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PGL Major Kraków 2017 Main Qualifier
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Streams
PGL | SL TV | IzakOOO | 99Damage | O'G TV | Spíler TV
Timezones
| PDT | EDT | BRT | BST | CEST | CST | AEST |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles | Atlanta | São Paulo | London | Cologne | Beijing | Canberra |
| UTC-7 | UTC-4 | UTC-3 | UTC+1 | UTC+2 | UTC+8 | UTC+10 |
Schedule
| ID | Team 1 | vs | Team 2 | Result | PDT | EDT | BRT | BST | CEST | CST | AEST |
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| D1 | PENTA | vs | Vega | 16-8 | 00:00 | 03:00 | 04:00 | 08:00 | 09:00 | 15:00 | 17:00 |
| D2 | TyL | vs | HR | 11-16 | 01:25 | 04:25 | 05:25 | 09:25 | 10:25 | 16:25 | 18:25 |
| D3 | Dig | vs | RNG | 16-14 | 03:10 | 06:10 | 07:10 | 11:10 | 12:10 | 18:10 | 20:10 |
| D4 | GOD | vs | IMT | 14-16 | 04:40 | 07:40 | 08:40 | 12:40 | 13:40 | 19:40 | 21:40 |
| D5 | C9 | vs | F3 | 16-3 | 06:20 | 09:20 | 10:20 | 14:20 | 15:20 | 21:20 | 23:20 |
| D6 | BIG | vs | TL | 16-10 | 07:35 | 10:35 | 11:35 | 15:35 | 16:35 | 22:35 | 00:35 |
| E1 | HR | vs | IMT | 13-16 | 09:15 | 12:15 | 13:15 | 17:15 | 18:15 | 00:15 | 02:15 |
| E2 | Dig | vs | Vega | 5-16 | 10:50 | 13:50 | 14:50 | 18:50 | 19:50 | 01:50 | 03:50 |
| E3 | TL | vs | F3 | 23-25 | 12:10 | 15:10 | 16:10 | 20:10 | 21:10 | 03:10 | 05:10 |
Standings
| Place | Team Name | W&L | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 |
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| 1. | mousesports | 3-0 | 16-1 | 16-11 | 16-14 | ||
| 1. | G2 Esports | 3-0 | 22-20 | 16-11 | 16-13 | ||
| 3. | PENTA Sports | 3-1 | 16-14 | 16-3 | 14-16 | 16-8 | |
| 3. | Cloud9 | 3-1 | 16-10 | 11-16 | 16-11 | 16-3 | |
| 3. | BIG | 3-1 | 10-16 | 16-14 | 16-9 | 16-10 | |
| 6. | Immortals | 3-2 | 20-22 | 16-13 | 9-16 | 16-14 | 16-13 |
| 6. | Vega Squadron | 3-2 | 10-16 | 16-10 | 16-10 | 8-16 | 16-5 |
| 6. | FlipSid3 Tactics | 3-2 | 19-16 | 16-4 | 13-16 | 3-16 | 25-23 |
| 9. | | 2-3 | 16-10 | 4-16 | 2-16 | 16-11 | 13-16 |
| 9. | | 2-3 | 14-16 | 13-16 | 16-7 | 16-14 | 5-16 |
| 9. | | 2-3 | 22-19 | 3-16 | 16-2 | 10-16 | 23-25 |
| 12. | | 1-3 | 19-22 | 16-14 | 10-16 | 11-16 | |
| 12. | | 1-3 | 16-19 | 14-16 | 16-10 | 14-16 | |
| 12. | | 1-3 | 16-14 | 11-16 | 11-16 | 14-16 | |
| 15. | | 0-3 | 1-16 | 14-16 | 7-16 | ||
| 15. | | 0-3 | 14-16 | 10-16 | 10-16 |
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u/EyLuis MIBR Jul 02 '17
Isn't the swiss system built to have a team comeback from being down 0-2, and also a team lose out from being up 2-0?
Happened last major qualifier if I recall correctly...
Immortals were 2-0 then ended 2-3; nV were 0-2 then ended 3-2.
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u/thekmanpwnudwn 500k Celebration Jul 02 '17
Yes, it's possible. Doesn't mean it has to happen.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/ESL/One/2016/Cologne/Offline_Qualifier
ESL One Cologne 2016 is the first Major to use swiss format in the qualifier. No 0-2 teams came back to 3-2, and no 2-0 teams fell to 2-3.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 02 '17
Probably won't happen - the only 0-2 teams (initially) left are Dignitas and Renegades who are playing each other. So one of them might go through but I doubt it.
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u/Staross Jul 02 '17
I very rarely watch CS but that was great, such an easy esport to watch, you immediately get the tension.
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u/dixon5y MIBR Jul 02 '17
Yes, CS is the best easy esport to watch
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u/anemous Liquid Jul 02 '17
I think it's probably the best just because of how easy it is to get into. I love watching League but you actually have to play the game to know what's going on. With CSGO you could know nothing about it and never played it but still understand the basics of what's happening.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 02 '17
its ok vega boys rest up before your next game and stomp whoever you get
I just want electronic and mir stickers from same major plsss
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u/arkwewt Jul 02 '17
lowkey rooting for vega so i can get vega stickers and meme my guns
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 02 '17
mir is a god and i really want his sticks
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u/OldSchoolSmurf bravo Jul 02 '17
tyloo doesn't have an awper, which stops them going further. Mo is a rifler using awp, not an awper.
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u/Dragon_Fisting Tyloo Jul 02 '17
Tyloo has some real bad luck. Savage won't play with them and qz gets banned. They've tried to secure most of the good awpers in China but it always falls through.
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u/soundbars 10 years coin Jul 02 '17
If Team Liquid wins this next game, IMT vs HR, Dig vs BIG and Vega vs F3.
edit: This is because in Swiss you can't face same opponent twice.
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u/Spider2458 Liquid Jul 02 '17
This is it. I'll spend the rest of my life watching this game. It'll never end.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Jul 02 '17
There are only going to be 5 Swedes in Krakow... wtf happened to Swedish CS?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17
Like when people said RIP Mouse afte NiKo left. This game is not only about "Stars", but also about team chemistry
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 02 '17
HR unlucky? F3 and Liquid both deserve the major much more than HR IMO, they are the losers of the draw.
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u/hulksreddit 10 years coin Jul 02 '17
Watching TyLoo consistently lose rounds that looked like they had total control of is so disappointing, I want to see that team make it so badly
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u/Tiel- Tyloo Jul 02 '17
Yeah :/
Hopefully now that perfect world and CSGO's official release in China makes their scene more competitive by the next major. That will probably make them more experienced and not lose stupid rounds like that..
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u/MrCheaperCreeper Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
Sorry this is probably a really stupid question but I'm not too familiar with how majors work. Where are SK and fnatic? Are they automagically qualified?
Edit: thank you /u/garretgsf /u/vorpal107 /u/futalord
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u/Futalord Jul 02 '17
Qualified due placing top 8 last time: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/PGL/2017/Krakow
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17
They are already qualified, because they made it into the playoffs last Major. 8 teams are always automatically qualified (Astralis, VP, SK, Fnatic, Gambit, Faze, Navi and anotherone I cannot recall right now), and 8 qualify over the main qualifier.
Edit: North is the last team that I forgot to mention
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u/AC1114 Jul 02 '17
Fnatic, SK, Faze, Astralis, Navi etc. have already qualified through the legends spots - meaning that they made it to the playoffs of the last major. There are 8 legends and 8 teams that qualify through here.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17
How the hell do you go from 5-0 with excellent economy to 5-5 on Train ct-side?
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u/TheYelloOne BIG Jul 02 '17
Tabsen not even showing up and BIG are still looking solid. This team is the perfect example of what teamplay, strategy and tactics can get you even if you don't have the maddest fraggers
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u/Jannekvinna Jul 02 '17
3 smoke kills and one jumping ak kill. The gods want IMT to finally get to the major.
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u/DelLosSpaniel Jul 02 '17
I would expect employed casters to pay pretty much full attention to the game rather than tweeting and watching motorsports while a round is live.
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u/Arcille 10 years coin Jul 02 '17
F3 and Liquid both deserve a spot over some of the other teams.
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u/psych4191 Jul 02 '17
Dignitas has a chance to go to the major by beating Tengri, Renegades, and Vega.
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u/funk_rosin cs_militia Jul 02 '17
optic on the other hand, messed up by losing to penta, vega and renegades. also swiss system for ya
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u/soundbars 10 years coin Jul 02 '17
I hope Vega has a T side on Inferno, I can't watch any more choke
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 02 '17
we lost 3-16 on mirage, let's play it again
nice logic, liquid and f3
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17
The game will be stuck forever on a 3-3 score as no one is able to win more rounds than 3...
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u/TKLANDGMKONLY Godsent Jul 02 '17
Not sure Godsent is good or IMT is just bad
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u/Shun_ Jul 02 '17
Little bit of both
I've never rated IMT, but Godsent have a very high ceiling they can never seem to reach.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17
Another 16-14 game? How many of those did we have this qualifier?
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u/diverlad 1 Million Celebration Jul 02 '17
Cloud 9's use of nades is on point showing the prep they have put in. Looking good for them to do well.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Jul 02 '17
Have the talent forgotten that C9 missed Cologne 2016 and Atlanta 2017? They keep saying "yet again they make a Major" or something similar. Congrats to C9 tho, autimatic finally getting his own stickers.
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u/UBourgeois Tyloo Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
As in, they make a Major yet again after missing the last couple. The org's been at 7/11 Majors, so their presence is historically expected.
edit: 7 Majors, not 8
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u/diverlad 1 Million Celebration Jul 02 '17
Does anyone else hate that EGB ad? The voice is just off to me.
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u/UBourgeois Tyloo Jul 02 '17
It's English that's just short of being perfectly fluent, but delivered very confidently.
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u/equinox790 Jul 02 '17
How the fuck are Liquid losing to a team with Legija. Somebody should bitchslap them to wake them up
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17
Not only against a team WITH Legija, also BECAUSE of Legija feelsbadman
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u/Shun_ Jul 02 '17
Being an F3 fan is stressful. Entertaining, but stressful.
They never make it easy for themselves.
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u/Tyrull Astralis Jul 02 '17
It's a shame Elige is unable to keep his cool. The lack of mental fortitude keeps dragging him down.
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u/Taaank de_inferno Jul 02 '17
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ RENEGADES TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
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Jul 02 '17
I'm sorry man. That last round must have been like a slap in the face =(.
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u/durden666 BIG Jul 02 '17
one-tabseN bottom-fragging, keev and legija positive KDR. Am I still asleep?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
If (only IF) Big wins, we could see either IMT-F3 or IMT-Liquid. Oh boi, that would be exciting!
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u/mdyox Virtus.pro Jul 02 '17
OH BOI, Kraków will be amazing. I would love to see Vega Squadron qualifying to the major now after BIG.
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u/spareamint Cloud9 Jul 02 '17
C9 is almost guaranteed not to be the 5th seed as they defeated BIG (who is also 3-1).
It's between BIG and Penta to be the worst 5th seed (aka opponents faced = weaker)
C9 opponents: BIG (3-1), lost to G2 (3-0), Godsent (1-3), Flip (3-2 or 2-3).
BIG: Lost to C9 (3-1), beat Tengri (0-3), Immortals (3-2 or 2-3), Liquid (3-2 or 2-3)
Penta: Lost to Mouz (3-0), beat Optic (0-3), Liquid (3-2 or 2-3), Vega (3-2 or 2-3)
C9 prefers Flip to win next game.
If Immortals face Vega, BIG prefer Imm to win, Penta prefer Vega to win. If Immortals face Liquid then BIG prefers Imm, Penta prefers Liq.
What this is about is about splitting up between the worst 3-1 and the better 3-1, as the worst one would be considered 5th best in qualifying, and as a result the bottom 4 seeds
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u/throwaway9901234 G2 Jul 02 '17
IMT and TL please 😭 i am torn between vega and dig cos i really want to see fox in a major :(
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Jul 02 '17
I cannot recall deadfox doing a single thing well. He has no business being on this team nor playing at this level in the future, he lost the game for his team.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17
This Major will be so interesting, so much new blood. Really incredible how diverse the scene is atm
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u/Ravioli227 BIG Jul 02 '17
Vega or BIG flair is one of the hardest choices i've made in awhile.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 02 '17
I mean, you could also let him plant and then swarm him, or you peek 1by1 through a molotov...
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u/mdyox Virtus.pro Jul 02 '17
This game excites me, even if I don't root for any of the teams.
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u/Waldendy hydra Jul 02 '17
the amount of whiffs from waylander is fucking insane
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u/commanderchurro Jul 02 '17
I know... blah blah blah rosters don't need to be comprised of superstar fraggers but goddamn waylander has been way too inconsistent for too long. On the other hand, electronic is scary.
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u/LongShotTheory de_cobble Jul 02 '17
Hell yea Flipside!!! Blade is an insane Igl.
Although The major will mis LG, they have some of the most amazing talents and they won't be in the major. Very unfortunate.
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u/fpmKcsgo de_cobble Jul 02 '17
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u/LongShotTheory de_cobble Jul 02 '17
One of these teams will go out while Vega and Immortals go through ?
shit draws are shit.
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Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
If you can't win 3 games against challengers, you don't really deserve to go toe to toe with legends
Qualifiers aren't a popularity contest either, sometimes worse teams with better results will go through over better teams, then again, I guess flair checks out with teams being unfairly given spots that they don't deserve at all :)
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u/svendborgcomments Jul 02 '17
Flip was 2-0 lol
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u/A_Pragmatic_Bear Liquid Jul 02 '17
Then they get matched with G2, Cloud9 and now Liquid. Poor bastards. Although they definitely could beat TL.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 02 '17
GS on Cobble? Against IMT? Oh pronax, mate, you really fucked up today
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u/pavlo850 1 Million Celebration Jul 02 '17
Why would he play so close with that awp? Even if he managed to get one kill he's completely in the open and is just gonna get instantly traded
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u/Nanotoxic_al ar_baggage Jul 02 '17
It doesn't really feel like Vega nor Dignitas deserve to be in the major. Vega stickers would be sick though.
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u/yikdan de_dust2 Jul 02 '17
how did fox not expect that mid push after that smoke went down ffs? classic renegades thing
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u/SavageVikings Astralis Jul 02 '17
Why does twist keep playing with this abomination of a team? It was so sad watching him rage in the end, so heartbreaking....
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 02 '17
F3 have lost Mirage 9 times in a row and C9's latest match on Mirage was against Astralis which they won. I'm scared of B1ad3's 4d chess right now.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Jul 02 '17
F3 are going to easily win then, because screw logic. C9's latest match on Mirage was a 15-19 loss to FaZe btw.
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u/YourAsianBuddy Jul 02 '17
My first day watching PGL game (watching C9:F3) these video effects are pretty dope.
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u/Gibblesman Jul 02 '17
I want so bad for Flipside and Immortals to now play each other. It is as the prophecy says. Flipside must always qualify to the major, and Immortals not.
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u/MartinXZ69 Jul 02 '17
whats that song they use at the start of the ads, the one that says 'i know i can make it' and some other shit
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u/plonkyy Renegades Jul 02 '17
Can't wait for Renegades to throw away another game