward for making it this far, here's some minimalist toilet-humor.


r/TheoryOfReddit • • Dec 14 '12

Reddit is a corporate investment and we are the product. Should we care? A quick review and some implications.

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SUMMARY

Reddit is, above all, a corporate business investment. One where the owners (Advance Publications) and employees have a contractual incentive to create a company valuation of over $240 million…and to then sell.

Reddit users and moderators are the product - no surprise there. Unfortunately, reddit continues to lose money for investors while, at the same time, experiencing tremendous growth.

Investors and management are concerned about becoming Digg 2.0 - where the quest for profitability destroys the site itself. On the other hand, you have Facebook valuations as a guiding light.

Discuss whether users and moderators can (or should) have a significant say in how Reddit can become profitable. I personally believe it’s in our best interest if we want the site to survive and if we would like to sustain the community.

Wall of details below.

DISCLOSURE: I’m a long-term redditor and mod with zero interest in reddit outside of my desire to keep the community alive. In 2006, I worked for a tech firm and personally evaluated reddit as an acquisition candidate. (We passed on the opportunity without exchanging confidential information.) The following is solely based on publicly available information plus M&A and reddit experience.


**Reddit Business History – Follow the Money**

At the end of 2006, Condé Nast bought Reddit from [Alexis Ohanian, Steve Huffman, Y Combinator and other investors for an undisclosed amount]( http://www.inc.com/magazine/201206/christine-lagorio/alexis-ohanian-reddit-how-i-did-it.html) – ranging anywhere from less than $5 million to [$10-20 million.]( http://betabeat.com/2012/06/how-erik-martin-king-bee-of-reddits-hive-mind-harnessed-the-buzz-clocking-2-5-billion-pageviews-the-site-has-left-the-conde-mothership/)  

Since inception, [Reddit has never been profitable. ]( http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/12v8y3/now_is_the_time_to_invest_in_gold/c6yfbuh)  That’s not a problem if you are an entrepreneur whose main goal is to sell the company to a corporation.  Simply cash out and either move on (Huffman) or also stick around to run the business as well (Ohanian).  The issue is that Reddit has been owned by a corporation for six years.  That’s a long time for an investment of $___ millions to make negative returns.

Reddit has struggled with implementing traditional revenue generating approaches like advertising.  Part of the issue is the reddit community – we simply do not like advertising or promotions.  [Some viral campaigns do well]( http://www.urlesque.com/2010/07/15/old-spice-man-response-videos/) but these do not always bring in revenues.   [The basic advertising program isn’t the best.]( http://blog.crunched.com/results-of-the-crunched-com-reddit-advertising-campaign-fail/)

In mid-2010, [reddit management told the community that the site didn’t have enough money to keep up with growth. ]( http://blog.reddit.com/2010/07/reddit-needs-help.html)  Condé Nast was tired of funding Reddit and it wasn’t bringing in enough money.  

>The bottom line is, we need more resources. 

>Whenever this topic comes up on the site, someone always posts a comment about how reddit is owned by Conde Nast, a billion-dollar corporation like Time Warner or Cobra, and how if they wanted to they could hire a thousand engineers and purchase a million dollars worth of heavy iron. But here's the thing: corporations aren't run like charities. They keep separate budgets for each business line, and usually allocate resources proportionate to revenue. And reddit's revenue isn't great. 

[Thus the launch of Reddit Gold – a virtual bake sale that has helped to keep the lights on.]( http://blog.reddit.com/2010/07/it-was-triumph.html)  From a multi-billion dollar corporation perspective that money is cute. Like a puppy.  It’s not enough to make reddit profitable, but it buys time.


**Make Reddit Worth $240+ Million, Attract Investors and Sell**

At the end of 2011, Reddit was shifted from under Condé Nast to a [new structure under Condé Nast’s parent company, Advance Publications.]( http://blog.reddit.com/2011/09/independence.html)  It’s a bit of corporate ownership shuffling where the original owner pulled reddit from under a subsidiary and isolated it under a new ownership structure.  

Good news is that this type of structuring means reddit is valuable to the parent.  For some reason, most of the media and redditors have missed the other implications.  [Last month, Forbes contributor John Anders got it right…](http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2012/10/31/what-is-reddit-worth/)

Simply put, the goal is to monetize the site and to then sell *part* or *all* of it:

* Reddit was recapitalized (the original investors were bought out) and ownership was shifted from Condé Nast to the parent company, Advance Publications.  The new deal is that if Reddit is valued (and sold) for over $240 million, employees and Advanced Publications will share proportionately in the sale. If it is less, then Reddit employees get less.

* The site currently has a burn rate of over $7 million per year.  The way Reddit handles advertising and Reddit Gold today does not bring in enough money to cover costs.  

* Mainstream advertisers see reddit as being to ‘bohemian’.  Even those who are good with reddit are concerned about the darker corners of the site.  “As long as we don’t participate in categories of Reddit that raise questions,” [Aaron Magness, vice president for marketing at Coastal.com] says, “we’re safe.”


**Why This Matters to Redditors**

[Reddit managers and board members are struggling to make the site profitable while, at the same time, to hold the site together. ]( http://mashable.com/2012/11/30/monetize-community-reddit/)  They don’t have the answers, but have been trying to find non-traditional ways [like the new redditgifts.com marketplace]( http://redditgifts.com/marketplace/) and Reddit Gold.  

Should we care?  What type of (profitable) changes to Reddit are we willing to accept?  What are we not?  Is it less about the addition of advertising or search revenues and more about *how* these are implemented?

Personally, I’m rooting for them to keep the site rolling and I would be fine with traditional ads and the like in order for reddit to pay the bills.  I also believe that the site would be more valuable to new owners if the reddit community was on-board with how these revenues are generated. If the owners and employees make millions along the way, then so be it as well.  Not sure if the average redditor agrees, though.  

Thoughts?