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Discussion | Esports BIG vs Team Liquid / PGL Major Kraków 2017 Main Qualifier - Round 4 / Post-Match Discussion
BIG 1-0 Team Liquid
Train: 16-10
Congratulations to BIG on qualifying for the PGL Major Kraków 2017!
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PGL Major Kraków 2017 Main Qualifier - Information, Schedule & Discussion
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MAP: Train
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| BIG | 8 | 8 | 16 |
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| TL | 7 | 3 | 10 |
| BIG | K | A | D |
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| gob b | 23 | 2 | 14 |
| keev | 19 | 4 | 13 |
| LEGIJA | 18 | 6 | 19 |
| tabseN | 18 | 3 | 21 |
| nex | 17 | 5 | 17 |
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| Twistzz | 25 | 3 | 16 |
| EliGE | 17 | 7 | 20 |
| nitr0 | 17 | 2 | 19 |
| jdm64 | 14 | 0 | 20 |
| stanislaw | 11 | 4 | 21 |
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u/Brolaub 1 Million Celebration Jul 02 '17
Redeye: You probably watched Liquids last Train Game, right? Gob: Actually we watched Liquids last 6 Train Games, we knew we would play it
God, I love this man
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u/JanEric1 Jul 02 '17
what i found most impressive is that they actually ONLY watched train demos.
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u/GuttersnipeTV cs_office Jul 02 '17
Just goes to show how much watching demos puts you at advantage. Kinda sad some players/teams wont even bother with watching it themselves and hire analysts to report everything to them which just isnt the same thing.
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u/snake-doc Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
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u/Xenocider Jul 02 '17
great games from each team all around, future is looking bright =)
on the other hand it got very annoying watching BiG/Liquid on train and just hearing Anders/semmler drone on and on about how gob b doesn't bring firepower to the team.
Gob b has been BiG's second best fragger for the past 2 months and arguably carried them through this qualifier frag-wise Proof: https://gyazo.com/9bc739498c60d598f9b546713245be02
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u/snake-doc Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
Yeah, during Round 5 I had to mute the stream for a while, because I couldn't stand their drivel any longer. Later it got better.
Btw are you still playing dude ?
Edit: Though gob has been great in the two qualifiers, that's relatively new.
His problem for a long while before had been bad positioning on ct side and ineffective clutching on t side, which did cost them a lot of rounds and even matches. For example Inferno in the Mt. Dew league finale, where his balcony defense was just atrocious.
Guess Anders and Semmler haven't watched BIG in a while or maybe ever.
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u/Xenocider Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
nah i stopped playing a few years ago, kind of surprised to get recognized here haha
edit: thanks for the kind words guys put a smile on my face today :D
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u/ChappyPappy Jul 02 '17
anders and semmler are pretty below average casters that seem disconnected from the scene IMO. just me tho
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I've always felt that they had a lesser understanding of CS compared to other casters, but were the most entertaining in big moments; because they would be the most emotionally invested in the game compared to other casters.
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u/F1nalMasterpiece BIG Jul 02 '17
Right now Dan & James are my favorites, but I enjoy all of them.
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u/batigoal NiP Jul 02 '17
Well tbf there are 6 Germans between the 3 teams.
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u/sliceofcakesan BIG Jul 02 '17
I mean. Legija is pretty German too. Probably just as German as Gob b is.
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u/schochel BIG Jul 02 '17
Is kind of hilarious that 3 germans organizations only have 6 German players and 4 are from the same team.
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If you are going off organisations then you can count SK, who have no German players.
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u/fr4nticstar 10 years coin Jul 02 '17
That's why I see only BIG as a german team and not PENTA or mouz ...
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u/Impulseps BIG Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
einfach für die professionelle deutsche Esports-Organisation Berlin International Gaming bestehend aus dem Scharfschützen Kevin "keev" Bartholomäus, Ansager Fatih "gob b" Dayik, Talentspieler Johannes "nex" Maget, Unterstützer Nikola "LEGIJA" Ninic & dem verrückten Töter Johannes "Tabsen" Wodarz von der deutschen Esports-Organisation Berlin International Gaming aus dem mitteleuropäischen Land Deutschland
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u/PootieTooGood BIG Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
give me my fuckin BIG flair mods
big, penta and mouz all qualifying. best case scenario happened for me. I have so many teams to root for in the major :')
clip of the winning moment. love the celebration
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Jul 02 '17
germans are used to invade poland.
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Jul 02 '17
krakow final
big vs vp
big starts on t-side inferno
somehow, they get to B before the CT's every single round
16-0
the neural conditioning in immortals and sk, the boys from brazil, activate
they start screaming in german and flip tables and shit
kanzlerinn merkel announces the dissolution of individual nation-states in the EU and their subsequent absorbtion into the greater german state
donald trump declares war
italy switches sides
russia loses most of its able-bodied men
hiroshima is nuked
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u/GivePLZ-DoritosChip MIBR Jul 02 '17
Its quite stupid that the mods don't allow flairs for at least the top 100 teams. /r/Soccer has thousands of flairs, same with all sports subreddits.
Your team shouldn't have to qualify for a major for your fans to represent it. Just being lazy to be honest. If the reason is to have "rare flairs" that is an even worse explanation.
I can personally do all the flairs for this sub in 1 day. It would add variety to this sub and let people support who they want.
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u/MyFriendIsInsane Jul 02 '17
I really doubt adding flairs is that much of a task tbh.
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u/GivePLZ-DoritosChip MIBR Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
Its not. I've modded a big sports sub in the past. If you have a lot of flairs you can create a spritesheet or you can also do it 1 by 1 via CSS, the third way is by a bot which is only slightly more complicated. These days you can just punch in the logos and use a spritesheet generator then do a little CSS work to tell the subreddit where on the spritesheet the logos are , I had to do flairs back when it wasn't possible and we still did 100+ by uploading 1 picture for each logo separately and then writing code for it which is still copy paste while changing file names. We then switched to spritesheet when it was added and it was even easier.
The mods are just lazy, 20-30 flairs for a subreddit with 500k+ people. Yeah guys pick between these 20-30 flairs half of which aren't even teams, it should show your support for your teams.
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u/control_09 EG Jul 02 '17
/r/CFB has dual flairs for users leading to about 40,000 combinations.
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u/RBozydar Virtus.pro Jul 02 '17
Gob b back to back 4ks were godlike
Twistzz once again breaking his back
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jul 02 '17
How tilted is NRG org right now? :>
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u/Totllynotadinosaur Jul 02 '17
Why would they be tilted?
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Jul 02 '17
Because they used to have gob B, tabsen, LEGIJA etc
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u/Totllynotadinosaur Jul 02 '17
Huh, I knew that had gob b but never knew they had others, thanks
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u/iSluff Jul 02 '17
Congrats to keev for making his first major! He will join suNny, HS, zehn, ropz, oskar, autimatic, and felps as the players playing at their first major at Krakow so far!
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DIESER SUBREDDIT IST JETZT DEUTSCH
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u/Lythor Vitality Jul 02 '17
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MIT OSTERREICH?
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u/da_longe Natus Vincere Jul 02 '17
BIGs coach is Austrian, he got anschlussed in february
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u/AndrewsJV2 MOUZ Jul 02 '17
BIG going from a new team to being in their first final to qualifying for the major. So many awesome storylines with this team, and so nice to see them all show up.
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u/MLGlegolas MOUZ Jul 02 '17
Penta is basically new team - with basically all new line-up
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Behind a german org that has many fans and has done well in the past, it's just great and I'm very happy for all of them
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u/wtfidkl0l BIG Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
G O D T A B S E N
G O D T A B S E
G O D T A B S
G O D T A B
G O D T A
G O D T
G O D
G O D B
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Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17
I am so fucking wet right now.
I love you gob b
Secret footage from a tabseN gob b conversation this morning. TabseN thoughts about Liquid (ger)
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u/wtfidkl0l BIG Jul 02 '17
GOD B is such a mastermind he puts his best tactic in his name so he has more time to frag
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u/onkel_axel Jul 02 '17
that video is so disturbing "timos mutter arbeitet aufem kutter"
and that article about a woman who wants to be disabled for her whole life.that is how BIG spends their free time, lol
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u/kingtut11 Liquid Jul 02 '17
jdm and stan with 40 adr is really fucking rough
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u/AemonDK Jul 02 '17
and jdm started off so well
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He basically had the perfect start to a game as an awper. Up 3-0, plenty of eco frags, only died once (which really just gives you an excuse to upgrade to the AWP) and proceeds to do nothing the rest of the game.
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u/steven00123 CS2 HYPE Jul 02 '17
Nice double kill from Stan there onto Optic and Liquid
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u/Michor BIG Jul 02 '17
Mousesport, PENTA and BIG made it to the major? Someone pinch me please - what a year for German CS!
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u/PUGChamp- de_nuke Jul 02 '17
BIG finally a team that actually shows emotions and celebrates.
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u/Khrome7 BIG Jul 02 '17
tabseN is a fucking national treasure, it's been a while since I've seen an esports player show that much excitement after a win.give BIG flair pls mods
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u/sA1atji BIG Jul 02 '17
Gob B is just insane when you listen to the post game interview... :D
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Started from the bottom now we're here
Started from the bottom now my whole team fAKING BIG
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u/pedrohnj Jul 02 '17
pls no liquid versus immortals
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u/MLGlegolas MOUZ Jul 02 '17
Immortals should have Fallen out already. - See what I did there.
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u/Ravioli227 BIG Jul 02 '17
I love SK. But BIG Flair and Tabsen stickers incoming real fast.
GOD B with the carry.
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u/legaala ENCE Jul 02 '17
mfw we have more German teams this major than NA teams
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Jul 02 '17
There's only one German team and only 1 NA team. Mouz and PENTA don't exactly count considering they each have only 1 German. If we count that, then we could say we have 2 Estonian teams in the major too.
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I guess everyone is calling mouz and Penta german because:
(1) German orgs
(2) used to be german
(3) if we count chrisJ as "german", mouz has 2 Germans
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u/PavelDatsyuk88 Jul 02 '17
gobb shitting on NA's best team ever way possible and casters talking like he is pronax
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u/PixelJakob G2 Jul 02 '17
I'm really happy for BIG right now. gob b has been playing more DM lately and it shows
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u/gloini MOUZ Jul 02 '17
BiG is such a role model. They started their org with nothing more than a dream and a plan. Being considered another german T3 team that won't have any impact internationally.
Having to qualify for basically everything to winning the first small tournaments, getting into pro league, winning the minor and qualifying for the major.
Other teams have a lot of ups and downs, from causing upsets to going out in the first round while BiG seems to just keep getting better, AMAZING. BiG props to them, I wonder how far they can go
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u/sA1atji BIG Jul 02 '17
3 teams with germans and one of them pretty much full germans... holy shit, I love this major already. And I'll go broke with all those stickers I have to buy...
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u/SunshineZz King NiKo Jul 02 '17
tabsen deserves it so much
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u/IgotUBro MOUZ Jul 02 '17
They all deserve it. Gob B and Legija stepping up big time. Nex and Keev shutting down Liquid rushes were also BIG.
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u/FlushaIsSexy Jul 02 '17
Sorry fnatic but i think BIG is my new favourite, this name awkward now
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u/Thrannn BIG Jul 02 '17
can we take a second and talk about the FAKE BOMB PLANT from BIG?
i didnt really understand why they did it, since they just needed a plant. there was no way they could have hold the afterplant in an eco. but i think the move in general is awesome and could bring a whole new meta to the game. would like to see more mindgames like that in future
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u/F1nalMasterpiece BIG Jul 03 '17
Only gob b would come up with something like this. Never seen such a play.
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u/Duckfright Jul 02 '17
I'm happy for BIG, this also means that 2 out of 3 EU-minor teams have gone through! :o
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u/equinox790 Jul 02 '17
Anybody else notice that both Krystal and his traitors made it to the majors?
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u/Boranox BIG Jul 02 '17
einfach für die professionelle deutsche Esports-Organisation Berlin International Gaming bestehend aus dem Scharfschützen Kevin "keev" Bartholomäus, Ansager Fatih "gob b" Dayik, Talentspieler Johannes "nex" Maget, Supporter Nikola "LEGIJA" Ninic & dem Madfragger Johannes "Tabsen" Wodarz von der deutschen Esports-Organisation Berlin International Gaming aus dem mitteleuropäischen Land Deutschland
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u/Brolaub 1 Million Celebration Jul 02 '17
So happy to see that PGL Krakow won't only be the most estonian, but also the most german Major of all time! AUF GEHTS LEUTE!
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u/pancada_ FURIA Jul 02 '17
HR will play either dig or Immortals. 50/50. And both Penta and Big qualified, that's really cool
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u/PieGuy_ FaZe Jul 02 '17
I absolutely love how BIG plays such beautiful CS. Lots of credit to the mastermind gob b.
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u/yourewelcomesteve brigader Jul 02 '17
Did you watch his post game interview? holy crap, the mastermind.
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u/IgotUBro MOUZ Jul 02 '17
4 german orgs in the major and 3 of them got german players. WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/F1nalMasterpiece BIG Jul 02 '17
Where is my flair? Im ready!
Amazing that their hard work for the last 6 months payed off. I love this team. Finally the German CS fans has a team to look up too!
AUF GEHTS MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/Big_Stick01 Liquid Jul 02 '17
that was straight depressing. only one NA team at the major now..and its C9.. We're fucked.
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u/mdyox Virtus.pro Jul 02 '17
Amazing. You can't hate BIG, they were literally the most entertaining team to watch in these quali. Hope they achieve something in major, like getting out from group stages, I'm cheering for them.
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u/jsoraru EG Jul 02 '17
Poor Twistzz, what more can he do?
But yeah, this was just a simple matter of Gob B completely outcalling Stanislaw, BIG were definitely on point here tactically and even their aim looked somewhat good. I however don't see BIG upsetting any tier1 teams at the Major but they can definitely win against tier1.5 teams. Props to Gob B!
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u/fakeNAcsgoPlayer Jul 02 '17
Lmao wtf just happened.
Let's bum rush them and get slaughtered. Let's jump smokes because we can outaim the other team. Well deserved loss.
See you at next Minors Liquid. America's team is the right moniker for TL.... huehuehuehue
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u/SwampGamer CS2 HYPE Jul 02 '17
One promising thing that I did notice was that Elige looked extremely talkative during that match. I just hope it wasn't him raging or anything like that.
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u/razeyourshadows King NiKo Jul 02 '17
To Liquid: BIG had a grand total of THREE kills in the first five rounds. That's how bad you are.
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u/ColourYellow Jul 02 '17
This major is awesome so far, I'm loving the teams that are showing up and proving their worth.
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u/Cheesewithmold 1 Million Celebration Jul 02 '17
Good plays by Gob B. This is going to be one exciting major. Couple new teams coming in.
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u/i_like_polls Jul 02 '17
They only watched demos for train against Liquid, lol. Damn, that could have backfired a lot but it really did pay off in the end. God b hype!
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u/Siiiidox BIG Jul 02 '17
Saw them live in their first tournament in Leipzig. Awesome to see them qualifying for the Major within 6 months! ♥
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BIG deserved that with their play.
A constant pattern happens with the Liquid players. When they get a good start they eventually become complacent and begin making small mistakes that lead to their death. This in turn starts affecting their aim and reaction time that snowballs into them getting stomped.
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u/stenerikkasvo Jul 02 '17
fucking hell Gob B is so smart. Gob B plays chess while Stanislaw plays checkers. Simply outplayed.
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u/derace NiP Jul 02 '17
so happy for big. first austrian at a csgo major, even if its just a coach. kakafu <3
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u/Diavolo222 SK Jul 02 '17
I hate a lot on NA teams but Liquid should sweep F3. F3 have looked good but I think Twists and Elige can 2v5 them with just fire power alone. Unless they really choke.
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u/ButchTheGuy Liquid Jul 02 '17
Can't wait for the top 4 to just fuckin bully everyone who qualifies
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u/rlsN MOUZ Jul 02 '17
so nice to see gob stepping up from an individual standpoint recently. Was a huge factor for BIG during the Minor and this qualifier and reminded me of his days in 1.6.
Just overall happy for this team because they clearly put in a lot of heart and work into this project. Glad they got rewarded for it. Also seeing them celebrating on stage was a joy to see. So much passion for the game.
A bit sorry for Liquid considering they actually played quite well throughout the qualifier (apart from that Penta game) which is why I still think they are going to make it.
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u/ChildishForLife de_dust2 Jul 02 '17
I am really hoping to see tabseN go huge on the big stage. Would be sick to see.
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u/Thrannn BIG Jul 02 '17
i love this turk motherfucker. somebody give him a döner right now!
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u/omegazx00 Liquid Jul 02 '17
Twist tryna keep the dream alive...NT though on Liquid putting up a fight.
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u/AscendentReality Jul 02 '17
Its like Thorin said, I don't understand why these good teams that need igl to not even try to get gob b and blade.
They even turned up their dragging power on top of being legendary shotcallers
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u/roblobly Jul 02 '17
gotta love the gob b antisratting. one of the remaining great igls. i hope they get strat heavy teams at the major instead of aimstars. that would be interesting.
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u/xXx_EdGyNaMe_xXx 500k Celebration Jul 02 '17
god b is back, and he's ready, willing, and able! BIG to pull some upsets off at the major, I can sense it.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '17
Gob b 23 14
stanislaw 11 21
IGL battle won by gob b