After reviewing and researching everything that went down yesterday, I came to the conclusion that Dan Avidan is not a pedo/groomer. From what I've seen, most of the girls he slept with were in their early 20's, including the woman who went viral. HOWEVER, that does not mean that what Dan does to coax these women to sleep with him is okay. It is so fucking shitty.

Openly saying that you are open to having one night stands with fans is one thing. Yes, that is taboo as it was back in the days of groupies and also a power imbalance, which many people have pointed out and I agree with. What I'm saying is that if Dan had said that moving forward, there is at least some honesty on his end. Instead, Dan is using a system to trick girls into believing that his feelings for them are only romantic, then completely cuts them off after they sleep with him. The extra effort to not only lie to a young woman, not only lie to a young woman who is your fan, but to lie to so many young women who are your fans and doing this for years is absolutely disgusting. Illegal? No. But that shouldn't excuse this douchebag behavior.

I am heartbroken on both sides. I am heartbroken for all these women who went through with this and were taken advantage by this man. I am heartbroken for myself, a gay woman who joked that Dan Avidan was the only man who had the closest chance of turning me straight. To all those who came forward, to those planning to come forward because of this, and to those that are still too afraid to share their trauma, please know that I believe you. Please take care of yourselves during these times because as I type this Dan/ Game Grumps have yet to release any kind of acknowledgement of this issue and whatever comes next regarding this will be hard and bitter. Sending love and respect to everyone.

Before anyone says this is irrelevant, Jaiden has been a part of Arin's stupid tour that's been around for 4 goddamn years. She is very much a part of Game Grumps history.

Ever since collaborating with Arin, I can't stand her anymore. I hate how she gets all this praise from the internet as some "wholesome chaotic aro-ace icon who overcame anorexia and anxiety" despite doing so many terrible things. Doxxing a hotel and a child impersonating her Twitter account, removing videos with fanart from her fans, unlisting videos with CallMeCarson (for a 2 year age difference) and BoyInaBand, yet still comfortably collabing with sex pest-enabler Arin Hanson (Ben hitting on a minor and Dan having sex with and emotionally maniuplating women 20 years younger), and doxxing a gay man to near suicide Suzy, creating an art contest for her Twitter banner: with the prize being "exposure" to then a measly $300, only to then cancel the entire fucking thing, letting her fans shit on anyone who even dares criticize her, claiming to be "vegan" yet owning two birds and a cat (genius combo btw) and consuming dairy ingredients eating outside, becoming a V-Tuber to gain money from her simps (btw, she made literally millions from her Subathon and we still don't know where the money is going), etc. Not to mention her lazy content, with her animations where she barely does any of the fucking work her team actually does.

Her friendship with Arin only makes it more apparent how awful a person she actually is. Just an overall insufferable, spoiled waste of space who deserves none of the praise or love she gets. If she died tomorrow, I wouldn't weep a single tear.

I didn’t really know where else to post this, but it’s something i never thought about until now. I think Arin is a very talented artist/animator, or was, but I don’t really think dan is good at making music or writing songs. Or singing. NSP, Skyhill or starbomb.

I get that it’s his passion, & that’s great, it’s good to have stuff you care about. i have a lot of passions that i’m not good at or wish i was better at, but he is like a 5/10 at best. And you could say “oh it’s not his real stuff, it’s just stuff he’s just making while he has a comedy fanbase” but I don’t agree with that. The comedy doesn’t even hold up it’s always predictable or gets old really quick, like within the first listen. And their cover songs just show how unimpressive a singer he is.

If he had any exceptional talent for music it would be shown by now. But he genuinely makes boring average - terrible songs, with weak generic hooks & instrumentals. but he’s successful so who cares. He doesn’t need to try. If this is his best work though, then, well, 5/10.

I discovered this sub a while ago and thought it was just a bunch of haters making shit up. I wanted to continue loving this show that had cheered me up at my lowest points. I wanted to be ignorant.

I’m sorry. I’m with you guys on this one.

Edit: Since apparently the sub is getting brigaded by people who think that this changes anything, I still don’t support Dan. What happened was a morality issue, not a legality issue. Maybe he’s not a literal child predator, but abusing your power to screw your fans is a shitty thing to do regardless, and that’s where the real issue lies.

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welp did a little more reading and apparently the whole "dan avidan is a child groomer" thing came from a subreddit formed SPECIFICALLY TO TRY AND RUIN THE REPUTATIONS OF EVERYONE AFFILIATED WITH GAME GRUMPS because they're still salty jontron got fired for being racist. oof.

It's annoying that this even has to be pointed out, but no, this subreddit isn't a revenge vehicle because a content creator got fired for racism (did he? I thought he left on his own accord, I dunno lol). It was created so people who had actual gripes with the actions of the hosts/quality of the content could voice them, instead of being shouted down by the "lovelies" on the main sub.

From what I've seen here, nobody here hates the Grumps; in fact, many of them are fans who've grown disillusioned, or called out controversy, like when editor Ben solicited nudes from a minor, of Suzy was outed for running an Etsy scam, etc.

I don't understand how this is so hard for some people to get.

i don’t want any feral rabid users on here going “DAN SUCKZ OF COURSE HE WOULDN’T SAY ANYTHING” no. I want a calm clear unbiased answer. I just want to know if he spoke out about it or if he mentioned anything about it. I’m asking only because a guy like him, and his position of influence, and I wanted to see if he made any position he had being made public.

This is not that big but I was just watching some random Game Grumps videos yesterday, all from very different times and different games, and in each one Arin just had to bring up that his favorite color is pink. At this point we get it, everyone knows his favorite color. I’m sure he genuinely likes the color but I’m certain that part of the appeal of pink to him is that it makes him “different” and “unique”. Arin is kind of a pick me girl in a grown man’s body.

That smug bastard Egoretard is acting like hes making his own predictions on these cases, but theres no way in hell that hes getting these precisely pretty much every case. I know he vaguely mentions playing the first game which is why I gave it a pass, but people are praising him for this one too and I'm not buying it. The man can't even follow simple instructions or is way off the mark in mosts instances, but having him hit the nail pretty much everytime is too much of a coincidence.

I need some hard evidence of parts from previous Ace Attorney 1 or 2 videos where he either says he played all three of them or him just flat out spoiling parts of the game.

It's really telling that not a single grump have publicly apologized or even said anything regarding accusations of Homophobia, outing a person to their homophobic mother, driving him to near suicide, placing bets on when he'd next try to kill himself. If it's all true it's genuinely evil and disgusting that game grumps have tried to bury it and ignore it. Dan. Arin, Matt, Ryan, everyone should be ashamed and held responsible, if not completely deplatformed.

just to clarify, I was a fan who started watching gg in 2016 and stopped watching at 2019.

I see their stuff every now and then, and its just... sad. their content unironically defined what it meant to be a co-op gameplay/commentary channel during YouTube's earlyish days. they were interesting people who had their own lives and experiences to share. I actually discovered gg because I was a fan of Arins art.

Now, judging by the 5 minute intervals of videos I attempt to sit through annually, as well as being force fed their posts on Instagram.. holy shit. their content just feels like sludge now. it might have started when they were forcing themselves to laugh at jokes that have been milked for episodes at a time. or probably when they began selling fucking totebags or something stupid. its plain to see that gg just isn't what it was- arguably meant- to be.

I feel like all Arin cares about is money now, and as a kid I didn't really see it but a lot of his "melt downs" were just attempts at getting views. There is SO MUCH unnecessary merch. I bought a few t shirts from them and that's about it. I would understand it if their goal was to help out small artists, but the EXTENT they go to have all eyes on their merch store is actually embarrassing. Their advertising is also straight up cringe... like trying to stay fucking relevant by recreating twitter memes by having your 20-something social media manager take shots of your 47 year old co worker is SO FORCED. Arin is without a doubt behind every decision, since he usually is the one trying to stay relatable and relevant by repeating and repeating and repeating humor from twitter and tiktok.

I don't blame Barry, Ross, Oney Plays, Super Mega, hell even Markiplier from distancing themselves from gg. All it is now is corporate sludge. judging by Ding Dongs description of the workplace environment its supposedly even worse. Like as in everyone pretends they're friends with each other but in reality they all hate their jobs. And knowing that they almost drove Ding Dong to SUICIDE because of their homophobia is crazy. Not to mention that they've said SO MANY racist/ transphobic things on the show. And yet they pride themselves on making a game based off of their perceptions of "gay culture"... when in reality, it was targeted towards women who fetishize gay relationships.

I guess I'm just so mad because I genuinely looked up to Arin. I loved his old content BECAUSE of how his humor was so unique and in-your-face at the time, and he wasn't afraid to be himself at all, despite always getting hated on. Now he's a husk of that person I fear. what was a small group of friends making a co-op commentary channel together with hopes of making people laugh is now entirely a desperate attempt at trying to gain their audience back by repeatedly spamming #relatable #meme #hellofellowkids in everything they make. JUST BE YOURSELVES. and who cares if people still don't watch you anymore? you guys literally defined an entire generation of youtube. fucking retire because I'm so sick and tired of seeing this dead horse being beaten into the ground. go live your lives and GET OFF THE INTERNET for fucks sake. do what you genuinely like instead of bearing the burden of appeasing fans and forcing jokes/laughs.

I knew that the "lovelies" didn't like this subreddit, but with all these allegations against Dan, the lovelies are trying super hard to blame rantgrumps, its really funny reading what some of them write

Is there a reason why some of the lovelies are blaming rantgrumps, or is it just the fact that they don't like this sub?

I know i shouldn’t be posting this here and it might be against some rules or something but i just wanted to share a bit of positivity :>

Because that's literally all their 'Stanley Parable' video is in terms of joke.

Also, obligatory mention of how late to the trend they are playing a game popular in 2013 in 2024.

I'm being serious when I ask this, I imagine the reason why most of us are here is because Game Grumps lost it's spark with us, and we just don't like it anymore, is there a reason why they seem to still have a large viewer base even though we view the content as mediocre?

I know everyone loves to hate on Arin, but honestly, Dan is by far the worst to me. He became traumatized from weed and always goes on about how he's being paid to do Game Grumps and that it's just a job, but he can't be bothered to actually play any games. "I was just a musician who was high all the time", dude you still don't read notes, know common music terms, or have any technique at all. On top of all that, if it's his job, why hasn't ever learned basic video game controls? Instead of constantly asking what buttons to press, and then whining because he's losing or "didn't know". Instead of always asking Arin "what is this game?". Dude, YOU figure it out.

On top of that, he often seems completely zoned out and rarely improvises. He relies on lame boomer humor or grunge references, almost never shares personal stories anymore, and rarely genuinely supports Arin. Instead, he constantly judges him. I can't believe how he refuses to step out of his 90s and 2000s comfort zone and try something new.

My only pet peeve with Arin is him constantly yawning into the microphone.

Google doc just droped accussing him of grooming a 16 year old when he was 22

Link:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15VsmMZS8umxDZ7YYT5-Bprjbw_gKFnqUD0UgSn3NlIk/edit?tab=t.0

Hello Reddit,

Tw; Dan allegations

I’m having a weird time processing all that’s transpired over the past few days. I know Dan did nothing “illegal” but it feels more than just an “asshole” thing to do. I don’t feel like he should be “canceled” but there should be some kind of accountability for his actions if these allegations of using fans for sex and ghosting them.

As a person with a past of being used and ditched it’s caused me a lot of problems in my life and this honestly fucking hurts a lot. Shit, it was one of the shows that still genuinely made me laugh on YouTube. I really looked to them for inspiration for a lot, and all of us as humans are not perfect, but like jeeze man for real?

I don’t know, but I really wish they would address everything because those women didn’t deserve to be ghosted by someone with such a huge presence. I can’t imagine how it must’ve felt, knowing someone that well and seeing them be the sweetheart of the show.

I’m canceling my membership to the channel and I’m not even sure I can even watch them anymore.

Tldr; dans a jerk not a criminal and I can’t stand gg right now

So I just saw an add from Wall Street Journal on facebook. When clicking the ad, got locked out of their article, https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lonely-burden-of-todays-teenage-girls-11565883328. And then when going back to Facebook the article mysteriously disappeared. Discovered shortly after that "The Wall Street Journal" Facebook page post a million times per day. But after doing an image search of the article name in google images, I found the image again. It's a girl in bed crying, and on her phones screen is clearly THE PICTURE OF DAN AND ASHLEY DAN POSTED 3 DAYS AGO.

Link to Image: https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-ET095_TEENGI_IM_20190814124029.jpg

Dan's Insta: https://www.instagram.com/p/B4xccPolFX7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

WTF WALL STREET JOURNAL

UPDATE: The grumps had reached out to GrumpyGamers and had confirmed that it was youtube who issued the strikes. They also asked them to officially help with making these long form compilations. I deeply apologize to the grumps for assuming it was them, I genuinely did not know youtube would issue strikes automatically like this. I won't delete the post for posterity's sake as I still have these feelings, just directed specifically at youtube and the law.

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The channel GrumpyGamers just got nuked. They hosted probably around a hundred 4-8 hour compilation videos, basically every series was converted into a single video without the intros or sponsorships.

I'm not gonna pretend like I don't know why they did it or pretend that they are in the wrong, after all it basically was a reupload of their entire channel with no interruptions, a straight up superior experience. I'm just annoyed that there isn't a way to have this convenience in life.

It's a minor rant since I can just go to their playlist page, let youtube load for 3 minutes of scrolling to find some series, queue up 5 tabs of playlists then every time I wake up I change to a new tab and then listen to their intro and subscribe screen every 10 minutes on older series or a sponsorship every 30 minutes. Not a grumps specific problem, just a legal one.

EDIT: The rant is that there's no morally right way to have these conveniences. I'm fine with the grumps taking down a channel that literally reuploaded over 80% of their content.

I don't care if any keto twits get mad at this. Keto is bad for you. You risk getting kidney stones doing it, for one thing, and for another -- that's not how macros work. That's not how ketones work. None of it is sustainable. The bulk of the "science" supporting it is quackery.

Arin then made the claim about artificial sweeteners that "anything sweet gets converted to carbs in your body," demonstrating the average keto dieter's knowledge about nutrition. No, Arin, sweet things aren't always carbs. Your body doesn't convert anything into a carbohydrate even if it wanted to. Carbs are also essential for your liver and your brain, so I guess you need a little sugar to rub some brain cells together and have an informed opinion.

Arin, being confidently wrong, again. I hope nobody listens to his stupidity on this subject.

When im watching gg now when they make jokes i can hear some girl in the back snickering at the jokes. Who tf are you? Sometimes she talks and dan and arin have to get out of character to respond to her. Like tell her to get the fuck out she ruins all the videos because i can hear her laughing at every joke. My bad yall I didn’t know it was a managers job to make the video suck by talking and laughing obnoxiously throughout a game grumps video. Like i didnt know the game grumps were three core members now apparently with these glazers

"IT'S CALLED A SMART TV! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SMART!"

"HE'S CALLED SONIC! HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE FAST!"

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Listen to the Firework cover. That's what an actually good singer sounds like.

…because his own music is mediocre at best. You’d think getting handed enough money to be a self-publishing artist would humble you but I consistently hear Dan talk about how this band sucks or this album is shit and I’m like “bro you literally make parody songs for neckbeards”.

His head has probably gotten big from all the constant praise and idol worship over the past 10 years but I’d love the opportunity to tell him his music sucks one day. Just to bring him back down to planet Earth.