One of the phrases you'll often hear when referring to some unwanted, or mistreated reboot is, "Childhood ruined!"

Recently, the cast and crew of this film have decided to insult people who utter these words. They argue that it is technically impossible to retroactively ruin a childhood and that anyone who says that are sad, basement dwelling assholes who need to get friends.

All those comments – "You’re ruining my childhood!" I mean, really. Four women doing any movie on earth will destroy your >childhood? I have a visual of those people not having a Ben [Falcone], not having friends, so they’re just sitting there and >spewing hate into this fake world of the internet. I just hope they find a friend.

I thought I would take a few moments to give you a bit of my history with Ghostbusters, and what I, and I think many others mean when they use this phrase.

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1984

As a kid, I remember seeing Ghostbusters in the theatre with my brother. I sat there on the edge of my seat, eyes wide as the hubcaps of Ecto 1, while my brother covered his eyes in fear. From that day on Ghostbusters was one of the coolest things I had ever experienced in my life.

For months after, my brother and I would outfit our backpacks with everything from tent pegs, to various gadgets around the house. We would spend hours busting ghosts in the dark and scary places of our house, our neighbourhoods and our minds. The rigged together proton packs we had gave us the confidence to be able to explore and deal with the fears and reservations we had in our lives.

We also loved the Ghostbusters cartoon. We would spend every Saturday eating our teeth melting cereals, and playing with our action figures as we watched the latest episode. I remember that I used use Ray as my spoon as I would slide my Apple Jacks onto the promo beam and get a kick out of letting them slide into my mouth.

Ghostbusters became a fond childhood memory for me. Whenever I watched the movies it would bring back those warm and fuzzy nostalgic feelings. It would transport me back to the care free days as a kid when I used my imagination for creating amazing adventures, instead of just trying to figure out ways to skip work early.

As I got older, I became a make-up/prop artist for film and TV. One of the first things that HAD to be made was a ghost trap (the lego ones I created as a kid just never made the cut). There was just so much joy working on the props with fellow GB fans who also felt the same passion.

Eventually the GB video game came out, and while my Macbook Pro almost had a hernia trying to play it, I got such a great feeling in my loins that I was not only seeing the Ghostbusters again, but I was basically one of them.

For me, Ghostbusters has always had an innocence about it. Fans from all over the planet for the most part have been part of a cohesive and amazing group, that was accepting, supportive, and positive. Unfortunately, that has all changed.

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2016

When the new Ghostbusters was announced it was met by many with skepticism and reservations. As with most beloved things from our childhoods, we become very leery when someone decides they can do it better, or different. There have simply been too many times when someone has taken something many love, and destroyed everything that made it great.

This usually results in many frustrated fans, uttering the words, "It ruined my childhood?", but what does this mean? Does it mean that the movie literally traveled back in time and messed with my family, and so I am now slowly fading from existence in family photos?

Well, let me give you an example. I have a Ghostbusters shirt that I purchased a few years ago. It is one of my favourite shirts. Whenever I would wear it, myself and others get this fond feeling of nostalgia. That nod from a fellow fan when they saw the shirt was a nice connection to have with other people.

Unfortunately, I no longer feel comfortable wearing the shirt. The reason is because the meaning has now changed. Instead of being a fun reminder of a time long ago, it is now a political statement. Wearing a Ghostbusters logo today sends a confusing message. Am I wearing it in support of feminism? Am I making a statement that there are only one Ghostbusters team?

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The good feelings that were once there, are now tainted with the controversy surrounding the new film. The pride of wearing the logo, has now been replaced with frustration and negative feelings. Every time I hear a cast member tell me I am a sexist, neck bearded, woman hater, it results in me resenting the Ghostbusters more and more.

So, when I say, "It ruined my childhood" what I am really saying is that many of the positive associations I had with the franchise have been replaced with negativity. In essence, the little memories in the corners of my ever failing mind are now clouded by a slimy coating of "Girl Power" and shooting ghosts in the dick.

Now I understand, like "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull", "Total Recall", "Superman", or any of the other rebooted films, they are, in the end, just movies. Years later I don't have the same feelings towards Indiana Jones as I did when KotCS came out. I have been able to find my way back to those fond memories and enjoy collecting the gear again, and I am sure the same thing will happen with this, and many more movies to come.

The thing is, for me, movies are not just something I put on while I'm clipping my toenails. For me, movies have been a major influence in my life. They have helped me grow, learn, and explore. They have been so important that my first career was working in the film industry. It has resulted in friendships that have lasted many years, and they continue to this day to allow me to explore feelings and ideas that I might never have the chance to otherwise.

For now however, the new Ghostbusters does not provoke many good feelings in me. The now divided fan community is, for the time being, not a place I would like to be. My childhood will of course recover, but there will always be this scuff on it. For me, that is a sad thought.

UPDATE:

I posted an update post to address the sexism/female responses here. Unfortunately it has been removed by this and other subreddit. Thanks to the Mens Rights subreddit for allowing free speech. People may not agree with my post, but it is great that some people out there understand the importance of allowing ideas to live or die on their own merit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4sd2yd/ghostbusters_2016_yes_i_admit_it_is_because_of/

The characters all have good chemistry and I love Holtzmann.

Apologies to everyone who has been seeing negative posts about this movie. I hope at least my take will show you valid points instead of sounding like im just whining. That’s because I LOVED Afterlife. I loved the cast. And the reunion with the send off for Ramus felt so smooth and natural, it had me tear up a bit. But this movie was just nostalgia cash grab and it just ruined my day after watching. So let me get into it

Gripe 1. Nothing, and I mean nothing mattered in this movie. Phoebe being 15 and cant be a ghostbuster? Doesn’t matter, she continues doing it. Getting arrested for it? Doesn’t matter. Ghost girl wants to see her family again and is willing to give up the entire world for it? Doesn’t matter, she got what she wanted with no consequences! Dan Aykroyd getting a heavy pep talk for being reckless? Too late in the movie to matter! Remember the car overheating at the beginning? That didn’t matter at all. Oh and one last thing. Remember the mayor condemning their HQ? Wanna take a guess what im going to say?

This was the nagging feeling in the back of my head for the entire movie. No structure to stand on and no character growth to be seen. Even when Paul Rudd snaps at Phoebe(Which I will say I was happy to see. Its nice to see certain genre actors using more range of emotions), It didn’t matter because when he went to apologize, she isn’t in the room to hear. So when the end of movie comes through and she calls him dad, I just laughed at the stupidity of it. Which brings me to

Gripe 2. What was the point of having a team when none of them do any team stuff? You have Trevor in the first film getting a quick scene with Winston and the car. Leading us to believe he is gonna be the mechanic. Never works on the car at all. Phoebe is clearly the brains of the crew. BUT OH YEA she’s 15, sorry can’t do anything about it because the script says so! How bout the mom and Gary? I mean, they are the helpers and they did help… With filling the scenes I guess. Or how bout Podcast? He was the toy tinker in the first one, so where is he in this? Oh yea, doing nothing! And how about the OG crew? Peter isn’t in this movie. Ray is doing what Dan does in real life. And Winston? He’s pulling his weight but he never helps the new crew. The car is busted to no end. Where’s a new one? The proton packs are old and rusted. Where’s the new ones? But at least he has a WHOLE OTHER lab with OTHER scientist. This is just a small bit of the movie that stands out. So now onto

Gripe 3. You could take out so many things in this movie and replace it with a few more seconds of nothing and the movie would still end the same.

Like the Gary/Phoebe family plot. Why was this in the film to begin with? None of them had a negative look on Gary in Afterlife. And Trevor never said anything regarding, calling him dad. It was just directed at Phoebe. She only had one scene talking about it and it was when she was mad so then it gets pushed to the side until she calls him dad at the end. There was no reason for this at all. It was a pointless toss in or possibly bits and pieces left over from a first draft? Either way, stupid.

A big example was the Mayor. Why in the F did we waste time with that character(I’ll get to that in a minute)? Because we “needed” tEnSiOn. Except we could take out both scenes with him and the movie would have been better off imo. None of it mattered because you can’t kill off the whole reason why were here in the first place. They did this in GBI and II and expected us to just let it slide? Its ridiculous but they need to pad the nostalgia points!!! So lets get into

Gripe 4. The stupidity. One stupid thing that stood out to me was Phoebe. She is without a doubt a smart girl. But she just gives into stupidity like it was natural for her all along. Im talking about the relationship with her and the ghost. I couldn’t care less about that fact so cheers to the supernatural sex community and the future Ghost-Sexual insert on everyone’s bio. But specifically im talking about her decision to turn herself into a ghost after only two conversation’s with this spirit. Regardless of the spirits true intensions, why would someone like Phoebe just disregard all logic and the VERY REAL DANGER OF DEATH to turn herself into a ghost?? You can not convince me it was for love. She was precise and to the point in Afterlife. She was cold and awkward because she is AUTISTIC. She doesn’t just decide to disregard science for the random chance to kiss a dead person. Plus she’s only 15 and she’s a ghostbuster. She is at the farthest point from thinking about love as she can be. They made a point to point out just how different she is in Afterlife. But instead of trying to make something work with a live person or just not entirely, they decided, f it, lets make her fall in love with a ghost after having two whole conversation’s with it! ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! What a stupid ass way to destroy her character.

Gripe 5. The nostalgia cash grab. This is the main thing I was worried about when I watched the trailer. I thought having the OG team come back in Afterlife worked wonders. Like I said before, it felt smooth and earned and even got me a little emotional. But then I watched that trailer for FE and just felt like this movie wasn’t gonna live up to Afterlife. And I was right.

For starters, there were TO MANY characters in this film to adequately give screen time to everyone that felt appropriate to the new cast. You not only had the OG team step back in, but they got the secretary back as well as the mayor! And what for? Nostalgia of course. DO YOU REMEMBA? And if you looked closely, you could even spot some familiar reshots from the original two films! I really do want to believe that they wanted to write an original movie with a lot of fun to the writing. But it was cut at the knees to insert absolutely nothing that doesn’t benefits the movie.

There was also no character growth to speak of here. You can’t use Gary and Phoebe since they never resolved shit. There was nothing to the OG cast. The mom and Gary had no issues. Trevor and his girlfriend were NONEXISTENT in the film. The only thing you could say was growth was Nadeem. But of course, it played out like every movie in the last 40 years. Guy has the power to stop the bad thing but can’t control his powers? Just wait till the last second and he’s come through! Barf. Also side note. Im not gonna shit on Kumail but I have to say that I didn’t like his character at all. He stood out in a bad way and to be honest, his brand of humor just sucks imo.

Now lets take a look at the Mayor real quick because this pissed me off to no end. I get that they had to put him in somehow so why not keep him as the mayor. Sure, fine, whatever. But if anyone remembers the first and second film, all he did was whine and complain about the ghostbusters and the destruction of property. He even got as far as putting them in jail(Nostalgia anyone????). So you have a 15 year old ghostbuster, getting into a shouting match with the mayor who delivers the same drivel in the originals and NO ONE points out the last TWO TIMES he did this, he ended up turning right back around and asking for their help. I mean for crying out loud, Winston was in the fricken room with them and he just let him talk shit to her. Scenes like this really grind my gears because everyone just forgets the past. Even logic and facts in a lot of movies go out the window because they need to plot to move forward. But it doesn’t work here. Why have this scuffle with him when they could have just used Winston. He made a fortune since the old days right? That’s what Ray said! Why not just have him pay for the damages? How easy it could have been to have the TEAM work together by keep the destruction to a very low minimum. This would keep the mayor off their asses because Winston would pay for the damages, if any, and they can get the ghostbusters back in the limelight with a close to clean comeback as possible. This ties into my

Last gripe. The villain. He was in it for all of 5 mins??? WHY? Why not have him escape from the sphere, wreaking havoc across the city while he searches for the Firemaster and his horns? This would create ACTUAL TENSION because now the ghostbusters are trying to stop a world ending entity and they are ruining their comeback because they are destroying property left and right. THIS would have made the mayor relevant. AND it would have given us more screen time with the villain AND the new GB team. It was seriously a waste of time to make a bad guy who only shows up at the very end. And this isn’t the same as Gozer. You had its keymaster and gatekeeper causing enough trouble to keep the movie going. Here we have what? A red light that zips around everywhere? The green goo goblin? Gotta get those nostalgia points up up up!! What else was there?? OH YEA the old lady in the library! HOW COULD I FORGET!!!

I hate the Youtube channel CinemaSins but i already know his take on this movie is gonna be spot on and i hate that fact with all my soul.  

I know a lot of you are going to disagree. And that’s fine. If you liked it, you liked it. But I can not stand the people who just plug their fingers in their ears and go la la la because they don’t want reality to set in, that a movie sucked. If you keep ignoring blatant garbage they call movies, you are just letting the studio know that you could care less, so keep making garbage! And just to be clear. I wanted this movie to thrive! I wanted this to be the Empire Strikes Back for them. I mean its got Paul Rudd for crying out loud! He was fantastic in the first one. It was just watered down and stretched out so much that nothing worked or made sense. It makes me sad and even more so that I can’t do anything about it.

I've asked the question "why do you want this to fail" before, but there are at least a few legitimate answers to that question, such as wanting Hollywood to stop relying on reboots and lazy comedy. But I guess a better question is: why do you guys want it to be bad so much? You've gone out of your way to find excuses for why the positive reviews liked the movie and only upvoted negative reviews on this subreddit. If we're going to get another corporate Hollywood reboot, don't you at least want to get a good Ghostbusters movie out of it? You're all Ghostbusters fans, right? Why do you want a bad Ghostbusters film more than a good one?

My friends and I were invited to the Hollywood premiere of the new movie, where we met the cast and were allowed to watch Ghostbusters (2016) before its major release on the 15th. Paul Feig actually started the show by taking the front of the auditorium and thanking us for attending. He was aware of what "the internet" currently thinks of his movie and he told us he was never more nervous to release a movie than he is now. Like Paul, I know there's been a lot of hate for the trailers and many rumors flying around, but honestly, from a average Joe point of view, the movie wasn't bad. In fact, it was good movie, as long as you don't compare it to the originals.

I want to first explain that you have to go into the movie understanding a few key points:

• This movie is in no way related the first. It is not a sequel. It is more of a reboot, but even more than that, it is just an alternate way of telling the Ghostbusters story

• The movie doesn't respect, honor, or follow the originals' plot, cinematic style, or even physical laws. (They "kill" some ghosts instead of capturing every one of them. It's not bad, just different.)

• The timeline of those events which are similar to the originals are completely different, as are the methods of approaching them

• The movie might have been more well received without the Ghostbusters branding, but you can't release such a movie without people associating it one way or another to the originals. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The new movie is fun. It definitely has its moments. I laughed out loud more than once. I also think it was a bit over the top, and cheesy at times, but I have to keep reminding myself that it has nothing to do with the originals. There is one scene where it gets really corny and even cartoony, but it doesn't ruin the entire film. (no, it's not the dance routine -- thankfully that was cut, but it was reused as a background for the credits)

It's difficult to say that the originals are more scientific or that they are more realistic, but it almost feels like that is the case here. I mean, The Destructor was a giant marshmallow man, the gang rode around in the Statue of Liberty, and they caught ghosts. But the new one is a bit "sillier." It introduces new weapons, in addition to the proton packs, and has a scene in the netherworld akin to the unnecessary scene in Transformers: The Fallen when Megatron flies to one of Saturn's moons. You know, you feel like you have a comfortable grasp on things because it's all somewhat based on Earthly reality, then they throw in this wacky extraordinary scene location that you can't possibly accept. I suppose it fits in if we look at the film as a whole, respect it for what it is, and stop comparing it to the originals. One thing that really bothered me was that the people who encounter ghosts, especially for the first time, don't seem all that nonplussed about it. It is more just a nuisance to them. Again, it's not bad, but it feels a little outlandish. Fake, maybe. Inappropriate reactions versus how you'd expect them to react to seeing a ghost. Maybe they could have approached the first contact scenes a little differently.

The cast all played their respective parts very well. Chris Hemsworth nailed his character, although his character seemed out of place. His comedic timing was spot on and he brings lots of laughs, it's just that the need for his character's level of intelligence, or lack thereof, seemed out of place. I didn't get why they chose to make his character such a dimwit. [SPOILER] The guy literally doesn't understand how to answer the phone on his desk. It does make for some funny material tough.

On the opposite end, I didn't have a lot of hope for Kate McKinnon's character going in but she grew on me, and in the end, was a real badass. The story couldn't work without her. I would have loved to see her final fight scene extended. She kicks some serious translucent ass.

Leslie Jones' character wasn't as bad as I assumed either. She actually did very well. Her character meshed well with the others. The "Patty compels you" scene was still a little cringe-worthy, but mostly because of the bad taste left from the trailers, and all in all, it worked only because of the rest of the movie exists. I would say that she is under appreciated at this point.

Kristen Wiig was fantastic throughout. Her character was the most "normal" and well rounded. Nothing but good things to say about her. She seems to exhibit characteristics from each of the original characters. (scientific understanding from Stantz, lust from Venkman, desire for structured method from Spengler) I would give her a high five if I could.

Melissa McCarthy was just good. I only say that because she's so type cast now that it's hard to see her as anything but a bumbling bimbo who sometimes gets lucky. That is not how her character is in this movie, but it's really hard to not expect it around every corner. Some of her lines felt overacted Jim Carrey-style but she had good chemistry with the rest of the cast. Still, she was a good choice for the role.

The one character that was really shoehorned in was Andy Garcia as the mayor. His character seemed so unnecessary. The movie could have moved along just fine without him. That left a little to be desired because I really enjoyed the political considerations involving the mayor in the originals. Again, I have to remind myself that it is not meant to be compared.

The new movie, although existing in a completely different universe than the originals, much like Tim Burton's Batman and Christopher Nolan's Batman, does a fantastic job with tributes and homages. Many of the top billed cast from the originals return with cameos, including Harold Ramis, and in a fantastically appropriate and respectful way. Gotta hand it to Feig for that one.

Conclusion: It's never going to be easy when you are compared to something has big and nostalgic as the original movies, but the new one, standing on its own, is fun, funny, and entertaining. It even pokes fun at itself from time to time, acknowledging the hate it received on sites such as YouTube and reddit. The self-awareness was a good touch. It respects the love the fans have for the originals, even going as far as commenting on its own all-female cast. The story ends on a cliffhanger which all but guarantees a sequel, and honestly, I'm excited for it. With some tweaking, the next movie could be rock solid.

EDIT: Man, I was eaten alive. The circle jerking is strong here. Look guys, enjoy it or don't. I did and this is my opinion of it. Whether they decided to call it Ghostbusters or Ghost Smashers or Girls'n'Ghosts or whatever, it will inevitably be compared to the originals. Whether you end up enjoying the movie or not, it's not going to go back in time and rape your childhood or whatever. It is a movie. Get over it.

every time I watch the 2016 female lead version of Ghostbusters, I like it just a little bit more. I mean it is it’s own picture and I really just don’t see why people hate it so much. yes, you can only take so much Leslie Jones and Melissa McCarthy for so long but I really like Kate McKinnon Kristen Wiig is Kristen Wigg, what can you do. But it’s growing on me.

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I feel bad. I went in scared that it was going to be awful and I ended up liking it a lot. Maybe my expectations were too low? I laughed a lot. I feel like comparing it to the original is comparing apples to oranges. They're two different films. GB84 will never be removed from my heart. This new film could have used a snip here and there, I will say that. Totally didn't need to be two hours long. But other than that, I found it really funny and so did the audience in my theater. The person I was with was seeing it for a third time and I'm pretty sure I'm going to go a second time to check it out in 3D. Surprised me. I like the old one AND I like this. I'm honestly surprised. And actually relieved. After the last two years of controversy, I really didn't know what I was going to witness. That trailer editor should be fired though. I probably could have made something better with the material from the film and I'm not even an editor. Against my better judgement, I wanted to post my opinion here for whatever it's worth and I'm open to talking about it. It's not highbrow comedy and it's not a classic but it sure was fun. I still get all the criticisms about the concept and they're valid but the film on it's own merits made me chuckle a lot and LOL a goodly amount of times. So don't hate on me too hard. I'm not saying "suck it man babies! LOOOL! 10/10! Girl power!" or anything like that. I'm not here to start a fight. And I'm not a shill. And I was 11 when GB84 came out and it blew my mind and changed my life. I just wanted to say that. I'd personally give this new one a 7/10 in terms of solid summer entertainment.

Once you get past the nostalgia you realize this movie is nothing but a constant fellatio of the original film that does nothing to expand the lore of Ghostbusters and if anything just limits it. Instead of moving the world on from the events of the first two movies it treats the events of those movies like some obscure urban legend (and the second movie isn't even really mentioned) which makes no sense. It is better than the 2016 abomination but it's still not a very good movie

The Ghostbusters video game will always be the real GB3

I heard allot of people hating on this movie, but I think its a fun and rewatchable movie imo.

So, any movie review that is positive (including one posted by users on this reddit who have no media background and just genuinely enjoyed the movie) are either paid for/brainwashed/shilling, but any movie review that is negative is 100% trustworthy?

Guys, it's okay if you don't like the movie. It's okay if you DO like the movie. Not to be rude, but grow up about how you absorb reviews for stuff, though. I don't want to sound like I'm bragging or talking crap, but I do have some background in the media and the fact that everyone thinks EVERY review is either paid for, or influenced, is just laughable.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I can assume from the mixed reviews that it will be either pretty good or not that good, and the jokes will be hit or miss. That's how most comedies are.

Personally i loved the bit with mayhem on Patty's shoulders that was hilarious

It's 10% juice. From this, we can assume that 1 liter of Ecto Cooler contains:

• 900ml water

• 100ml mix of OJ and tangerine juice

A 6-fluid-ounce serving contains 24 grams of carbs, all sugar. One liter is 33.8 fluid ounces. Therefore, 1 liter of Ecto Cooler contains 24 / 6 * 33.8 = 135.2 grams of sugar. This is from all sources - juice, corn syrup, and table sugar.

Depending on what brand of juice you get, 100ml of fruit juice contains 10-20 grams of sugar. Ergo, the corn syrup and table sugar combined probably contribute about 120 grams. Conveniently, 1 gram of sugar from high fructose corn syrup is approximately as sweet as 1 gram of table sugar, so we can cut corn syrup out of the recipe entirely and just dump 120 grams of table sugar in there.

This is our base. This is indisputably what ALL Ecto Cooler recipes should start with. Why people have been screwing around with Tampico Citrus Punch, Tang, Kool-Aid, Country Time lemonade mix, and all this other crap is beyond me.

Now we get to the real bitch of the problem: the acids and flavorings. You could just add a few squirts of pure lemon juice (NOT lemonade) in there and call it a day. This will require a bit of trial and error to figure out how much lemon juice to add, and it will leave your Ecto tasting a little bit more lemony than it should be (original Ecto had NO lemon in it), but it'll get you 99% of the way there. For those who are a bit more adventurous, it turns out that you can buy citric, malic, and fumaric acids in pure powdered form from Amazon. As for "natural flavors", I have no bloody idea. It could be that stuff that comes from beaver anuses for all we know. Anyway, you now need to determine the correct amounts and ratios of 4 different ingredients by trial and error instead of just lemon juice, so good luck with that. ChatGPT's best guess for the acids is the following (but also keep in mind that ChatGPT hallucinates and lies about everything):

• Citric: ~2.0 g

• Malic: ~0.7 g

• Fumaric: ~0.3 g

The Vitamin C is probably totally unnecessary, but if you're a completionist, this stuff is the closest thing that I could find to powdered vitamin C. It has some "natural flavors" in it too, so maybe that's where you're supposed to get the natural flavors? And then the dye, duh. That was never hard. The great news is that since this recipe is 90% sugar water with very little actual juice or orange dye, you'll be able to get a much clearer, more pure green that more closely resembles what true Ecto Cooler looks like.

I'll give this a spin tomorrow using lemon juice and let you all know how it turns out.