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PGL Major Kraków 2017 Main Qualifier
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PGL | SL TV | IzakOOO | 99Damage | O'G TV | Spíler TV
Timezones
| PDT | EDT | BRT | BST | CEST | CST | AEST |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles | Atlanta | São Paulo | London | Cologne | Beijing | Canberra |
| UTC-7 | UTC-4 | UTC-3 | UTC+1 | UTC+2 | UTC+8 | UTC+10 |
Schedule
| ID | Team 1 | vs | Team 2 | Result | PDT | EDT | BRT | BST | CEST | CST | AEST |
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| B1 | TL | vs | PENTA | 3-16 | 00:05 | 03:05 | 04:05 | 08:05 | 09:05 | 15:05 | 17:05 |
| B2 | Vega | vs | OG | 16-10 | 01:20 | 04:20 | 05:20 | 09:20 | 10:20 | 16:20 | 18:20 |
| B3 | TyL | vs | RNG | 16-14 | 03:00 | 06:00 | 07:00 | 11:00 | 12:00 | 18:00 | 20:00 |
| B4 | Tengri | vs | BIG | 14-16 | 04:30 | 07:30 | 08:30 | 12:30 | 13:30 | 19:30 | 21:30 |
| B5 | Dig | vs | IMT | 13-16 | 06:30 | 09:30 | 10:30 | 14:30 | 15:30 | 21:30 | 23:30 |
| B6 | HR | vs | F3 | 4-16 | 08:00 | 11:00 | 12:00 | 16:00 | 17:00 | 23:00 | 01:00 |
| B7 | G2 | vs | C9 | 16-11 | 09:10 | 12:10 | 13:10 | 17:10 | 18:10 | 00:10 | 02:10 |
| B8 | GOD | vs | mouz | 11-16 | 10:50 | 13:50 | 14:50 | 18:50 | 19:50 | 01:50 | 03:50 |
Standings
| Place | Team Name | W&L | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 |
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| 1. | PENTA Sports | 2-0 | 16-14 | 16-3 | |||
| 1. | FlipSid3 Tactics | 2-0 | 19-16 | 16-4 | |||
| 1. | G2 Esports | 2-0 | 22-20 | 16-11 | |||
| 1. | mousesports | 2-0 | 16-1 | 16-11 | |||
| 5. | Team Liquid | 1-1 | 22-19 | 3-16 | |||
| 5. | Vega Squadron | 1-1 | 10-16 | 16-10 | |||
| 5. | TyLoo | 1-1 | 19-22 | 16-14 | |||
| 5. | BIG | 1-1 | 10-16 | 16-14 | |||
| Immortals | 1-1 | 20-22 | 16-13 | ||||
| HellRaisers | 1-1 | 16-10 | 4-16 | ||||
| Cloud9 | 1-1 | 16-10 | 11-16 | ||||
| GODSENT | 1-1 | 16-14 | 11-16 | ||||
| OpTic Gaming | 0-2 | 14-16 | 10-16 | ||||
| Renegades | 0-2 | 16-19 | 14-16 | ||||
| Tengri | 0-2 | 1-16 | 14-16 | ||||
| Team Dignitas | 0-2 | 14-16 | 13-16 |
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
How can Liquid get rekt so hard? Do they have holiday plans that collide with the date of the major?
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u/Baconmoontwist Jun 30 '17
Let's goooooo
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u/caiotmz FURIA Jun 30 '17
flipsid3 taking "Saving strats for the major" to a whole new level
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
"Saving strats for the major"
Saving strats for the major qualifier, FTFY
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Jun 30 '17
shroud will probably be dropped if c9 don't qualify, or Stewie will pursue a new team along with auti
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Jun 30 '17
LEGIJA trying his hardest for Tengri...
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
Is there any chance to replace him with literally anyone else? Maybe Spidii?
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u/MJuniorDC9 Jun 30 '17
Honestly, boltz is probably hungry because he's bbqing every dignitas player one by one.
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u/thekmanpwnudwn 500k Celebration Jun 30 '17
F3 is going to go 2-0 aren't they?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
No one really knows how Flipside manages to come out of nowhere and qualifies for every major, every damn time...
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
We all know how this will go down: Mouse will win and then be matched up against G2. Then Mouse proceeds to surprisingly crush G2, while G2 qualifies the game after. Wouldnt be the first time :P
Edit: Mouse losing the anti-force after winning the pistol round, business as usual...
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u/statmangg Jun 30 '17
I think Godsent may have the edge, actually, mostly bc they are playing Train
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
I also play Train, doesnt mean that me and 4 ruskies would beat any of those teams...
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Jun 30 '17
these casters are so good. will they be there for the major? (new to cs)
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u/Cheesewithmold 1 Million Celebration Jun 30 '17
That's Dan and DDK. And yes, they will be at the major.
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u/gamespace 5 years coin Jun 30 '17
Really weird how Liquid kept forcing CT aggression when it clearly wasn't working.
The only gun rounds they actually won were 4v5 and 5v5 retakes. Shoulda probably switched it up.
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u/Knovolt 1 Million Celebration Jun 30 '17
Please, don't let this be just teamStewie. I hope for C9 players to show up and get the comeback on.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
This is as much teamStewie as Big is teamTabsen. And Shroud is the equivalent to Legija in that comparison...
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Jun 30 '17
shroud is killing C9 not being able to play B
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 30 '17
dude, that's not even surprising by now... but what the hell is autimatic doing when he's on a the entire match?
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Jun 30 '17
How have they not yet learned they can't have shroud and n0thing playing the same site?
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 30 '17
n0thing didn't put a foot wrong this match, at least not that I've seen
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u/theMathMan420 G2 Jun 30 '17
How do you drop 5v2 and then right after that 5v3?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
They lost at least four 5v2/5v3 situations during one map. How the hell is that possible for a professional team?
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u/changgerz de_inferno Jun 30 '17
shroud finally getting frags when its already match point
c9 cache = gold nova level strats
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Jun 30 '17
Fun fact. NA tears are bad for your blood pressure. They might be tasty, but the high sodium content could lead to hypertension.
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u/Corinth177 Jun 30 '17
Ooooh Tyloo vs Renegades will be so juicy. That rivalry.
Triple overtime incoming.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jun 30 '17
calling it - ez vega
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
You were right. Well, I also placed my bet on Vega.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jun 30 '17
Unfortunately I am not a betting man, but I feel like currently just always betting on the underdog isn't a bad idea in cs games.
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u/zrk23 FURIA Jun 30 '17
how old is this HS? that 2k jumping through the mid smoke was absolutely sick lol
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 30 '17
Can anyone who watched Liquid - PENTA explain what the fuck happened, I would've never expected Liquid to lose with such a margin?
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u/360nohonk 1 Million Celebration Jun 30 '17
I think it was 4th? round which summed it up perfectly. HS runs down mid with a mac-10 and gets a 2k against m4 players. GGWP. They got obliterated.
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u/gamespace 5 years coin Jun 30 '17
Imo they threw a ton of CT rounds being overaggressive. So many cat and underpass pushes got punished early in the roun. The only rounds they won CT side were 2 retakes and a lucky-ish eco win.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jun 30 '17
Thanks! I've checked some key rounds now and you're absolutely right. EliGE died without a trade 4 times in gun rounds, mostly around mid, definitely a key factor.
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u/WchaUp Jun 30 '17
Great day so far for NA scene!
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Jun 30 '17
Didn't get up on time for Liquid. What the hell happened?
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u/WchaUp Jun 30 '17 edited Jun 30 '17
Twistzz was the only one who joined the server.
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u/Openf1rE Jun 30 '17
Love how DD (the guy closest to the wall divider between Tyloo and Renegades) had no sound cancelling headphones on for the first few rounds.
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u/sjj9000 Jun 30 '17
y are c9 games so late..
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
C9 is one of the more popular teams in the qualifier, like G2 and Mouse, hence they play later to allow more people to watch them play...
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u/Cronay de_cache Jun 30 '17
But that just is the case for european time zones. Keep in mind C9 is NA and for them this is like very early in the morning or very late in the night, depends how you see it
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u/ChamyChamy Jun 30 '17
Please chat be more active twitch.tv and hltv are blocked at work
Is there any copycat streams going on YouTube or another bootleg twitch?
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u/Lauen FaZe Jun 30 '17
What about thescoreesports?
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u/ChamyChamy Jun 30 '17
You can watch the live feed just like HLTV?
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u/Lauen FaZe Jun 30 '17
I wouldn't call it live but you get general overview over rounds won and player stats, it's just a bit slow to update at times.
EDIT: Also, if you grab the URL of the HLTV page, cram it into google translate, it can translate the whole page from english to whatever language, then set it to "show original page" and it acts as a quick and dirty proxy
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u/Jannekvinna Jun 30 '17
Legija 44 adr and 9 kills over 30 rounds.
Meanwhile, tabsen had 38 kills.
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u/domi1108 BIG Jun 30 '17
When someone gets nearly as many kills as another players adr you know something went wrong.
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u/MaNNuelMs4m CS2 HYPE Jun 30 '17
It's so frustrating to see Dig play...
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
I guess if they arent matched with Tengri, they will go out 0-3
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u/MaNNuelMs4m CS2 HYPE Jun 30 '17
Yeah, sadly...
They have decent/good players, they could do soooo much better. Their tactics are just to bad and they do so many mistakes. The pistol round was a win round and they fucked it up so hard...
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u/jzlz FURIA Jun 30 '17
IMT getting sloppy after the 13-2 lead
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u/MassiveRaptor Jun 30 '17
It is going to be such a boomer if they do not qualify :(
They play with hunger but I think they need to get their mind straight on the game and not just the winning moment.
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Jun 30 '17
I hope the major will also use the swiss format in the group stage. Really enjoyable to watch!
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u/changgerz de_inferno Jun 30 '17
shroud whiffed hard on that last round 1st half, could have had ez double, 2 guys full blind and only gets 1 barely... feels batman
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u/Andtheyrustledsoftly clutch Jun 30 '17
Shroud should just main deagle, more kills with it than rifles and smgs this match
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u/cahman Cloud9 Jun 30 '17
I don't understand the format of this tournament, how do teams get eliminated?
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u/Knovolt 1 Million Celebration Jun 30 '17
Here's a nice graphic for the swiss system.
Team get eliminated if they can't get 3 wins out of the 5 games that they play. Team automatically get qualified once they get 3 wins, and don't need to play the remainder of their games.
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u/Castro_RL Jun 30 '17
This is a Swiss tournament, which means that after the first round teams always face an opponent with the same standing. All teams that won the first round had a match against a winner of the same round; same for the losers. In order to qualify you have to win three games before you lose three, otherwise you are eliminated.
The next round matches because of this format (as of now) would be drawn from the following pools:
(2-0 teams/qualification matches) G2, F3, Penta and winner of Mous/Godsent
(1-1 so far) C9, Inmortals, Vega, TyLoo, BIG, HellRaisers, Liquid and the loser of Mous/Godsent
(0-2 so far/ elimination matches) Renegades, Dig, OpTic and Tengri.
Next round, the winners of pool 2 (1-1 record so far, so 2-1 record after that) will match against the losers of pool 1 (2-0 so far, so 2-1 record after that) and the other winners of pool 2 for another round of qualification matches. Losers of pool 2 will match against winners of pool 3. Winners of pool 1 are qualified, losers of pool 3 are eliminated. Repeat the process until all teams have won or lost 3 matches.
Edit: Also useful infography: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/a/ab/ESLOne_Cologne_Qualifier_Swiss_System.jpg
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u/AbsorbNA Jun 30 '17
Lose 3 games and you can only play teams with as many losses as you. So 2 of the 0-2 teams are going to get eliminated tomorrow
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Jun 30 '17
teams are eliminated if they lose 3 times; even penta, f3 and g2 can be eliminated at this point
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u/scuffy_wumpus NiP Jun 30 '17
LOLOL t1 NA is SHITE compared to t2 eu. wasted my time, shouldve just gone to sleep
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u/scuffy_wumpus NiP Jun 30 '17
and I love Paul but his voice is damn near unbearable. So decent i just wish he had a different voice
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u/FighterOfTehNightman Liquid Jun 30 '17
Damn man, Paul just gave you a shout out and you do him like that?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
This is the 5th time in 2 days that I lose a bet 14-16 or in OT...
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u/TheAsteroid Jun 30 '17
Where do you bet?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
Hltv betting. Fanobet annoyed me at one point after they closed CS:GO lounge...
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Jun 30 '17
A little too many talking heads this tournament.
If this keeps up, in two majors, the teams won't even play, the talking heads will simply theorycraft out a winner.
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u/Bearkr0 FaZe Jun 30 '17
Gosh stream starting at midnight pacific time? Why so early/late (just the time I'm going to bes)?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
Because the tournament goes all day, from morning to night here in Europe...
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u/thetruethatguy Liquid Jun 30 '17
Basically Shooting themselves in the foot at this point.
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u/thetruethatguy Liquid Jun 30 '17
Bringing fucking astralis to game 3 and then the week after gets fucked by T2 EU.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
I assume that has to do with preparation and respect. They know what to expect from Astralis and that Astralis is a better team, hence they prepare. But they probably thought Penta would be fairly easy and did not do as much. Other than that, it is hard to explain what is happening...
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
When he is talking about our fellow Russians not playing only with skill but also with tactics, and I remember that one Russian a few days back who thought that economy is not important because you can still win rounds with five-sevens and it's only about kills :D
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u/FighterOfTehNightman Liquid Jun 30 '17
NAF looks like he JUST woke up... prepare for 0-2 NA fans :'(
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
Can you tell me why so many (less good) teams on train do not check for an aggressive push of a t in a b-side post-plant situation? It's not like the last two T's would just stand around on spot, it is very likely that someone tries to take a forward position...
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u/TheNorfolk Jun 30 '17 edited Jun 30 '17
tabseN is sick. He singlehandedly won the last three rounds.
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u/equinox790 Jun 30 '17
Feel bad for tabsen. Every match 1v5. What is Legijas role in the team? Dedicated blowjobber?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
Big looks so much like old mouse, where everything depended on one player (Tabsen/NiKo). When this star player dies, the round usually is over. And ofc to win games, you have to rely on them to clutch the important rounds...
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u/crazyiwann Jun 30 '17
if tengri didnt lose 3 rounds 1v3 or smth like that. tabsen now, god b earlier, tabsen in first half. good show from tengri
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u/gorbatsh0ve Jun 30 '17
some one teach keev to stop strafe-jumping needlessly without his weapon pulled.
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u/PitaPitt Jun 30 '17
tengri could have easily won, but threw round after round when they had the advantage
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Jun 30 '17
Next up: Dignitas vs Immortals.
I feel like this will be a close match-up but if LUCAS steps up Immortals can take this.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Jun 30 '17
Why did tenzki not move the moment he saw the incendiary flying in?
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u/Mraz565 Jun 30 '17
C9 needs to work on their pistol rounds.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
They won the first one, but lets not talk about the round after - the Mouse syndrome.
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u/changgerz de_inferno Jun 30 '17
pistols are fine, their anti ecos are pure garbage, seems like they lose every single one
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Jun 30 '17
eu times smh
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u/CivenAL Jun 30 '17
As a European I would agree if the matches wern't going on till 8:30PM. I mean it's going on all day, I can't really see any different times they should be scheduled at. What times would you have suggested if you had input ?
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u/XDWetness Liquid Jun 30 '17
It's not even that, why put the NA games first?
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u/thekmanpwnudwn 500k Celebration Jun 30 '17
Seriously. :| I'm on the west coast, gonna end up staying up until 230 or so just to watch Optic, assuming production goes at a decent pace.
I ended up just watching VOD's all day at work today to catch up
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u/scuffy_wumpus NiP Jun 30 '17
Shroud doesn't want to go to the major, he'd rather retire (get kicked) and stream.
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u/headchuck Jun 30 '17
yea, his reactions make him seem super complacent, dude shows no emotion and doesnt care at all
oh wait
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u/arch3rpr0 BIG Jun 30 '17
Winners: 1: Liquid 2: Optic 3: Renegades 4: Big 5: Immortals 6: Hellraisers 7: G2 8:mouz
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
Can this game finally end? No one wants to see it, just get done with it please...
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jun 30 '17
How do you get a double-entry on Mirage B site with a Mac10? Against a full buy?