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u/BookkeeperMaterial55 Jan 21 '25 edited Jan 21 '25
Boy, I really feel this meme. I'm at work and have to keep scrolling to avoid having a fascist doing a Nazi salute on screen. By the way, I'm German, so we're kind of sensitive about this topic.
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Response for anyone saying that it's the Roman salute or a sweet heart gesture or "the same as others have done in the past":
--You can NOT be serious. Nobody on earth uses that gesture for "my heart goes out to you". That isn't a thing. It doesn't even make sense to mean that, and it has never been used for that by anyone in any context.
--The Roman salute also isn't a thing in this era. It has forever been usurped by the Nazi salute and you damn well know it. When was the last time you saw anyone do that and intend for it to be the Roman salute? The Roman salute wasn't even part of the public consciousness until today.
--And if you watch the full videos from which photos are shown of other people doing that gesture, it's super clear that it's just part of a freeze-frame during a normal hand gesture while talking or waving to the crowd, and not this aggressive, purposeful intent to do only the Nazi salute and nothing else. That includes some Republicans by the way. Well, except for that one Laura Ingraham video.
(Feel free to copy/paste this wherever, no attribution needed)
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u/Mutor77 Jan 21 '25
The Roman salute also isn't a thing in this era.
It wasn't even a thing in the roman era. We have no proof for it to be used as a greeting, it's only seen on statues when showing people taking an oath or swearing something.
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u/dmk_aus Jan 21 '25
The Roman Salute used to be very popular. It was also known as the fascist salute, and it was all the rage in Mussolini's Italy. Hitler made a tweaked variant of it for the old Nazi Salute.
So, the Roman Salute was never used by Romans as far as we know. Just fascists.
And Elon is far more sympathetic to Nazi views than to Italian Fascism.
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u/Loightsout Jan 21 '25
It’s completely besides the point and shouldn’t even be part of this argument. It really doesn’t matter if you think the Roman’s used it or not. Changes nothing about the insinuation made by musk.
But in the museums and around rome you can see tons of statues and paintings with that salute + the chant “Ave Caesar” which is “Hail, Caesar” and essentially the exact original to Hitlers and Mussolinis chants.
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u/xaba0 Jan 21 '25
We have marble statues depicting it, it definitely exists. BUT that is not a roman salute, the arm should be slightly bent at the elbow and the palm should face the person you're saluting for. The nazi thing is a fully straight arm, which is what fElon did.
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u/whythishaptome Jan 21 '25
There were some famous paintings as well made way after the fact. There is no art or writings about it being used during that time period.
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u/ChrystTheRedeemer Jan 21 '25
You're correct that the Roman salute has no historical basis, however, the Bellamy salute which is essentially the same as the Nazi salute was the official salute when saying the Pledge of Allegiance until 1942. It was changed in 1942 to placing the right hand over one's heart for obvious reasons. However, it still pre-dated the Italian/Nazi use of the salute by ~30 years.
That said, I doubt Elon was aware of that (I wasn't until I looked into the supposed link to Rome), and even as someone who is probably more charitable in my opinion of Elon than most people on reddit, I can't think of any reasonable explanation for him making that gesture given the overwhelming historical association with Nazis.
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u/-Nicolai Jan 21 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
Explain like I'm stupid
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u/TurquoiseLuck Jan 21 '25
There's a phrase I like: when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.
This was obviously a Nazi salute. Anyone in their right mind would interpret it as that. It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you.
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u/mrasif Jan 21 '25
He has come out and said that. He actually went to Israel not that long ago and was talking to Shapiro to dispel any notion of him being anti-Semitic. All it takes though is one hand gesture that looks like a Nazi salute and he’s a Nazi though. Super convenient for Reddit who hate him eh?
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u/FUNNY_NAME_ALL_CAPS Jan 21 '25
You don't understand he's just so ridiculously autistic that he flails into nazi salutes uncontrollably!
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u/vidyaosu Jan 21 '25
Roman salute? What's next, people using certain Hindu symbols instead of the US flag?
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u/Melodic_monke Jan 21 '25
Also, why would "My heart goes to you" point UP? It should point to the person, unless Melon Tusk wants to meet god
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u/marslo Jan 21 '25
Who cares at this point and it honestly feels like a distraction to everything else that's happening.
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u/DuntadaMan Jan 21 '25
Everyone should care and it should mean he should be far removed from anything resembling government.
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u/BashEuroFashTrash Jan 21 '25
Who cares that the richest man in the world did a Nazi salute? You people are genuinely evil lol
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u/Dr-Ogge Jan 21 '25
Who cares that one of the most powerful people in the most powerful country is a fucking -NAZI-?! Idk if it’s because you’re stupid, ignorant or evil, but most people where I am from knows someone who fled the holocaust. Most people have heard the stories and seen the pictures. Good people care about when such evil shows itself.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker Jan 21 '25
He's getting exactly what he wanted. He's just a fucking cringe troll.
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u/LightMarkal9432 Jan 21 '25
the Roman salute isn't even done that way btw
it's a very gentle gesture depicted on statues made by Neo-Classicist.
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u/Joel_the_Devil Jan 21 '25
Why is there only a ten second clip of this, where’s the minute clip
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u/Realistic-Contract49 Jan 21 '25
He posted the whole speech himself. It's about 4 mins long, the salute thing is about 55 secs in
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u/pohui Jan 21 '25
Pro tip: You can sieg heil as much as you want as long as you say "my heart goes out to you" after. It's like the "no homo" rule.
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u/Tanckers Jan 21 '25
Does the nazi salute
"The guy im looking for is this tall"
Its still a nazi salute
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u/DabbinEstus Jan 21 '25
What heart? He disowned his own child
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u/toni_toni Jan 21 '25
If you're talking about his trans daughter, I'm 90% sure it was the other way around. (And good for her for doing that.)
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u/YangTarex Jan 21 '25
it's obviously planned. he does it knowing what it means and of course as we know the right extremists do today, they're seeding an excuse. of course he was not about to say sieg heil, but he absolutely knew what he was doing and I find it astonishing that people are still able to deny that
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u/Honigbrottr Jan 21 '25
Oh so if Hitler would have said "My heart goes out to you" it wouldnt have been a Hitlergruß, got it.
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u/The_Bored_General Jan 21 '25
S(ecret)S(ervice) “Mr Elon we’re not that far along in the plan just yet”
Elon “Oh shit my bad”
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u/The_Bygone_King Jan 21 '25
Bro looks it’s clearly a fucking Nazi salute. Watch the video. I don’t give a fuck what he said before or after, that shit is clear as day.
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u/ChrystTheRedeemer Jan 21 '25
I mean, I've got a pretty neutral opinion on Elon, which practically makes me a fanboy relative to most users on this site - but even if that was his intention the optics are still horrible. I can think of multiple other ways to gesture "my heart goes out to you" that don't resemble a Nazi salute.
If he'd made a similar gesture but the motion was more sweeping and his palm was up - sure, I'd probably give it the benefit of the doubt... but it was way too close, and he should be smart enough to know that.
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u/unseatedjvta Jan 21 '25
*post about how tiring it is seeing all those posts about the "salute"*
*look inside*
*people talking about the "salute"*
I'm honestly considering leaving this circle jerk of a site
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u/Die4Gesichter Jan 21 '25
And it's important to see it.
This cannot be forgotten.
This cannot be forgiven.
This has to have consequences
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u/jcdoe Jan 21 '25
And what consequences would you like to impose on Mr. Musk?
Because last I checked, while Nazi salutes are in incredibly poor taste, they are covered under free speech in the US. Musk isn’t going to jail. You could stop buying his cars, but if you’re this upset, you already aren’t. You can’t take away his pop fame because frankly, he’s more infamous than anything these days.
It’s probably important for people to know that the world’s richest man did this. But its only important to you that we see every conceivable camera angle of some fat middle aged billionaire nazi saluting
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u/Hopeful_Crab7912 Jan 21 '25
Nobody is going to do a single thing about it you included.
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u/BashEuroFashTrash Jan 21 '25
Im glad you people are coming out of the woodwork to admit you’re just vile creatures without a basic sense of decency
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So you aren't going to do anything about it then
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“We’ll see”
So no you’re not doing anything about it, the other commenter is right.
It’s all well and good acting tough on Reddit but you’re not actually doing anything about it
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So to paraphrase, you aren't doing anything and will not do anything until it becomes popular to do so, because you are a coward
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u/TrashInspector69 Jan 21 '25
What are your guys’ plans for the day?
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u/evergreendotapp Jan 21 '25
Work, weed, maybe order Mexican food.
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u/TrashInspector69 Jan 21 '25
Same. Thank Christ it’s my day off 🙏now you got me wanting chipotle lmao
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u/DailyDoomer Jan 21 '25
The worst part is that its all from subreddits I don’t follow. Reddit just really likes showing it to me
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why is the caption "POV"?
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u/blazeweedm8 Jan 21 '25
Actual usage of it, from your point of view you see a knight resting around a campfire ven though you are looking at him from a nearby bush.
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u/Wrectown Jan 21 '25
Unfortunately burying your head in the sand isn’t really an option here. The last thing the world should be doing is tuning out right now
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u/BBQsandw1ch Jan 21 '25
That's been my strategy since the election and it was great. I'm really going to miss the sand.
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u/JahPraises Jan 21 '25
I’m tired, boss. I don’t know what else to say or do about it after this election. I’ve just buckled up now.
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I would see this more as a mental health break away from what we just saw. It's tough. I wanted to just give up yesterday but now it's time that we all gather our energy and think, "What the fuck are we going to do next?" It's critical that if these "deportations" start becoming camps, it's up to us civilians to do something about it. We can't just sit there and let it happen to our neighbors because he'll be coming after you and me next.
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u/DKDCLMA Jan 21 '25
Seeing this sandwiched between 4 elon posts on either side is comedy gold. Reddit was always an US centered social media, but right now it's downright numbing to use if you don't live there...
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I guess it depends on what a person takes away from it that matters and to me, I just witnessed the world's richest person get away with it as 250M Americans did nothing.
I hear train whistles. I wonder what that means.
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u/Arthur2327 Jan 21 '25
I fought in the US Marine Corps, I defended this nation. Only to see it turn into this. I don't know what is happening anymore and I'm tired.
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We defended it however it's more probably than not the GWOT was a sham. I signed up in 08. Started opening up my eyes around 2011.
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If a mf tells you they're a villain, believe them. If they're so blatant about it, it cannot be ignored, believe them.
The US is about to find out how incredibly meaningless human life can become under the rule of psychopaths.
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u/funcancelledfornow Jan 21 '25
I mean the richest man in the world very publicly made not one but two nazi salutes in a few seconds, this is slightly significant.
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u/CHARLI_SOX Jan 21 '25
I wish people would also keep posting the picture of the heads of Facebook, Amazon, Google and Twitter all together at the inauguration. Says much much more than the salute one.
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u/aryzkryz Jan 21 '25
Unlike other countries, america is fucked, totally fucked, especially those republicans. The entire world saw what he did, knows what he did and yet they still tried to justify he did nothing wrong. Sorry but the world is not as dumb as most americans.
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u/mealteamsixty Jan 21 '25
Ummm...just a heads up, most other western countries are sliding this direction as well. I certainly hope our situation here wakes everyone up to how quickly a "free nation" can slide into "1939 germany".
The question now is who will come over and free us from ww3? Because I can tell you, we have no clue what to do right now. We were taught as schoolchildren about the government's checks and balances and how they keep any one branch of the government from having too much power. What happens when the other 2 branches refuse to take action against the 3rd? No one ever saw this coming and I'm afraid. Like I'm seriously debating whether my family would be better off fleeing to Mexico. I don't want my kids to be caught up in this shit once it's too late to run anymore?
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u/BashEuroFashTrash Jan 21 '25
Any other leading countries bringing up billionaire elite oligarchs to perform nazi salutes on stage?
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u/Friendly_Guillotine Jan 21 '25
I literally said "own special way" this implies not in the same way, perhaps learn to read 2 sentences of text before commenting please
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u/Azhurkral Jan 21 '25
Is that your criteria to diferentiate between fucked up and not fucked up countries? Thanks for setting up the bar so specifically I guess
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u/SirFlannelJeans Jan 21 '25
I don't even care about it at this point. It's just pissing me off. I don't want to see a million posts about the same damn thing.
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u/SirR3ys Jan 21 '25
I came from Twitter because my TL was filled with the picture. Now I'm here and it's the same.
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u/BashEuroFashTrash Jan 21 '25
You should care when the richest man in the world performs a nazi salute
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u/AdditionalEvidence50 Jan 21 '25
Every Reddit lib wants to go against Israel until it’s time to do some real go against Israel shit.
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u/Heimeri_Klein Jan 21 '25
Me when it comes to literally anything political in the past year basically.
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u/Spiritual-Tension767 Jan 21 '25
I don't care. What are you going to do? He's already won. "We will not forgive him! Harrumphs!" Oh, blow it out your ass. Calling them Nazis hasn't persuaded anyone to vote against them.
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u/SueTheDepressedFairy Jan 21 '25
I'm fine with the posts...I'm not fine with seeing people defend him.
Man I need to smoke some good shit because I'm not even In the US and yet I'm so anxious about all those people :(
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u/Disgraced002381 Jan 21 '25
And some dumbass to proceed posting about Elon's salute followed by other dumbasses to upvote that shit so people would see. People can't be helped.
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u/andrewsad1 Jan 21 '25
Maybe someone will be upset enough to do something really, really cool very soon
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u/cusack6969 Jan 21 '25
Thank you for this post. It was a brief respite until I saw the comments here. I would now like to bury my head in some sand for a good 4-29 years
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u/Chumbuckeneer Jan 21 '25
Ah shit, I didnt see it so far but now I know what to expect to see next few days.
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u/Few-Tour9826 Jan 21 '25
I got on Reddit maybe a hour after it happened and the first AT LEAST ten posts were all about him. It was crazy.
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u/Boris4ka1 Jan 21 '25
I've seen this even on those subs where I haven't seen politics before
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u/Few-Tour9826 Jan 21 '25
Yeah. It was in all kinds of different subs. Probably in damn near every sub honestly.
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u/BashEuroFashTrash Jan 21 '25
You should care when the richest man in the world performs a nazi salute btw
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u/Haunting_Resolve2565 Jan 21 '25
Istg every time i open this app when i was in school i kept seeing this stupid meme
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u/Nidd1075 Jan 21 '25
Thank you, my armored fellow.
The post before this one was yet another one of those....
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u/Cautious_Pea4989 Jan 21 '25
literally under this i got another post of elon heiling bru😭 i'm not even gonna try to count how many times i've seen it already😮💨
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u/rexamous Jan 21 '25
Yea, because it's concerning. This is where you should be standing up more, not sitting down.
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Jan 21 '25
Thank you for this pause...
I actually used it to go out and have a smoke and get some things done 😅
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Jan 21 '25
And Americans in the un-united shits of America will do nothing about it but whine on reddit while nazis run their stupid fucking country
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u/bearjew666 Jan 21 '25
Thanks brother. I am worn from the onslaught, all I need is a place to rest.
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u/ShaggySmilesSRL Jan 21 '25
I opened reddit when I woke up and I swear to God there was 5 or 6 posts back to back on different subs about it.
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u/sasha-is-a-dude Jan 21 '25
Ive already seen it enough on every platform. Ive already had my thoughts about it. Im done. I just wanna scroll through some cat videos, DIYs, travel, recipes or something idk
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u/BashEuroFashTrash Jan 21 '25
Wake the fuck up. The richest man in the world threw out multiple nazi salutes and you want to be a little first world blissful child and scroll through social media without issue. Fuck you, coward. You’re pathetic.
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u/sasha-is-a-dude Jan 21 '25
Hi, its actually okay to not be stressed out 24/7. Im a disabled black person living through this current environment. Its physically unhealthy having constant uninterrupted exposure to this kind of stuff, despite what you say here.
I understand you are upset right now, and so am i, but i think you should comment for the people who are unaware of what his gesture was, or refusing to acknowledge it, passing it off as autism or a roman salute. I and the numerous other folks in my communities have been well aware of what he was doing and the type of person he is all along.
We (disabled, etc folk) were the canaries in the coal mine long before any of these events even took place, and i cant put into words how unsafe and uncertain myself and others like me feel. But that doesnt mean its productive either to live in the constant energy you expect me to. And it doesn't mean by keeping my mental and physical health in check im unaware or don't find problem with whats going on. Again, take that up with the people who dont see it.
I hope you can slow down a little and have something you enjoy like a cup of tea today.
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u/Absolutely_Emotional Jan 21 '25
Thank you. I'm so damn tired. This comment section is not restful, however, so I must be carrying on now...
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u/VGuilokvaen Jan 21 '25
Thank you kind stranger, out there... reigns darkness... have you Heard about the Fire keeper?
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u/Reizoko-_- Jan 21 '25
I’m not even American…thank you, kind knight. I will use this time of rest for a little longer. Thank you, once again.
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u/Lore_ofthe_Horizon Jan 21 '25
ITT: Same shit as the stuff your trying to get away from everywhere else.
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u/Vendor_Frostblood Jan 21 '25
Nah, was happy enough to see it in none, but this was second post of today referencing it, so I just went ahead and found news clip talking about it.
I understand this world less and less by the day :D
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u/Vladi_Daddi Jan 21 '25
Somebody was just pitbitching that a repost of the video only had 10 up votes after 3hrs and the OP had 40k. ...maybe people are bored of seeing it? Considering it's been posted and reposted on every page, on every platform, by every other person. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Fun-Examination-5963 Jan 21 '25
You’re welcome! A break and a nap sound like a great idea. Resting can do wonders for your energy and mood. Enjoy your time off, and may you wake refreshed and ready to conquer the day! 🛌✨
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u/phi79l Jan 21 '25
I haven't seen it, not even once, but I have seen a lot of memes about the quantity of times everyone has seen it wtf dude
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u/mangababe Jan 21 '25
As someone who gave up on sleep like, an hour ago, don't mind if I do
You'd think something this exhausting would help me sleep but noooo now I'm just annoyed and anxious.
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u/DoctahDonkey Jan 21 '25
May I offer you a fine 157th playthrough of Dark Souls in this trying time?
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Somebody needs to fill me in. I haven’t seen this image yet. Go ahead and post it on my Home feed a few more times.
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u/bluebeans808 Jan 21 '25
I literally woke up from a nap to back to back Elon. I wish I went back to sleep
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u/Goldnspartan Jan 21 '25
When I saw people saying he did that I didnt believe it until I saw it. Genuinely have to wonder what the hell he was thinking in that moment (probably that one starwars speech German dubbed)
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Guys we need to make sure that when our Führer starts rounding up people "for deportation" that we go to the streets and protest. Even though history is unfortunately repeating itself, we at least know what to do this time. It's important that we stick together. But right now, take a break and take care of your mental health first. But don't forget, I need you, we all need you to stay strong.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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u/F-man1324 Jan 21 '25
I dont see what the big deal is, this will be forgotten by next week if not even sooner and people here are howling for consequences? Give me a break...
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u/NYCShithole Jan 21 '25
Is there an international official who determines how to wave or salute? To determine what is a Nazi salute and what is a Canadian salute or Australian salute? I held a cup with an extended pinky, so that means I'm gay? I pronounce Kamala Harris' name as Ka-mal-a, so that means I'm a white supremacist? I also use the okay hand sign, so that means I'm an anti-Semitic white supremacist. Man, you crazy kids. Keep entertaining yourselves. :)
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u/Crimson_Marksman Jan 21 '25
Everything's falling apart. I'm not American but it really feels like people are being silenced. Here in Pakistan, former PM Imran Khan has been 14 years for supporting a crime who's actual perpetrator, Malik Riaz, walks around free.
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u/postprandialrepose Jan 21 '25
Elon Musk used to suck his own farts through his pants. Now, he presses one of his nostrils directly against his asshole and snorts his farts right from the source. He sometimes likes to switch things up by sucking farts of all shapes, sizes, colors, and textures through a crazy straw he keeps in his asshole.
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u/JXNyoung Jan 21 '25
Seeing it isn't my problem, nobody trying to stop him or do anything about it is what concerns me more.
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u/Confident-Split-1490 Jan 21 '25
Thank you, fine knight. I do need a break... And maybe a nap