After Timothy Hutton was cleared of all those charges that were brought against him regarding a rape how many people think that he should’ve been rehired? I know it is suing I never could find any kind of outcome about that, but he was so good on the show and they killed him off in redemption.

I am still under the opinion of too much Breanna. She like does it all. I’m sick of her showing up and being the “Superman” to all the team’s problems.

So yeah, a review of the series, Leverage redemption is a pale imitation of the show Leverage. infact its a step down for the most part. taking place a good while since the end of season five and the group had separated. THe writers had the dumbest idea of Killing off Nathan Ford. The leader of the team, (Which I normally never mind killing characters off if they do it properly the writers were lazy and didn't do it right.) and Sophia is left to pick up the pieces when the old crew comes back and needs help. they take her on a con where they manage to meet Noah Whyles character, and Hardison sister. (they have names but these two are barely worth remembering their names. Noah being at least the better actor of the two with his excellent Role in the Librarians and Knock off hardison barely holding her own.) As they go on and aperform Con's.

Now trending the fact people have told me time and time again these cons are supposed to be more elaborate or darker with worst villains from the original show. I will have to call bull shit, one of them was a guy making an algorithm for facial recognition, the same kind used by the heroes at times and the normal government. So it's more hypocritical that they go after a program. then adding in that half the cons are so utterly predictable.

in fact it would have been more interesting than if the team had lost a few lost of a good friend causing them to slip up a few times, the bad guy's getaway which would have added more to these villains is more dangerous and far more realistic then the old show. But nope half the time they just bull shit their own way. (Sure the old show bullshit a lot but at least it was wild and more original.) An example is from the card game episode where the magic of friendship which was far more insulting to the audience then in the old show. where one bullshit way they won was using a drill (the gold job) But at least with that one it was Hardison making the con so hard and convoluted that it actually got them caught. So it was a loss, till some bullshit and it was kind of funny.

Then the fact that the character growth is not at all interesting we get two new characters which sure fresh faces. That should be fun. But what we get are two bland failures of better more interesting characters.

Knock off Hardison. The sister of Hardison which I'm sorry was a mistake she is boring, not interesting and is just there to replace Hardison because he was removed because his actor couldn't be on set. (They used a lazy excuse to remove him. by claiming he needed to fix an economy like really he couldn't do that behind a computer he had to be there what was it he needed to count all the money by hand.) Now her, I don't like she's not interesting and serves as the girl hacker who somehow younger than our lovable nerd is far better than him. and is now the best friend of Parker as she trains her in being a thief and this and that. She is not interesting. there is the illusion of her being that way but it isn't they claim oh she has flaws. No those are not flaws they just go with oh she doesn't seem better then Hardison. When she hacked a computer using a damn human. She is just the dime store version of Hardison with the excuse of oh I'm Hardison's baby sister. (Lazy writing there.)

Adding in Noah's character I'm sorry but the guy is barely rememberable. While Noah's character is the better actor he is actually more forgettable than knock-off Hardison. Since she has the illusion of doing stuff. really this guy does nothing I can even remember. he's boring and all and this guy is our replacement Nate basically. (those who claim he isn't is lying. the guy has a kid an ex-wife wants to do better for himself and help others being the good guy he's diet, Nate. and somehow flirts with Sophia who minds you in this series her husband had just died!) Seriously they couldn't have gotten mark Shepard for a few episodes at least the guy is more charming Noah sadly is better as a librarian.

The original crew does fine they're playing their roles well. though Parker's character feels like they wrote her back in season two and has regressed more so. then the supposed leader Nate Trained her to be. Sophie did fine I believed her in the first episode as the grieving wife lost and missing her husband till they just dropped that feeling and even had the balls to have her go, welp I moarned long enough and toss her ring for Noah's character it appears in the end. Hardison when he was on. was by far the best part of the show, Age of the geek baby. but sending him out in the beginning sucked. though the finally bringing him back was by far the best part. Eliot, he hit people he was fine. never get enough of our punching cowboy lol.

Nate, now that is what sucked because of the accusations (Which has been thrown out of court.) he wasn't allowed on the show, so the writers had the idiotic idea of killing him off. No respect to the character just oh he died. which is an insult, though the Nate heading on the subreddit is just laughable since whichout this character we really wouldn't of had the team. His history and how he grew as a character just stripped away for just a couple episodes of Drama. Then a tribute episode is some boring guy who puts people to sleep going, "Oh he was a great guy." I swear if I was a producer and I might have fired the people who decided to kill Nate off and wrote that episode. cause it was one of the worst, and more disrespectful move to a great character.

SO when comparing redemption to the Original, I give this a 1 star review and it only succeed because of Eliots fighting and Sophia's acting, and some parker shenanigans. I hope there isn't a second season

Now before I go, I would say there were a good bit of ways to improve the show. one of them is not killing Nate, having him go missing, and the subset of episodes about locating him. change Noah's character from being a lawyer to someone whose job it is to hunt down and find people, who seem to be hard to locate. (Hell, make him a detective who was a corrupt cop who was fired, have it where he finally realized what a shitty person he was after a job that got the client killed and he wants to make amends.)

Knock off hardison, replace her character and actress. (Sorry girl no offense. Don't hate your acting but they gave you shitty dialogue, I know you can do better.) imagine. instead of Hardison sister, replace it where someone just for fun tried breaking into Hardsions computer to mess with him. he discovers this and tracks her down knocks her stuff out, and reveals that its some teenager, or 18 year old who is living in a van like himself. he chuckles and has her join them. SHe's a rookie, but she has potential. SO he takes her under his wings before he has to go. he leaves her there with parker saying that they'll take care of her. (Might I suggest Linda booth. the girl has far more energy and that pixie spark some people claimed knock-off Hardison had but didn't.) It would make it more interesting and takes away the pressure of the actress being compared to Hardison as his sister. Then add in that it would make the team compare her to Hardison more where she has to grow and prove herself work harder to show she has what it takes to work with the big boys. This new hacker had so much potential but the writers wasted it.

The cons, making it harder make them more twisted and interesting hell the villains should be more complex and wilder. I still remember one of my favorite Bill Engvall playing a crooked car salesman and the guy is still more memorable than all the villains in redemption hell the brothers and dad who stole houses while under contracting was memorable than the card guy. Make them more complex maybe make them more grey, or something memorable then just asshole billionaires. heck make it where when the team took them down maybe someone worst took over. or hell I got one. make it where the client is the bad guy, who takes the target out using them so they can take over and replace them. then the team has to go in and stop them on a later episode. not a two parter.

Hi is there any Eliot/Sophie shippers here? (Beside me) ;)

I don’t like our Mr. Wilson. 😞 There I said it.

I posted on here previously trying to figure out what the OT3 thing was all about as I'd only recently (at the time) encountered the concept from jonesing for the show and reading a lot of Leverage fanfiction.

For those that don't know, it's the idea that Parker, Alec Hardison and Eliot Spencer form a polyamorous 'throuple'. Not merely as a function of pure fictionalizing of the story, but actually as something the show implies.

At the time, the hamster in my skull was doing the quizzical dog thing because I could never understand where fans of this concept were getting the idea that that was supported by the show. I've seen every episode of the original show at least 5 times (many episodes more times than that) and could never find any foundation for it at all. In my observations, it's laughably clear what the dynamic is that the writers laid down: Hardison is dating his best friend's sister. That's he nature of the three's relationship. Between Hardison and Eliot themselves, it's more a structure of Hardison being Eliot's extremely frustrating little brother that he has to look out for. For Parker and Hardison, Alec Hardison is hopelessly in love with Parker but is such a good friend to her that she loves him back for it.

I've heard some people claim that at least one of the creators confirmed the OT3 idea. Nothing I've ever seen has lent a single iota of credence to it, but I knew that with the new show things could change.

The characters are almost a decade older and Parker, Hardison and Eliot have been together all of that time.

Surely the OT3 should be obvious now.

Nope. I've watched the first season drop and again there is not one single ounce of legitimacy to the concept. In fact, Parker has now taken to wearing a padlock pendant and Hardison to its key. There is no third component to that mechanic - no symbolism to employ to suggest any kind of triad.

So can we put the OT3 thing to rest now and stop having it dominate all of Leverage fanfiction?

I don’t think he ever mentioned breanna in the og before

I just finished the last episodes of this season and, generally speaking I loved it. I want to make that very clear: I love Leverage and I loved this season. However, this is a rant for the part that I absolutely hated: the OT3 baiting. Or what for me felt like bating. Feel free to disagree.

I know most of the OT3 fans have stated and defended that the original series was queer coded and not queer bating, and I agree. But this season? I won’t call it queer bating because it was hella gay (yay!), but I do feel the OT3 went from being coded to bating due to the addition of Eliot’s love interest. Don’t get me wrong, I actually like Maria, and I would have loved the storyline as I’m sure many in the fandom outside of the pardicer fans did, if it weren’t for the coding in the original series and the “coding” in Redemption. Even then, I could have accepted that maybe it was all in my head and move on just mildly disappointed if it weren’t for John Roger’s twits. But no, he had to make those twits and then give Eliot a romantic arch not with Parker and Hardison. And that? That hurt. A lot. The thing is, I didn’t need for the OT3c to be explicit. I would’ve been delighted with just the moments we actually got on this first season. But with Eliot’s and Maria’s relationship happening, the only way I won’t feel spat on by Roger is if the pardicer conversation in the last chapter give way for a confirmed canon OT3. Or as close as we can get. It doesn’t have to be explicit, it can just be extremely obvious without being stated. Just a few more moments like the ones we got this season. I would still be annoyed that they didn’t get together during all those years of working together despite “being made canon”, but I would get over it.

I don’t feel like I’m asking for much given those twits. I wouldn’t ask for anything other than more episodes without them.

Right now I’m feeling angry, hurt, betrayed and deeply disappointed (about this. As I said at the beginning, most of the rest I loved.). Am I the only one?

Harmless fun yes, but is it a bit much at times ?

Do you think the show in part put the word "Grifter" into the American Zeightgiest? I just don't remember hearing it often before the show and now hear it all the time.

Every single accent in this show is hilariously bad, with the exception of some of Sophie's accents. But good lord, Aldis Hodge CANNOT do a British accent. Or, really, any accent. He's kind of good at the Caribbean thing but what the FUCK is going on with Nate's German/Austrian accent? It's some of the most cringeworthy shit I've ever heard. Cannot believe that some of these concepts were actually greenlit for TV.

I'm not trying to be negative, and my criticism isn't aimed at the writing or acting, it's the production value. I know it's not a big budget show, but neither was the original series, yet it didn't have the same problem.

I'm on Season 3 episode 2. There are two things that stand out like a sore thumb; the lack of background actors, and the various sets feeling like sets, if that makes any sense. The main hub in New Orleans is beautiful, it looks like it's actually being used, but the court room, the auction house, bourbon show room all feel sterile, and are noticably temporary sets. Speaking of; when the background actor sniffs the bourbon, he simply shakes his head, instead of commenting on it.

It's been a while since I watched the first two seasons, but I don't remember feeling the same way. The original series (which I've watched all the way through many times) definitely didn't feel like this.

I understand when background actors speak, there's a rate per line, that progressively increases; it takes more time to weather counter tops, or the stone from the vault etc. Production teams can only do so much within their timeframe, I also wouldn't be surprised if they're understaffed.

Amazon is just being incredibly cheap when it comes to the production. I know it's not unique to this show, I guess it just sticks out more to me because I love Leverage; I don't like Redemption as much, but it's still really good.

I was wondering if anyone else felt the same. And if you do, are you able to look past it and just focus on the things that ultimately matter; story, characters, etc?

Alright....still...underwhelmed and unable to suspend disbelief, but obviously enjoying in a fun, flirty way as I'm on s1 e8. Another thing that's a little unbelievable...EVERY client says, I don't care about any money, I just want (insert x as justice here) Like...come..ON. I could MAYBE see that, except for AT LEAST Corporal Perry. Dude....government contractors SHOT YOU and you need more then 2 surgeries and 2 years to get out of a wheelchair?! SHOW ME THE MONEY

So for those not in the know, Timothy Hutton, the actor for Nate Ford, the mastermind of the original series, didn't return to the show due to a Me Too accusation. Now, the details are long and complicated but the short version is;

The woman lied, Hutton has since been cleared by law enforcement.

Presently, Hutton and the production company for Leverage are engaged in a legal battle, which for me raises a question: Could we see Timothy Hutton return as Nate Ford?

I personally think yes, they have faked deaths before that seemed impossible, with Sophie fake dying by my count twice. Nate's death being faked and his return wouldn't be impossible, and I have thought of a way that would be a fun way of bringing back another fantastic character:

Nate went into hiding for some reason relating to a season villain, with Sophie and Hardison being the only two aware or involved. The truth is revealed by non other than Stirling showing up with a photo of Nate, still alive. Sophie explains to the team the truth, and they team up with Stirling to save Nate and bring him back.

Odds are the villain would have to be someone new since everyone from the original series who could be a contender is either dead or ruined. All of this said I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't happen, but I choose to remain hopeful.

Edit: So I do see a few fair points that bringing Nate back, especially with Sophie knowing, would mean a lot of her arc in Redemption would be negated, but I'd also counter that she is a grifter, and that Nate lying to her to about being dead would feel out of character for him. If there is a good reason for it, as someone said a "Moriarty style villain" that gave Nate no time to let Sophie in on the plan, than sure.

I unlike many wish timothy hutton would back and they all star in a full length movie. Which spins off into another series. But the producers and some of the cast threw him under the bus, when a mere accusation was made which later turned out to be false. That's what destroyed leverage.

Does anyone know pose hate how Parker was written in Redemption? She doesn’t feel lime the same character at all. She’s too goofy, and isn’t as serious as she was in the OG series.

My other issue is that according to the end of the OG series, Parker should be running the crew, but in Redemption Sophie is. It could be that she is running leverage international and Sophie is running the main crew, but even so, I think the end of the OH series implied that she was the best suited to be a Mastermind

Hi all. Discovered this masterpiece couple of weeks back and since then have binged the series multiple times.

I was rewatching S4E9 where they try to save a transplant heart from a criminal stealing it and get it back to the 15 year old boy. They also help out the nurse that was being blackmailed to do so. In one of the scenes hardison is the only one up in ATC tower and a plane issues mayday alert to land at the airport. Obviously Hardison doesn't know how to give the vectors for landing and also the plane cannot detour.

What hardison did was boot up Microsoft Flight simulator while the plane was descending, and the game itself is over 5 GB at the time of shooting this. Hardison entered the same landing parameters and then followed the game to give the landing vectors. I know it is not realistic to do all of this in the span of 1 minute when the actual plane has already started its descent.

I just wanted to open a thread of episodes where the team does seriously unrealistic scenarios like this to save the episode. I know multiple scenarios are there in each episode where everything lines up at the exact same moment and I can still accept that. I am talking about something as unrealistic as opening up a game to give landing vectors to a plane.

Let's go steal a whistle-blower!

I have read that in 2022 or 2023 Timothy Hutton sued the show or the producers or someone or something related to the redemption show. I have tried to Google it to find out if there has been a resolution to this and I can’t find anything. Does anybody else know? I really miss the banter between him and the other characters! Especially between him and Sophie She’s doing a fantastic job on redemption however it’s like her character has changed. She’s so much more serious minded and she was always kind of mischievous, especially towards Nate. Wouldn’t it be awesome if they were on a job and they ran into Nate, who was already on the job and knew that they were there. As a surprise for all of us, diehard fans. I do know that the rape charges were dismissed due to lack of evidence

I used to watch Leverage growing up over and over again at least 30+ times. And when Redemption was coming out I only watched the first season and kinda wasnt sure it continued.
Finally picked it back up after rewatching Leverage for the nTh time. Finishing Redemption, I feel sad about what they did to Hardison. The ways they wrote him out due to being busy with other stuff, entirely ruined his character in my opinion.
I understand why they had to do it but they didn't have to do it in a way where it started going so against his character.

Okay, I have been a huge fan of Leverage since I first watched the original series, love the show, and Hardison is one of my favorite characters in just about any show. So I was kind of excited at the idea of his little sister taking up his role while he was busy elsewhere. But then she started just endlessly proselytizing, ham-fisted preaching, and just being the most obnoxious part of any episode. I get it, she is young and idealistic and has a passion for this cause and that, but every time she gets like ten seconds of uninterrupted dialogue, she just begins to vomit word salad that is basically every social media headline for whatever the popular cause of the day was when the episode was being written.

I am currently at season 2 episode ten when writing this, and wanted to ask: does this ever get better? I wouldn't mind it as much if she ever got called out on it, or just something.

Like the job with the oilrig, she "went on strike" during a job that involved the safety of one of her team members immediate family and no one, absolutely no one on the team had anything to say about it? Parker maybe I get it, but Eliot and Sofie? They would have been the first ones getting on her ass for that in the original series and now Breanna just gets away with it, zero consequences?