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Discussion | Esports OpTic Gaming vs Renegades / PGL Major Kraków 2017 Main Qualifier - Round 3 / Post-Match Discussion
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MAP: Mirage
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| OG | 6 | 4 | 10 |
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| RNG | 9 | 7 | 16 |
| OG | K | A | D |
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| RUSH | 22 | 2 | 19 |
| NAF | 17 | 3 | 17 |
| tarik | 17 | 2 | 19 |
| hazed | 16 | 4 | 19 |
| mixwell | 9 | 4 | 20 |
| RNG | |||
| AZR | 22 | 4 | 18 |
| USTILO | 20 | 5 | 19 |
| jks | 20 | 2 | 15 |
| Nifty | 18 | 0 | 14 |
| nexa | 14 | 8 | 15 |
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u/eagleschmeagle Jul 01 '17 edited Jul 01 '17
So fucking depressing...if optic dont have a good showing (which they probably wont) at cologne, mixwell will probably decide to leave, its been a fun run but all good things come to an end :(
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 01 '17
He's left in his mind already, NAF and tarik were AWPing this match...
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u/MajestyA Jul 01 '17
I saw a couple of times when the AWP was passed to him and he immediately threw it away to somebody else in spawn.
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u/zhermann Jul 01 '17
Can be a lot of reason to do so. If he feels he cannot utilize it due to having an awful game then let one of the other two competent AWP'ers use it. They have that luxury, but it could also be due to someone going 'Give me the AWP I am going to shut them down at B and take control so we can stack a player more towards A'.
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u/Rawrplus brigader Jul 01 '17
obviously don't wanna play a role of an armchair analyst, as we dont have access to their comms and dont know what was really going on, but from the look of it, they were throwing the awp to him expecting him to awp and he just kept throwing it away. If he didn't feel like awp'ing / in form why wouldn't he just tell them during the match and tell them not to throw to awp to him.
To me this seemed liek a personal meltdown and him just refusing to awp anymore while his teammates tried to convince him to keep on awp'ing hence they kept throwing awp to him.
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u/its_JustColin guardian Jul 01 '17
Dude Mixwell has literally always hated AWPing. He rarely wants to actually AWP. Them AWPing over him means nothing lmao
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u/stenerikkasvo Jul 01 '17
he was signed to AWP. NAF and Tarik are both AWPing but they are better riflers then Mixwell.
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u/CharlieCOD2016 Jul 01 '17
That might be because he just doesn't want to awp, he said he hates awping
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u/Cameter44 Jul 01 '17
Mixwell has been known to be iffy about using the AWP. He's good with it but doesn't always like using it from what we know based off interviews.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 01 '17
mixwell didn't even properly try AWPing in this match, it's not like he switched halfway.
No matter if he hates AWPing, mixwell and OpTic know that him on the AWP is most beneficial to the team. He let his emotions get in the way too much. I understand him, but that's something that needs to be pointed out.
TSM were known for rotating 3 AWPers depending on the map, and karrigan was Astralis's 2nd AWP. NAF is OpTic's what, 3rd AWP? Also, device was always equally sick with a rifle and an AWP in his hands, mixwell and NAF certainly have a preferred weapon.
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u/Rawrplus brigader Jul 01 '17
TSM/Astralis is a really bad comparison because they had 3 awp'ers in device, karrigan and cajunb with all 3 of them rotating who's primary/secondary pretty much on map and gut feeling.
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u/MyFriendIsInsane Jul 01 '17
Oh, he's gone for sure. Doesn't like NA, literally hates the AWP missed shots and didn't have it for the majority of matches and he's just in a low mental state now.
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u/__SyN__ Jul 01 '17
Where would he go??
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u/Boshoku Jul 01 '17
He wants to pull an allu and waste time forming a national team in Spain
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Jul 01 '17
Won't happen, the 2nd best spanish player is already in mouz. They tried making mixed spanish/portuguese teams but that wouldn't put them over tier 3, the only other very good player in Iberia is Mutiris.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jul 01 '17
He could go to Mouz. He gets to play with a fellow Spanish player and an English speaking team. He also wouldn't have to awp anymore since we pretty much have 2 capable awpers.
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u/prangkaaa Jul 01 '17
This. The only replaceable player would probably be denis though, who plays more of a support rifling role. I think he'd fit in fine though, as he doesn't want to be AWPing anyway, and he can be the one to make plays since ropz lurks and chrisJ can play a more supportive role. Him + lowel making plays / clutching could be cool.
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u/antonis13 Jul 01 '17
He can speak English, Spanish and French if i remember correct, so a lot of teams can approach him.
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u/prangkaaa Jul 01 '17
I think unless they place in the top 4 there or win, he is leaving regardless after this season :( man it sucks though. They were so fun to watch late last year. An NA team that EU teams actually feared and respected. I was rooting for them over Astralis and everyone else at the EL major.
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Jul 01 '17
didnt he renew his contract for another 12 months?
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jul 01 '17
Yes but if he wishes to leave Hecz will let him, he has always said that & maintains that stance. Mixwell won't leave to another NA team anyways so it's not really giving away to direct competition.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jul 01 '17
Well at this point he should... He can join some EU teams, maybe even Mouz, he has Lowel there from Spain, and a better chance to compete with top teams.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 01 '17
-denis +mixwell and quad AWP every round, I'd change my flair to mouz before you can say Tomáš Šťastný
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Jul 01 '17
R/the_denis will crucify you for this
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 01 '17
I only said -denis because he's going to FaZe where he deserves to be
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u/CookieRaiderss Renegades Jul 01 '17
If Renegades can figure out how to stop losing rounds to force-buys as CT, it would cause a lot less heart issues for their fans.
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u/TotalEclipse08 FlyQuest Jul 01 '17
I think my body is use to the heart palpitations now, still wouldn't hurt to have less of them though...
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u/gpaularoo Jul 02 '17
force buys from Ts are part and parcel, they are commonly very competitive because of t rifle pricing.
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u/Der_Ant NiP Jul 01 '17
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Jul 01 '17
Ez for Australia.
1 American > 3 Americans
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Jul 01 '17
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Jul 01 '17
We are ALL Aussies on this blessed day!
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u/dM4rcushimo Vitality Jul 01 '17
Looking forward to tarik's reaction to bombing out of the Major Qualifier youtube video.
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u/winstonpress Jul 01 '17
Crazy to think one change could affect a team so drastically.
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u/MyFriendIsInsane Jul 01 '17
You could say they were doing alright with JasonR. I think the only map wins they have on LAN with hazed are against Vici and Chiefs.
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u/Ajp_iii Jul 01 '17
I like to compare it to Astralis a little. When they had karrigan post cologne they were just not the same team. Switched to glaive immediately had results.
The optic players are a lot more emo and tilt heavy though so that only makes it worse.
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u/Diavolo222 SK Jul 01 '17
In Astralis' case, the players didnt trust Karrigan any more and werent confident in his calls. Any change at that point would be a positive one in terms of replacing the in-game leader.
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Jul 01 '17
February's Tarik: STAN KILLED THE TEAM
July's Tarik: JASONR KILLED THE TEAM
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u/CovertCreeper EG Jul 01 '17
No way Mixwell stays with OpTic when they're playing at this low of a caliber. Even the casters were saying he's looked checked out recently. We'll see what OpTic's owner can tell Mixwell to get him to stay.
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u/_Oomph_ 500k Celebration Jul 01 '17
I wonder if RUSH will go with him or stay. They seem to have developed a bond.
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jul 01 '17
Rush isn't going to EU with Mixwell & Mixwell isn't going to another NA team.
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u/dfefefeeffe Jul 01 '17
mixwell bottom fragged lol
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u/bert_lifts 5 years coin Jul 01 '17
Man nifty is very well spoken, especially since he's 19 and doesn't have a lot of xp in front of a camera.
No "um's" and "like" every sentence. Compared to other players anyway.
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u/BazBear Renegades Jul 01 '17
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
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Jul 01 '17
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u/SaxOps1 Renegades Jul 01 '17
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
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u/Boomeo-DiSCO Liquid Jul 01 '17
OI OI OI
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u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team Jul 01 '17
happy that we still have a chance to qualify! get up and around the boys
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Jul 01 '17
Flair doesn't check out
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u/LambOfGojira Astralis Jul 01 '17
OpTic guys wouldn't even look at each other afterwards. They know this team is done.
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u/dovbadiin Jul 01 '17
apology for poor english
when were you when optic gamin dies?
i was sat at home painting green wall when turok ring
‘optic is kill’
‘no’
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u/Deadly_Toast Jul 01 '17
Ustilo keeps playing like this might actually qualify.
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u/bekay101 Jul 01 '17
Take me to an alternate universe where rng won both ot games and have just gone 3-0 by winning anti forces
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u/Realshotgg Jul 01 '17
I hope clg put a massive buyout in FNS' contract
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u/crow38 Natus Vincere Jul 01 '17
clg puts a massive buyout in all their players contracts and are usually 2 year contracts(at least its been like that in the past)
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Jul 01 '17
For sure. The orgs that buy up everyone, break promising teams and don't accomplish much need to suffer at least a little bit financially.
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u/thenumber28 FaZe Jul 01 '17
nifty came on my radar at wesg in china. aggressive, super skilled awper/igl taking down optic in the major qualifier? I think his signing bonus with whatever NA team that decides to poach him just had a zero added to it.
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u/sjdr92 Virtus.pro Jul 01 '17
That is a top 3 na team...
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u/eJACKulation HEROIC Jul 01 '17
No it's not
Cloud9 Liquid CLG
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u/AiendarCS Jul 01 '17
I think the worst part is the body language. The casters were right to right to accuse Mixwell of checking out. It might be time to blow up the lineup and rebuild.
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u/Gaylean Jul 01 '17
i mean optic is well past their peak. Anyone who thought they would even make the major are a bit optimistic. They had a good run at ecs and eleague season 2 last year then just slowly declined. Stan leaving just finished them off. I agree with janko Na needs some sort of shuffle because these teams arent going anywhere. Liquid is looking decent a d c9 had an okay ecs run, ive been most impressed with clg but pity they wont be at the major.
that being said i fucking hate the word potential and people alqays bring it up when talking about c9. its been a year now and theyve had 1 win under their belt - epl vs sk, who at the time werent a top 3 team. it was an impressive feat but even so its been a year since and people still ride this team for whatever reason. Nobody else can function like virtus pro - thats a feat exclusive only to them, idk what theyre hoping for but something has to change.
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u/Ajp_iii Jul 01 '17
Hazed has so many bad plays. Doesn't wait for the smoke naf just threw to plant. And the a 3v4 post plant one under balc, one ct spawn, and hased is default. Why isn't he watch ramp or palace. He was literally doing nothing in the retake.
Also whoever made the call to rush into a site after mixwell died to two pistol was so dumb.
Just totally embarrassing. They win rounds going fast and then try to go slow for some reason. Optic always play retake a on mirage Ct pistol and always lose. 3v3 retake on a and optic mollies their player out of palace. Like wtf is this.
Looks worse than shox nv. No motivation at all.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jul 01 '17
Optic always play retake a on mirage Ct pistol and always lose.
That's every single team these days, playing A retake and losing.
3v3 retake on a and optic mollies their player out of palace.
That was OpTic's molly?! Holy fuck...
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u/BazBear Renegades Jul 01 '17
i laughed so much when i saw that, i think that is literally what lost them that round & the game
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Jul 01 '17
You going to really blame Hazed, the stand-in, for them losing when Mixwell went like 9-20?
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u/Ajp_iii Jul 01 '17
Mixwell had a bad aim game. Hazed was just in bad spots and looking at bad spots. Also optics ct rotations are so bad and that is on he igl also every round where they won they went fast.
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Jul 01 '17
You're really putting too much blame on hazed, he got put ingame last min since jasonr left. they had almost no real time to do anything and hazed just took over jason spots.
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Jul 01 '17
Just bad communication in general, tarik even mollied hazed off in palace on one of the last retake rounds. Even the rounds they won, it was usually because someone just made a big individual play or if Renegades was on an eco.
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u/Mocresto FaZe Jul 01 '17
From being one of favorites for the last major to not qualifying for next one..
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u/iAmCyberwaste 10 years coin Jul 01 '17
That's it, I'm not taking off my RNG jersey for the rest of the qualifiers.
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u/WilliamifyXD Renegades Jul 01 '17
mrw i slept in mine last night cause it was 9 pm and i hadnt slept for at least 20 hours
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u/z0rgi-A- valeria Jul 01 '17
Well that seals it. This lineup is over. Hope the team can make moves and try to improve.
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u/vBoredom Jul 01 '17
It's hard to win 4v5 it's pretty clear mixwell is done and doesn't want to be here anymore.
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u/TotalEclipse08 FlyQuest Jul 01 '17
Speaking as a Renegades fan, has anybody noticed how lacklustre their T sides have been this tournament? CT side they have been better than they were in previous iterations, but for the T side it's the opposite. While I'm happy they won, I felt like it was Optic being awful more than Renegades being good.
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u/stenerikkasvo Jul 01 '17
At this point Mixwell is hurting the team more than helping. He was sign to this team to AWP but he doesn't want to anymore. NAF and Tarik are both AWPing but they are both better with rifle then Mixwell.
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u/deadcandancena NiP Jul 01 '17
this confirms that stanislaw had a huge impact in optics run
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u/Kazzzyyy Jul 01 '17
It's been confirmed for a while, have you not seen their form for the past 6 months?
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u/Connoreo815 Liquid Jul 01 '17
So unfortunate that such good players in NA just cant get it to work.
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Jul 01 '17
RIP. At least it was over quick. I'm glad that this Optic team is dead. They have a lot a talent to build around, but this roster isn't gonna work. Hope m1xwell stays in NA at the very least.
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u/antreas48 Vitality Jul 01 '17
is this the first time since Katowice 2015 that tarik is not in the major?
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u/FFALCK Jul 01 '17
Hazed had massive bags under his eyes. Did optic get enough sleep? Looked very tired.
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u/FaultyWires Jul 01 '17
I feel like some of the renegades players need more practice, but as a team, they were playing some excellent disciplined CS. They weren't over-peeking, and playing off each other, using utility pretty well. It seemed like the kind of game you play when you know you're against a better opponent (which is most opponents, for them), but if they can improve their fragging power, they have some solid CS play. The anti-disrespect.
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u/Smithsonian45 Renegades Jul 01 '17
We...won a match in the main qualifier? I wasn't prepared for this emotion
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u/SpeedyBlueDude NiP Jul 01 '17
H3cz style of management doesn't work for CS:GO.
He needs to change.
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u/Blyat911 MOUZ Jul 01 '17
would love to see mixwell with lowel in mouz together.
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u/JayCDee CS2 HYPE Jul 01 '17
Mouz ain't broken, don't fix it. 3 months ago I would have said hell yeah, but not today.
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Jul 01 '17
Dear Twitch chat,
It's Australia. Not Austria. Thank you.
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u/YoshiOfADown Jul 01 '17
I bet that about 50% of the people saying "Austria" are actually Australian.
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u/SRMustang35 Jul 01 '17
Same comment as the past 2 days