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Discussion | Esports Tengri vs BIG / PGL Major Kraków 2017 Main Qualifier - Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion
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MAP: Cobblestone
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| Tengri | 6 | 8 | 14 |
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| BIG | 9 | 7 | 16 |
| Tengri | K | A | D |
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| SNk | 27 | 7 | 19 |
| Ramz1k | 24 | 1 | 20 |
| fitch | 20 | 3 | 23 |
| pachanga | 19 | 5 | 22 |
| sonic | 18 | 7 | 23 |
| BIG | |||
| tabseN | 38 | 6 | 22 |
| gob b | 23 | 3 | 19 |
| keev | 21 | 4 | 22 |
| nex | 16 | 8 | 21 |
| LEGIJA | 9 | 4 | 24 |
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u/Ludatanate G2 Jun 30 '17
tabsen should not have to get 38 kills to win 16-14 against a team mousesports 16-1'd
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u/CPTNCH Jun 30 '17
Biggest game of their life. They were probably nervous as fuck. Today they seemed more relaxed. They can probably steal a few rounds from mouz if they had more big lan experience.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 30 '17
tabseN and LEGIJA with 47 frags together, solid work!
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u/gorbatsh0ve Jun 30 '17 edited Jun 30 '17
everyone's hating on LEGIJA and rightfully so, but holy fucking shit what the fuck is keev doing? Constantly and needlessly switching to his knife, strafe-jumping where he shouldn't. He makes so many mistakes for someone that needs to be getting some fucking frags with the AWP. If he constantly mis-positions and continues to have almost zero impact, BIG won't go far. Keev is a decently skilled player, he needs to pull his weight. Imo LEGIJA is a lost cause, he just hasn't got the individual skill.
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Jun 30 '17
keev is pretty much braindead. good aim, but always inspecting his knife instead of watching angles lul
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u/Chris_8100 CS2 HYPE Jun 30 '17
Yeah, maybe he should sell his sapphire and play with the default knife
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Jun 30 '17
i sold all my skins and i play better now. i was watching some of my demos and when i had my karambit or m9 i would wait for the animation to finish on the knife if i was quick switching. now i stop caring about visuals and only treat my '3' key as a speed boost
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u/youtiItereh 10 years coin Jun 30 '17
I mean nex sitting at 16 kills vs Tengri is pretty bad aswell
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u/gorbatsh0ve Jun 30 '17 edited Jun 30 '17
For me it's less about the amount of frags. I criticize keev, because I think he's playing really dumb CS. The round he's saving his AWP -- why the fuck would you ever need to strafe-jump around the corner? The possiblity of someone being there is so fucking high and he's not hearing any footsteps behind him.
Another round where BIG is on the edge of their economy being broken, keev goes ahead and tries to peek platform. Why? tengri had been struggling to enter B site at that point and he just gives a frag away. That's just poor understanding of the game. Especially if you're the AWPer you need to keep the economy in mind and not risk your life in situations where the possible return is so marginal. Or the risk too high. In this case tengri has an AWP themselves and a round loss puts them at a double eco. Great time to go aggro then keev, really great.
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u/youtiItereh 10 years coin Jun 30 '17
Agreed. i was just pointing out that while legija had a terrible game its not like the rest of BIG played amazing either (excluding tabsen ofc)
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jun 30 '17
I hope they make it to the Major somehow, get absolutely SMASHED in groups with Tabsen performing well and he gets picked up by MOuz ( instead of Denis ) and take mouz to top 5.
Imagine, GobB, OSkar, ropz, Tabsen and lowel, not a bad team at all.
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u/manatidederp NiP Jun 30 '17
So tilting to watch him go for a clean shot only to draw out his knife instead of firing. Like, seriously dude..
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u/Trebacca Jun 30 '17
Yeah keep didn't show against C9 either if they want to stay in it and make and progress within the major keev needs to step up.
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u/lmpervious Jun 30 '17
There is nothing more satisfying than seeing a pro player mindlessly do a quick switch for no reason, and getting punished for it by an enemy peeking. I never understand why they feel the need to periodically make themselves completely unprepared for an enemy.
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u/gonnj FaZe Jun 30 '17
"Hmmm im having a bad game, LETS PEEK LONG 6 TIMES TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS"
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u/IgotUBro MOUZ Jun 30 '17
Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact… same fucking thing… over and over again, expecting… shit to change.
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u/RadiantSun FaZe Jun 30 '17
If they had literally anyone instead of LEGIJA, BIG would be a top end Tier 2 team.
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Jun 30 '17
-legija
+spidi
people hate on spidi because he often played like shit but atleast he played like shit against good teams
sadly gob b wants to keep his buddy on the team because he knows that legija wont get on any other team
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u/wobmaster Jun 30 '17
I said it before and I say it now: They will never cut legija. The only way would be for him to step down.
The problem is, that legija, believe it or not, actually sometimes has good games. So now they always have the possibility to say "hey, he is just in a slump now and will get back to form. He has shown in the past that he can do it"
The problem is, that every player in BIG is very inconsistent so they need an anchor besides tabsen to consitently deliver. Not insane numbers, but just consistency.39
Jun 30 '17
I think the only reason he is there is because he is gob's friend
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u/archangel_n7 Jun 30 '17
I understand the whole frags aren't everything mentality but at the same time you can't have two bots on your team. Legijia really doesn't bring anything a more skilled player wouldn't.
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u/Schnarkenhals BIG Jun 30 '17
I know Legija is playing a hard support role, but this is just too much. If BIG might not make it then +Spiidi has to happen.
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Jun 30 '17
lmao sadly LEGIJA is no longer playing the shitty roles... so calling him "support" is no longer viable as he doesn't play as support nor in CT/T.
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u/Ainine9 CS2 HYPE Jun 30 '17
Dude was the worse player for the ENTIRE game, Tengri lost and still had more impact than he did.
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Jun 30 '17
Legjia's pretty much been the designated bottom fragger for his entire CS:GO career at this point
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u/KetoKilvo FURIA Jun 30 '17
Do people remember when legija was the first ever "IGL coach " for kinguin.
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u/kikyou2 BIG Jun 30 '17
I still remember him playing for mousesports on the side of allu. Wasn't that bad these days.. though this was another time. Tabsen and the retired nooky were on the team as well.
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u/Thrannn BIG Jun 30 '17
The whole german scene made fun of tabsen when he was at mouz because he was so bad.
There was even a drinking game. Take a shot everytime tabsen is firstblood. Now hes the best german player.
Im not saying that legija will become the best player. But even godsen was in this situation
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Jun 30 '17
But tabseN was young at that time and had potential to grow. LEGIJA is quite old now.
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u/Zoddom 10 years coin Jun 30 '17
dont start with this "hes too old" shit again pls.
gob is 3 years older and he improved an insane amount in the last 6 months.
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u/qctum Jun 30 '17
why does gob b keep insisting on playing with legija? honestly spiidi would be an upgrade over him atm. spiidi wasnt doing too bad after niko left. i honestly really dont know why he has to play with legija. if he didnt come with legija as a package, he would either be on a top team, or wouldnt have to go 16-14 against tengri
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u/RBozydar Virtus.pro Jun 30 '17
tabseN needs a serious raise
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Jun 30 '17
Notes to take from this game:
tabsen is still insane
this is not the typical major qualifier nex, the one here is way worse
they need to kick legija and bring in spiidi or stfn. Hell even some random 17-18 year old German/Swiss/Austrian player would be better and have more potential
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u/breezy_y G2 Jun 30 '17
nex was pretty good vs c9 yesterday...he wasnt good today but neither did he play terrible. The guy is playing good and consistent since he joined BIG and everyone keeps bashing him because he did poor on mouz.
Fukn keev needs to step up...not to speak of legija, at this point im happy if he lives trough the round.
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Jun 30 '17
I am a nex fan and always defended him. My point is that even with NiKo on the team nex was usually the one who carried them through the major qualifiers, which he isnt doing right now (sadly). I only want him to go ham, this handsome fucker.
I agree with keev though, dont know what his problem is. We saw at Dreamhack Leipzig that he can play on the BIG stage and he isnt playing more stupid (or smarter) than back then.
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u/Dash_IDR Jun 30 '17
Hell even some random 17-18 year old German/Swiss/Austrian player would be better and have more potential
Hi where can I apply?
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u/theRobertOppenheimer CS2 HYPE Jun 30 '17
Spiidi to BIG is actually something I would find very pleasing
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u/Bubbleking87 NiP Jun 30 '17
I'm calling my first child TabseN regardless of sex
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Jun 30 '17
If it wasn't for Tabsen Tengri would have won this game 15mins ago. The amount of clutches Tabsen had was insane, he won the game for BIG.
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u/Coleridge49 Jun 30 '17
Especially in the last few rounds that 1v2.
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u/kikyou2 BIG Jun 30 '17
HenryG already calling the overtime, 2 seconds later tabsen gets a 3k in 2 seconds. #justtabsenthings
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u/dukeyNRW BIG Jun 30 '17
CAN U STOP THINKING U R GOOD ON CBBLE THANK YOU
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Jun 30 '17
Flair checks out.
Seems like a German problem, i also think i am good n cobble
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u/gonnj FaZe Jun 30 '17
I dont like to bash players but at least 9 rounds of tengri was LEGIJA's fault
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u/csgotraderino Jun 30 '17
BIG isn't going to no fucking major like this
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Jun 30 '17
When they need someone to almost drop a 40 bomb against tengri to win, it doesn't look good at all
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u/junttiana Chinggis Warriors Jun 30 '17
Yeah they are they have fucking tabsen. Tabsen could play alone and get to the majors
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u/Bashead__ MOUZ Jun 30 '17
They barely won against Tengri. Which is by far the worst team at this qualifier. And that was with Tabsen absolutely beasting.
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u/Pinky1337 BIG Jun 30 '17
Nex is playing good enough aswell, especially against C9 yesterday. Keev and Legija tho, thats a different story.
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u/DarthTokira Monte Jun 30 '17
Where were you when tabseN's back was kill?
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u/Ronananana de_cobble Jun 30 '17
I was sitting at home when Gob B called
"Legija is still in the team"
"No"
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u/Spownach HEROIC Jun 30 '17
what the fuck is tabsen even
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u/kikyou2 BIG Jun 30 '17
As well playing with the lowest sens ever 1.28@400dpi if I remember correctly
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u/Ravioli227 BIG Jun 30 '17
BIG: Doing pretty well, gaining momentum. Should be an easy win. LEGIJA: Hold my beer
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u/jpark170 chroma Jun 30 '17
ReleaseTabseN
Seriously, this guy deserves T1 EU team.
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Jun 30 '17
He wants to be there
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u/jpark170 chroma Jun 30 '17
He's going to turn into Niko No.2. Niko wanted to be in Mouz at first, but got frustrated over time.
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u/Pinky1337 BIG Jun 30 '17
No, I dont think Big will keep Legija (and Keev if he stays this inconsistent) too long if he keeps playing like this. I think a team around TabseN, Gob and Nex can be a T1.
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u/chookslol G2 Jun 30 '17
Damn they were so close. I actually like Tengri. 16-1 vs Mouz is rough, but they showed patches of quality. They're not the worst. And then tonight. These lads aren't too bad.
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u/Hussor 400k Celebration Jun 30 '17
For a team I haven't heard of before I am extremely impressed by them.
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u/Krawkyz EG Jun 30 '17
Hobbit is from tengri I think.
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u/Hussor 400k Celebration Jun 30 '17
You're right, I heard of them because of hobbit, so my statement is incorrect. However as players I have never heard of them before still.
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u/theRobertOppenheimer CS2 HYPE Jun 30 '17
Their pistol round against mouz yesterday that they won was actually really impressive, i was like "are these the same guys that just got rekt for 15 rounds!?" They did some really nice shots there.
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u/Bishcopt Jun 30 '17
Well, Tengri has potential, they actually could've won this if not TabseN, mistakes they have made and chaotic gameplay. Few months, some expierence and we may see them on big event performing way better.
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u/tgsan Jun 30 '17
Tengri would have won at least 16-10 if not for tabsen I feel, maybe even worse? tabsen bailed their asses out so many times it's insane.
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u/Mightymushroom1 Gambit Jun 30 '17
LEGIJA could have destroyed BIG's dreams if TabseN hadn't gone huge.
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u/kikyou2 BIG Jun 30 '17
He tried really hard though to get to that "goal", tabsen was just trying harder winning.
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u/KaffY- de_dust2 Jun 30 '17
a 5 month old tweet? that is the very definition of irrelevant
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u/AemonDK Jun 30 '17
it's perfectly relevant. tabsen showcased his skill while on nrg but thoorin's hatred for everything NA and online blinds him to that fact.
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u/SirJohnSmith HEROIC Jun 30 '17
Of course TabseN makes the game-winning play...
But besides, LEGIJA is a complete bot, not enough skill to be reckless, not smart enough to play it intelligently. No reason for him to stay on the roster
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u/schweppesvidya King NiKo Jun 30 '17
Tengri vs tabseN / PGL Major Kraków 2017 Main Qualifier - Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion*
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u/kerev123 Jun 30 '17
This team doesnt have future .Relying on tabsen to drop 40 bombs against t3 opposition and still barely winning
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Jun 30 '17
is legija usually this bad, never see many big games. basically useless except for one good round.
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u/Krawkyz EG Jun 30 '17
Yes. And he always is in gob's team. When they were on NRG, he's the reason they were terrible.
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u/catzhoek Jun 30 '17
That was insanely tense.
If Tabsens' boost-flank at 13-6 or whatever it was works out they win this 16-6.
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u/barkett CS2 HYPE Jun 30 '17
The amount of easy, open, won rounds that Tengri just threw away astounds me. Especially the 12-14 round where pachanga just stood wood and never planted the bomb
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Jun 30 '17
tengri deserved to win. big played very sloppy and just got saved by tabsen the whole time.
like honestly, legija is braindead, nex is braindead and chokes like shit, keev is braindead. gob plays good, but his aim is a bit of a problem.
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Jun 30 '17
If LEGIJA doesn't step up, BIG has no chance to qualify. tabseN and gob b hard carried though. Tengri looked much better today.
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u/schochel BIG Jun 30 '17
As a BIG fan is so frustrating to se LEGIJA playing, maybe the worst long A player in cbble, not only today, but yesterday.
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u/manatidederp NiP Jun 30 '17
Yes, but the problem isn't isolated to a long on cbble :)
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u/schochel BIG Jun 30 '17
You are absolutely correct, is not only in cbble. Gob b is a good strategist but he cannot plan a game around a single player (Tabsen), the other teammates need to step up, it makes me angry that Legija throw away a lot of opportunities, because BIG have incredible potential as a team.
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u/iliketoknitfool de_cobble Jun 30 '17
tabsens back has to be fucking broken after that game holy shit
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u/Thrannn BIG Jun 30 '17
at this point i think that BIG doesnt deserve to play at the major. they should give the spot to another team that played better
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u/norrihsun Jun 30 '17
Tengri could have won this map, they made some really weird decisions. Decent effort though, if Tabsen had an off-day they would have dominated BIG.
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u/BILLS0N valeria Jun 30 '17
Optic, Cloud9 and liquid all should throw blank checks at tabesN, guy is constantly beasting!
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u/-Blastocyst Jun 30 '17
That's amazing that bots are getting recognition after their tournament and even winning at international competition! Dunno why it needed to change the nick to LEGIJA tho.
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Jun 30 '17
Tabsen needs to put his foot down and make gob b kick legija.
Legija is keeping them from being a huge threat.
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u/F1nalMasterpiece BIG Jun 30 '17
Without Tabsen, BIG would not even make it to the Minor. The fact, that Legija is a pro player just trigers me so hard.
He has game sense like a BOT getting caught off guard all the time. Tabsen his back must hurt badly.
Im feeling like Im watching mouz with NiKo, but even worse... BIG have to replace Legija if they want to achive anything.
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u/redharro 500k Celebration Jun 30 '17
Who cares if you have -15 K/D when your teammate has +16 K/D to pull the team through
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u/tgsan Jun 30 '17
BIG is insanely lucky to even win this, all thanks to tabsen winning so many rounds he shouldn't have, BOTB had a few here and there but tabsen won at least 5 all by himself, maybe even close to 10.
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u/morgawr_ 1 Million Celebration Jun 30 '17
Wtf was Tengri doing in that 2v1 vs tabsen on the 12-14 (I think? 13-14? I don't remember) round?
They had the A site, they leave the bomb back with the awper in wood and then they just wait for like 30 seconds. Are they intentionally throwing? wtf...
They smoked themselves off and then after waiting for 30 seconds the awper decides "hey I have to plant!" and rushes on site and they both get rekt by tabsen from behind.
What the flying fuck am I watching, my eyes hurt.
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u/antelope591 Jun 30 '17
Holy shit how hard does tabsen have to carry? Legija might be the worst player on the pro scene now since Denis stepped it up big time.
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Jun 30 '17
I picked Big to make it out. They look atrocious though.
Their spacing, rotates and executes look semi-pro.
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u/Thrannn BIG Jun 30 '17
Big got so damn lucky. This could easily be a win for tengri. Tabsen and gob where the only two big players on the server
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u/erickgps Jun 30 '17
Im pretty sure LEGIJA was making a IBP impersonation and losing on purpose, because there is no other explanation
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u/tarangk clutch Jun 30 '17
firepower is a huge problem for BIG, tabsen does what he always does , gob has started to show be can frag a lot better, keev is inconsistent and imo an average awper at best, nex has his maps but very rarely do we see 2015 nex, legija is just a bot dont know why gob carries him in his teams, even going back to mouz days in 2014 he was with gob, in NRG he still kept him and now in BIG again hes decided to keep him.
as a replacement id suggest getting spidii whos sitting idly in mouz, he has the talent to be a good 2nd/3rd star of a team and can propel them further, he does need proper guidance and support which gob can easily provide as well.
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Jun 30 '17
tabseN is seeming to find form again consistently that is always nice to see.
LEGIJA tho..
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jun 30 '17
remove garbage Legija, its embarassing how they play 4VS5 and barely scape a win vs a team that is a full tier below them. Gob-B is already a sub par fragger but when you have 2 bots, you have no chance vs top 10 teams.
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u/blueshark27 MOUZ Jun 30 '17
I saw this on the front page and as a BIG fan my heart stopped for a second
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u/STKNsBESTPLAYER The MongolZ Jun 30 '17
Fucking tabseN, if he has as many kills as say gob b, the game wouldn't've even been close. He bailed them out of so many things, shame Tengri constantly threw away man advantages and things like that, obviously inexperience getting to them.
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Jun 30 '17
Why the fuck didn't Tengri just plant the fucking bomb on that 2v1 vs Tabsen? It triggered me so much. Plant the bomb and just play against a 1v2 retake instead of just delaying and peeking everything like headless chickens.
Jesus Christ.
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u/dixy48 Jun 30 '17
Honestly, it's so impressive from Tengri to even manage 14 rounds, given how bad they are.
Also, LEGIJA is the André Gomes of CS, how is this a guy a professional player?
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u/SirJohnSmith HEROIC Jun 30 '17
It's so impressive from BIG to even manage 16 rounds, given how bad they are, except GOD TabseN of course.
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u/tgsan Jun 30 '17
Yep, especially how good tabsen was and how many rounds he won that he shouldn't have....and Tengri lost at least two rounds due to not planting, and that round where sonic? pushed toward connector door in the 2v1, and instead of waiting behind door he peeks the door from rock and dies.
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u/Hzwo FaZe Jun 30 '17
http://imgur.com/a/tpfN6
thank mr tabsen