I successfully completed the guide months ago: Program Completed -- Thoughts/Results : r/MaleDefinitiveGuide and the results have been incredible and long lasting. Out of chance my friend's PE woes were brought up (against his will, by his wife) during a corny boardgame night when we had a few couples over. I told him about MDG and then also told him to let me be his guide and I'm happy to say that as of week 8, he has seen the same type of success that I did and the guide promises.

I have my own interpretation of what MDG is and does based on my loose understanding of the science but mainly my practical experience. I just call it bio-magic. I don't think my interpretation is wild and most of it is to just keep it simple, read and follow the guide. It's magic because as much as we think our actions are pushing the results of the guide and we get better and attain mastery-- we're really just setting our bodies up to learn new automatic processes.

I had him keep a log of everything in a shared document and tracked and held him accountable. I'll give you some bullet points about the things I drilled into him and would constantly remind him of.

1. Prior to training, if he regularly used porn then we don't start until 2-4 weeks after quitting. PIED and removing porn fucks with your shit, period. You don't want to add additional chaos and variables to track, observe, feel during this.

2. Don't overthink it. It's easy to do with slow incremental programs over months and you can start to feel like you need to optimize or nitpick specific stuff. Do what I (the guide) says and don't worry about getting the perfect cock-stroke-per-minute for your 10 minute warmup after reciting your pelvic floor release mantra. This is why I asked him if I could guide him, I love this subreddit but it can have a lot of... information overload from various sources. However I did tell him to read the guide fully.

3. You will sleep a full night. You will stop drugs/alcohol. You will not ejaculate. You will track your progress. Basically the non-negotiables. The sex and drinking required creative solutions for his wife but he made it work AND I am happy to report that she sent me a lovely TMI text after the results had come in.

4. It's about arousal not stimulation. Don't get hung up on how you get yourself aroused.

5. He knew about box breathing but if he didn't I would have had him training breathing outside of the sessions, daily. The breathing is so important and you need it to become something you don't need to focus or deliberately do.

6. I removed the idea of numbers. This 5/10 arousal or riding the 8.9/10 PONR etc... leaves too much room for self manipulation, it was actually something I called out in my initial completion of the guide that people would probably self report higher levels than they were at and this would lead to problems. I have seen this play out. I really only needed to get across 3 states of arousal. Super pre-ejaculation monster erection, one more touch and I'm going to cum, and reflexy (IKs, bouncing, recoil, etc)

7. You're an observer. No active role. You don't clench, you don't flex, you don't lion's breath, you don't self talk, you don't x, y, z. You should almost be clinical and steady in the application of stimulation. Observe and track how your body acts and you don't try to force any result. You apply positive arousal and when this arousal reaches, "one more touch and I'm going to cum", you stop during peak and valley and during cliffhanger you try to cheat your way into or maintain a different touch. Maybe not a stroke but keep holding, maybe blow warm air, rub the chest, rub the base, squeezes, light stroke, tickle etc. Again, arousal > stimulation. When you can no longer cheat, you recover- then repeat

8. Certain days you feel more reflexy than usual-- these days of chaos the goal was not to reach, "one more touch and I'm going to cum", it was to just get to the monster erection moment and modulate stimulation up and down if you need to in order to try to keep this erection. The idea here is I think training while in this weird reflexy state is playing with fire. I feel it's way more important not to fail than to have a lackluster session. The things he did to keep himself as he said, "charged up" were very... creative. He had hair trigger PE so at some point he said he would just maintain visual imagery and rub the soles of his feet together or lick his lips. Incredibly low, positive arousal signals.

9. I didn't let him go from phase 4 > until he felt the background arousal during the day.

10. I didn't let him go from phase 5 > until he felt the brain nod that allowed him to realize, "one more touch and I'm going to cum" is just a panicked, suggestion and he eluded to the fact he was "finally starting to enjoy this". The brain nod drives ALL the training once you experience it.

11. Slow implementation of FL. Small portions of the end of the session that he could end early. The idea here was the extreme novel stimulation of the FL could cause that domino effect and preventing failure was way more important than a full session. This ended up being FL in each session of 30 seconds, 30 seconds, 4 minutes, full 20.

12. I personally did some half phases, he didn't. He added minutes during his phase 6 training that while on his back he would thrust up.. then spoon thrust etc. To prepare him for phase 7.

13. Weird add. Sex reinforcement, at phase 5+ he would have sex with his wife on the weekends but at the first sign of one more touch and I'll cum, he would stop completely. Again, this was kind of my idea based on the FL.. the novel nature of the extreme stimulation can cause the domino effect and we were trying to get ahead of it but still introduce the familiarity.

14. I had him start Angion (reddit.com/r/angionmethod). I think this is a good "penis health" training that EVERY MAN should do but the purpose here was adding more penis stimulation that you need to almost turn off the "arousal" part of your brain to do it correctly and a lot of people just don't have non-sexual touch to their genitals. This helps build this idea of "work time" & "play time" that helped change how similar types of touch influences the body differently depending on intent. Not to mention that EQ and even getting that "monster erection" I mentioned earlier can be tough for some. So Angion + L-Arginine/L-Citrulline/Beats/Spinach/sources of vasodilators ... which are normal pre-workout stuff, were added/maintained.

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Something that is interesting for myself, I've maintained the ability with almost no maintenance ( once a week ) but we both prefer to train without a FL. Something really important that is missing in this community is that you aren't trying to run or stave off the PONR, in fact it is the opposite, and I feel like doing the program successfully you are almost more naturally going to reach higher levels of arousal with even less stimulation because your body is almost always primed for arousal, on purpose. You're trying to embrace this feeling and it just seems like so much of the community celebrates how well they are able to avoid the feeling even approach them.

I'm actually helping another friend now and if I can replicate it another time I am basically ready to die on the MDG hill.

Either way, I can answer some questions here. Again, I am not science-brained.. so I'm not sure if what I'm saying is "technically correct" but it's worked x2 now.

In the last month, I've seen a lot of posts and comments from people about their experiences with their progress through the Definitive Guide on the r/prematureejaculation . That being said, I have not seen many posts and/or comments about the supplements people are taking and their experience with them. When u/HealthGeek1870 came out with the guide, he said, "This training wasn't done exclusively. I took various supplements, each with a direct purpose towards expediting various aspects of the training, including neurosynaptic recovery and neural adaptation, mental imagery enhancement, sleep, blood flow, erection strength and overall libido enhancement."

Given that he said that and has talked quite a bit about what supplements he used/recommended(it was about 40% of his guide), this is the stack that I thought I would use for training (I have included how many capsules so if you wanted to take a similar stack you would know how much you would need to take at a time):

PHASES 1 & 2

Morning: 8 capsules (3=horse chestnut, 4= load boost[L-citrulline], 1=CoQ10) -> Of the supplements I was interested in, these are somewhat suggested to be taken daily, and I was planning to take them for fertility reasons outside of PE. But also for Building Erection Strength & Stronger Vascular Response. As well as because L-citrulline "gets more blood to the penis and faster, the horse chestnut helps keep it there." I also plan to help supplement this L-citruline from the load boost with my pre-workout which contains 6g of L-citruline. I would also be using Fertility Stack for Men from VB Health daily, which is why I have the load boost and CoQ10 listed. Also, ironically, he suggested using Ubiquinol which is a reduced active antioxidant form of CoQ10, so I was already planning to take CoQ10 daily for fertility, it kinda works for both purposes.
Evening: 2 capsules (2=Agmatine Sulfate ) -> again because it's taken daily and it's used for Arousal Control. This is specifically in Phase 1 because "it prevents the 'pleasure panic reflux' when approaching orgasm, that's that 'Oh shit I'm gonna cum!' feeling... it smooths out the intense arousal spikes so that you not only gain a greater sense of where 9/10 is, but you can ride closer to that edge without triggering a climax."

PHASES 3

Morning: 1 powder with drink on training days (1 weight measured container[I use this scale for measuring out the powder since the Uridine comes in a small bag of powder]=Uridine Monophosphate ), -> I planned on starting Uridine in phase 3 on top of the other stack because this is when Neuroplasticity & Nervous System Adaptation start. He states, "It(Uridine) also aids in mental imagery and emotional imprinting - your brain ability to associate your arousal to your lover becomes stronger." And because we start adding mental imagery with your partner in phase 3, I thought I would start to add Uridine. It also helps to not have to pay for all the supplements at one time. I have also seen many of you in the comments and posts say that you have experienced a lack of pleasure and arousal numbness near phase 3, so I would add this now as he says, "It also combats the occasional pleasure/arousal numbness you feel during training." 8 or 9 capsules[the two amounts change based on if it's a training day or not] (3=horse chestnut, 4= load boost[L-citrulline], 1=CoQ10, 1=CDP Choline on training days{5d/wk}) -> in addition to what I was already taking, I'm adding CDP Choline in phase 3 for Faster Neuroplasticity & Nervous System Adaptation and adding it now because "when taken alongside the uridine, the combination of the two rebuilds your brain to form new circuits around pleasure control, sexual cravings, and deep sexual bonding." Also, reading a lot of information on uridine, it said it's beneficial to take it with CDP choline outside of what the author says.
Evening: 5 capsules (2=Agmatine Sulfate, 3=Magnesium L-Threonate ) -> in the evenings, I'll be adding Magnesium L-Threonate. The reason I'm adding this in phase 3 as opposed to phase 1 is, again, to not spend all the money at once, but more importantly, because he states that when you start taking Uridine with the CDP-Choline, they "can cause very high acetylcholine activity. If not balanced with a magnesium source ... or enough dopamine, it can cause brain fog, emotional flatness, and loss of arousal or erection quality, the total opposite of what we want." That being said, I was planning to add magnesium to the stack in phase 3 to balance the very high acetylcholine activity.

PHASES 4-8

Morning: 2.5 powders with drink on training days (1 weight measured container[I use this scale for measuring out the powder since the Uridine comes in a small bag of powder]=Uridine Monophosphate & 1.5 scoops=Acetyl L-Carnitine HCI{5d/wk})-> in phase 4 through the rest of the program, I'm adding the ALCAR for Faster Neuroplasticity & Nervous System Adaptation, and now because phase 4 begins Cliffhanger Training. He explains how "the sexual pleasure signals from your erection reach your brain faster and more 'accurately'. This allows you to feel more refined, precise sensation and 'see' a much clearer distinction between 7/10, 8/10, and 9/10 arousal levels. You'll be able to 'read' your edging threshold before it goes too far and becomes out of control." The distinction between these different levels starts in phase 4 so I can also prevent myself from having to buy all the supplements at once by purchasing this supplement in phase 4 as I will mention with the next supplement; 8 or 11 total capsules[the two amounts change based on if it's a training day or not] (3=horse chestnut, 4= load boost[L-citrulline], 1=CoQ10, 1=CDP Choline on training days{5d/wk}, 2=Epimedium on training days{5d/wk}){some have mentioned that his suggested link for Epimedium is confusing because while it does contain 50% Icariin which he talks about, it is only a 200mg dose and he talks about needing "1,000mg of Epimedium, which = 500mg of Icariin." With his link, you would have to take 5 pills to reach that dose. I had messaged the author on a separate post about His suggested product and he said "...The most important thing that matters is the icariin. That supplement is fine." This version of Epimedium seems like the best solution that we can get from Amazon. It's not quite 50% Icariin but it's a lot closer at 40% and it's still the suggested dose of 1000mg but you only have to take 2 pills instead of 5 and it's about $10 cheaper than the one he suggested.} Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed) is bought and if it's taken with morning supplements or 60min prior to session) -> and phase four, I'll also be adding Epimedium/horny goat weed. Similarly to the reason for adding this supplement in phase 4, "Combining this(Epimedium) with the Agmatine makes your Cliffhanger Training much more effective."
Evening: 5 capsules (2=Agmatine Sulfate, 3=Magnesium L-Threonate )

**When it says that I'm taking 8 or 9 or 11 capsules, that's because on those weeks, certain supplements are not being taken every single day as he suggests to cycle those supplements and only take them on training days**

So this is the stack that I have/plan to buy in the order that I'm going to use and buy them. I hope this can help others with planning or buying their supplements, and I would love to hear what supplements others are taking and their thought process through taking them!

What Supplements are you taking?

A couple questions I had for the author in regards to these supplements:

1. Does this stack sound legitimate/reasonable for my though process to you?

2. As I was doing my research on the different supplements and how they interact with each other, I found an Alzheimer's Drug Discovery Foundation, I found an article talking about Agmatine Sulfate and one of the listed "Drug Interactions" was with L-citruline. It said "Due to its role in the arginine pathway, agmatine may interact with either L-arginine or L-citrulline supplements." That being said, did you have any issues with taking the L-citruline supplement at the same time as the Agmatine Sulfate?

3. Two of the supplements you suggested (Uridine Monophosphate and ALCAR) both come in power forms. How did you take those supplements? Like would you mix both of them together and drink the combined liquid at the same time or did you mix them separately and take them in 2 separate drinks? Could you use that mixed supplements liquid to swallow the other pills? Or is it better just to take the pill supplements with plain water? 3A) As I talked about above, you mentioned in your post that when you start taking Uridine and the CDP-Choline and the ALCAR, they "can cause very high acetylcholine activity. If not balanced with a magnesium source ... or enough dopamine, it can cause brain fog, emotional flatness, and loss of arousal or erection quality, the total opposite of what we want." You also go into say, "If not balanced with a magnesium source (I'll get into that more below) or enough dopamine, it can cause brain fog, emotional flatness and loss of arousal or erection quality, the total opposite of what we want. So if you start to feel any of these symptoms, either scale back your dosage or take one of the supplements out entirely." So to this point, I didn't see more below? That being said, will adding the Magnesium L-Threonate supplement be enough to balance the high acetylcholine activity from the Uridine, CDP-Choline and ALCAR?

4. I saw that you still take many of the supplements listed. What are your thoughts on why you still take them and have you experimented with discontinuing them to see if the effects still last without the supplements?

5. I know you're not a pharmacist but I have ADHD and take a medication called Vyvanse (50mg). Do you know if there is any issue with taking this prescription medicine with any of these supplements?

Afternoon Everyone,

I hope that all of you have been doing well. Yeah, that title is certainly attention grabbing, isn't it?

Well, let's start off with the helpful information I promised, shall we? For starters, I had been doing some research on some compounds that I believe will be very helpful to you. Now, I will say from the outset that supplements alone will not give you the results you're looking for—training will.

Everyone is looking for a magic pill for everything: weight loss, getting rich, etc. and something as delicate as premature ejaculation is no exception. But, just like those other areas of life, while you may have access to something that will help you, ultimately the deciding factor on whether or not you achieve your goal depends on if you put in the work. The men that come into this subreddit, scan the MDG for 15 minutes, try it for 2-3 weeks and then come back making a post like

"How do I learn how to surf ASAP please help!"

will almost never be successful, because right from the outset they are looking for a shortcut. Spoilers: there isn't one.

However, a shortcut is very different from a leg-up, and that is what I intend to give.

I will preface this information by saying that

1. I am not a doctor.

2. These supplements/compounds are NOT required to achieve your goal.

3. If you are uncomfortable with the idea of using these compounds or have concerns, please consult your doctor.

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Helpful Compounds/Supplements

If you have the following issues during training/sex, these may be what you need to help your training break through a plateau:

• If your arousal curve ramps up too fast to be able to modulate your arousal effectively (Supplement 1).

• If the point of no return is still difficult to back away from even with conscious tactics like pelvic floor relaxation, deep breathing, and stimulation modulation (Supplement 1).

• You successfully complete training sessions effectively, but it still feels like that training isn't "sticking" (Supplement 2).

• You've hit a plateau where even though you're completing training sessions, there doesn't seem to be any noticeable progression anymore. (Supplement 2)

Supplement 1 - Inositol

Inositol works by smoothing how serotonin-based signals rise, fall, and interact with the reflex circuits that generate male arousal and ejaculation. Inositol is NOT an SSRI, nor is it a serotonin enhancer, nor is it a derivative like 5-HTP is from L-tryptophan.

Inositol modulates the phosphatidylinositol (PI) signaling cycle, affecting second-messenger systems linked to serotonergic regulation. This is NOT an increase in serotonin, I want to make that extremely clear. When I spoke about the arousal curve earlier, I am referring to the time it takes from sexual stimulation starting to you reaching the point of no return. During the Male Sexual Response Cycle (you should know what this is by now), sexual arousal is a momentum-based climb: sensory input (physical stimulation), emotional charge (anticipation and/or anxiety), and spinal reflex activation (neurological involvement) accumulate until they hit the point-of-no-return. When dopamine tone is weak alongside serotonin signaling being unstable, this climb becomes steeper and faster. When signaling is steadier, the climb becomes slower and more manageable. Again, this is not about serotonin in isolation, this is about signaling, which is not the same thing.

Instead of letting serotonin fluctuate in sharp waves, inositol steadies the system’s “internal noise.”

This steadiness changes how fast stimulation snowballs. Normally, intense stimulation can trigger rapid sympathetic activation—heart rate jumps, breath shortens, pelvic-floor tension rises—all of which steepen the arousal curve. Inositol blunts this early sympathetic surge. With less anticipatory tension and fewer involuntary mini-spikes, the system doesn’t race upward. The same stimulation produces a more gradual rise in urgency.

When serotonin signaling is volatile, inhibition flickers—one moment strong, the next moment it's weak—making ejaculation thresholds unpredictable. When it is stable, inhibition becomes steady, predictable, and durable. This gives more usable time to remain in high-arousal zones without tipping over. I will repeat yet again, that this is not about increasing serotonin—excess serotonin leads to flattening libido, weaker erections, and an elimination of sympathetic drive. Sympathetic nervous system activation isn't an issue — EXCESSIVE sympathetic activation is. Sympathetic activation during the male arousal is needed for orgasm/ejaculation (you still want to be able to ejaculate when/if you want to, don't you?). Where MDG training comes in and becomes useful is when you learn to increase parasympathetic involvement/tone while exposing your nervous system to sympathetic charge and safely backing away from it. That is what ultimately leads to your body learning that those surges are not "threatening"— the system blends these opposing aspects of the nervous system more efficiently until you can sit in it comfortably. Your body already does this to a certain degree: achieving an erection is a parasympathetic response, but orgasm/ejaculation is a sympathetic one. So, you don't want the complete elimination of one or the other. Rather, you need exposure to those sympathetic surges in order for your body to learn from them.

Where inositol comes into play, is that by flattening the curve of your arousal a bit, your body can still receive the input (genital stimulation) at a steady pace without it immediately identifying it as signal to skyrocket towards orgasm.

For the specific purpose of flattening the arousal curve and extending the time to climax, the range generally used for serotonergic signal stabilization is 6–12 grams per day, divided into two or three doses. This is the same range leveraged for anxiety-spectrum modulation (which is seen in a few formal studies), which relies on the same signal-smoothing effects responsible for slowing arousal escalation. Lower amounts (1–3 grams) rarely create enough serotonergic signaling stability to significantly alter the rate of sexual build-up. Higher amounts (above 12 grams) offer diminishing returns and increase the probability of gastrointestinal discomfort. However, after about 3-4 weeks, once serotonin signaling has improved and stabilized, inositol provides diminishing returns—you can only balance your signaling but so much.

"How would this feel in practice"?

Generalized, Non-specific Example:

Before inositol - you reach the PONR within 10 seconds or so of genuine pleasure starting and have 1-2 seconds to react and back away before it's too late.

After inositol for 3-4 weeks - you reach the PONR within 40-60 seconds but the ramp is smoother and you have 5-10 seconds to acknowledge how close you are and can still back away safely.

Supplement 2 - Dihexa

*DISCLAIMER* - This compound is classified as a "Research Chemical". While legal in most jurisdictions, research chemicals often have limited-to-no formal human study behind them—their pharmacological effects being inferred based off the nature of their chemical makeup. Dihexa's interaction with the human body besides this pharmacological description is unknown. You use this at your own risk.

Dihexa is a hepatocyte-growth-factor–derived angiotensin IV analog. Its functional significance lies in how it interacts with the HGF/c-Met pathway, which governs synaptic growth, spine maturation, dendritic arborization, and long-range axon–synapse remodeling. The compound increases the affinity of HGF for c-Met, shifting the system toward exaggerated local plasticity rather than global excitation.

Its distinguishing feature is not classical “nootropic stimulation” but structural remodeling potency. In the supplement guide, I mentioned 7,8 DHF as a powerful neuroplasticity enhancer and, that is still true. However, Dihexa's potency is SEVERAL FOLD stronger because again, it impacts local plasticity.

In head-to-head in vitro comparisons, HGF-pathway amplification yields a larger downstream effect on synaptogenesis markers than BDNF-mimetic activity. Here's the comparisons.

– 7,8-DHF: mimics BDNF at TrkB. Produces synaptic strengthening, but biased toward LTP-like upregulation rather than structural rewiring. (LTP meaning "Long-term potentiation").

– Psilocybin (aka mushrooms -- illegal in most areas but has inferred neuroplastic benefits): 5-HT2A agonism → cortical dendritic spinogenesis, increased entropy, and network flexibility. Its plasticity is broad, transient, and patterned by receptor distribution.

– Dihexa: c-Met modulation → more localized, function-specific remodeling of the circuits coincident with active behavior during the window. Plasticity magnitude is EXTREMELY high when paired with repeated, specific behavioral inputs and relatively low in absence of patterned stimulation. The bias is “task-specific synapse hardwiring,” not diffuse cognitive flexibility.

The male sexual response relies on tightly coupled loops across somatosensory cortex, medial preoptic area, hypothalamus, spinal sexual reflex centers, and the periaqueductal gray (if you read the Science Behind The Guide, this all sounds familiar to you). Premature ejaculation reflects an over-efficient sensorimotor integration: ascending sensory signals summate too quickly, triggering the spinal generator threshold before cortical–prefrontal regulatory control catches up. (aka, your body moves towards orgasm even when you don't want it to, because it deemed that sexual response as the most "efficient" response from sexual pleasure)

When you pair a plasticity-amplifying compound with structured, repeated, precision-controlled edging training, the nervous system reorganizes around exactly the conditions being rehearsed.

Mechanistically:
– Descending inhibition strengthening: With repeated “high arousal but non-ejaculatory” cycles, corticospinal inhibitory projections to thoracolumbar and lumbosacral centers build stronger, faster veto power.
– Sensory-gain recalibration: Repeated exposure to identical sensory intensity without ejaculation generates a new sensory baseline. The system learns that high-intensity penile mechanoreceptor input is not automatically linked to reflexive completion (aka - ejaculating as a automatic reflex). Synapses that previously signaled “this pattern = imminent ejaculation” become down-weighted/less efficient.
– Improved error-prediction modeling: The brain begins predicting longer sequences of stimulation without anticipating the ejaculatory reflex. Anticipatory tension drops; sympathetic overactivation reduces; thresholds rise. This means that the brain starts to "expect" that pleasure rises smoothly and steadily, so everything downstream of that adjusts accordingly.
– Delayed spinal reflex triggering: The spinal generator requires stronger, more sustained summation to reach the threshold because you have reshaped the afferent–efferent mapping during the plasticity-window. (More effort is required to ejaculate than to NOT ejaculate).

Under a compound that amplifies task-specific neuroplasticity, the speed and magnitude of this re-wiring increase several fold.
The pairing of plasticity + repeated training cycles shortens the number of sessions needed to encode this as the new default response drastically. The maximum appropriate dose is no more than 5mg 2-3 hours prior to training. Because of increased dopaminergic tone, doses must be taken earlier in the day, as they may increase cognitive alertness, causing or exacerbating insomnia. There is no feeling of anxiety, jitteriness, euphoria, or restlessness. This compound works in the neurological background and has no acute "Oh, I feel it now" sensation. This is not to be taken in combination with 7,8DHF— more plasticity is not better and each compound works along separate pathways.

"How would this feel in practice"?

Generalized, Non-specific Example:

Someone beginning the MDG from scratch -- take anywhere from 3-4+ months to go from Phase 1 to Phase 8+

With use of Dihexa alongside training - timeline shortens down to 1-2.5 months to go from Phase 1 to Phase 8+.

WARNING - Apart from the assumed risk of taking this research chemical, extreme caution should be used even with its known pharmacology. Your neuroplastic windows once opened after administering it, are EXTREMELY high. That is not exaggeration. What you practice and feel during edging training becomes heavily ingrained/imprinted. Negative behaviors like anxiety during the training, accidental orgasm accompanied with defeatist frustration and mental disappointment and hypervigilance (e.g. -- doing the training in secret while trying not to get caught) become much more "sticky" to your nervous system, as the feedback your nervous system gets becomes more salient. Mundane daily tasks like doing laundry, running errands, spending time with family, etc. are not encoded. Dihexa has no officially confirmed half-life, but based on the compounds chemistry and animal-model pharmacokinetics, a rough approximation puts its reported persistence as a functional half-life likely extending into days, not hours. Estimates cluster in the 36–72 hour range for pharmacologically active presence, with downstream plasticity effects lasting far longer because the compound’s impact is not purely concentration-dependent—it changes receptor–ligand dynamics that continue after plasma levels decline. However, the reward if used strategically alongside mentally positive and structured training (assuming no other medical conditions), is very high—changes in performance would be noticeable much more quickly.

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Helpful Mental Insight

One question many men may have, regardless if they're just starting or if they've already been training for a while is.:

"How is it that there are men out there that can have sex with no mental restraint or self-monitoring, thrusting at whatever intensity they like without ever worrying about ejaculating earlier than they want to, yet I have to jump through all of this training and supplement hoops to retrain my arousal from the ground up? I would bet my house that the men who perform like this aren't diving deep into biohacking, nootropics, conversing in subreddit groups, and even risk taking research chemicals and performing dedicated edging training for months on end. What gives? Is there something they have that I don't? I have to do ALL THIS WORK just to be normal, but they can just be themselves..."

To start, you're not wrong for recognizing this disparity. Yes, there are men out there that somehow seem to just experience sex more easily without worry about performance. Need I remind everyone, I was NOT one of those men either. I had to work for my sexual prowess and now, I'd argue it's even better than theirs. But, that doesn't always ease the minds of other men. So here's some helpful perspective:

1. There is some baseline arousal-threshold variability among men
Male sexual response curves are not uniform. Some men begin life with a naturally high sensory threshold, low sympathetic reactivity, and a refractory internal timing that resists rapid escalation. They can thrust hard because their sensory–arousal coupling is duller. They require more friction, more intensity, more time to reach the point of no return. This is NOT skill; it is physiology—no different than the guy you see at the gym whose biceps seem to grow just by looking at the dumbbells, yet you've been at it for much longer and don't have the same baseline of growth.

2. Developmental conditioning
Arousal patterns are shaped from adolescence onward. Early masturbation habits matter. High pressure, fast stroke speeds, or intense stimuli prime the system toward rapid sympathetic pickup. If someone grew up masturbating slowly, with full-body arousal instead of aggressive speed and pressure stimulation, they accidentally installed a long-duration arousal curve. That becomes their adult sexual baseline without training.

3. Neurochemical responsivity range
Some nervous systems are unusually tolerant to dopamine spikes, tension, and pelvic contractions. Others experience rapid dopaminergic climb, faster spinal reflex gating, and tighter pelvic floor contraction patterns. The former group appears “naturally gifted” while the latter group (all of us) must perform structured work because their baseline circuitry pushes them toward rapid escalation.

4. Pelvic floor tone differences
Many men with high control have naturally low pelvic floor resting tone. Hypertonicity, even mild, accelerates reflex arcs and causes premature reflexive contractions. If your baseline tone is higher, you must train it down. Those other guys simply didn’t start with that tension.

5. Cognitive-somatic integration differences
Some men have reflex arcs that barely integrate with conscious control. They cannot feel their arousal rising until late, but paradoxically their system rises slowly enough that this lack of monitoring still doesn’t cause early ejaculation. You have higher interoceptive sensitivity but also faster arousal kinetics, forcing you into conscious modulation until nervous system retraining sets new default behaviors.

6. Learned relational safety and anxiety load
Men who never developed sex-related performance tension accumulate no anticipatory sympathetic spikes during penetration. Others formed micro-patterns of vigilance, expectation, or self-monitoring. These patterns alter spinal reflex excitability and shorten the time to the point of no return. You are now unwinding these patterns. It is the paradox of "The more aware of it I am, the worse it gets" when it comes to your sexual stamina.

The men who naturally perform with reckless abandon are not “trying harder.” They are operating inside a physiological framework that happens to be forgiving. You are modifying your own framework so that the same outcome becomes automatic rather than effortful. What's more, is that once you achieve your mastery, you will actually in a better spot than they are, because you'll be experiencing MORE pleasure alongside your control. Hard work will always surpass natural talent. If a guy already thinks he lasts long, he has no incentive to change his sexual behavior. However, you recognize how important that is because you lack that stamina (for whatever reason), which means your perspective is actually healthier: You're open to change and self-improvement.

Also, I've lurked in here on occasion and notice many men frustrated with the fact that several men succeed while others don't. I will be the first to tell you, as I have from the very beginning, that I am not infallible. The MDG literally started out as a casual document I posted onto the internet to help the people that took an interest in it. And while I did pour my own academic knowledge and personal research into its contents, I wasn't posting it with the idea that I was going to get a Pulitzer for it or anything: If men found it helpful great, but if they didn't...well, they didn't.

To that end, I may not have gotten everything 100% correct (is there a man walking this Earth who has?). What I will tell you, is that even though the training is very much physical, the one thing I'd wager separated us guys who succeeded versus the guys who are getting stuck is the MENTAL aspect of the training. If you:

• Perform your training while feeling anxious the whole time (telling yourself: "Please don't mess this up, C'mon please don't cum please don't cum please don't cum---Agh! that was close! I don't know if I can do this...this is hard...how is this supposed to help me?...SHIT I couldn't stop it, DAMN IT that means I have to restart this whole phase AGAIN!?")

• Perform the training for a few weeks and expect an immediate 1:1 transfer to sexual performance with a partner (Logs into Reddit: "I've been at this training for 10 weeks now, and even though I'm starting to last during training, my girl went to touch me and I immediately orgasmed...")

• Get stuck in a rut where you have progressed, then rush back to the subreddit to claim you're giving up because it "just doesn't work for you".

All of that stems from the same artificial mental constraints you are putting on yourself and your progress. Training should be FUN, not a "Quick! Red wire or blue wire?!" type of situation. Yes, I know you are frustrated because ultimately, you want to be a good lover and you placed your faith in the guide. But the guide is merely a tool, you need to place your faith in YOURSELF (not to get all melodramatic here). You have to remember you are controlling your own body, it's not anyone else. Even back when I was going through the training/creating the guide and I accidentally orgasmed, I laughed and shrugged, not beat myself up over it. And if you read my backstory of why I started this training to begin with, you know that the pressure was certainly on for me to improve, I could've felt like I was on the clock, but I chose not to be, and I didn't have all the information you now have, compiled into one location for you. That is the same type of mentality you should approach your own training with. The science is all here, consolidated for you to use to your advantage. You need to remember to have a healthy relationship with the training. If it takes you 2 months, great. If it takes you 8 months? That's still great! How long did you have the problem again?.......

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Some Final Words

Well gents, this is my full-write up as promised. But, I did have one major announcement that I kept to the end. And that is, that I'm officially stepping away from the subreddit and the Male Definitive Guide in general.

Why? Well, ALOT has been happening IRL. To start, my wife and I are pregnant now. (Yes, that mean I intentionally ejaculated several times as we were trying. No, I have not reversed my sexual ability—suffice it to say, we "double checked"). However, I have also experienced more deaths in the close family. I already experienced a death in the family a few months ago, but with these added loses, combined with a baby now on the way (we're 2 months in so far), the stress and mourning is very high, and I've had to make radical changes to my life.

I've had to move to another state, my business needed reorganizing, my time at the clinic I worked at needed to be altered (and now I no longer work there), and now more family members alongside my wife are leaning on me for support now more than ever. It's a VERY rough time over here....That means, that I don't exactly have the time to dedicate to a subreddit. My life is being reorganized quite drastically, which means it needs more of my attention.

However, it should be noted that everything that I've ever submitted to this effort, including the Guide itself will stay up right where it is. The Guide will always be around, as will the informational contributions I made alongside it. Who knows, maybe someone will come along and build upon it, optimizing it even further. But, the longevity of this sub is now in the hands of the moderators and community as a whole.

I never thought it would culminate into something like this, but it has, and I'm so very grateful for the opportunity to make such a profound and positive impact on so many strangers. I truly am humbled and I mean that sincerely. Perhaps in the future if my life affords more free time, I'll return to the sub, but for now this is a goodbye to the community as well as Reddit on the whole.

Good luck to everyone and perhaps I'll see ya in the future!

Cheers,

I can't believe it fellas , I had faith , but you know it's always a tad bit of doubtful worry in the back of mind ....

I finished the program 🙏🏾

Although I'm not on the point where I'm comfortable just surfing but not cumming ...but I can say .....

I just had my first test (actual sex) and I got a A+!

She hopped on top , I told her to go slow , I've been abstinent for a couple weeks... she was grinding slow , up and down for about 6-7 mins.... then she started going crazy ... I was in pure disbelief. I fell into how good wit was feeling , and didn't want it to end ... I involuntarily Kegeld a few times (and she loved every time) & she would slow down , then pick up the pace ....

1st round was like 20 mins strait ... I was able to control my ejaculation ... I was hovering very close (felt amazing) when I finally came. It was outstanding , i was shaking like a mad man.

Then something strange happened .... my erection didn't go away afterwards . She was like "why are u still hard" and I was speechless, I had no answer ... I gave her the credit tho lol

So she Went down on me , gave me a A1 Blowjob , jumped bsck on top .... and I'm not gonna lie , I lost track of time , it was a long time tho !

Don't let them discourage you lifelongers!

Because you now have proof it's 100% possible.

Thank you HealthGeek , Shout out to u too Attaboy ...shout out to the whole subreddit

Yall are my virtual family for life 🤞🏾

P.S.

(She's still over here at my house currently in the bed , I kind of rushed this post , I gotta proofread and see if I left anything out , so lookout for possible edit.... talk to yall in a few , I'm about to go back to pound town 😂)

What’s up y’all,

Last time I posted in here I had just completed the program (go back through my post history if you want that write up). That was several months ago and I’ve been continuing with the program ever since (I guess it would be known as “Phase 8 and beyond”).

I no longer train solo and just have sex with my girl. And gents, if you ever had doubt, just throw it all away.

I confidently state that I have matched the sexual experience the author has described and it is wonderful.

Sex is simply divine. I no longer cum unless I choose to, and I finally understand what he meant when he says the pleasure builds and builds, until it just sits there. It’s like a dopamine spike that simply doesn’t end.

Watching my girl wiggle about underneath me just adds to the horniness more and more, but I never tip. I don’t even have to worry about it anymore. I just keep fucking. No dulled or muted pleasure or anything. Boys, this is how we were meant to take our women.

I wanted to write back here one last time as a final and sincerest thank you to the author himself. To have such a stranger on the internet make such a profound positive impact on a key aspect of my life almost leaves me speechless, especially since you gave all this info freely.

My confidence is at an all time high, and it’s bled into other aspects of my life. I proposed to my girl and now when I walk about with her in public I truly feel like she’s MINE, if that makes sense.

Because of this training and how we have sex now, I’m the only one who has seen her completely uninhibited and feral in the bedroom. It’s simply awesome. To go from PE to this is just….man, thank you. I hope you see this and it’s more than just a wall of text to you.

Don’t give up gents. It’s SO WORTH IT.

Ok we had the guys out for two evenings, quite rare, so we decide to have some fun,lol. First evening we knew we had Only 30 minutes so i was a little anxious,not very present, not good. We start with some foreplay but She wants me inside her, missionary, due to lack of time i start very fast, big mistake because i'm at PONR in 10-12 thurst. Shit. I Deep breathe. Ask her to come on top. Better. Ponr Is gone. She ride me for 4-5 minutes and came, i decide to not eiaculate. So never never never start fast. Session two, next evening Is probably the Best sex i had in my Life. We had 2+ hours of Freedom so no pressure. during the day i tried to stay Always present and to Deep breathe. I try to repeat myself to start very slow. So back to the session. We did a quite long foreplay, like twenty minutes. She ask to penetrate. I am over in missionary. I entered very very slowly. I start to thurst very slow. Bam, i'm in control. I look her in the eyes and Is the First Time i saw her Lost in me. 6-7 minutes in missionary, 10+ in cowgirl, 6-7 doggy. I decide to cum in the end. She cummed 4+ times i think . Never seen her like that. And we are together from 30+ years. See felt asleep immediatly After we finished and tell me She wants to be leaved alone and not touched for a while. The morning After at breakfast She looks me in a strange way, like asking me if i'm the same person. Never give up guys! This Is gold. I still do my fleshlight sessions, 4/5 times a week. Because i want always to improve.

Hi guys,

As many of you may know I’m a big proponent of the Angion Method (r/AngionMethod) and Male Definitive Guide (r/MaleDefinitiveGuide) which is why I’m a moderator for both subs. I wanted to write a post about how you can optimize your sexual performance through a combination of these two programs. I didn’t write either program, but I have become a disciple of both u/JanusBifronz and u/HealthGeek1870 the respective creators of these methods. If you’d like a background on me, I encourage you to check out my Angion Story Post where I go into detail about my starting point when I found these programs back in March, 2025. In short, it wasn’t pretty. I had bad ED, hairpin PE, and was basically a sexual wreck. The Angion Method and MDG combo has completely revived my sexual life and I want to help other men do the same.

Over the past few months I’ve had the privilege of interacting with hundreds of men on both subs and I realized that what every guy here wants is to show up to a sexual encounter and be the man. Whether you're having sex with your wife, your girlfriend, or just a random girl you met at a bar, we all want to perform in the bedroom. That’s why you’re here. You want to be able to handle any and every situation that comes your way with ease.

She wants you to perform oral and then climb on top of you until she orgasms? Great!

She wants to do missionary and share eye contact? No problem!

She wants it hard from behind? Easy peezy

She gives you a half of a hand job and then says “follow me to the bedroom” expecting you to still be hard when you get there? I'm in!

She winks at you before hopping in the shower and says “there’s room in here for two”? Don't have to tell me twice!

What do all these scenarios have in common? In each scenario, it was the woman who was leading the interaction. She is telling you what she wants! And in A LOT of sexual scenarios, this is the case. The woman leads and we need to be ready. There is no room for:

“Uh oh, I can’t stay hard when I’m laying down.”

“Oh shoot, I don’t last more than a couple pumps in missionary especially when I'm watching her face.”

“Oh no, doggy style gets me every time, there’s no way I’m going to last.”

“I need constant stimulation to stay hard, this hard-on I have from the hand job won’t last until we get to the bedroom.”

“Oh no, how long is she going to be in the shower for? It takes me 5 minutes to get hard, I hope I can make it in time”.

The list of sexual worries guys face goes on and on.

How do I come up with this specific list? Because those are all scenarios from my own past and all real thoughts that ran through my head. I didn’t make those up. And I'm sure you have a similar list from your own past.

But I’m in the best sexual shape of my life right now and I can confidently say I would have no objections to any of the above scenarios right now. Guys, these issues are all completely fixable!

I’m not going to break down exactly how to perform the Angion Method and MDG (I encourage you to head to each respective sub to learn more), but I will provide a brief overview of how each program can help you become the man in the bedroom.

How the Angion Method Can Help You

The Angion Method improves your overall EQ. It will help you achieve harder erections in less time and in all positions. I wrote a post called the EQ Scale. If you haven’t already checked it out, I encourage you to read it and figure out what your EQ number is. This is an important starting point for men. Know where you stand and pick a goal, then start training to achieve it. Oh and I haven't even mentioned size. With consistent training and time, the Angion Method can also help you grow a larger member and who would honestly say no to extra size? If you're interested in learning more, check out the post The Complete Beginner's Guide to the Angion Method.

How the Male Definitive Guide Can Help You

MDG helps with erection durability and sexual stamina. Erection durability is an issue for a lot of men because most of us have trained our minds and bodies to seek orgasm as the end-goal of sex. So what happens, is at the first sign that orgasm isn’t coming (like the paused hand job example above), your body stops wasting effort keeping you erect and you lose your erection. What MDG does is train your nervous system to seek pleasure, not orgasm. That way, when stimulation temporarily stops, your body is able to maintain your erection. MDG also helps you decouple arousal from orgasm so you can last as long as you want in bed and can satisfy your girl in any position, any time.

Angion + MDG = The makings of a sex god

So how do you effectively combine both programs? For me it looks like this. 

Monday, Wednesday, Friday : 

• 5:00am - 5:30am Angion Method Training (I shared my specific Angion routine in From ED to the Wheel. My Angion Story.)

• 5:30am - 5:50am MDG (I shared how to do a great MDG session in Update - Rethinking What Makes for a Successful Training Session)

• 5:50am - 6:20am Dedicated Lower Body Cardio (I talk about the importance of cardio in Don’t Sleep on Cardio)

Tuesday and Thursday:

• 5:00am - 5:20am MDG

Saturday and Sunday:

• Off

 It’s worth your time and effort to do both programs. If you only have time in your day to do one, what I recommend is to do the following:

• 2 months of Angion to build a solid base of EQ, work until you're proficient with AM2 or AM3

• 2-4 months of MDG to build sexual stamina and decouple arousal from orgasm

• Go back to Angion for life or as needed to maintain EQ

The bottom line is, in order for a woman to want sex, the sex has to be worth wanting. The Angion Method combined with MDG can give you the EQ and sexual stamina to give your girl sex worth wanting. You can make all the money in the world and achieve all you want in your career, but if you can’t satisfy your woman in the bedroom, something will always be lacking. Make the time, put in the effort, and become the man in the bedroom you’ve always wanted to be.

Hi guys,

If you’ve been paying attention recently you’ve seen a flurry of posts from me. The reason for that is I’ve been thinking about my life and where I’m spending my time and I’ve decided it’s time for me to step away from Reddit, possibly forever. I don’t plan to delete my account because I have spent the past 5 months creating posts that I hope serve men for years to come. Ever since I was young I’ve been taught to never do anything halfway which is why I’ve gone all out on MDG and Angion from the minute I found out about them. But I have three young children, a full time job, and a beautiful wife who all need my full attention. I can’t be in two places at once even mentally.

I’ve truly enjoyed being a part of these special communities and I hope I’ve given back even 5% of what they’ve given me. When I found these programs I was a sexual mess with ED and hairpin PE, but I’ve defeated both giants and am very happy with my sex life and so is my wife. I never achieved full control over my orgasm like I wanted to, but it’s because I wasn’t willing to give up regular orgasm with my wife. My wife and I have sex once a week and she told me a few weeks ago when I stopped orgasming that she was sad and she felt like I was holding something back from her. She told me she cared more about us both experiencing orgasm together than she did about her experiencing it alone. I took that to heart and we now have a great sexual experience every week where I bring her to orgasm manually and then we share 2-5 minutes of penetrative sex. It’s a beautiful thing and I still credit the guide for getting me to where I am. Never lose sight of why you’re training and don’t let anything come between you and your wife / GF, not even the guide.

I still plan to keep training 3-5 times per week despite my plan to continue orgasming weekly with my wife. You never know, I might achieve mastery yet 😉. To all the men who have achieved mastery, hats off to you. That’s an incredible accomplishment and I hope to join you one day.

I wish all of you the very best and it’s been an absolute pleasure getting to interact with this amazing community.

A very special thanks to u/HealthGeek1870, u/JanusBifronz, u/Soon2bhuge, u/Emotional-Zone-3202, u/BornWeirdStrawberry and the countless men who have private messaged me. I consider you all friends at this point and wish we could have a beer together to celebrate all that we’ve built and accomplished together. 5 months ago when I went out looking for a solution to my ED I never could have imagined it would turn into all this. I came to Reddit with a goal in mind and I’ve accomplished that goal. It’s time for me to move onto other things.

Keep training guys, it’s all worth it.

I will be active on Reddit for the next 24 hours for final questions / goodbyes.

Signing off very soon,

u/Attaboy2017

I have been practicing MDG since October 2025. I “completed” the 7 phases successfully around the beginning of February 2026 and have continued training since although I have been averaging less than 4 sessions a week over the last couple months.

I’ve been reluctant (until now) to claim that I had achieved mastery as I had slowly been building up a large enough sample size of sexual experiences where I had properly transitioned training to the bedroom. This is mostly due to the fact that I don’t have a lot of regular sex on a weekly basis.

Well, since May, every sexual encounter I have been in has been a rousing success. Multiple orgasms for my significant other without any ejaculation for me. Notice I use the term ejaculation instead of orgasm as I have mastered the ability to hang out just before the PONR which is essentially just one continuous orgasm without ejaculation. PIV sex that lasts over 30 minutes. The last several times we’ve had sex, we are like a couple animals growling at each other in never ending bliss. Sex only ends because she needs a break. Sex is becoming a much more regular occurrence because I’m not a total disappointment in the sack for her. I’ve ignited her tribal instincts.

While not necessarily an explicit benefit of MDG, I have essentially eliminated any refractory period. If I do happen to ejaculate, it doesn’t matter. I can keep going if I want. This morning, we had sex. Long story short, I ejaculated twice, but it didn’t matter. We only stopped because she needed a break.

As other success stories have told, you don’t need more information than what is in the guide and some of the other key archived posts. I know the first question I will get is “how long did you last before starting the program?” I was all over the map with zero control. Sometimes I would bust a load the second I entered. Sometimes, I could last several minutes (usually when intoxicated), but it was a total state of panic the whole time.

Keep up the training gentlemen! Don’t expect mastery after the phases are complete. I have been doing maintenance training almost twice as long as the period of time it took me to complete the phases.

P.S. For the love of God, ditch the porn and fuck a real woman.

I began a new relationship back in November 2025. Everything started off great and we connected on every level… apart from sex! I was really worried as I didn’t want to mess this up but the sex was just not improving, we did it like 4/5 times from December to April which is barely anything and each and every time I struggled to make it past 2-3 minutes. I could see she was visibly frustrated and we had the talk many times if we were ever compatible in that way.

Desperate to save the relationship, I tried numerous avenues… pills, switching positions every 20 seconds, longer foreplay etc but none of this worked. I have a whole foods diet, plenty of protein, fats and right amount of carbs. I lift weights regularly and sleep good. I haven’t watched porn in 2 years and hardly ever stress about anything. I was baffled as to why I was experiencing this. At the end of April, I did an audit on myself and noticed key issues which were the root cause of my problems!

I was a heavy mouth breather. I would mouth breathe all the time. Day and night. This made me breathe shallowly and had direct impact when ejaculating early as I was holding my breath during sex.

I had major pelvic floor tension. I don’t now, but I can remember exactly what this felt like. I was in survival. I was walking around everywhere clenching my pelvic floor like I was holding in a desperate pee.

I had (still have) tight hips. This also contributed to pelvic floor tension as it’s all in the same area. I’m slowly improving this though.

I had years in my early 20s where I would masturbate and finish quickly as possible 1-2mins.

What did I do to fix all this?

I spent 40 mins each morning resetting my body. 10minutes of deep nasal breathing followed by 30minutes of full body stretching. This helped massively reducing tension in my body especially my lower back, hips and hamstrings, all which are crucial to drop that pelvic floor tension!

I consciously started to nose breathe through out the day, in the gym, on walks, working. Within 2 weeks I seen massive changes in my facial structure and the ability to deep breathe into my diaphragm.

I came across Jonathan White on YouTube and took upon his stretching routines too at times. Happy baby pose, legs up against the wall. I removed any sort of digital stimulation or music when doing breathing/stretching, this helped me focus on my breath massively.

I started the MDG on 1st May and struggled the first 2 weeks. I ended up ejaculating at the end of week 2 as I felt that edging for 2 weeks gave me some tension. The ejaculation helped and let me go again for the next 2 weeks, building my stamina and control rather than stopping every 15seconds during mdg phase 2.

Yesterday (end of May) I had sex for the first time since start of April. It was a great experience! I lasted a solid 20minutes of just penetration and she orgasmed 3 times before I ended up ejaculating. Throughout the 20minutes, I felt in total control and felt I could ejaculate on my own accord rather than succumbing to the tension. She was shocked, surprised and so happy!

Before this we would have sex for 2-3 minutes with her not orgasming and she would become distant after we finished. Yesterday we then did a 2nd round which lasted around another 15-20 minutes (penetration only). After this we both hugged and bonded. The only hurdle in the relationship was now hopefully solved.

Obviously this is the first great experience of sex with her. However I truly believe I have fixed my root cause of issues and now I am aiming to continue breathing exercises, daily stretching, and self pleasure.

Hi all,

I am sure that everyone has been looking for significant success stories… so I feel obliged to provide one!

Initially, I had not told my wife about the definitive guide and had completed the first 5 weeks without telling her. Last week we had gone on holiday, so I took a hiatus on the MDG, as with lots of family around in a small villa it seemed impossible to find the time to practice. This week, I have gone through phase 5 again as was concerned about regressing. Finished my 5 days, felt great each day in training, riding PONR each day (not to say that there wasn’t control management during sessions) and was successful in avoiding any orgasm all week.

I had initially intended to keep it secret from my missus and then suddenly turn into some sort of sex stallion, but after some consideration, and knowing that I was about to approach fleshlight week, I decided to let her in on the guide. I knew that she would feel broken if she found out I was using a fleshlight (even for her benefit) so took the option of informing her. After an enlightening and often amusing chat, she offered to be my fleshlight when the time approached.

To the best part… every time I have had sex with my wife in previous weeks it had always been a bit of an embarrassment (worse than usual in honesty), but tonight I ploughed her with free abandon and it felt amazing!

This was not a designated ‘fleshlight’ session, it was our usual weekend release. But my performance was amazing, to the point that she got her orgasm (usually only happens with foreplay) and I was happy to stop without ejaculating!

I wasn’t timing, but I would predict that I was continuous for at least 10 mins, most notably, I WAS IN CONTROL! I was feeling the exact same buzz that I have been getting from surfing, but never felt like I was going to lose my way, or get overwhelmed by the sexual reflexes that have plagued me for 20 years!

I am not sure how to communicate the elation that I have felt from this milestone, but this is unprecedented for me in nearly all of my sexual experiences to date!

From my perspective, this guide is the answer, and I hope everyone takes the time to believe in it!

I would also recommend that anyone who has a partner to tell them about it, I feel like that doing this immediately made me feel so much more calm about the predetermined expectations to perform.

I will continue to work through the guide, as I feel that I have an extra dose of sexual prowess to offer. After my wife and I’s session, she said ‘buy the fleshlight, I don’t have the energy for that 5 days in a row!’

Need I say more? Hopefully this continues and wasn’t just a one off!

I love you healthgeek, keep the faith gents,

THIS SHIT WORKS

Fully Archived

Today, after 5 months of training, I mark myself as fully archived.

I can enjoy sex more, I can last as long as I want, I can thrust as hard and fast as I want, and I can control my ejaculation whenever I want (not immediately, but it takes me 30 seconds to cum when I change the "mindset" from controlling to cumming).

During sex, the feeling is not like we are using freezing cream or things that make us last longer (because those things make us last longer without enjoying the feeling). There are moments when I almost cum (usually it happens when I see my partner climax). The pattern of feeling in sex looks like this picture below : it’s a series of reaching near PONR then calming down (by slowing down or stop for under 5 sec when reach PONR or I enjoy that near PONR feeling), then reaching near PONR again, until I want to ejaculate

Some keys in my practice:

• Learn how to masturbate: stroke the most sensitive part, always with lub, make masturbating like having real sex, and the foreskin of the penis should not be involved in this process.

• Master Phase 4 and 5 – yes, these phases are keys in MDG – no matter if it takes 2 weeks or 10 weeks. When mastering these phases, I almost control 70%-80% during sex. Notice the feeling and modulate that feeling when not ejaculating for at least 1 week (my longest streak without ejaculation is 8 days). The longer the time without ejaculation, the faster you will achieve.

• Phase 6 and 7 are actually upgrades of Phase 4 and 5. Mastering these phases will add 20%-30% control during sex.

• About breathing: I do not put so much attention on belly breathing because I think we are born with belly breathing; I just keep my breath normal, do not breathing hard (imagine you are in a marathon and you need to keep a steady breath). Sometimes when I reach near PONR, I forget to breathe.

• Fleshlight during training: keep in mind that even micromovement in FL can make huge steps in real sex. I can only stroke at a sex pace in FL for only 20-30sec before reaching PONR, so don’t worry if you can only do micromovement in FL.

• About involuntary kegel: it happens when training, but I do not see it happen during sex. My solution: I control my breath and the placement of feeling to that kegel muscle, it's hard to say how it should be, I will tell in another post (maybe it’s like feeling the muscle when weightlifting). Now IK is not my problem anymore.

Tips during sex:

• Make sure she is wet.

• When I put it inside, I stay from 30 seconds to 2 minutes and talk to her, moan, or do whatever I want until I feel calm. (I notice that if I am nervous, I cannot control during sex, and it would be a disaster soon) .

• When I feel calm, I start slow for 1-2 minutes or "thrust and stay calm" for under 20 seconds each round (maybe).

• Then I increase the pace of thrusting. It tooks me more than 5 mins from slow pace to thrusting pace continously. (do you see it familiar to first 10 mins in training?)

• The more I understand my feeling/body during training, the more I control during sex (e.g., when I’m about to reach PONR, is it okay to continue thrusting?).

Something that isn't mentioned in most posts: a side effect is that I have suffered from sleep loss since I started MDG, I think this is a trade off because I change the way my CNS/autonomic nervous system works **I've added new side effect is that I have a slight tremor in my left hand.

This training is not about completing weeks/phases. It's about changing the habit of 1. Mastubating and 2. Sex, it's aslo about changing the Autonomic Nervous System. For example: feeling nervous before having sex is something that autonomic nervous system causes to me and myself need to find my own way to change it. This example raise a conclusion: This guide is not a fit for everyone and should not be considered a perfect guide because we are all different (there is nothing perfect in this world); there are things we need to solve ourselves. I consider this guide to be a crucial starting point for achieving a better sex life.

One more thing: I do not use any supplements.

I updated more info in this post https://www.reddit.com/r/MaleDefinitiveGuide/s/wsJnfqSQfd

I have been done for almost 2 weeks. Great results, consistent over the couple weeks with lots of sex to ejaculation and some not with the wife. I took no supplements-- followed basically all the rules (added 2 half phases) and phase 1-4 I did 5 days/week with phase 5-8 I did 4 days/week.

Results: Fantastic. I can basically have penetrative sex indefinitely and have to switch/set myself on the track for ejaculation to happen specifically EXCEPT for persistent jackhammer thrusting which puts me on the ejaculation track whether I want to or not but I feel this is due to a mental switch and not the stimulation itself as it's been the finisher for 2 decades.

Also-- I always felt like sex wasn't specifically pleasurable and it was just a means to an end, that isn't the case anymore. Separating arousal from orgasm also made me a lot more aware about pleasure and certain touches no longer trigger recoil/shock/panic and are now enjoyable.

Program Thoughts: I did a post earlier in my training- but this is basically magic. It is simple and straight forward, if a bit time consuming- but it also replaces any masturbation time prior so its a wash. Something interesting since I've been done for 2 weeks is I don't believe my control, even with ejaculation with the wife, has weakened. I don't believe this will need maintenance but I've already self committed that this practice will replace masturbation if I ever feel that need.

Training Thoughts: In weight lifting we use this 0-10 RPE scale (rate of perceived exertion) and something that is interesting is that people always think they are doing 2-3+ higher than they are actually doing. I believe that this will be a problem with this training just based off of reading other people's logs. The training feels like a razors edge for most of it and especially the first 2-3 days of each phase, it should not feel like it is getting easier week to week and I had to be really honest with myself about if I was actually pushing myself or not.

I added like a 4.5 and 6.5 phase because I needed a more gradual ramp. The spirit of the guide is to practice control and increase stimulation when you start to get "used" to it so you can stay at that edge. There were times I met the requirement to move up a phase but was touching VERY modified/lightly and just saw that next week I could continue and just not touch lightly and that would ramp it up. These were very helpful but I was cautious as I think staying in a phase too long ( cliffhanger+) could actually be detrimental because you want more reps with the edge and you do get "used" to the stimulation.

Important Takeaways: I credit SO much of the success of the program to the first 10 minutes of each session with as slow of an arousal climb as I can manage where I try to end up at ~8/10.

Phase 1-3 you want to hit the PONR often, get those reps in. Don't beat yourself up if you don't last long. My first 3 sessions I had ~15-20 PONR. I spent more time recovering than stimulating.

I also believe in phase 4-5 you should feel the brain letting you know to lean in when you're about to cum. Instead of what you've done this whole program and in your own life.. you don't stop, someway your brain lets you know to keep going up to that ledge, play with that fire. This feeling happens over and over, session after session and creates space, so to speak, between 8.9 - 9.

Phase 6 this feeling should be expected and your foundation should be rock solid-- however phase 6 is where it all starts coming together and 80% of the progress happens. This is when I felt like my body took over arousal modulation even with the same stimulation and the focus for me was to reduce the panic/response as my own control of the stimulation lessened.

Community Thoughts: This is a supportive group here... but please just read the guide.

HealthGeek created something really dope here. Thanks.

For me and my wife as said, sex happens rarely — we have kids, busy lives, limited privacy, so the pressure Is quite High. Last night, we had a rare 30-minute window alone. No idea when it’ll happen again, lol

Before I started The Definitive Guide and my taoist training, I would often ejaculate during foreplay or as soon as I entered her. Lifelong. It was frustrating. Even worse, if we wanted a round two, we had to wait and I could feel her growing impatient or disappointed. That feeling stayed with me. It hurt.

Now, everything has changed.

We had about 10 minutes of foreplay, then she climbed on top of me and rode me intensely. I stayed grounded, looked her straight in the eyes — and she started moaning and sighing in a way I hadn’t seen or heard in years, maybe ever. After 6–7 minutes, she asked me to stimulate her clit — she was close. I Always stayed with my deep breathing. She came. I didn’t. I surfed the last 2-3 minutes. Beautiful.

My erection was stronger than it’s been in years, and I felt confident, present, and in control. That alone is a huge transformation.

And not just in bed — in daily life, too. Since I’ve been following the Guide and quit porn, I feel more secure, happier, more centered. I have a quiet fire inside now. And I’m not giving that up.

At 49, my sex life has been reborn. And my wife — even though I haven’t told her about the Guide — has started to change too. Her attitude toward sex is shifting. She senses something is different in me, and she’s responding in her own way. It’s subtle, but real. A new dance has begun.

For me This stuff works. Thanks to the creator of the Guide and this community. I feel stronger, clearer, and more loving than ever.

Hello and welcome! We are so exited you joined this sub.

Here are a few simple ground rules to keep in mind as you begin training:

• Read the guide then read it again.

• No porn, no exceptions

• Avoid sexting, nudes from your gf, cybersex, etc. all will harm your progress.

• No orgasms, no exceptions

• First 10 minutes is a warm up period for all phases, avoid PONR for first 10 minutes.

• In phases 1-3 repeatedly bump up against your PONR

• In Phases 4-7 be vigilant in keeping yourself as close as possible to the PONR for a long as possible. The amount of stimulation is not as important and will naturally increase with increased training in later phases.

• No low effort posts. The mod team will delete them.

• If you fail and want to share it, post it here.

• Leaks that are not followed by a refractory period are not an orgasm.

If you follow these guidelines you’ll do great!

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to say a few things while I had the chance... hope everyone has been enjoying their journey using the definitive guide!

1. I just finished doing some deep dives on some compounds that may make your training much, MUCH easier — by several fold. While the training is what will get you to your goal and supplements don't replace discipline and consistency, these may be the leg up that will allow many of you to break past your plateaus. Stay tuned...

2. The subreddit is looking for mods. u/Emotional-Zone-3202 has been in ongoing contact with me about this and I think it would do the subreddit some good. If you're interested and have a sincere desire to build the community, please apply.

3. If you have DM'ed me for any reason, please understand that I don't see it. Despite the fact that it is an established rule for the subreddit, people message me anyways....ALOT. As such, ever since I created the guide many months ago, my inbox stays consistently flooded with message requests, so much so that I essentially can't use it anymore apart from the primary people I've pinned. That means that if you were trying to reach me for help regarding the guide, your request got shot into the void that is my inbox. Please continue to engage with the community, that is what it is here for. There is no secret I have for you and there's no new training trick I could give you that hasn't been touched on at some point within this subreddit's history.

4. I have some personal announcements that are major. I will talk about them at another time when I have more than just a few minutes to type up a quick post.

Congrats to the men who are achieving mastery. I don't comb the subreddit as much as I used to due to IRL stuff, but when I do, I notice the celebrations of people who have progressed, and that should motivate everyone to keep going. Remember to have fun!

Cheers,

3 sexual intercourse, with 3 different women - all mutiple orgasms on my dick, while i cum on command at the end.

This subreddit works. The guide works.

Now, the rest of my life is still shit. Any other subreddits about other aspects of life you guys know about thats as good as this. Please share

Many men within the r/PrematureEjaculation subreddit were curious about the exact science behind the Definitive Guide and how it works. So, by overwhelming request, I’ll break down exactly what happens as a result of the training. First, I want to explain what causes premature ejaculation as it pertains to the involvement of the nervous system.  You must read the Definitive Guide before reading this, otherwise nothing here will make sense to you.

For those who forgot, sex for a man follows what is known as the Male Sexual Response Cycle. It is broken down into 4 phases which are outlined in the original Definitive Guide file. For men experiencing premature ejaculation (PE) however, there are unique occurrences taking place within the nervous system during this cycle – here’s what happens:

1.      Initial Arousal Phase

a.      The hypothalamus (specifically the medial preoptic area) is activated as sexual stimulation begins.

b.      In PE sufferers, the dopaminergic surge is excessive and uncontrolled, often due to hypersensitive reward prediction mechanisms formed from years of hyper stimulating behaviors (e.g., porn, aggressive/fast masturbation).

c.       Arousal climbs too fast with poor cortical modulation, especially in the prefrontal cortex, which would normally regulate restraint and delay.

2.      Peripheral Nerve Sensitization

a.      The dorsal penile nerve, which transmits tactile input to the spinal cord (S2-S4), becomes hyper-responsive.

b.      This rapid and excessive afferent input overwhelms the spinal ejaculation generator in the lamina X of the spinal cord, reducing your capacity to modulate or stall it.

3.      Descending Command Deficiency

a.      Normally, the periaqueductal gray (PAG) and nucleus paragigantocellularis (nPGi) of the brainstem send inhibitory signals to the spinal generator to delay ejaculation.

b.      In PE, this inhibition fails or the delay signal is too weak, due to either low serotoninergic tone or poor conditioning of motor-sensory feedback loops.

4.      Psychological Reinforcement

a.      Every premature climax rewards the maladaptive neural pattern, further embedding it as the default. The system gets wired to interpret “penetration = fast orgasm” as its automatic motor-sensory conclusion.

All of this is what the Definitive Guide is designed to correct.

The Definitive Guide (as I wrote it) is designed to follow a linear progression to take you from a state of high arousal instability (urge to cum feels panicked and not under your control) to holding high arousal as a natural state (high pleasure isn’t “scary” or something to avoid/delay – orgasm becomes optional regardless of sex intensity). While some may see improvements fast and for other men it may be slower, change will still occur no matter who you are. In the beginning, you follow what I called “Peak and Valley Training” followed by “Cliffhanger Training” with increasing challenge in further weeks. The edging training aims to recondition the male sexual reflex arc by engaging and modifying multiple levels of the nervous system: peripheral nerves, spinal cord integration, and cortical regulation.

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Peak and Valley Training

What is happening in the nervous system as you perform this part of the training?

1.      Cortical Oversight Strengthening

§  Each near-peak edge (backing off from 9/10) trains the prefrontal cortex (PFC) to exert executive control over limbic and brainstem systems.

§  This creates new top-down inhibitory synaptic pathways (remember neuroplasticity?) that increase arousal tolerance before triggering ejaculation.

2.      Desensitizing the Ejaculatory Reflex

§  Repeated exposure to high arousal without release (i.e without cumming) inhibits the gain on the spinal ejaculation reflex loop**, building neural threshold**. Think of it like stretching a coiled spring back further and further without ever letting it snap.

3.      Modulation of Serotonin and Dopamine

§  You begin to rebalance serotonin-dopamine ratios, as 5-HT2C receptor density increases, helping suppress orgasm reflexes naturally.

§  Dopamine signaling becomes less spike-driven, reducing reward-dependency and increasing sustainability of arousal.

4.      Peripheral Neural Adaptation

§  Nerve endings in the penis adapt to tolerate prolonged stimulation without reflexively activating spinal discharge.

§  Sensory afferents to the dorsal root ganglion are retrained through use-dependent plasticity.

·       In simple terms, what this does is separates arousal from orgasm. Right now, for 99% of men, arousal inevitably leads to orgasm, it’s simply a matter of “how long”. This part of the training introduces (but does not yet solidify) the new reality that orgasm isn’t required.

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Cliffhanger Training

This part of training cannot be completed effectively until you have established a strong baseline of change via Peak and Valley Training. DO NOT try to skip to this, you will only set yourself up for failure and your nervous system isn’t ready for it. It’s like putting a young 15-year-old who just got his driving learner’s permit behind the wheel of a supped-up Bugatti: he’s gonna crash, and so are you.

What is happening in the nervous system as you perform this part of the training?

1.      Prefrontal-Amygdala Rewiring

§  As you actively sustain your arousal just under the point of no return (9/10) for as long as possible each session, you learn to emotionally detach orgasm urgency from the experience of deep pleasure. (i.e. you learn to enjoy “surfing” the pleasure)

§  This rewiring breaks the old fear-reward loop ("I'm too close….oh shit I’m gonna cum! I can’t stop it!") and replaces it with safe high arousal tolerance. You learn to embrace feeling good with the pleasure instead of constantly worrying that the pleasure is feeling “too good”.

2.      Hypothalamic Reset

§  Sexual homeostasis centers in the medial preoptic area (MPOA) are trained to delay the switch from arousal to climax command.

3.      Sustained Dopaminergic Control

§  Edging sessions retrain dopamine pathways to plateau and sustain instead of peaking-and-crashing.

§  You're hardcoding the concept that pleasure is a state, not a reward signal. (i.e – high sexual pleasure becomes a natural state to be in, instead of it being a “command” for your body to trigger the orgasm)

4.      Autonomic Nervous System Reconditioning

§  With repetition, sympathetic arousal (i.e. the ejaculation trigger) is buffered by parasympathetic dominance (erection and calm control). This is why the deep breathing introduced in Week 2 is crucial. Deep diaphragmatic breathing involves the parasympathetic nervous system.

§  You remap your autonomic balance so intense stimulation becomes arousing but not eruptive.

§  Even if cortical control improves, you’ll relapse if brainstem autonomic nuclei (especially nPGi and PVN in the hypothalamus) still fire the old ejaculation script under stimulation. Which is why it’s good that the training increases parasympathetic tone. As it increases, you’ll see:

·       Better erection stability

·       Slower heart rate under stimulation

·       Lower baseline muscular tension

§  This is autonomic balance training. Instead of sympathetic overdrive → orgasm, you now get parasympathetic stability → sustained pleasure. The change is biochemical too, you get:

·       Less noradrenaline + less spinal serotonin volatility

·       More oxytocin + dopamine regulation

·       A shift from “explosive reflex” to “pervasive presence”.

5.      Weakening of The Motor Reflex

§  Because the stimulation remains intense and consistent but there’s no reinforcement of the original motor output (ejaculation), your brain interprets this pattern as a signal that the old reflexive output is maladaptive, and begins remapping sensory → motor associations. This is neuroplasticity at the level of sensorimotor gating.

6.      Sensory Decoupling + Further Cortical Remapping

§  As you perform more sessions at high arousal, the somatosensory cortex (which processes genital touch and friction) now begins associating that same high arousal with:

·       Sustained attention (via prefrontal + parietal circuits)

·       Pleasure without outcome (the brain “forgets” that it normally triggers orgasm from high pleasure).

§  Instead of spiking dopamine in the nucleus accumbens (your reward center) and then crashing after ejaculation, your brain starts stabilizing dopamine via mesocortical pathways, maintaining high arousal/sexual pleasure as the reward in itself. This leads to a tonic arousal state: sexual pleasure without needing a “finale”.

§  “Why does this happen instead of burnout or desensitization?” Because you’re not suppressing arousal, you’re sustaining it – you’re training the system to upregulate tolerance to high pleasure without associating it with release. Plus, neural circuits responsible for anticipatory reward (ventral striatum) adapt by prolonging the dopamine window rather than peaking it.

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How You Will Eventually Achieve “Cruise Control” Arousal

Cruise control arousal is the ultimate goal of the Definitive Guide. Achieving this level of control is possible but cannot be rushed. Cruise control arousal is when your body climbs in sexual pleasure and arousal until it reaches a high point (just a tiny smidge under the point of no return), then your body maintains that level of pleasure so long as stimulation is maintained. It doesn’t do anything about it, you’re just basking in it. This is how you achieve the ability to thrust into your partner with reckless abandon, completely drunk off the sexual pleasure without a care in the world. You achieve this state by continuing to optimize the Cliffhanger Training (faster thrusting during training, less pauses, etc). Once you reach this level, the following happens:

1.      You form new circuits that interpret vaginal/anal friction, tightness, and dominance not as threat-level overload but as deeply pleasurable sustained feedback.

2.      Your brain begins feeding positive reinforcement into this loop without closure, making it cyclic in nature (no orgasm = no biochemical crash = keep enjoying the sexual pleasure without burnout)

3.      This loop involves:

a.      Insular Cortex – integrates body awareness and sustained pleasure

b.      Prefrontal Cortex – modulates impulse control

c.       Cingulate Cortex – maintains attention and emotional regulation during arousal

d.      Periaqueductal Gray – Downregulates motor reflex urgency

e.      Dorsal Raphe Nucleus – Balances serotonin, keeping the sexual edge without suppressing it

In other words, you enter a sexual “flow state”, where everything aligns and you feel like you can simply have sex without end. This is how you ensure that you last long enough for your sexual partner, because once you reach this level, “sexual stamina” as you know it becomes totally and utterly redundant: you stop when you want to, not when you need to.

Once this new nervous system circuitry is the dominant pathway, the “old” reflexive orgasm circuit becomes dormant (but still accessible). This is how you gain the ability to mentally “choose” when to orgasm by letting it activate.

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Why Using Numbing Cream During Edging Sessions Is Counterproductive

Using lidocaine or benzocaine-based delay creams removes afferent feedback, which is precisely what you need to train.

Here’s why:

1. Inhibits sensory-motor integration: You can’t train body-to-brain reflex suppression when the brain isn’t receiving proper stimulation data.

2. Prevents peripheral nerve conditioning: The dorsal penile nerves and pudendal nerves do not adapt when sensation is blocked. No exposure = no neuroplasticity.

3. False confidence: You’ll mistakenly believe you’re improving when in reality you’re just dulling the trigger—not fixing the reflex.

In short: Numbing creams bypass the nervous system adaptation process. They delay the inevitable instead of transforming it.

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Why It’s Required That You DON’T Watch Porn

The brain’s arousal system must shift from external spike-rewarding (dopamine hit from erotic visuals) to internal regulatory arousal (self-generated, sustainable).

The damage of porn use during training:

• Hijacks the mesolimbic reward system (nucleus accumbens, VTA, OFC) and conditions arousal to be passive and reactive.

• Suppresses imagination-driven arousal centers like the default mode network (DMN)—you become reliant on watching, not feeling. (Remember this from the file?)

You want arousal to be self-generated, which builds:

• Internal arousal architecture—imagery, fantasy, embodied focus, body feedback.

• Strengthens neural control of arousal rather than surrendering it to novel cues.

• Train the Prefrontal Cortex to manage and ride arousal through your own conscious mental input, which is necessary during penetration with a real partner.

True arousal control comes from arousal sovereignty, not dependence.

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Why SSRI’s Are a Band-Aid Treatment That Border on Counterproductive

(Before I explain, I will preface this information by saying that if you are prescribed SSRIs by a doctor, keep taking them. I am not telling you to not take them – I am not a doctor. All I’m doing here is giving you the information on how it impacts your edging training/nervous system adaptation.)

SSRIs (e.g., paroxetine, sertraline, etc.) delay ejaculation by increasing synaptic serotonin, but they do not fix the underlying reflex misfire. Here's why SSRIs undermine nervous system training:

1.      Suppress Feedback Loops

o   SSRIs blunt sexual sensation, delaying orgasm by numbing response—but this inhibits the conditioning feedback your nervous system needs to learn delay naturally.

2.      Block Dopaminergic Engagement

o   SSRIs suppress dopamine activity, impairing arousal, libido, erection quality, and training-induced motivation/reward learning.

3.      Artificial Compensation

o   Instead of enhancing descending inhibition (from cortex to spinal ejaculation center) through training, SSRIs just raise the threshold chemically.

o   Once stopped, your nervous system reverts to its prior sensitivity—or worse, experiences rebound PE due to serotonin withdrawal.

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Why Are There So Many Side Effects to This Training?

Most men will experience some (or all) of the following at some point in the training (this list is not exhaustive):

·       Erratic or weak erection strength/stability (especially without stimulus like porn, erotic audio, etc)

·       Numb response to pleasure (pleasure feels flat)

·       Unstable arousal (horny one day, but uninterested the next)

·       Inability to stay excited/engaged in the session (i.e – session feels like a chore)

·       Mental Imagery either being foggy OR intensely arousing, oftentimes flinging you to the point of no return within seconds

·       Tight pelvic floor or “blue balls”

All of these issues are NORMAL AND WILL EVENTUALLY GO AWAY. No, I cannot give you a timeline of when. These are byproducts of a transitional neurological phase, not a failure on your part. You’re not doing anything “wrong”. This is what’s happening:

1.      Neurotransmitter Reset

o   Your dopamine pathways are recalibrating from "chase novelty" to "sustain internally."

o   During the recalibration, dopamine sensitivity drops, resulting in weaker erections and "meh" feelings.

2.      Erotic Tolerance Drop

o   Your brain’s libido circuits (PFC + MPOA) are detoxing from visual overstimulation (e.g., porn, fantasy spikes).

o   This creates a temporary hypoactive sexual state as your system adjusts.

3.      Over-sensitized Imagery Circuits

o   Early mental imagery causes arousal spikes because the limbic system (amygdala, hippocampus) is still tightly linked to orgasm reflex loops.

o   You haven’t yet developed the "arousal containment" circuitry in your anterior cingulate cortex and orbitofrontal cortex.

4.      Pelvic Floor Neuromuscular Dysfunction

o   Weak, overclenched, or poorly conditioned pelvic floor muscles cause unstable erection firmness and stamina.

o   Training sessions feel like “a chore” because they are fighting against maladaptive basal tone rather than flowing with neuromuscular harmony.

5.      Blue Balls or Tight Pelvic Floor

o   Due to the increased blood flow combined with no release (ejaculation), blood gets congested in the pelvic floor and testicles, causing the blue balls sensation.

o   Involuntary clenching, especially when trying to back off from the point of no return, can cause excessive tightness in the muscles. The pelvic floor can technically be “broken down” into 4 sections:

1.      Superficial Perineal Muscles

1.      Bulbospongiosus

2.      Ischiocavernosus

3.      Superficial transverse perineal muscle

2.      Deep Perineal Muscles (part of the urogenital diaphragm)

1.      Deep transverse perineal muscle

2.      External urethral sphincter (sphincter urethrae)

3.      Pelvic Diaphragm Muscles

1.      Pubococcygeus (part of levator ani)

2.      Puborectalis (part of levator ani)

3.      Iliococcygeus (part of levator ani)

4.      Coccygeus (ischiococcygeus)

4.      Additional Sphincters and Associated Muscles:

1.      External anal sphincter

2.      Internal anal sphincter (is smooth muscle and not under voluntary control)

o   All of these muscles may be influenced during your training. I will not give recommendations on whether or not to perform Kegels or Reverse Kegels. As I specified in the Definitive Guide, I am not a pelvic floor therapist and have no means to perform any assessment on you – that’s what they are for. The most I can do if you feel your pelvic floor is getting too tight is recommend you look for “pelvic floor relaxation videos” that are abundant and free on YouTube, many of which are effective without even discussing the implementation of Kegels vs Reverse Kegels.

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 I hope that you found this informing. Between the Definitive Guide, the FAQs and this breakdown, you have everything you need. The Definitive Guide is not fluff. It is not B.S. Everything is related to neuroscience and neurophysiology. It will be difficult. Many of you are trying to undo YEARS of habit and/or biochemical imbalance (serotonin vs. dopamine ratio). It’s not going to magically go away 3 weeks in or 6 weeks into the program.

If you start the program and think to yourself “Oh man…. this is hard…I keep cumming when I don’t want to…. I can’t do this”, well then, I guess you don’t want to solve the issue THAT bad then, huh?

Training to fix your premature ejaculation is hard. Living with premature ejaculation is hard.

Only one of them will change you for the better. Choose your hard.

Best of luck, Cheers

u/HealthGeek1870

I started this journey in November 2025. Before that, I was struggling badly with stamina. I’d feel like I was going to finish almost immediately upon entry, usually lasting around 20–30 seconds. Round two might stretch to about 2 minutes. I could make up for some of it with oral, but I really wanted to improve my performance during penetration.

Getting laid off actually gave me the time to focus on this, which is what pushed me to take it seriously.

My first training session, I could only handle about 7 minutes. There were definitely moments where I doubted if any of this would actually work.

In December, I found the Angion method. After about 3 weeks, my refractory period improved a lot and my erections were stronger, which was great, but my stamina still wasn’t where I wanted it to be so I took a break from the Angion method.

But the Angion was very helpful and I will talk about that later.

Honestly, I didn’t fully commit mentally until after New Year’s Day. From then until Valentine’s Day, I stopped having penetration sex completely. My wife was surprised, but I told her it would be worth it. I still took care of her during that time, just no penetration.

Valentine’s Day came, I still finished early, and I had trouble getting an erection. That was frustrating, but I kept going with the training anyway. I added in AM2 4-5 minutes a day to supplement the MDG training and gave me a confidence since it strengthen my erection.

Then things finally started to change in the end of March. For the first time, I didn’t feel that immediate urge to finish as soon as I entered. That alone gave me a big confidence boost. We had to take another break for about two weeks because of mother nature, but I stayed consistent.

At the end of April, on my birthday, everything came together.I started on top, and for the first time, I felt fully in control. No rush, no panic. Then I had her get on top. Usually that position would push me over the edge quickly, but this time I stayed composed. It felt like she rode me longer than ever before.

Then something new happened. She finished while I was still inside her, which had never happened before. Right after, she asked me if I had finished yet. I hadn’t. I kept going for a bit, then finished shortly after. Honestly, I felt like I could have kept going, but I was just happy to share that moment with her.

What stood out just as much was her reaction. She usually doesn’t comment much on my performance, but this time was different. The way she felt asleep right after, and the next day, she told me the orgasm felt powerful and that she didn’t even want to get out of bed.

That meant everything to me.

Just wanted to say thanks to this community. I can confidently say I’ve completed Phase 8. It took longer than I expected, but it was 100% worth it.

Hey everyone! I've got the long awaited definitions ready for everyone!

NOTE: These definitions are supplemental, they SUPPORT, not REPLACE the guide. Find the guide here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MaleDefinitiveGuide/s/ZfCuMxdkl3

-Update- I got a a few more definitions that I'll incorporate into this post soon, just want to clean the formatting and placement up a little first. In the meantime, click here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MaleDefinitiveGuide/s/cuWt0aTyEO -End Update-

These definitions were a team effort between the Mods, and Healthgeek himself. The Mods took a first pass, and Healthgeek reviewed, clarified, and approved these. This was quite a good learning process for me, it really clarified a LOT, and I'm happy we undertook this effort. I hope it's helpful for everyone, especially those struggling.

Eventually I'd like to incorporate this into the Wiki, but for now, I'm going to put it in this Post and will plan to update it as we get more information (such as I want to add Diaphragmatic Breathing, but have not got Healthgeek's buy in just yet).

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Male Definitive Guide – Definitions (Created by MDG Mods, Reviewed by HealthGeek1870)

These are working definitions to help standardize how members describe and understand the terms used throughout the Male Definitive Guide (MDG). The MDG is the authoritative source of instruction; these definitions hopefully will clarify some of the terms, phrases, concepts, and techniques used in the guide.

Note: These definitions are not in alphabetical order, they are structures in a Phase related order, however do not neglect reading and understanding all of the definitions, regardless of your phase.

Arousal

Arousal is the physiological response that occurs from emotional anticipation, physical stimulation, or mental imagination connected to sexual pleasure. In males, arousal steadily climbs towards eventual ejaculatory orgasm, the physiological end result of arousal crossing a neurological threshold, more colloquially known at the “Point of No Return”.

In the context of the MDG training, you can build arousal by physical actions (e.g., stroking yourself), or by imagining sex with your partner (mental imagery).

Note: There is a difference between your arousal within training vs with a partner. Solo training is a sterile environment devoid of key aspects to mutual intimacy — such as smell, eye contact, hormones, and even certain sounds. That is why you can never fully replicate that scenario while solo. However, with the objectives of this training, you will become comfortable in a highly aroused state. It’s the feeling of being in control despite the urge to ejaculate that will potently change your sexual response.

Mental Imagery (MI)

Imagine sex with your partner or a fantasy partner. You can imagine foreplay, clean embrace, or typical sex. The objective is to imagine a realistic but stimulating sexual experience that you would (more likely than not) participate in.

Adjust the intensity of MI as part of arousal. Do not watch porn or listen to erotic audio — that is not mental imagery. See also “Why no Porn or External Mental Stimulus?”

CAUTION: Imagining hardcore or novel sexual experiences conditions you to experience heightened salience towards those experiences, even in the absence of this kind of training. In other words - imagining passionate sex with your partner with emphasis on bonding, their moans, and mutual enjoyment = good.

Imagining a porn star/unnamed woman squirting violently, using odd sex toys in aggressive ways with mental focus on genital movement or exaggerated sound effects/facial expressions = bad. 

Additionally, remembering or replaying your favorite porn videos in your mind is not acceptable here.

PONR (Point of No Return)

As your arousal builds, once it reaches a certain level and passes that point, there is nothing you can do to prevent ejaculation.

Peak

A peak is the maximum amount of arousal and/or stimulation you can safely endure before reaching the PONR. 

The peak is not so far that you have to fight back involuntary contractions or leaks, but it is right up against that point. 

The goal of p1-3 is to identify where this point is for you and to learn too safely back away from it.

Orgasm (also Leak)

If arousal goes past the PONR, you will experience an orgasm. An orgasm involves involuntary and rhythmic contractions and ejaculation of semen. The contractions do not stop until most or all semen is ejaculated. After orgasm, 99% of men will experience a refractory period where arousal cannot be increased and/or an erection cannot be built or maintained.

If any of those conditions are not true, then it was not a true orgasm — it was likely a leak (the small expulsion of pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum)). If you can maintain an erection AND still experience sexual pleasure via physical stimulation despite a leak, you are free to continue the training session. 

If an orgasm occurred during any one of seven days of the training week, repeat the most recent phase.

Example:
 You train Monday through Friday on phase 3, you have sex with your wife and orgasm on Sunday → repeat phase 3 on Monday.
  Or you started training on phase 2 on Monday but orgasmed that day in training → continue training until Friday, take your rest days, then repeat phase 2 the following week.
  Abstaining from training for a week after a failure is optional but not required. 

Remember, this guide is not a race, taking it slow is better than rushing through and not succeeding.

A special note on experiencing multiple orgasms during the course of training: There is no set limit on the number of orgasms (either intentional or unintentional) which you can experience during the training phases, however if multiple orgasms continually occur (such as once every two weeks), the amount of progress that can be expected would be difficult to ascertain. The best course of action is to not orgasm as it has been explicitly spelled out in the guide.

 Why No Porn or External Mental Stimulus?

The concept of the no-porn rule is to prevent arousal from being driven from the outside. The goal of the training is to put you in control of your own arousal. Porn also provides a HYPERsexual stimulus that results in excessive novelty to the viewer, hijacking the male sexual response in a negative manner. 

While in training per the guide, a man is in complete control of his own arousal and pleasure. However, when the same man has sex prior to mastering the process, the man is no longer in complete control (for a man with PE he might lose most of his control, but he still is a participant and thus does have a measure of oversight. But why the difference?)

This is because during training, even if the man is feeling high pleasure with maximum stimulation, he is still able to control his arousal by changing how he stimulates (physically or mentally). However, when another person is involved then the man is not fully in control of the stimulus. Your sexual partner will not have the same capability to stop, shift, or alter stimulation on a dime like you can by yourself. Eventually when having sex, the entire goal is for the man to be in complete control of his own arousal and prevent panic, even when there is another person involved. After successful completion of this program the man will be in control of his arousal build (and panic response). The dropping of porn and external sources of arousal is specifically to make sure you achieve this level of self-control. External modifiers are going to hamper or sabotage your progress.

 The MDG as relates to Pleasure (an analogy)

 In thinking about this training, and the goals we are trying to achieve, we can use an analogy of a “pleasure cup.” 

 Imagine we all have a "pleasure cup" with a hole in the bottom that drains to a safe location. For guys with PE, imagine the cup is cracked. How big that hole in the bottom is determines how fast we can fill up the cup with pleasure before it overflows. For PE, how deep the crack is determines how quickly on the arousal scale we might jump to panic mode. If we fill the cup too far, it spills out and causes a panic response "oh crap, the cup is overflowing, let's get rid of this!" Everyone will eventually panic if they overfill their cup regardless of if they have PE or not, it’s just a lot easier to spill for the guys with PE.

 But if we only fill the cup up as fast as the drain permits, it feels great and we relax, and we are content that the cup is as full as it can get. The only way to put more arousal/pleasure into the cup is either make the drain bigger (so we reduce panic quicker) or patch up that crack (for guys with PE).

 As you fill the cup to the maximum pleasure it can tolerate, and keep feeding pleasure into the cup at a rate equal to its drain (i.e. drip feeding), the drain at the bottom of the cup starts to erode and get bigger, and the crack in the cup starts to repair.

 For guys with PE and a cracked cup, when you start and every subsequent time you ejaculate, you re-crack the cup and the point of a spill happens much earlier again. You will not be able to tolerate as much pleasure until you patch up that crack via reinforcing that pleasure is what we are after, not ejaculation.

 Putting the analogy into the real world, you can only stroke up to a pleasure saturation limit before there is too much pleasure and you feel panic. But if you stroke just slow enough (or less stimulating) to keep that pleasure "cup" full and maybe even with a slight overfill meniscus (not yet spilling, e.g. your peak), you will be ok and things feel phenomenal after your body relaxes and starts to enjoy the sensations. While drip feeding, you want to find an action that is arousing at a rate similar to your natural “drain rate” in order to keep yourself in the highly aroused state without tipping over the PONR or into panic.

 Goal of MDG

 The goal is not to desensitize yourself or to gain more stamina/lasting longer. Although this may seem counter intuitive, this way of thinking implies that you are only training to delay the inevitable orgasm. True mastery means to make the inevitable into optional, or to separate panic (leading to an inevitable orgasm) from high pleasure. Once this is achieved, "lasting longer" is just a consequence of mastery. You can keep yourself from panic and thus maintain control in a calm pleasure state. Time becomes irrelevant. YOU control the clock now.

Session Breakout

First ten minutes – Slowly stimulate yourself and try not to hit PONR. If you hit PONR, it's ok, but try to adjust next time based on this feedback.

The objective of the ‘warm up’ meaning the first 10 mins of your session, is to gradually and as linearly as possible move up your arousal scale reaching your Peak at the 10 minute mark. Every session, no exceptions.

Second ten minutes – Do the objective of the phase you are in.

Peak Valley

A manual controlled training process. Done during phases 1–3. When your second ten minutes start, increase your arousal via stimulation with your hand (and mental imagery from P3) until you feel like you reach your Peak (right before PONR). Stop at that point and rest per the instructions.

Do not worry about fine-tuning, just get there and stop. If you are in phase 3, include mental imagery to increase arousal.

Try to spend this time learning your arousal scale, pay attention to how you move up it, try to make it linear and gradual, notice if you find yourself jumping from halfway up your scale to the peak without any warning, and try to make that a more controlled ascent. 

Important: Be sure to incorporate the diaphragmatic breathing from phase 2 onward, ensuring that you are “mentally checking in” with your Pelvic Floor to make sure you aren’t clenching it. This is a key facet to control that can not be emphasized enough. 

This is not to say perform a reverse Kegel or similar if you notice you are panicking, but instead that awareness and relaxation (staying in the parasympathetic state) are very important.

Pelvic Floor

This muscle/ group of muscles is directly involved in the ejaculation response. See also Peak Valley for the importance of monitoring the pelvic floor.

Note: If you have trouble identifying the pelvic floor, take some time to feel the space between the anus, just behind the scrotum. Pretend like you are trying to stop your pee in mid-stream (or better yet, actually try to stop your pee mid stream…). That is the muscle we are trying to keep relaxed. 

Diaphragmatic Breathing (aka deep breathing) - what is it?

Diaphragmatic breathing is not just “deep breathing.” It’s a specific physiological technique that activates your parasympathetic nervous system (the body’s “calm-down” system) and directly relaxes the pelvic floor.

It’s breathing in a way that: Expands your belly, not your chest. Uses the diaphragm (the big dome-shaped muscle under your ribs). Triggers vagal activation, slowing your heart rate and reducing tension. Automatically relaxes your pelvic floor, lower abdomen, and nervous system.

Diaphragmatic breathing is first introduced in phase 1 as a tool to reduce arousal by placing your body back into the parasympathetic state when you stop after hitting your peak. In phase 2, this breath work then becomes part of the entire session practice with the goal of encouraging your body to stay in the parasympathetic state instead of the sympathetic state (Fight or Flight). 

This breathing mode is an imperative part of keeping/ returning yourself in/ to the parasympathetic state while training (and should be incorporated during intercourse while still undergoing this training regime in order to help reduce panic and avoid the PONR).

Once Surfing has been achieved and mastered, diaphragmatic breathing becomes a built-in default without intentional/conscious oversight. The action taken of manually training with diaphragmatic breathing during Peak Valley and Cliffhanger is to show the nervous system that it is safe to relax at high Arousal, and thus the nervous system will rewire itself to achieve this state without the use of conscious diaphragmatic breath work.

Diaphragmatic breathing during sexual stimulation: Lowers sympathetic drive (panic is reduced). Relaxes pelvic floor (less involuntary clenching). Slows the arousal spike curve. Builds tolerance to pleasure. Allows pleasure to rise, delaying the “ejaculation reflex.” Stabilizes your arousal when stimulation increases unexpectedly

In short diaphragmatic breathing is one of the core physiological techniques that allows your body to choose pleasure instead of panic. If you master just this skill, your sexual control improves dramatically, even without edging practice.

Diaphragmatic Breathing - How To

The following method can and should be used to perform Diaphragmatic breathing until it becomes second nature. Note that the sensations will be different depending if you are on laying flat on your back, standing up, or in a different sexual position. It would be worthwhile to practice these breathing techniques outside of the MDG Phases in the various positions.

1. Put one hand on your chest, one on your belly.

This helps you feel whether your diaphragm (not your chest) is driving the breath.

2. Inhale through your nose for ~4 seconds.

You should feel: Your belly expand outward. The hand on your chest move very little. Your lower ribs flare outward slightly. Your pelvic floor gently drop downward (a soft “letting go”)

3. Exhale slowly through your mouth for ~6 seconds (imagine fogging up a mirror with your breath).

You should feel: Your belly fall naturally. Your pelvic floor recoil upward slightly (not a squeeze/ clench, just an elastic return). A subtle “settling” or calming sensation across the torso.

(Note: While standing up or in an upright position, you might need to pull your stomach inwards on an inhale in order to achieve a full breath).

4. Keep breathing like this. Slow inhale → slower exhale.

Once the rhythm feels natural, begin monitoring for tension creeping in anywhere (jaw, chest, stomach, hips, glutes, pelvic floor).

Your only goal is to notice tension and soften it on the exhale, not to force relaxation during the inhale. The exhale is where unwanted tension is most likely to appear, so your relaxation efforts should prioritize the exhale, not trying to keep both phases equally relaxed.

Cliffhanger

A manual controlled training process. Done during phases 4–7. When your second ten minutes begin, increase arousal as in Peak Valley. However, when you begin to get close to the PONR slow down the speed of your arousal buildup. This can include slowing down your stroke, touching fewer areas, doing light brushes, tickling yourself, licking your lips, or tuning down mental imagery.

As you get even closer to PONR, slow down the buildup even more and try to keep just under PONR (about to ejaculate).

Keep going this direction until you either feel arousal starting to go downward, or stop if you feel like you are going to cum no matter what you do. Repeat this until your time is done, and try to stay within the appropriate arousal levels.

See also Cliffhanging Method

NOTE: The sweet spot in cliffhanger training is an arousal level is between 8-8.9. Between 8-8.9 is the area where you feel incredibly turned on and the urge to ejaculate is very strong, but still controllable. You should be able to modulate the arousal up and down without feeling like a slight breeze coming from the door is going to cause you to ejaculate. If you are too close to the edge like that, most men will start to internalize the panic, which teaches the wrong response. If you are too low however, your nervous system is not exposed to the heightened state it needs to be in order to establish change. You should feel a strong urge, but still in control. It’s the feeling of being in control despite that urge that is what potently changes your sexual response. I.e. - being comfortable with being in the storm. 

Cliffhanging Method

(This is one method, it is not the only method, however it will work if done consistently via the training regimen.)

In the second 10 minutes of Cliffhanger training, seek out the point just before your pelvic floor involuntarily tenses up/ flexes. Try to stimulate just enough to ride right before the flexing happens (via adjusting arousal, e.g., stimulation and mental imagery).

Pleasure should feel pretty good (though it might not occur till phase 5), but if you go a little too far you will flex, pleasure will spike and you will feel the urge to ejaculate is imminent. This is the panic response, at which point you should back off — either via slowing down, stopping, or letting go (depending on your phase) — or else if you continue in this way you will go over the PONR.

Lower your arousal and then increase it again such that you are back to the point of just almost involuntarily flexing and try to ride that zone again. Pleasure might feel muted for a few seconds if you spiked, but it will return. It is key to be relaxed both mentally and physically during this stage.

As you progress in the phases, eventually you will begin to anticipate when a flex will happen and be able to reduce your stimulation to maintain your arousal, and conversely you will anticipate when you can get away with more stimulation and thus increase arousal accordingly. Pleasure will ebb and flow while you do that.

With time and consistency, this method TEACHES your body to surf. 

IMPORTANT: The urge to ejaculate including the squeezing of the pelvic floor, hitched breathing and tensing of the body, are all by-products of the sympathetic nervous system engaging. By breathing slowly and deeply, learning to relax DESPITE that urge, and relaxing the pelvic floor while still in that highly aroused state are all tools that involve the parasympathetic nervous system. When combined, that is how the body learns that relaxation = safety = more pleasure = no need to ejaculate. If you are hovering near the PONR feeling anxiety, tension, worry, or stress, you are ingraining those emotions (and responses) as the default — defeating the entire point of the training. 

Some explanations by other users https://www.reddit.com/r/MaleDefinitiveGuide/s/IYPFAxPfwp

Drip Feeding

This is the action of keeping yourself between an Arousal level 8-8.9 you take during Cliffhanging.

Surfing 

An automatic process that evolves from the Cliffhanger training process. After enough exposure, your nervous system during sexual stimulation will start to show signs of auto-modulating itself without intentional/conscious restraint (cortical influence). Eventually, because your nervous system has learned that high arousal doesn’t automatically equal ejaculation, it will start to “sit” in the high pleasure without you consciously controlling your breath, checking in with your pelvic floor, etc. in order to keep it from blowing over. Your sexual response will result in arousal growing and then sustaining itself as opposed to simply continuing to grow. This is what is known as surfing and makes the difference between ejaculatory orgasm being an option versus an inevitability. There is no set phase at which this occurs, but more often than not, signs will start showing up within the late phases (7 and 8).

Note: Men may only be able to surf for a few seconds in the beginning when they DO show signs — this is a sign of the nervous system clashing between the old neural pathway and the new one being learned. They’ll usually “fall out” of it because they get excited that they’re actually doing it, but that excitement is still a sympathetic-leaning response, which is why they may only be able to do it for a few seconds.

Cruise Control

This is part of Surfing.

Falling Into Pleasure 

Falling into pleasure can occur once the new neural pathway has been solidified and ingrained as the default (via consistent surfing). Because the body auto-modulates and no longer requires conscious restraint, your mental focus is allowed to enjoy the sexual experience itself without babysitting it. You can now fully “let go” because you are no longer exerting cortical oversight to restrain your sexual pleasure to begin with. 

That's it, guys. Finally another succes story. I'm happy as fuck!

The post is long, so read it carefully. And PLEASE read it all before asking anything. I tried to cover everything I remembered or judged important.

You can do it too!

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Hey guys! Over the past few weeks I’ve seen a lot of questions about how to properly perform Phase 1-5 so I wanted to provide a little guidance for anyone who is in those phases.

Phases 1-3 Instructions

Use whatever stimulation is necessary to bring yourself to your first PONR at the 10 minute mark, not before. This will be different for every guy. For some guys who are extremely sensitive at this point, this might just be holding your shaft, or lightly touching your glans (the head). For other guys, this could be slow stroking, for still others, this might require slightly more aggressive stroking. The point is, tailor your stimulation to where you are at today. You do not need to try to match the pace or intensity of intercourse at this point! In fact, please don’t! This will almost certainly cause orgasm and cause you to need to repeat the phase.

We do this because you want your brain to learn that pleasure comes in nice and gentle. If it comes in like a freight train, your brain will trigger familiar neural pathways and try to orgasm. We want to retrain that reflex.

So to break it down explicitly it looks like this

• Clock starts

• 10 minutes stimulation (Peak 1)

• 60 seconds rest

• 60 seconds stimulation (Peak 2)

• 60 seconds rest

• 60 seconds stimulation (Peak 3)

• 60 seconds rest

• 60 seconds stimulation (Peak 4)

• 60 seconds rest

• 60 seconds stimulation (Peak 5)

• 60 seconds rest

• 60 seconds stimulation (Peak 6)

• End of session

This is simply a guideline. Your total number of peaks and the times you reach them might differ from this, but as long as your first peak is at the 10 minute mark you should be in great shape.

Phases 4 & 5 Instructions

For phase 4 and 5, again, tailor your stimulation to what your body can handle. If you are still very sensitive at this point, some light touching of the glans or the frenulum might be all that you need. If you can handle more simulation, apply more stimulation. The point is to keep teaching your brain that arousal ≠ orgasm.

To break these phases down explicitly, it looks like this:

• 10 minutes of slow stimulation so you reach your 8.5 at 10 minutes, not sooner

• Apply as much stimulation as you need to keep yourself at around an 8.5 for the remaining 10 minutes.

If you’re in Phase 4 you can take a break by removing your hand if you reach PONR. If you’re in Phase 5 and you reach a PONR, your break means your hand stays on your member.

If you follow these guidelines, you will have a better chance of success in these early phases!

Quick update :

Hey guys , I'm super sorry for the delayed response but I've been super busy ! ... (I'm still going to respond to the comments in my other post)

Here to let you guys know once again , that this program completely cured my PE ... me and my girl have been competing in several "Fuck-a-thon's" 😂😂😂

I can last as long as I want ...BUT ! I want to warn that sometime when you delay for too long , you could go numb , and start losing feeling , and on a bad day that cud lead to going soft ...

This is my experience.... from being a lifelonger to being able to have sex with no worries and actually enjoy it

And to add the cherry on top , I wanna let you guys know , I just found out my girl is Pregnant! ...

From P.E. To becoming a first time Dad !

• love you guys

I had sex last night with my wife, for the first time in year's I felt in control again.

I’ve been following the guide the last 9 weeks or so. I’m at phase 7 now. Had failures along the way, was seeing progress in the training but was still nervous about sex as once in phase five I came rather quickly by accident with my wife. We took a break from sex for three weeks and focused on just making out without taking off our clothes to help bring passion back to our intimate times together. This definitely helped me reframe intimacy as something fun and low pressure.

Last night we started to make out heavily and the clothes came off. I was a new man. Sex was so passionate, in the moment, no stress, no anxiety. I had full control to move into different positions, was able to pound hard, deep, slow, whatever we felt like. What blew me away was when she was on top doing her crazy thing with her hips in cowgirl despite how insanely pleasurable and visually exciting it was it felt like I could go all day long. Most importantly it put me back in charge and helped me feel masculine and powerful.

All I had to do was breathe deeply, be in the moment, relax. There is a way to be relaxed and sexually dominant if that makes sense.

It was everything I’d been hoping for when I started the guide. If I only get this much control it’s enough but I know I’m only at the start of a journey to decouple my ejaculatory response. The transition from FL to sex was great as the excessive stimulation from the FL makes the real thing much less challenging. If I can completely master the FL with no failures for weeks I know I will be a king in the bedroom.

I will make a full post about where I was and the steps it took to get here (I’ve got some other tips and tricks) once I’ve achieved total mastery but I just wanted to post for some positivity. In the meantime I’m logging off this subreddit and will keep maintaining with the guide. If you are starting or in the middle of the guide.. be patient with it, you may not see great results with sex until the 8 week mark. But it does really work once the training clicks.

Thank you to health geek and the community here. God bless you all.