r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jun 29 '17
Discussion | Esports BIG vs Cloud9 / PGL Major Kraków 2017 Main Qualifier - Round 1 / Post-Match Discussion
BIG 0-1 Cloud9
Cobblestone: 10-16
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Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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MAP: Cobblestone
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| BIG | 3 | 7 | 10 |
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| C9 | 12 | 4 | 16 |
| BIG | K | A | D |
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| nex | 24 | 4 | 21 |
| tabseN | 21 | 3 | 17 |
| gob b | 13 | 2 | 21 |
| LEGIJA | 12 | 4 | 20 |
| keev | 11 | 1 | 15 |
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| Stewie2k | 26 | 4 | 16 |
| autimatic | 19 | 5 | 15 |
| Skadoodle | 18 | 1 | 14 |
| n0thing | 16 | 5 | 19 |
| shroud | 15 | 7 | 17 |
Map Detailed Stats
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u/buldieb 750k Celebration Jun 29 '17
"strats are for nerds without enough skill" -stewie2k
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u/sA1atji BIG Jun 29 '17 edited Jun 29 '17
they had a extremly good read on gob, just check C9s ecos, BIG almost always ran into a stack.
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u/ilicccc de_dust2 Jun 29 '17
The reaction to that tweet was way too funny on r/NBA 😂😂
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u/LegitMarshmallow Jun 29 '17
It's surprising how much crossover there is between here and there.
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u/LlamaCombo Jun 30 '17
It all started when someone took the Semphis meme over there and used it for James Harden.
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u/iErebos Jun 29 '17
Shroud finished bottom in frags, but had second most ADR and a 1.14 rating. Also, the Asian duo when playing well is insane.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 29 '17
Shroud's a great entry, but man, he's bad at holding as CT. God B 1v1'd him multiple times with a UMP.
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u/FlushaIsSexy Jun 30 '17
Not many people can out gun the legend gob b, shroud is lucky to even get the chance to play in a match with such a beast, let alone win an aim duel
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u/psych4191 Jun 29 '17
Shroud played really well. He's not set up for fragging in this squad. He could've done some things better but overall it was a fantastic performance.
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u/ShroudBestTeamPlayer Jun 29 '17
shroud best impact player, perfect team player, set up his stewie2k for success. do not under rate this guy. top 20 support player
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u/LILFURNY Jun 29 '17
I've always had faith in cloud9, maybe not qualify for the major the second time, but the process will succeed.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jun 29 '17
He was so tilted when he jumped out and died into 3 people and team did not do anything . You can see how frustrated he was.
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u/Mysciak Virtus.pro Jun 29 '17
If Stew will continue to play like that i'm sure there will be new C9 stickers bois
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Jun 29 '17
can only hope
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Jun 29 '17
Auti deserves a sticker
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u/charlescarmichael4 Godsent Jun 29 '17
unless they get g2,immortals,mouz and liquid in the following matches and go out in major qualifiers
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u/iErebos Jun 29 '17
ez 4 North American multigaming organization cl(utch)oud9 hosting the North American counter-strike: global offensive roster from the United States and Canada who won "esl pro league season 4 finals" consisting of the 1.6 mad fragger jordan "dancing queen" gilbert, pug god mike "that's going on reddit" grzesiek, NAs yungest jake "stop pushing the smokes" yip, the NA turret tyler "there were no skins to trace" latham, and all around star and support timothy "online piece of Asian shit" ta
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 29 '17
Clutch9. Stewie needs to figure out his B hold, he's almost a liability there. He plays a lot of gimmicky positions instead of using his superior skill at a longer range or around the smokes.
On the bright side, I've been shitting on C9's Cobble T side for a year now, but today they've showed up. Rough start, but once they won the economic battle, the confident, fast executions were amazing.
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u/Wootstapler Jun 29 '17
That smoke AND molly execute was flawless and beautiful to watch. Split the site, push the CT's back, and then douse them with flames and dare them for a re-take. That was very well done.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 29 '17
And one more important thing that goes unnoticed - C9's players didn't get stuck, they rushed in like madmen, which is what they are supposed to do. I was getting peak Liquid vibes from some of those executions.
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u/Wootstapler Jun 29 '17
Except for when Shroud pounced over broken wall with no backup lol. The face cam showed his frustration, seemed like a mis-comm or something.
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u/control_09 EG Jun 29 '17
I haven't watched C9 religiously but bad B holds seem to be a recurring theme.
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u/duckydude34 Jun 29 '17
🅱️IG??? 😂😂😂 MORE LIKE SMALL 👌👌
U THINK 💭 U CAN BEAT 💪 CLOUD9 ☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️ IN SUMMER? ☀️☀️🎽🎽🌊🌊 WELL THINK AGAIN 🔄🔄🔄 WATCH OUT 👁️👁 FOR SKADADDY 😩😩😩️ AND HIS CZ 💀💀💀💀🔫😎
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inb4 a group of people completely not clued in are gonna post some superiority shit like "Oh! my eyes... Degeneracy at it's finest." like this has been a meme for a while but every time i see someone post it some dumb motherfuckers come in and don't understand it
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u/suttlesd Jun 29 '17
inb4 a 👌 group of 💦 people 👨 completely 😡 not 🚫 clued in 👏 are 🔢 gonna 🔥 post 💦 some 👨 superiority shit 💩 like 💖 "Oh! 💔 my 👨 eyes... 👀 Degeneracy at 🍆 it's 🕛 finest." like 💖 this 👈 has 👏 been 👏 a 👌 meme 🐸 for 🍆 a 👌 while 🕗 but 🍑 every 👏 time 🕐 i 👁 see 👀 someone 👤 post 💦 it 💯 some 👨 dumb 👅 motherfuckers 💏 come 💦 in 👏 and 👏 don't 🚫 understand 📚 it 💯
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Jun 29 '17 edited Jun 29 '17
i am a fan
edit: not a fan of using emojipasta.co u fraud u need more effort in ur memes :((
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u/suttlesd Jun 29 '17
do you think i could make a quality copypasta in 4 minutes
good copypasta is like fine wine
i basically just gave out budlight
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u/-NOiCE- wildfire Jun 29 '17
nothing is stopping a meme from being hot poo, as long as it triggers someone the meme will continue.
the emoji pasta meme is trash
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u/SlapinTheBass Jun 29 '17
Yea dude these people are such fucking idiots for not understanding a terrible meme
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u/eSportsStats Jun 29 '17
BIG vs C9 is the most popular game of the 1st day:
http://i.imgur.com/80kvu6p.jpg (Without Chinese viewers)
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u/Red_Edd Jun 29 '17
I'm pretty sure this is because the games are played very early in the morning for US viewers and naturally the BIG vs C9 game is played last at a time when most people are awake.
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u/OneOfTheSmurfs CS2 HYPE Jun 29 '17
Really liked C9's discipline after having that huge of a lead. Did not rush to close it out, but took their time with their eco and saves.
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u/tgsan Jun 29 '17
And the round where they didn't feed the umps when C9 was CT and saved with 4? 5? alive even if they had usp's.
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Jun 29 '17
What was that last round? Ska rotating through connector with his AWP out when he knows there's someone with a Tec-9 there? Almost gave me a heart attack.
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u/AzraCS FaZe Jun 29 '17
That last round gave me high blood pressure lmao
But yeah I think Ska/Shroud assumed legija wrapped through connector/heaven to a site and didn't expect him to be lurking
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u/Cameter44 Jun 29 '17
Must've assumed he went back for the A hit. Obviously too risky to just assume that even if that was the case.
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u/KronoS275 Jun 29 '17
Jesus christ BIG could have won easily, how on earth do you lose so many rounds with man advantages.
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u/AngriestGamerNA Liquid Jun 29 '17
Worse individual players. Also that game wasn't close, they won both pistols, in terms of actual gun rounds they won very VERY few.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 29 '17
True, BIG won 5 gun rounds in total while C9 won at least 5 on their T side alone.
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u/AemonDK Jun 29 '17
same can be said for c9. most of their rounds were force buys or resets that forced double eco
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u/Waldendy hydra Jun 29 '17
3/5 of the team was useless.. having Gob B, Legija and keev on the same team really doesn't give you much firepower
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u/ThaUNKY Liquid Jun 29 '17
Kick Legija
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u/sA1atji BIG Jun 29 '17
keev was a 4750$ decoy, legija was at least a bit cheaper.
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u/gorbatsh0ve Jun 29 '17
Yep, keev was absolutely terrible. And I gotta say, his gamesense and hence his positioning is what's breaking his neck. He has to take the most difficult shots, cause he puts himself in this awkward positions. He's gotta work on that.
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Jun 29 '17
I love all the hate c9 gets here. They win a game and it was only because the other team was bad. C9 played good cs and deserved this win.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jun 29 '17
Big has tactics but they have inferior fraggers by a mile. Besides Tabsen ( who we have not seen at tier 1 level yet ), they have no real good players. Nex used to be back in 2015 but he has shown nothing against tier 1 teams.
C9 is actually a tier 1 team in terms of fragging, they just lack midround callers/overall leadership. If they get some proper leadership, they can be the NA G2 and be in the top 5 easily.
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u/themadscientistwho Jun 29 '17
I legitimately think Cloud9 are better at forcebuys than gun rounds.
Maybe they should use Mouz tec9 strat?
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u/adflksjkf32420 Jun 29 '17
They play more tentative and scared on gun rounds ct side at least. When they are losing, it feels like they are getting caught on their back foot and get mowed down by aks.
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u/Waldendy hydra Jun 29 '17
If BiG had a bit more firepower I think they would've won.. Bit of a messy game in my opinion, both teams played sloppy
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Jun 29 '17
I can't imagine being a BIG fan right now, tough way to lose the game... Nice clutches by C9 but without skadoodle and autimatic's clutches on B it would be a much closer game.
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u/Rektalalchemist BIG Fan Jun 29 '17
Legja sucks ass. Keev did too but he can be good at times. Legja should have retired ages ago
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u/patrickalfa 1 Million Celebration Jun 30 '17
Ska is a real gem of NA CS, if under the lead of a proper IGL his team could go far. dem (iBUYPOWER) feels
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u/AngriestGamerNA Liquid Jun 29 '17
Big wins both pistols only gets 10 rounds, expected. People kept telling me BIG would win, but gob b's tactics can't change the fact they're out aimed top to bottom.
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u/tgsan Jun 29 '17
Would be nice to see tabsen on an actual good team, in terms of firepower. You CANNOT have BOTB and Legija in the same team, and with keev to top it off who's as "consistent" as nex? lmao.
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u/AngriestGamerNA Liquid Jun 29 '17
Tabsen is much better than his team, but he's not nearly good enough to be carrying a team - he's no niko - it's too bad he's not playing for a team like mouse or something.
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u/Knovolt 1 Million Celebration Jun 29 '17
Stressful and exciting game. Damn close clutches and clutches pulled from near impossible situations.
Stewie did damn great and that Ska CZ clutch
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u/sA1atji BIG Jun 29 '17
After the 2nd CT-round in first half I knew that C9 had done their homework and that they'd know what to play on their T-side. Once they swapped to CT, I knew they had done their homework against gob_b's antiecos. Almost every round they had to eco/force, they had the right guess...
And holy shit, did big play sloppy... so many solo-actions...
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u/Millzy312 de_inferno Jun 29 '17
I really hope C9 learns to take aggression instead of sitting back on their lead and hoping they can just out frag enemy executes. Defintely hard to CT agress on cobble so its hard to blame them on this map.
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u/adflksjkf32420 Jun 29 '17
Ska looked a little uncomfortable playing stairs, maybe it would have helped if he played chicken coop or statue some rounds, but they know better than I do.
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u/BootyBootyFartFart Jun 29 '17
Holy hell were BIG's B site holds were atrocious. C9 looked like they were straight up pugging by the end of the half.
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u/psych4191 Jun 29 '17
Probably because they were. Stewie started feeling it and called based on that.
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u/Thrannn BIG Jun 29 '17
big had to win this...
a lost 1on4 and 2on4. they threw so many rounds away. as soon as there was a smoke on the map, big fucked up and didnt know what to do. they just got outplayed around the smokes. and when nex hits more awp shots than your main awp, you cant hold a bombspot
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u/ScruffMcGruff3 Jun 29 '17
Round over - Winner: CT (9-14) - Enemy eliminated
Skadoodle killed gob b with cz75a
Skadoodle killed keev with ak47
Skadoodle killed tabseN with cz75a
Skadoodle killed nexaxa with cz75a (headshot)
nexaxa killed autimatic with ak47 (headshot) nexaxa killed shroud with ak47
gob b killed stew-iwnl- with ak47
nexaxa killed jordan with ak47
shroud killed LEGIJA -M- with hegrenade
Classic Skadoodle
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u/Cameter44 Jun 29 '17
Cobble was such a great veto for C9. Not many recent demos so hard for Gob B to antistrat. It's also a map that lends itself to chaos and individual skill which was the main advantage for C9 in this game.
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u/Walterspalter Liquid Jun 29 '17
I mean BIG lost like every clutch, was really hard to watch :(
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u/psych4191 Jun 29 '17
That's generally what happens when you bring 3 seperate players that go sub 60 adr.
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u/ThetaSigma11 Liquid Jun 29 '17
This was beautiful. So many sick clutches.
And people saying choke9 after losing the first gun round LUL.
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u/atulu ENCE Jun 29 '17
Better for over 26,5 rounds. Nice big FU for me, especially with the definite possibility of BIG taking the last round. :P
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u/psych4191 Jun 29 '17
Give Gob some more head shooters and he'd have a top 5 team. If I was Optic I'd throw a blank check at him tbh.
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u/Apeman92 Liquid Jun 29 '17
Watching at work with no sound. What was C9 doing on that 2nd CT round just waiting around for? It looked like they could have easily flanked BIG.
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u/wobmaster Jun 29 '17
I think this game showed what potential BIG had. They threw away CT side and lost advantage/anti ecos they normally don´t lose. I think off of that they will qualify if they can keep the spirits high
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u/Dark_Azazel Jun 29 '17
Man. I feel like every time I watch a BIG game keev is absent.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jun 29 '17
tbh Nex and Tabsen showed up but they can't outfrag Stew Tim and Ska.
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u/Dark_Azazel Jun 29 '17
I mean, when doesn't Tabsen show up? Maybe I'm just watching the wrong games but I thought it would be the Tabsen and keev show for every game. Could be the change in style but idk.
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u/Ahzora_ Jun 30 '17
Rip C9 Tommorow......
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u/ItsPureLuck017 Jun 30 '17
Maybe, but they have had this bizarre habit of lightning up the trio of shox/Apex/nbk led FR teams before the shuffle that split them up, and continued to wreck nV after that. G2 probably wins but given neither team is consistent c9 has a shot
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u/jsoraru EG Jun 29 '17
Was pretty much Stewie showing us why he's the best player in NA
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u/adflksjkf32420 Jun 29 '17
I'd say elige is up there, especially since he is more consistent and doesn't have those single digit kill games. That being said, he isn't first in and he doesn't have to igl either which is pretty huge. Autimatic definitely has a lot of stand out performances as well, so he should be in that conversation. Stewie has been on fire recently though, even that infamous choke against faze he had over 30 kills.
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u/jsoraru EG Jun 29 '17
Stewie is more complete than EliGE that's why I just think he's better. Stewie can just be the best awper in NA and EliGE definitely can't awp and yeah, adding the IGL skills to that and being first in .. I'm sure Stewie can be just as consistent as EliGe if he wasn't calling
And yeah, the choke against FaZe, Stewie was the only player getting frags, 2 at least each round and yet they lost every single advantage they had ... sad to watch one player do so much work for pretty much nothing.
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u/ConnorK5 Jun 29 '17
Cloud9 is back. Well actually we are only 2 games away from officially being back but... we back.
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Jun 29 '17
Big threw it away with so many rounds. I'm a fan of c9 but that wasn't a game they should have won during the 2nd half. Props to ska/stew and auto for keeping them in it.
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u/psych4191 Jun 29 '17
BIG hasn't got the firepower, tbh. Legija is probably the largest deadweight in pro cs.
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u/Andtheyrustledsoftly clutch Jun 29 '17
Andddd exhale