I’m watching aos for the first time and I’m on season 6 episode 6 (spoilers for season 5 finale and season 6 up to episode 6)

Fitz and Simmons are in the mind prison thing and they are in a memory where Fitz was asking Simmons about a problem and this was their shield academy days. I’m just going to write the dialogue that made me think of this

Fitz: “You’re late” Simmons: “Oh. Good to see you, too.” Fitz: “-Yeah, no, s- sorry. It’s just ‘cause you said you were gonna come at 9:00, and uh, it’s 9:24 and so I thought you blew me off.”

So that made me think of very on the dot thinking for some reason. Then I thought throughout the series and he has many autism coded things.

Also I don’t have autism I’ve done a ton of research on it though cause I think I have adhd so I also researched autism this is completely unrelated but I just want to say anything I get wrong I apologize.

When nervous he flaps his hands which could be a stim. I’ve noticed it in this one scene and I watched it like 10 times because it stuck out (now I realize why) where he was being yelled at in season 4 (spoilers) by his dad and he flaps his hands while backing away in the framework. Throughout the series you also see him doing that.

He can be very one thought oriented like how I wrote down the scene (though it would be normal to assume that if someone was almost 30 minutes late) but the very straightforward “You’re late.” Seemed more devoid of a word that I can’t think of right now.

Also like 2 seconds after the “You’re late” scenario he apologizes for having a messy room and Simmons says “Oh you should see mine” and he stops cleaning and stands up and says “Ok.” Then she looks at him weird and he says “I mean, yeah, whenever. If that happens I don’t care.” Then a sigh and his signature hands on hips. Then more literal thinking and over explaining things instead of understanding the sarcasm Simmons was throwing at him.

He has had outbursts when overwhelmed like in season 1 (spoilers) before his brain injury then when he found out that Ward was Hydra he started throwing things and was banging his head on the wall before Simmons stopped him.

Also to add onto that note when he found out that Ward was Hydra (this could just be shock and a coping mechanism) then he was denying and was stuck with the “No he is my friend he isn’t Hydra he is my friend.” (I think I watched it like a month ago and my memory is awful)

I’m pretty sure it has been mentioned in passing that he is sensitive to bright lights and sounds and smells but that could also be due to the brain injury.

He is resistant to change like how in season 2 (I think..?) then he was hallucinating Simmons because he was resistant to the change of her being gone. Again though that was peak brain injury.

This isn’t a very well explained thought process but if anyone has any opinions I would be interested in hearing them.

It's a bit surprising how overtly political the show gets in Season 4. There are a bunch of moments in the Framework that a really on-the-nose: Bakshi saying "we will make this country great again!" on his Hydra-Fox News show, Coulson decrying "alternative facts" in his speech to the public. There are even a few throw-away lines where conspiracy theories are scoffed off as "a little too Fox news."

I'm not complaining (like a lot of people here, I'm not a huge fan of the GOP), but it doesn't really happen in any other seasons.* Maybe there's just never space for an obvious commentary, or maybe everyone was on high alert that year, but it stands out.

It's especially weird since, even pre-uprising, S.H.I.E.L.D. is a pretty fascistic organization. None of the people they capture are ever offered a lawyer (and the treatment of Quinn definitely violates a bunch of civil rights).

*The obvious counter-example to this is Season 7 with all the time traveling racism and what-not, although I'm kind of discounting 7 since they knew it was the last season and are clearly stretching their wings in a way they wouldn't otherwise.

I think for me at least, a character constitutes a problem when the negative traits of the character are not apparent to all viewers, resulting in the glorification of the character to those who aren’t able to recognize it as wrong.

For instance, when we look at Ward or Gideon Malick, we see a villain. We know they are the bad guys of the show. But as a character, they are not problematic because it is made very clear to us that these are the guys we’re not meant to be.

Here are some of Deke's issues:

• He steals others’ ideas and work, and uses it to get rich and famous.

• He then brags about his wealth in front of those (Fitzsimmons and Daisy) whom he steals the ideas from.

• He brides Mac after the latter finds out about the video game-Daisy. Note: I can’t believe that Mac accepts the bribe and blackmails Deke later. I am curious to see how Mac would react if Deke uses Yoyo (instead of Daisy) as the sexy character in his video game?

• To make it worse nearly the whole team is fine with this. When finally there’s someone (Fitz) calling him out, the writers make it as if it is a grumpy grandpa issue (which is not). And Deke just brushes it off and says “I use math, do I steal math?” Man, this is a false and misleading argument. A more accurate statement should be it is as if he claims that E=mc² is his invention, and this is bad.

• When the fallacy doesn’t work, he starts whining about how nobody likes and respects him and then just jumps away (irresponsibly). Seriously, if I found out my co-worker steals my ideas and refuses to apologize or admit his mistakes; I will definitely keep this person at a distance.

• The 80's songs stuff (the show made him do it again and missed an opportunity showing Deke acknowledges/regrets with his previous mistakes).

These are the things that happen in real life, not some sci-fi things. Yet there are no consequences of his actions shown in the show, or at least indicate that the character (Deke) feels bad about it. Instead, he is portrayed as a naïve and funny guy, and therefore some (young?) viewers will not see it as a questionable behavior and potentially ignore the wrong messages he brings.

TLDR: This is NOT a hate Deke post. What I’m trying to say here is that Deke is problematic because the show essentially glorifies him and not properly addresses his negative traits. Instead of “look at this flaw that's a bit funny, but needs to be fixed,” it is seen as “Wow, cool. Love it!”.

Note: Apologize for any grammatical or vocabulary errors.

She is an inhumanly talented with software, is highly intelligent, and has powerful superpowers. Personality wise, there is very little to balance out her character. She is arrogant, impulsive, and overly emotional yes; but these traits are shown to be more strength than weakness in the show. 70% of the time when she is arrogant and impulsive, she is validated as correct in judgement. "Weaknesses" are only ever weaknesses if they hurt the character more than benefit them. It is seriously annoying to see her make arrogant "i am right no matter what" decisions, then have it validated by the plot to ensure that she is right. That isn't to say that other characters do not suffer from these issues, but they usually are more well balanced and less severe. Season 5 was the largest example of this in my opinion, she makes overemotional, rash decisions, only for there to be 0 consequence and her to be 100% right.

TLDR; she is a character that the plot goes out of its way to make always right and powerful.

Note: I am well aware that this is criticism of the show and that downvotes will hail. Nevertheless, here we go.

After watching the latest episode the minor mistakes that started in the earlier season are now big plot holes that make it hard to suspend disbelief in this show. Namely: how SHIELD and Coulson are operating and all the mistakes they make. In the show, they appear to be so utterly incompetent that the local PD may be better suited to handle their missions. It has reached comical levels in the LMD arc.

• Hey May, go and take in this weird robot that may be compromised due to reading a magic book and also faster and stronger than any human. Make sure not to take any backup or defensive measure like an EMP with you so you can be captured easily.

• Fake May gets wounded, her clothing torn and stained with blood. Yet there are no medical exams for agents after they sustain injury in the field, and just her saying "its fine" makes all the characters ignore her injury without offering medical assistance. Had she been brought to a doctor, her nature would have been discovered a lot sooner.

• SHIELD, the most advanced spy agency in the world, is utterly blindsided by robots in their base. They have cloaking devices and repulsor technology, but no way to detect an unauthorized wireless transmission coming from inside their main base. Or just a metal detector on the base entrance.

• Following that, Coulson as acting director gets caught red handed by local PD in a haphazard attempt to bug an office in person. Instead of you know, using drones or tapping her phone. Had he had any self-respect, he would have resigned from being a spy immediately. Thus the presence of a mule is revealed by SHIELDs incompetence instead of them catching on to the robot. What luck that the consequences are a stern talk and ominous "investigations" that are never heard from again because they will take down Nadeer eventually anyway.

• Coulson assigns the Koenigs the important task of destroying a very dangerous plot device. They pass it around like a hot potato from Billy to LT and back, so only captured Billy knows where it is (and thus the bad guys). Yet suddenly LT and the good guys know too, because its in the super secret hidden vault that only the Koenigs know about. Sheesh. Why not destroy it like they were ordered to? Also, why not just call LT instead of having to appear in person everywhere?

• Both SHIELD and bad guys learn the location of the plot device. Shield has a flying superjet at their disposal while bad guys are stuck in a submarine somewhere in the ocean. Nevertheless they only arrive moments later.

• Simmons discovers the nature of the May bot. Yet she doesn't immediately send an emergency message to Coulson, like you know a spy agency should be able to. Twelve year old kids are better networked than SHIELD, they could just send a whatsapp message.. Daisy then walks in minutes later and informs him because May was conveniently not programmed to shoot and incapacitate Coulson and then run away at robot speed.

• Honorable mention to the "I can't solve the riddle, lets have a completely tangential conversation where something unrelated you say gives me the right idea" trope. Only to have them discover theres an actual brain in the Radcliffe bot, which they would have known a lot earlier had they just looked inside like actual engineers examining a potentially dangerous machine. Also, why not keep tabs on Radcliff after AIDA turned into a murderbot? They were suspicious of him, his robot running amok should had them confine him to the base at least. Where again, him being a bot might have been discovered a lot sooner.

• The classical "we have an insignificant hostage, pass us the plot device" TV trope. Coulson actually passes them the actual fucking plot device. Nothing stops the bad guys from lighting up the Koenigs and Coulson (except maybe his Hand Shield which he doesn't even use). Yet they don't open fire at all. Only when Daisy does her stupid "push the bag away" stunt do they start shooting. Without hitting anything of course.

• The May bot is still lying there, and Coulson doesn't tell the Koenigs what she is even after hostilities end. Like you know, that may be some crucial information that you might wanna pass on to the team. Koenig then conveniently walks past her just to get knocked out. We couldn't stop laughing at how stupid that was.

• Radcliffe conveniently teleports right next to May. As if he just walked through walls. Cause if there was a side entrance, you might expect the expert SHIELD agents to, you know, cover it? And if Radcliffe knows about this side entrance, why not lead the bad gus there so they can ambush SHIELD and shoot them in the back?

• Cattleprod guy, surrounded by Koenigs, Daisy and Coulson, manages to escape. Are they even trying?

• SHIELD, after another crippling failure that allowed bad guys to get their hands on the WMD plot device, is happy and confident just because they know the identity of random bad guy leader #12. Instead of maybe thinking abouth how they fucked up big time, again.

• Also, lets not forget the episode where bad guy managed to sabotage a Quinjet so hard that the director and his two top agents not only crash in the woods, but that the bad guys manage to pinpoint exactly where while SHIELD is left uttely in the dark for hours.

It is starting to get frustrating seeing the plot switch between SHIELD getting kicked in the balls only to have the bad guys make stupid mistakes as well or plot armor to kick in. Rinse and repeat. The show was better than that, or at least not this bad.

The question is in the title, asking because I'm working on a fanfic and debating between Bobbi x Hartley or Bobbi x Simmons

(Also, if you have free time please go into more depth about how each season will change but you don't have to do, it will help me a lot though!)

In the latest episode they mentioned something along the lines of them not having any records of an actual telekinetic. My Comic Book knowledge isn't the best, but shouldn't Shield be aware of the X-Men? They surely have a record of all the powers exhibited by the members and the some of the kids at the school? And if I recall correctly their were a few telekinetic members apart from Jean.

Another thing, why aren't many of the people on the Index labelled as mutants?

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Being completely upfront with you guys now, a few bad apples are spoiling the bunch. There have been way too many IW spoilers. Way too many people that don't read the rules. Way too many people saying "GIVE US A THREAD ABOUT INFINITY WAR."

Well here is the bottom line... THERE WILL BE NO DISCUSSION OF INFINITY WAR ON THIS SUB RIGHT NOW.

There is literally nothing that happens in the movie that is addressed by the show yet. The whole line about "did you hear about New York" is nothing. NYC is the epicenter of Marvel activity. That line could be a reference to anything.

This is a sub for Agents of SHIELD, so until the show actually is impacted by the movie, or they address something in a more concrete manner, take it to /r/marvelstudios. Otherwise wait the 2 weeks we normally do.

In todays secret invasion Fury uses the same coin trick Ward used to see if a door had been opened.

All of the episodes, from both a story telling standpoint and a production standpoint, look and feel like they are right out of a cheap '80s movie. The very first scene that comes to mind is from S06E3. Those scenes where they visually focused on Daisy and Jemma during their ... inebriated state were extremely 1985 home video-looking. Also, every member of Coulson's crew is a trope of low-quality movie and TV meanies. The new brains that May and Mack recruited seems low-quality as well. I could go on, but I just feel like this season is not living up to past seasons' quality. Anybody else, or am I alone?

[SPOILER DISCUSSION] Throughout the vast intertwining dynamics of entertaining storytelling in this season, I was thrilled with excitement as the finale wound to a close and I awaited for the obligatory cliff-hanger shock scenes for the next season. The memorable moments were indeed memorable. From Melinda May's powerful story arc across 2 seasons, Ming-Na Wen juggled multiple character roles with the bio face mask so convincingly, the fact she wasn't nominated for an Emmy is a downright crime. The editing between transitions and flashbacks were smoothly weaved together. The ending was so striking and convincing as we learned that Wen's character May was forced to do the "unthinkable," it revealed to us the reason for such an emotional change in her. It very nearly upstaged Skye's realization that her mother was the force of evil, along with the touching reconciliation of moral absolution found for Skye's misfit father Calvin Zabo - who was hilarious when he wasn't frighteningly creepy. Most importantly, we were introduced to the humanity of the Inhumans. So all in all, a fantastic ride. Marvel always delivers.

That said, how disappointing it was to sit through yet another Grant Ward scene doing crap I don't really care about anymore and now drinking at a bar, saddened he killed agent 33 while planning to reorganize hydra and leaving me with an enormous WTF?! now jammed in my head. Even as I write, the thought chaffs annoyingly like an over-sized herpes sore on my nut sack. What were the writers thinking?

I have nothing against Brett Dalton the actor. I was particularly impressed throughout the first season. While every character was struggling emotionally - from Coulson's emotional fragility after his "vacation" from Tahiti, and Melinda May displaying an unnatural social numbness, everyone on the team had issues. Grant Ward, was the very convincing sure-footed persona of the team. Yes, we learned later he had childhood trauma, but he appeared to have it in check and could put it behind him when on a mission. Then there was that almost John Wayne toughness that appeared when needed. No one, but no one could take an iron bar, skull-cracking bash to head and shake it off just as fast as Wile E. Coyote, except for... well, Wile E. Coyote.

That said, I have one message to the writers - enough already! This character is so miserably worn out there's nothing left of redeemable value. I can't decide which script line from the finale is more apropos, Ward's reference of himself as the "elephant in the room" during the mission briefing, or Coulson's dead pan response, "Ward, don't talk." My sentiments exactly. Still, I'm not going to burn brain bytes wondering why the writers don't just kill off this character and be done with it. It will happen eventually (I hope), and when it does no tears will be shed. In the mean time, I've already accepted this pain-in-the-ass will be around another season and the writers will pull some reason out of their collective asses for his necessity. The fact remains, however, that the toying of his character, and the toying with the audience over his character, is creating so convoluted an image that it's impossible to feel there's anything truly redeemable. I rooted for this character up until he survived being shot 4 times by Skye, then I realized the writers were going to milk the sad sack for all they could get out of him. I have no idea what the writers are going for. If Ward has been so grossly misunderstood, the writing has made him so unrecognizable that I've lost all emotional investment in his character. His character is a story line distraction. Now I'm only interested in seeing him written out of the show, and I don't even care how. In fact, here's a script suggestion:

MISSION BRIEFING: Indoors - Coulson gathers team in briefing room informally

• Coulson: "Jemma. It's pizza night and you're turn to buy.

• Jemma: "Okay..."

• Coulsen: "Oh, and BTW guys... fwiw, Grant Ward died today of a stroke while trying to convince hydra he was telling the truth."

• Jemma: "So 4 meat lover's deep dish and one crispy veggie for me and Skye?"

• May: "Don't forget the Dr Pepper."

*Typos

Don't get me wrong this season isn't terrible and I love the show overall. But between the low budget sci fi time travel and the lack of actual SHIELD related plots this season seems like it was a bit phoned in.

I thought season 4 was the best season, it almost feels like going from filet mignon to a chop steak. I love this show and I hope they get a season 6 so that they can go out on a high note.

Just finished Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D for the first time:

• * Seasons 1 through 3 were tightly written, well-choreographed and excellently paced. Each season built upon the previous in a highly cohesive way, akin to how Marvel used to do things in the Infinity Saga.

• * Seasons 4 and 5 slumped slightly:

  • Season 4 was overtly political (even though they depicted HYDRA's fascism accurately, it was definitely used to convey messaging) and unnecessarily convoluted (they introduced Ghost Rider solely as a plot device to eliminate the antagonist for the season. such a waste) but had incredibly innovative ideas.

  • Season 5 capitalized on this and in my opinion, was the rightful conclusion to the show.

• * Seasons 6 and 7 were one seasons split in two (13 episodes a piece) and was completely useless. They were fun albeit poorly written seasons that depended on contemporary Marvel Writing (far too much goofiness, everyone's aloof and there's too much needed exposition for the plot to make sense, not to mention they just did a rematch for all of the shows villains) and nostalgia. Sadly, the ending achieved there was lackluster and uninspired.

Still, I enjoyed the ride. The show understood the love that it's fanbase had for it and I'm a little sad I didn't experience it in full with everyone as it was happening. Honestly, I wished the Marvel shows were more of this caliber as the Netflix shows either take themselves too seriously, despite the terribly goofy writing (Secret Invasion or Echo) or they don't do enough/have enough episodes to flesh out the characters or lore like you do with a 22 episode season.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D was lightning in a bottle. Thanks, Whedon.

Is it just me? I find her character terribly stale, and her acting the same. I think she's by far and away my least favourite character on the show. But rarely find other people who agree with me. Any one else the same?