I just want to say that I love MARVEL comics, movies and everything related to this wonderful (multi)universe!

I feel like the crowd that’s going “Marvel SUCKS. Hasn’t been the same since Endgame/No Way Home” (which i mostly agree with) either missed this movie or they need to rewatch it because this James Gunn masterpiece is probably my favorite Marvel movie the past 2 years (aside from Across the Spider-Verse but that’s Sony)

The whole "phase 4 is divisive" feels like a narrative some of you are pushibg rather than the reality.

Name me a phase where all mcu movies were all acclaimed in the same degree. I will wait. You do realize that when it comes to 7 movies and 7 shows its impossible for everything to have the same reception. Even when marvel had multiple movies and shows in prrvipus years with yhe Marvel TV shows, they all had varied receptions.

A show/movie doesnt have to be amazing to be well received. It can still be decent or good.

you don’t have to preface your enjoyment of the show with some variation of "I'm not the target audience, BUT..."

for once, you might not be the core demographic. For once, the main character doesn't look like you. For once, her world isn't built around your identity. But for literally the entire history of this franchise and most mainstream media, you have been the assumed audience. The default protagonist. The everyman. The hero, the villain, the anti-hero, the comic relief, the sidekick, the scientist, the general, the king, the god. You've been all of it (Yes, I know this isn’t literally the first non-white maleled MCU project. “For once” is a turn of phrase. The point is that it’s still rare enough to feel notable.)

And the rest of us? We watched. We watched Iron Man, and Thor, and Doctor Strange, and Captain America. We watched white guy after white guy get a trilogy and a spinoff and a redemption arc. We watched your stories without needing them to be about us in order to enjoy them. Nobody needed to say, "I'm not the target demographic for Iron Man." We knew. But we still watched. We still cared.

So when a show like Ironheart drops, and a 19-year-old Black girl from Chicago is the lead, and suddenly the phrase "not the target demographic" starts making the rounds like it's some kind of profound admission--no. It's not a confession. It's just a reminder that for once, the rest of us get something centered around our experience. This show isn't only for us, the same way ironman wasn't only for you. Like Stan Lee once said, he wanted Marvel to be like the world outside your window, and the world outside the window is diverse, and I'm happy that we're seeing more diverse products from Marvel and the MCU.

And even then, y'all still show up. Which is fine. Great, even. Im really happy that yall did. Its more of yall than us so more money to irinhert and Hopefully that means we get a season 2. Because the show is good. The acting is solid. The writing is sharp. Natalie is a scene-stealer. The third episode is a standout. It’s got style and voice and something fresh to say. It is pure Chicago from the AAVE used to just the locations and cinematography. It's beautiful.But you don’t need to coat your praise in a layer of distance. Just say you like it. You’re allowed to like it. You don’t need a disclaimer.

Because every time someone says "I'm not the target demographic" before giving props to a show like this, it sends a quiet signal that stories about people who aren't white men are somehow niche. That they’re specific and narrow and other. That they’re optional or specialized, while white male stories are just the universal standard the "everyman"

that kind of thinking is part of the problem. It’s why so many Black-led or women-led projects get trashed before they drop. It’s why review bombing happens( For those that don't know, Ironheart was specifically review-bombed before the first episode even dropped. People were flooding various websites with reviews a day or two before the show even had its first episode and before the critic reviews even came out). It's why people act like Kamala Khan has to earn her place ten times harder than Peter Parker ever did.

This isn't to say you can’t talk about race or gender or identity. But just be honest about it. Recognize that your perspective has always been reflected. And understand that for others, it hasn’t. And when we finally get something that centers someone else’s voice, that shouldn’t be seen as a threat to your enjoyment. It shouldn’t need a disclaimer.

It should just be seen for what it is: a good story.

So yeah mane Maybe you're not the target demographic. Welcome to the experience of being a fan of color your whole life. Now that you're here, maybe sit with that instead of narrating it like you're doing something revolutionary.

Just say the show is good.

Because it is.

TL;DR: White men have been the default MCU target audience for over a decade, and the rest of us watched and enjoyed those stories without needing a disclaimer. Now that a show centers a Black girl, y’all feel the need to preface your praise with “I’m not the target demographic” like you’re being generous for enjoying something not made specifically for you. Just say the show is good. You’re still allowed to enjoy stories that aren’t centered on you. We’ve been doing it forever.

Edit:

I am not saying that a show has a specific demographic in so far as that it is only for that demographic. Iron Man is not only for white men, Iron Heart is not only for a black woman. Literally, anyone can enjoy any show. It does not matter if the main characters do not look like you. Nowhere in my post am I saying that people should only watch shows where characters look like them. That is an insane concept and I do not know where y'all are getting that from in some of these comments.

This post is in response to posts like this on Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1lnkyne/i_am_clearly_not_ironhearts_target_demographic/

Only other MCU film that I've seen that happen to post endgame are GOTG3. Idk where the negative word of mouth is coming from but everyone had a blast including me and my wife. Not the best movie in the MCU but certainly entertaining. I went in expecting dog shit according to reddit, but it was actually great. I recommend keeping an open mind with this one

To u/TheAscendedAncient

I work in the movie industry. In a company that works for Marvel. Specifically in this movie.

Whoever you are you are a shame of a man/woman. You just want attention, I can tell because you are putting your username on top of the captures.

But don't worry, Disney will find you and then you will get your REAL KARMA. And the we will also know who you are.

And if you are working in a VFX company like mine... You know the drill, you will be fired, fined and will never come back to ANY other company.

For the rest of you praising this person, you should be ashamed to. You like Marvel movies? Then stop encouraging someone fucking with the movie industry.

No matter how madly you want to see something, in this case the Avengers Infinity War trailer.

With an attitude like this you are encouraging behaviors that can bring not only a movie down, but also condition the ones that will come after.

And playing with all of us artists working in these movies you love to watch and get excited for.

So please, think of what you are doing and think of the consequences.

I'm a fan too.

Be considerate.

EDIT: Holy moose, I had no idea how toxic this Reddit can get. Some "people" have nothing better to do than make wiener jokes like small kids. You are very sad indeed :)

EDIT2: just so you know, when I say toxic I mean those who insult and make fun of others. I take shit from no one and I don't give a fuck about those people. It just doesn't affect me ;)

EDIT3: some people feel entitled to get everything NOW and for FREE. This is a business, kids, and no matter how spoiled you are (pun intended) but these movies you love watching are the result of many people working on them so you can enjoy them.

I think Sam Wilson is a great Captain America, and I don't understand the hate he gets.

Steve chose Sam for a reason, and I think Sam has already proven himself worthy of the shield.

I'm excited Steve is returning in Doomsday, but I hope Marvel doesn't let Steve overshadow Sam. I want Sam to be portrayed as the leader he has become.

I also don't think we need a scene where Sam gives Steve the shield back. Steve already passed the mantle on.

First off for everyone here. I am an MCU superfan. I have rewatched all of their projects multiple times. I show up for everything opening night / release night on Disney+. And, the criticism I have for VisionQuest is NOT new and exclusive for this show alone. It just seems that people with this show, for some reason, are getting in a big twist whenever anyone tries to criticize it whatsoever.

My main complaints are with the writing (mostly dialogue), the directing, and the editing.

The show is doing the same problem as many of the Disney+ shows by showing backstories for so many characters that don't need them, which have little purpose to push the plot forward, or can be expressed without having to grind the overall episode plot to a halt. The latest example of this was Edith's backstory. The plot grinded to a halt to show her backstory. Worst of all, it is "telling", not "showing". They could show Edith's realized connection to her human counterpart in an emotional moment (similar to Jarvis' sacrifice) rather than halting the pacing of the show to visually "explain" why she feels the way she does.

The show is seemingly hand-crafted for someone who is "second screening" it and not paying attention. The characters repeat exposition of the exact thing they are doing in any moment, the editing flashes up "flashbacks" of scenes we literally saw flashbacks to in a prior episode; and SEVERAL cuts of Tommy in Westview, or him drowning in the pool? The first time, sure, to remind the viewers. But do we really need to see those by third, fourth episodes? Does the director lack the understanding of "subtly" and of showing a character is remembering something by their facial expressions, tone, etc? The closest was when Tommy looked at the pool, but even that grinded the pacing to a halt (I can't recall if there were flashbacks in that scene too).

I am not saying that the director and editing team were incompetent. To me, the show just seems very rushed out. An unfinished product. I can SEE what they were going for, and I can enjoy a lot of it, but a lot of these problems make it somewhat grating to watch. As if the show is trying to hold my hand for every plot development, assuming I have the media literacy of a toothpick.

Like I said, I am still ENJOYING the show, but mostly because I am a big Vision / Speed fan. Please understand that me CRITICISING something does not make me a hater of the property. Just a fan who wishes it would have been executed better; especially as Vision is one of my favorite characters. IMO, Agatha and WandaVision had much better directorial spirit and polish than VisionQuest so far. So, much of my disappointment comes from it being the weakest of the trilogy.

Again, many of these complaints I have of several other of the Disney+ shows. But people are surprisingly more defensive on this one, likely because it is the end of the WandaVision trilogy.

So, this is NOT saying that you should not enjoy the show because of my complaints. As I said, I even am enjoying the show (most of the time) despite them. Yet, I feel like the praise for its quality is a bit overstated.

Wow this is the best Disney+ Marvel Show made so far, I already thought that when I finished it on the 1st watch back in 2022.

The show was funny, clever, entertaining, and really fun. It's also well written despite what people may try to tell you.

All the people who came out to hate on She-Hulk before, must have never actually watched the show because this shit was even better on the 2nd watch.

Also CGI was fine. There is literally nothing bad to say about this show 10/10

Edit note: It's apparently still too early to have a civil discussion about this movie. I'm convinced we could end world hunger overnight if people had this much passion toward the real issues. Mods feel free to lock this post as you see fit. I am not engaging any further in this topic as there is no fruitful discussion to be had.

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For some reason this movie wasn't screened at my local theatre. I had to wait for the digital release until I could finally see "The Marvels", and I am glad I did so - instead of taking the opinions of the internet at face value. Now for a breakdown!

Overall Style: The Marvels plays a little different than previous entries. It's light-hearted and wild, yet with an emotional depth rarely explored in superhero-movies. The creative direction feels fresh and unique. With its adventurous and hopeful tone it presents a glimpse of what the next generation of marvel movies could be.

Entertainment value: There is never a dull moment, really: the dialogue is well written; its humorous moments are elegant and on-point; the acting and emotional scenes give sincerity and weight to its characters; action is enjoyable to watch with its creative choreography. The Marvels captures a true comic-book feel - a spectacular venture that will keep you engaged from start to finish.

Music: Laura Karpman's score is one of the highlights in the film. The recurring main theme underscores the hopeful tone of the movie and give you a boost of confidence at each iteration. The rest of the soundtrack is both playful and dynamic, and as a music lover I find myself lost in repeated listenings.

Visuals: The fight-scenes are distinctly creative, the effects are gorgeous, costumes are lively and varied, and the practical effects provide realism to an otherwise "floaty" genre. The general aesthetic seems a bit brighter than other marvel projects - an overall great fit for the positive tone of the film.

Story: The narrative is simple and relatively easy to follow. The themes surrounding Captain Marvel's past choices, dealing with an increasingly heavy burden associated with her powers, was an interesting take that I wish we got to explore more. Aside from a mid-credits scene it is not clear to me how it fits into the greater narrative of the MCU. And perhaps that is a good thing. The story is great on its own, as the self-dependant movie doesn't require any prior knowledge to get into. I hope future marvel movies take note and become less reliant on the increasingly confusing, over-arching story.

Characters: Like the first Avengers I was again surprised to see a well-balanced cast. The main trio is a delight to behold with their evident chemistry and complimenting nature. Nick Fury is a less prominent character here, but he works well within the confines of the story. He shines in every scene, which can actually be said about every other supporting character. They all add something interesting to the movie, be it broadening the scope of the world, or just pure entertainment.

Overall Impression 9/10

- A fantastic homage to the super-hero culture and one of the better entries in the franchise. However, it could have benefitted with a few extra scenes to help flesh out its themes and give us more time with its characters.

In the spirit of The Marvels I have a hopeful outlook of the franchise going forward, and it is my wish that this review can inspire some of you to give this delight of a movie a chance!

Thank you for your time, and good luck on your next marvellous adventure! ;)

First of all, I want to clarify that none of these criticisms have anything to do with the lovely actress that plays Riri Williams, Dominique Thorne. She absolutely crushed it in If Beale Street Could Talk -- her delivery is superb and everything about her portrayal of that character feels authentic and genuine. I haven’t seen Judas and the Black Messiah, but it’s next on my list.

If she’s reading this (and I’m saying this out of my own audacity and patheticness - if I even had 1% the fame of Thorne, I’d be scouring the internet every day for any mention of me - but I have no doubt that she has far better uses and interests for her time), I want to emphasize that not a single criticism here has anything to do with her, and that if they give her something to work with in future films, she will absolutely crush it. Dominique Thorne is a talented and fantastic actress.

Riri Williams is maybe the worst character introduced to the MCU yet. She had no development or journey. The character was nothing more than a McGuffin and…a little racist too.

Okay, I’m being a little clickbaity calling her the worst character yet…but honestly, the character sucked. Hard.

Her only real purpose in the movie is to create the device that initially provokes Talokan -- and that happens entirely offscreen, before the movie even begins. The character of Riri Williams could have all of her screen time completely removed from the movie – and it wouldn’t have any effect on the plot. If the Wakandans and Talokanil met outside in the courtyard of Riri’s college, and Riri simply ran away offscreen - the story would not be affected at all:

• Shuri and Okoye would still battle with Namor and his crew

• Shuri would still be taken to Talokan

• Nakia would still infiltrate Talokan, kill the guard and rescue Shuri

• Namor would still attack Wakanda and kill Queen Ramonda (Riri plays a bit of a McGuffin role here too)

• The Wakandans would still lure the Talokanil to the battle in the ocean

• The fight between Namor and Shuri would still take place - Namor could simply chase Shuri into the spaceship thingy instead of being lured by Ironheart

• The movie would still end with Wakanda and Talokan having an uneasy alliance

The character exerts no influence or effect on anything that happens in the movie. Things happen to Riri, but Riri herself does nothing to affect the progression of the story.

Even worse, the character gets zero development. We learn almost nothing about her backstory or her motivations, except that she’s evidently a whiz kid and has a dad that had a car. Yeah, me too. Well, minus the whiz part - except in my bed until I was 11 (sleepovers sucked). Her personality is poorly developed and shallow, leading me to my next complaint…

The character is kind of racist. Now I'm not saying that to provoke outrage. I'm confident the writers meant well and were trying to create an authentic representation of a young American black person. But IMO, they crossed the line from authenticity into caricaturization. It’s not necessarily the dialogue itself (although it’s part of the problem), but the way they had the character deliver the lines. It often felt over the top and stereotypical. And it really stands in stark contrast to the other characters in the movie that are done so damn well.

I would speculate that maybe Riri didn’t fit in the story that they wanted to tell here. With Chadwick’s death, the story became about T’Challa, his family and his kingdom - and how to mourn and cope with loss. Riri was likely a shoehorned addition because Marvel said it was time to introduce her. That would explain why she’s such an incongruent and empty addition to the movie. It’s a bummer because the handling of that character is the one blemish on what’s otherwise an incredible comic book movie and arguably the best film yet in the MCU. They should have either adjusted the story enough to give Riri proper development, or just waited to introduce her in another movie or project.

IMO, Riri’s introduction in Wakanda Forever is a rare and major miss for Marvel/Disney. Hopefully they do Riri and Thorne the justice they deserve in future movies.

First, my most sincere apologies for it taking so long - So Long for me to write this. As one out of millions of comic book readers and fans, I sometimes get caught up in comparing panel to page when it comes to the MCU. What's written on script to what was written on page. I can honestly admit that in doing so - I can become oblivious to what is right in front of me. Not appreciating it at that moment. That was almost the case for one film in particular. One film in the MCU that was wrongly ill-received by "fans". Simply because it was deemed unfamiliar, obscure, unexpected and unaccustomed. However, those attributes were the very reason this film Should have been seen for what it truly was. A Masterpiece. The one film that attempted to convey a perspective of culture in a universe where everything can be seen from various points of view. From all points in Time, Space, Reality, Mind, Power and Soul. To the dismay of the MCU's lore, this film will not be given the well deserved credit in the assistance in establishing that lore.

With that, I want to take time to express the utmost appreciation to Gemma Chan, Richard Madden, Angelina Jolie, Selma Hayek, Kumail Nanjiani, Lia McHugh, Brian Tyree Henry, Lauren Ridloff, Barry Keoghan and Don Lee. I understand the weight that was laid upon your shoulders when lending your expertise to your roles and again - I Appreciate You for taking that burden and giving it your all. Your performances were superb and will stand the test of time among the others who've portrayed more "known", "popular" and even "iconic" characters in that universe. You may not even fully fathom or understand just what you all have contributed to the overall story that is the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Even so, I wish there was a way for you all to know that I for one am Thankful to you all for bringing a rendition of these innovating characters to the screen how you saw fit. You can hold your heads up high for that accomplishment. Thank you!

Next, I want to thank Chloe Zhao, Patrick Burleigh, Ryan and Kaz Firpo. You guys gave us something that many "fans" were not ready for at the time. A film that transcends what we thought, believed and damn-near worship from time to time. Though no one will ever admit that. What you gave us was a gift and like most children...it was not appreciated in transition. I can only hope that by now and as time passes, there will be others who can look back and see the vision, the concept and the idea that was written, produced and directed for us to watch, receive and comprehend. You guys did Nothing wrong. To attempt to take these characters and use them as a medium to help build bridges that connect various cultures, civilizations, customs and societies - all while developing and telling a story that takes us beyond the boundaries of what we think to know of this world was a gamble that just might pay off later than preferred. Thank You!

Last, Thank you Ramin Djawadi. For your offering and supplementing this film with the appropriate soundtrack and scores to assist in making this film as majestic and it was presented to be. The combination of sounds, chords, instruments and notes used in this movie pulled me from the beginning and I can also admit...was the contributing factor towards my consensus of the film. Of course there were Many hands involved with this project. These are the individuals that I would "personally" thank if ever given the opportunity. Again, we can all sit and pick a part the film and get into the "why didn't they", the "how come they didn't" and the "should haves". But to me, to Me, Eternals will be one of Marvel Studios quietly kept treasures. Thank You!

#MCU #MarvelStudios #Eternals #BeforeAndBeyond

I don’t know how I haven’t thought about this until this rewatch, but Tony and Bruce literally created technology that destroyed an entire region of a country.

Imagine if Elon Musk did that. Not only would he be in jail for the rest of his life, multi-billionaire NYC-saving nuclear missile diverter or no, he would also be hated by the public forever. Instead of any real legal consequences, Tony only has to deal with the Sokovia Accords in Civil War. I get that this is a comic book movie franchise and you have to embrace a certain level of yada-yada-ing to enjoy it, but come on.

Firstly, the Accords are enacted upon the Avengers as a whole. They have nothing to say about the two guys who are responsible for the destruction of an entire region and the death of untold thousands. I get that Tony has built up a bus load of public goodwill after fighting for NYC and all the other world-saving deeds he’s done as Iron Man, but I’m sorry, those would not and should not be considered when meting out a punishment for the crime of creating Ultron and destroying Sokovia.

What kills me most of all about the whole thing is that Civil War shows us comparatively harmless people like Clint Barton, Scott Lang, and Sam Wilson locked up in a super-max sci-fi sea prison while the guy who just leveled the MCU-equivalent of Serbia just flies away in his private helicopter with a smirk and a wave. It’s nuts.

I have enjoyed a lot of the new phase of Marvel and I don't understand why a lot of the movies or shows have gotten the criticism that they have, but this was just absolute garbage in my opinion.

There was no flow at all and it was seemingly set up more like a movie than a TV series. I didn't feel excitement at all and every thing felt incredibly anticlimactic. It was also extremely unfortunate to see what they turned Kingpins character into. Vincent D'Onofrio has built that character into something quite special with his acting and they absolutely ruined it. Of course this is just my opinion but I truly did not like that show at all.

I saw a post around 2019 saying that the Russo brothers stated that shuri is the smartest (if this is false, let me know) how is she smarter than Tony...who made his own element, made a suit strong enough to make thanos bleed, replicate a gauntlet powerful enough to hold all the stones, AND INVENT a time machine.

I can understand NOW if shuri's the smartest since he's dead and it's been a few years so she's gained more knowledge, but back then??? I don't believe that she was smarter than Tony. Tony did all this with his own resources...while shuri did it in Wakanda with the most advance tech and scientists in the world...u give Tony a week in that lab, he's making something beyond our reach of reality.

EDIT- I'm done replying lol, I'm just gonna be linking this as my argument since everyone's trying their best to minimize what Tony did and find excuses to say shuri, it's like this sub shits on Tony lol

I recently watched Eternals after a serious movie binge on Disney plus. My most recent being multiverse of madness. There's a certain, underappreciated refinement that Eternals delivers that other Marvel films don't.

I've also had like, 10 glasses of wine so my assessment may be overinflated. But still, Eternals is something special that other Marvel films don't offer, despite the reviews it has received.

I am by no means a movie snob, but really, there's something special about this one. Or I might have had one too many drinks. Idk, this is just how I feel bro.

Over the past few days I’ve noticed a growing number of redditors that I’d like to dub as spoilerphobes based on how particular they are about “spoilers”. Granted they are just a small minority for the time being, but now is a good time as any to clarify what does and does not constitute as a spoiler. (Before we begin read Rule 1 as a brief refresher)

Folks, if something is shown off in trailers/Tv spots/clips or confirmed in an interview by any of the cast and crew PRE-release it is not a spoiler. Secondly, Movie studios like to use trades such as Variety, The Hollywood Reporter and Deadline as mouthpieces. Disney is no exception. If something is confirmed by the trades it is not a spoiler because if Disney or another studio considered it a spoiler they would have prevented the trades from posting an article of it in the first place.

As an Example the 3 trades confirmed multiple actors returning for NWH such as Benedict, Alfred Molina and Jamie Foxx but the trades never confirmed Peter 2,3 or Matt Murdock to be in the film prior to release.

Daredevil was revealed to be in She-hulk in the second trailer. Daredevil appearing in the show is not a spoiler. Namor being the antagonist of Wakanda Forever is not a spoiler. Tchalla being dead is not a spoiler. Kevin Feige said all the way back in December 2020 they would not be recasting T’challa.

Admittedly the amount of scoopers and smaller sites revealing information that marvel doesn’t want audiences to know pre-release has increased over the past year and it can get confusing how to discern spoilers especially since this knowledge is more easily widespread. But since that’s the case, what does constitute as a spoiler then? Well that’s easy, stuff that isn’t revealed in the marketing,announcements,interviews or by trades.

As for after release? Well refer back to Rule 1 and make sure to spoilerproof your posts and comments properly in accordance.

I understand some of you want to avoid trailers and marketing and go in completely blind. You are well in your rights to do so, but at the same time officially revealed plot details are fair game for the subreddit to talk about.

I've always loved Captain Marvel and I'm tired of hearing that it's not good. They did a damn fine job with it. Obviously it doesn't compete with Iron Man 1, Civil War, or Winter Soldier, for example. But it's along the ranks of Ragnarok, Age of Ultron, Black Panther, Shang Chi.

People complained that Carol didn't show emotion in the film. Did they even watch it? She very clearly jokes and shows emotion in the beginning and Yon-Rogg scolds her for it repeatedly. Then throughout the rest of the film she still displays her humorous side at times.

The film shows a very well developed relationship/Friendship between Nick Fury and Carol that was nice to see. Which we continued to feel in the sequel as well

They did a well written twist on the Skulls being the villains at first. And with the villains, I thought The Kree and the Supreme Intelligence being the real bad guys was well executed. The problems that DID stem from it were mainly from the sequel (The Marvels). But they fleshed out every "villain" character enough that was necessary (Skills and Kree).

Every character that was included in the film was great. Maria Rambeau was amazing, I really hope we get to see more of her, even if it's a multiverse variant given her fate in the MCU timeline.

Talos turned out to be such a great character it made most of us fans angry when he was killed off in another project.

The film had enough great action scenes, runtime didn't overstay its welcome.

Brie Larson did a damn fine job as Carol. Obviously with a character like here, she's very overpowered so they need story elements that help handle that.