First episode, and it's a bit silly at first, but whatever. Then the first fight happens. WHAT. THE. FUCK. This is not the Macross/Robotech (sorry but that's I first learned of Macross in 1984 or so) I've grown with for 40 some odd years.

OK, well, just saw the second fight scene. The music was definitely pretty hyped up and the action was 100% on point, I will say that. This is giving me whiplash from awesome to terrible and back again way to much.

I just hope this isn't as bad as Macross 7. I have vowed to never watch it again after my second viewing a year ago.

I mean. Macross has, ugly drawings and poor animation in some parts, because of budget. But the good parts are amazing. It's not bright, it's coloured as normal people. It has too many facets that get overlooked. Like, how do you deal with maturing during a war, or how do life makes you go on different directions. The duality of the anti war, but we need to protect us conflict. Losing people. And then you have the love triangle, singing and mecha. Those are kind of the cherry on top. Try to be the captain of a ship that the government is trying to dismiss as destroyed and being the sole responsible person for an entire city. How dp ypu deal with your way of life, when you discover there is life beyond war? Besides macross plus, every other thing is worse. I mean wtf is a guy doing on a vf with a guitar? I'm really dissapointed on how the characters are treated after. Is like they made a gundam and then they failed to do gundam z, forever. I'm gonna get flamed here bc of this. But the story pf robotech, even though it has so many plot holes and things that dont make sense, that is hard to get inmersed, but the story is better. At least it tries to become one epic trilogy. A tragic one at that.

Well, at least there is macross, and macross movie, and plus. I even like macross 2 and zero. But the series put me off so much. I want like a mature series like this one. With layers.

I'm not halfway through the movie, and I'm already bugged by three different things (20 minutes in to be precise).

How is Cassim alive? Why doesn't Freyja remember anything about the letters Hayate's father sent when he opened all of it in front of her, and they even took turns saying a letter as the Anime ended.

And why doesn't she suddenly not know that Hayate's dad is a pilot (or why did she randomly have a need to confirm otherwise?) Sorry if this sounds like nitpicking, but I'm bugged off.

I desperately want to get into Macross. I grew up on the old school Gundam series and I want to give SDF Macross a chance. But the franchise is huge and it's different from most mech series. What's do great about it?

Last month I first watched SDF and fell in love with it.

As soon as finished typing that, I started on my next watch: Macross Plus. Then I rewatched it. Then I watched the actual 4 OVAs to see the differences.

I loved SDF's story and character, its sounds and looks, it encapsuled a certain era of anime, one that fit the story it was telling of being stranded and finding one's way home despite adversity. Plus took that and swapped the very basis. Rather than a long form story about travel, it's a short one about going past the boundaries of the past. It has hands down some of the best characters out there and what might be my all time favorite cockpit designs. And that art! The peak of what would become early 00s overdrawn perfection, I adore it!

The characters are so deep and flawed (in the best way) and real that the short runtime doesn't hurt them, and in fact avoid them being ruined by stupid padding. Exploring trauma was something that SDF clearly and willfully avoided (makes sense as a product of its time), whilst Plus relished in it. The exploration of the past through the ripples it had rather than spending whole episodes showing what happened (I even forgive the one flashback as it makes sense in the scene) is very well done and keeps the suspense tight, makes you doubt who the good guy is, making the reveal just the more interesting. This is the theme Plus explores and revels in, and it does so with such gusto and talent that you don't even realize it until it hits you with a brick the size of a battlecruiser.

The soundtrack's departure from the original style also fit the aesthetics and story so well. Sharon's new age tribal songs are now part of my regular discography and catapulted themselves at the top of my Macross OST collection. It accompanies the new art direction, pushing so far past the sketch like quality of the original, making it clear that time has passed both in and out of the TV, that this is more mature, more polished and more complete. I can show a still of the movie or OVA to my friends and they'll all ask what this artpiece is, because each shot is actually composed like an actual movie, with an artistic eye to the composition and meaning of each frame.

I adore Plus. It left the Macross collection to land on my all time favorite shows of its own.

This was all in one day, one Macross filled day of joy. But it all came to brutal end the next.

Because the next day I started 7.

So I've watched a lot of anime since I was a teen. Not big series, but a lot of them, some known some not so much. And in the mass of stuff I've watched, I've never before HATED a show like I do Macross 7.

I came in full of hope and joy and thinking this would likely be one of my favorites since I knew it gave the one thing Plus didn't that I love, lore. That hope and joy was dashed in the first episode, then completely deleted by the second.

Terrible characters, horrible art, mediocre to bad soundtrack, absolutely no storytelling... It took me a week of forced hatewatching, fueled by the hope that the people online saying "it gets better after the first 10/20 episodes" (which in and of itself is a terrible red flag) to finish it and finally settle on chosing to never again watch anything related to this shitshow. I'll gladly and happily rewatch Plus and SDF, but I am not going to allow 7 anymore time ever again.

Static characters that get no development in 50 episodes is a crime. The only two that get some progress (Gamlin and Gigil, must be the G names...) barely get above the ground. The two characters with potential for an actually good story and progress only refuse to grow and stop being annoying cliches. Giving none of Basara's actual background as to why he thinks he can move that mountain makes him just sound like a mentally unwell person, which to be fair was already well established by episode 3. Sivil remains to the end a screeching banshee that has no personality or point, rather than become a hinge between humanity and the protodevilns. The rest of the cast is also insultingly one note, showing no growth or interesting traits. I was interested by the idea of seeing Max and Milla later in life, only to have their relationship ruined (which is fine... if it is explained!), making their sacrifices prior to this meaningless. The only one I liked (from ep1, and since no one changes in the whole show she remained at the top) was Veffidas, the clearly baddass silent drummer. And the flower girl who I chose to believe is some eldritch monstrosity cosplaying as a human to fuck with the crew because without it the show's too boring to even watch.

SDF was about overcoming adversity in survival and reaching across the aisle. Plus was about dealing with trauma and not letting it control one's world. 7 has no theme. It's about an idiot thinking he has superpowers and the universe bending over backwards to make him be right. It's not about "the power of song", it's about actual superpowers. The power of song would be if Gamlin actually started to enjoy Basara's tunes despite himself and find himself missing it, rather than have the same reaction I get when I'm exposed to it once tied to a chair and forced to endure it on loop. It's not about helping others connect with their humanity, it's about craming your shitty superpower down their throat till their have to ascend to escape it. 7 has no soul behind what it says, and it shows.

I can forgive the cheapness of the show. Animation costs a lot, so reusing some shots makes sense on a budgeted show (which 7 clearly was), but when half an episode is just reused canned animation, you're starting to stretch my limits. Poor music is also forgivable... when your show isn't about a band! Playing the same song for all 50 episodes removes all impact it might have. Having 4 songs total for that runtime is insulting, and having no marking soundtrack outside of those 4 is just plain sad. Dumbing down the artstyle can also be explained by external budget cuts (which I'm choosing to believe is what happened rather than people choosing to create this pile of crap of their own free will), but the decision to make the mecha be stupid? I'm sure there was a push to sell more Macross figures when the show came out, but this feels more like they were trying to sell them and thus had to make a cheap, shitty show to help sell them, rather than vice versa. Macross' whole "our robots are just machines, they're not special" got ruined within the first episode and only got worse as the show plodded on. I refuse to even acknowledge the guitar controls, that's the level of stupid that erases itself from reality.

But I came in and suffered through it for the hope of lore, so what did I get? Less than 6 minutes of vague, unclear and hillariously bad explanations. I had hoped to get explanations as to why Sharon had that suspicious third eye and those mind control abilities, or what the link between the Supervision Army and the Protodeviln was. Maybe some background as to how humanity was made (which I think is still saved by being told in Zero, we'll see)? Instead I got a handwave that the Protoculture was eradicated by superdimentional parasites. Okay... and? Zentradis go ape when a Protodeviln walks by. Okay... and? Nope, that's it, nothing more.

I don't mind when a better show leaves you with more questions than answers, it can be seen as the mark of a good show, making you think and reflect on things. Instead, this promises a lot and delivers on nothing, barely giving us info on the stuff it itself introduced (I'm given to understand Frontier actually explains the whole Spiritia bullshit better).

7 is insulting. 7 left me in a worse mental place than I was in when I started it. 7 turned me off Macross for over a month after I forced myself to finish it.

Where SDF instilled hope in the serie, and Plus made me happy and more than hyped for what came next, 7 actively when and hunted down any love I might have for Macross and anime as a whole and killed it.

I have finally decided to breathe and started Frontier yesterday. 2 episodes in and (besides a quick flashback due to some firebomber shit on the radio at the start of ep2) so far I'm feeling better. I can already tell Frontier has SOUL. I can only hope it retains it in the long run, because I am not ready to suffer through another 7.

I'm sorry, I need to vent here. I have read so much hype and positive reviews on the Macross Delta: Movie, I decided to give it one more try... by one more try I mean, I watched the series and I couldn't watch past episode 3 without vomiting hating it. 20 minutes into the movie...

Yep, still wanted to vomit hated it. It's SOOOO bad! How could this beloved IP get treated so poorly?! I love the Macross Universe in all it's incarnations! Even Macross 7, while not a stellar addition to the series, was better than this Sailor Moon wannabe knock off.

I'm sorry, if you liked it, please, by all means, keep liking it. I am not trying to change anyone's opinion, I'm just exercising my right to say that if Macross Delta just disappeared from the face of the planet... I wouldn't miss it. In fact, I would probably break out into song, dance, and have a Valkyrie dance next me... and it will still be a better story than this trash Macross Delta.

Hi fellow Macross fans, I’ve always missed the gritty, realistic military SF tone of Macross Plus and the early series. I felt like the recent entries leaned a bit too much into the lighthearted school/harem/idol tropes, so I came up with this movie-format fan concept. It explores the dark side of the UN Spacy trying to institutionalize and weaponize Sound Energy (via the Jamming Birds project) right after the events of Macross 7. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this setup.

Title (Working): Super Dimension Fortress Macross: The Liar Doll

Timeline: Set immediately after Macross 7, during the era when the UN Spacy begins the experimental deployment of the 'Jamming Birds' unit to quantify and weaponize Sound Energy.

1. Logline

A gritty, military SF ensemble drama that directly subverts the recent school-life/harem clichés of the Macross franchise, exposing the brutal reality where the "Power of Song" is strictly institutionalized and controlled as a tactical military weapon.

2. Characters & Conflict Structure

Heroine 1 (The Reluctant Genius Vocalist): Dreamed of being a pilot, but was forcefully drafted into service as a vocalist due to her off-the-charts Sound Energy levels. She possesses a sharp duality between her manufactured idol persona (standard dialect) and her rebellious true self (rough regional dialect).

Male Lead (The Gaslit Ace Pilot): A machine-like soldier who lost his sense of self under the suffocating gaslighting of his military family legacy. He was originally paired as Heroine 1's wingman.

Heroine 2 (The Grounded Dreamer): Aspired to be a singer but, facing the wall of talent and financial limitations, enlisted as a pilot instead. She fills Heroine 1’s vacant spot as the wingman and undergoes a brutal, grounded arc of personal growth.

3. Main Plotline (Feature Film Format)Inciting Incident:

Exhausted by endless warfare (SDF-1, Plus, 7), the military capitalizes on their most proven asset: song. To expedite the end of the war, they quantify Sound Energy and draft vocalists as 'tactical weapons.' Heroine 1 is dragged onto the stage, while Heroine 2 claims the vacant wingman position next to the Male Lead. The two heroines clash bitterly, serving as active catalysts for each other's trauma.

Rising Action: A veteran Commander—who served as a surrogate father to the Male Lead—is abruptly killed when the bridge is obliterated in a flash, leaving no chance for reconciliation (reflecting the stark realism of the battlefield). Plunged into a panic, the Male Lead launches into a suicidal charge.

Crisis: Desperate to save him, Heroine 1 breaks military protocol for the first time, singing from her true heart. Though she saves his life, both are immediately court-martialed and thrown into solitary confinement for defying orders.

Climax: In their absence, Heroine 2 is thrust into the role of temporary squad leader. She endures the hellish frontlines, awakening to the true weight of command and responsibility. As the war hits its catastrophic nadir, the high command lifts the disciplinary locks and demands, "Can you truly end this war?" The pilots sortie on their own free will.

Resolution: They bring an end to the conflict with the theme song "The Liar Doll." Heroine 2, teary-eyed but resolute, gracefully steps back and tells the two to make it work—a mature execution that subverts the typical messy love triangle.

I sincerely apologize, but due to machine translation, the phrasing may be unnatural or contain errors.

"Settle down and hearten back to the Clan Invasion, Hayate Immelmann . Gone was the United Nations Government for over several centuries, done in by the Usurper, Stefan Amaris. Now in it's place were several factions squabbling over who should become First Lord of the United Nations Government , the most powerful of the factions being concentrated in the Inner Sphere. And there's us: the Kingdom of the Wind of Windermere IV, who decided to uhh...do some self determination when the whole United Nations Government fell apart. Of course, we decided to isolate ourselves from the rest of the Protoculture's children fighting in the Succession Wars. Then the Clans came...."

"Descendants of the UN Spacy forces that went with General Aleksandr Krensky after the fall of the UN, the Clans cut a swathe through the Inner Sphere in an attempt to reach Earth. In the path of the Clan known as Clan Smoke Jaguar's path to Earth was our planet; Windermere IV. They decided to issue a 'batchall' to us and fight them in honorable combat. Their superior technology shattered even the Aerial Knights and as no one likes getting occupied, we fought them, for several long years, sacrificing even our once cherished honor code to kick them out of our world, nearly destroying our world in what we now call the Sack of Windermere IV . But the Clans unknown to them laid the seeds to their own defeat. They overstretched themselves, travelling from their Clan World far away to the Inner Sphere, resulting in their supply lines being spread thin. Worse, their honor code and the competition between the Clans meant that they screwed themselves over when it comes to unleashing their might on the way to Earth."

"Their honor code in particular bit them in the ass. It tied up their military forces and limited their tactics. Worse according to what I've heard, their 'bidding' system also further restricted what forces they have. Everyone went all out to hit the Clans hard regardless of whatever perceived honor , ranging from those Lyrans just declaring a lance of Urbanmechs*, a squadron of their best VF-19 pilots and 2 recon lances of Atlases and Queadlunn Raus to a Clan force issuing a batchall in a city on one of their planets, only for the Clan to be trounced by the Urbie's performance in city environments and the force to realize too late that House Steiner had a habit of over-arming their recon lances* to us spiking our water and food supplies to the Smoke Jaguar occupiers with a Protoculture bioweapon that we Windermerans are immune to but, well it drove the humans and Zentraedi in their forces berserk . Turns out, when you implement a honor code to stop wars from breaking out and to conserve resources, you shoot yourselves in the foot. Funny that we Windermereans were taught that by the Clans"

"Of course, everyone in the Inner Sphere and their allies got together into the second United Nations Government and together with ComStar and us, kicked their asses in a Trial of Refusal that ended the invasion. We Windermereans realized that maybe we should be forming allies amongst the Inner Sphere to help us in case shit goes down would be possibly best for us, not to mention phasing out chivalry as a concept in the modern battlefield. The former prevented us from a second Sack of Windermere IV by the Word of Blake after the second UN Government was dissolved and the Jihad started, but that's a story for another time."

*You got to have our favorite walking trashcan in a Battletech crossover.

*And you think that I would'nt mention the famous Steiner Scout Lance meme as well.

First of, i apologise for brining this topic up again, as i understand this discussion must be very tiring for a lot of you guys, but despite the countless discourse i've seen online regarding the legal ownership of macross/robotech, no one has been able to fully explain this inconsistency in the legal proceedings within the agreement reached a few years back between the two companies

How can Robotech exist as a separate ip? The supreme court or the EU has ruled that "Macross" and "Robotech" are separate ip's entirely, and thus, legal ownership of them is reserved to their original creators. But if robotech were to count as separate ip, this would make its usage of the 41 characters of the original macross, and its trademark, illegal, as Harmony gold (extends to tatsukano) has never held legal ownership of the ip nor its trademark, but the mere ownership of the publishing/distribution rights. To use the contaniances of the work they had the rights to publish to create new works was completely out of their legal allowance,does this not mean BIG WEST has legal right to sue HG for their usage of their ip and trademark?

This is a clear contradiction within the ruling, robotech is either just a publishing of an existing IP, or a completely different ip, these cannot exist simultaneously and in this case, ruling was made that it is in fact, a separate ip, meaning the legal ownership of the distribution rights NO LONGER APPLIES.

Here is mine rating

1.Macross 7 + movies and specials

2.Macross delta and movie 2 zettai live

3.Sdf Macross and Macross Frontier + movies and specials are kinda tie

4.Macross zero

5.Macross lovers again

6 Do you remember love

7.Macross Plus + plus movie version

Please tell me Mylene gets less annoying? I cannot handle her immaturity - like I get she's a kid, but there's a level of... I don't know....over the top naivety?

Is it supposed to be cute? Endearing?

Everyone else in the show has something awesome about them... Except her IMO, but I could just not be seeing what I'm supposed to seeing with her character.

This is a 5 episode OVA which serves as a prequel to the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross anime series. It was also the first Macross anime of the current millennium. And I thought it was...okay. Like many prequels to popular stories I don't think it was necessary, and I don't think it added anything substantial, but it also didn't destroy anything and was mostly pretty enjoyable. I really enjoyed the slick, washed out art style and animation. It looks very different compared to anything that came before. I'm wondering if these types of anime visuals were common at this time, around 2002, because I've definitely seen other anime of the time that looked similar to it too. It also had a romance that while not great, was okay. I also found the indigenous culture in the series mildly interesting.

11/28 UPDATE:

Okay, after hearing from you all (and, for the most part, politely telling me I'm an idiot, which I probably needed to hear), I'm going to recant/retract my opening post. Don't blame the store, when its the shipper being slow. Got it.

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Ordered stuff direct from the Tamashii store in Japan and 1999.co.jp - Super parts for my VF-31 Mirage (Tamashii) and the new Max Jenius VF-29 (1999). Both on Nov 16th and shipped via DHL that day. They arrived on Nov 20th in the evening.

Ordered a second VF-29 as a christmas present for a friend (I could only order 1 per household via 1999's site, and everyone else was out) via USA Gundam Store's website the next day, on Nov 17th, and had no options but to use flat rate FedEx.

So far its gone from Florida (their store) to Tennessee, Tennessee to Ohio, Ohio to (currently sitting in) New Mexico, and I'm up in Washington state. It still hasn't arrived (Nov 27th). It supposedly will get here either the 28th or 29th, according to FedEx.

Yeah. . . .

Additionally, Amiami is even faster than Tamashii or 1999. I pre-ordered the Tomahawk destroid through them and paid for it Nov 1st. It was on my desk Nov 3rd, that morning. Currently its poised standing over a knocked down SV-51.

I have a feeling that the Clans from BattleTech would make for better antagonists for Macross than the current Macross rogues lineup because they are humanity (and for a Macross cross, they would incorporate the children of the Protoculture such as the Windermerans into their group as well) that due to interstellar distances, lack of resources on their home worlds and isolation managed to evolve into a culture completely alien from their progenitors, making them a fresh take on the human-like aliens in fiction that Macross is fond of.

This would also play into the culture theme that Macross has as the Clans are biologically human (or Zolan, Zentraedi, etc in this cross ) but due to the cultural drift involved in interstellar colonization and slowness in travel due to the length needed to prepare for fold space travel , they evolved a culture that would be considered alien to mainstream culture in the New United Nations government such as the Clans' honor code (zellbringen, bidding down and issuing batchalls.... you get the idea ) being considered a violation of common sense by the rest of the NUNS but evolved due to the relative lack of resources in Clan space.

Moreover, it allows for the original idea of music being a tool of culture that is used to bridge cultural/communication gaps between different groups , more similar to that in Frontier and SDF Macross rather than in 7 or Delta where the music theme is used to handwave things such as Sprita or treating Vars Syndrome. Here, music would be used to bridge the gaps between the cultures of the the New United Nations Government and the Clans but military force still has to be used to stop the Clan Invasion once enough knowledge of how the Clans work is gained from them.

The two designs do not look alike at all, where did his sweet tan go? Am i the only one that has questioned this? (That is what roy focker looks like in macross zero)

• I hate using music as a pacification mechanic/weapon

• I don't care about the idols in a military setting

• A lot of the Kawamori designs are messy (e.g., things don't fold up nicely)

• I like the Macross II mechs

Six years ago, Matteo Watzky published an analysis of gender roles in Gundam and Macross, but I'm going to focus mostly on his take on the latter, and especially on how he analyses Misa Hayase.

Watzky argues that Macross tries to "teach" its main female characters, Minmay and Misa, how to be feminine, and reading it gave me the "oh nice, another guy speaking for women without them and instead of them." He may be well-intentioned, thinking his take on Macross is a feminist ally’s takedown of a “patriarchal” show, but how feminist is his post, really?

Methodologically, he's already been called out - he ignored already existing and available extended canon material that provides context on how Misa became the person we see in SDFM ep. 1 – and I mean Misa Hayase: White Reminiscences, which has been translated by Gubaba and became widely available to fans and scholars through his blog four years before he wrote this essay, as well as the audio drama Distantly Fading Memories, shere she laments her trauma- and grief-induced emotional restraint and struggles with the gendered expectations she has to put up with. He misinterpreted many scenes from SDFM and ignored others, then conflated the canonical TV series with DYRL?, which is an in-universe UN Spacy propaganda film like Pearl Harbor or Saving Private Ryan.

Worse still, for someone who postures as a huge feminist ally, he did something very patriarchal: he erased Misa's voice. In his diatribe, we don't see him quoting or paraphrasing Misa's words and thoughts. He didn't let her speak; instead, he spoke over her and instead of her.

He pretended that Misa's true character is the lonely workaholic we see in episodes 1-6, while her whole presence in Macross (White Reminiscences, SDFM, Distantly Fading Memories, FB2012) shows a young woman who had to throw herself into her work and duty because that was all she was left with - everything else was stolen from her before the series started. He ignored her double grief from the losses or Riber and her mother, the trauma of losing trust and confidence in her father because of his absence during these losses and because of his machinations to put her at the illegally low age of 14 in the military academy, exposing her to allegations of nepotism (and nepotism-related bullying, in fact). He also ignored that the show didn't reward others' bad behaviour towards her - especially Hikaru's.

His greatest indictment, though, at least in my eyes, is how he pretended episode 36 of SDFM never existed. This particular episode (among many others) demolishes his "Macross teaches Misa to be a stereotypical subservient wife in order to be validated." Misa never needed to be validated by anyone - she was a fan favourite already in 1983 because of her professional competence.

In fact, if anyone does any kind of validating of others, that’s Misa in episode 36 - the one I said Watzky chose to ignore. In this episode Global assigned Misa to be the Captain of humankind’s first ever long-range space emigration fleet. And why did Global do that? Because Misa, who’s always held serious command posts in SDFM, proved she’s competent and ethical. Unlike her father, who threw the Macross to the wolves, fabricated a hogwash story about the fate of the ship and South Ataria, and wouldn’t listen to her pleas for an effort at peaceful resolution with the Zentradi.

The scene at Hikaru's place is even more telling: Hikaru and Minmay were both lost - Hikaru was feeling suffocating, Minmay was emotionally and artistically drained. They were both about to abandon their dreams and who they were. And then came Misa, to announce she’d be leaving. In detailing the grand project of spreading humankind and culture, and protecting both from extinction, without killing, she shook them both to their cores - especially Hikaru, to whom she finally found the courage to confess, but only as a way of getting closure. In telling Minmay she loved her songs and urging her to take care of them, she validated Minmay, who was about to quit singing altogether. And Hikaru ran after her, because she gave him purpose and acceptance of his identity.

After the final battle, when Minmay walked up to Misa and Hikaru and asked Misa if she’d let her come on board her ship once she was able to sing her true songs, i.e. once she’d found her own voice, we saw another magnificent moment that Watzky conveniently ignored: Misa gladly accepted, delivering the legendary “together, we’ll let your songs echo through the galaxy” answer.

Misa didn’t “discover” some sort of femininity she didn’t have; she always had femininity, warmth, kindness, consideration for others in her. She suppressed her vulnerability to survive. The show has her regain contact with what she’d hidden under layers of armour, and it makes her the true emotional and moral driver. She pulled up both Hikaru and Minmay back up. The body language between the two women in FB2012 speaks volumes.

But no, Watzky had to cherry-pick, make a patchwork of canonical material and in-universe propaganda (again, DYRL? is to Macross what Pearl Harbor is to WW2 History), ignore or suppress a majority of scenes that don't fit his narrative, and put a gag in Misa's mouth so her own voice and thoughts, as we witnessed them in SDFM and other sources, won't be heard. Oh, and one last thing: he gave Gundam a wide berth by acknowledging sociopolitical norms of its time, but made no such concessions with Macross.

For example here's my ideal variable fighter:

Base Design: VF-25 Messiah (But have the flight characteristics of the PW-MK1 from Project Wingman)

Colour schemes: White with Blue, Gold and Black highlight trims

Abilities: Fly underwater.

Invisible from detection.

Hacking enemy equipment.

VTOL (Fighter Mode can hover without going into GERWALK or Battleriod Mode).

Can make self repairs.

Upgrades/Modifications to the body: Add Vibranium (Marvel comics) to body.

Energy force fields for added protection.

COFFIN System in the cockpit.

Inertial dampeners.

Upgrades/Modifications for engines: Adds Space Fold Technology allowing for FTL travel, powered with a powerful unlimited self-sufficient core.

Upgrades/Modifications for weapons Adds a system generate any weapon from a subspace storage unit as well as carrying unlimited ammunition.

Weapons:

1: Micro-missiles both short and long range.

2: Multirole Rilfe (Switching between Assault Rifle, Shotgun and Sniper Rifle)

3: Two Lightsaber with energy shield.

4: Nose mounted energy guns (Fighter Mode only)

5: Mini Heavy Quantum and Dimension Eater bombs/Missiles.

6: Ion Cannons

7: Sanic Charges (STAR WARS)

And finally it will still have both the armour sets (Armour, Super and tornado).

Are there plans for another "adult" Macross?

I'm just asking a question.