This is a throw away account so i dont get sued for telling the truth. I work in the industry born and raised in Dallas TX where suicide bunny is Based and know Pip/scott personally. if she finds out about this they WILL come after me but i dont give a fuck anymore this shit has gone way too far. I really hate to be that guy but i cannot give up myself or any of my sources as one of them has signed a non disclosure contract but when you piece it all together you will know i am right because it all makes sense.
Ive been debating on making this post for a long time now. I had my suspicions for years and now have legit sources to confirm each and every one of them. I figured people would figure it all out eventually but only the Dallas TX vape scene is up on most of this. Everyone in dallas hates SB and it is certainly NOT because of their success. Shes giving every Texas Juice maker a bad name and i cant take it anymore. There is A LOT to cover here so i must apologize in advance for the Novel youre about to read but this is VERY important for the community to know what is really going on behind the scenes.
I run a prominent Shop+Liquid company in Dallas TX where suicide bunny/wolf pack is based and know several people who work for her. They are all tired of lying for her. Employees were TOLD TO LIE TO EVERYONE at vape summit last year and tell everyone their products are mixed/packaged in the five pawns lab (they do this for a substantial fee) in los angeles and that is most definetely NOT the case.
A friend of mine.. lets go ahead and call him (friend #1) interviewed to manage ALL liquid production at wolf pack (SB distributor/parent company) which includes Vape Wild Ejuice, Wolfpack Ejuice, SB/kings crown And of course Cloud Company. He was supposed to manage product production/steeping and keep mistakes below 4% ( which doesn't really matter because they ship them all out for sale either way) so basically they wanted him to run 5 companies products for 32k per year. He made it all the way up the interview chain to pip and scott before salary was mentioned & they low balled him by about ~68k per year so he walked.
Friend #1 was absolutely appauled at what he saw when touring their NEW warehouse in plano TX just 2 weeks ago. THERE IS NO CLEAN ROOM.. AT ALL.. WHATSOEVER....
Seriously.
I have heard before that their ""production facility"" was nasty from another friend in the industry about a year ago but shrugged it off because I figured that was during the beginning when they didnt have their shit together yet. Also at that time they had just opened the doors to the richardson warehouse so i thought maybe what he saw back then wasnt fully set up yet. They have recently moved from the old warehouse in richardson TX to the new one in plano TX to have SB/wolfpack/Vape Wild/SkylineVapor.com all under one roof and then i started hearing the same rumors all over the place..
But now i have a real first hand account from Friend #1 who interviewed to run production. Their ENTIRE line of products to this day is made in an open warehouse/office with no environment control other than the A/C. No stainless steel tables, no gloves, no masks, no three stage cleaning process before you can even enter the clean room like everyone else does it. Not even a jiggy bottle of Germex laying around.
I realize that 95% of you have never seen or will ever see an E-liquid production facility but it should be cleaner than a hospital. You should be able to lick the floor and have it taste good. There should be stainless steel everywhere. Absolutely NOBODY should be allowed inside the clean room that is not covered with masks, gloves, foot booties, and has gone through an extensive three to four stage cleaning process with separate rooms for each before entering the clean room. It should look like a pharmaceutical grade lab because thats what it should be. The facility my products go through costed the owner upwards of a million because he actually gives a fuck about peoples health. Now let me paint another picture for you.
The Suicide Bunny/Kings crown/cloud company/Wolfpack/Vape Wild e-liquid production floor is NOT EVEN UP TO FOOD GRADE STANDARDS.
it is literally dudes in t-shirts and jeans EYEBALLING flavoring/nic into large batches vaping while they work (a HUGE No-No for liquid production in case you arent familiar) and it gets worse..
Vape Wild Ejuice is under the same roof and is 100% eyeball mixed into individual 30ml bottles using plastic restaraunt supply ketchup bottles to store the flavoring/nicotine which was also not kept cold in a fridge/freezer (Ew) which is ESSENTIAL to maintain a good shelf life. they didnt even have an auto filling or labeling machine (standard practice) labels are still hand placed and at the time of Friend #1's week long interview an auto bottling machine had just been delivered and wasnt set up yet...
Friend #2 has worked for WolfPack/SB for the past 2 years starting when we met. He just left them which is the main reason im able to post this now. Over the course of our friendship he has dropped some serious SB bombs on me. #1 and the most obvious, Pip with the school teachers degree did not come up with anything on her own as we are all lead to believe. They paid a lab to come up with the recipes and purchased it from them. every interview shes ever done she was lying through her teeth. I Vividly remember reading one that actually inspired me to start my own mixing where she claimed to have moved a kitchen table from their house into the SB office because it was the same table she was sitting at when she ""worked on"" all the original SB flavors.. TOTAL BULLSHIT. Well duh.. the pretty blonde didnt do all the proportional Algebra it takes to scale up the batches or come up with anything herself.. moving on.
Also most of the images on their labels are stolen from an artist in LA but that is a very minor offense compared to everything else that is on the table here. I was told only one of the suicide flavors has original art work they actually paid for (sucker punch if i remember correctly) which completely makes sense because when you set them all next to each other that one sticks out quite a bit.. go look at them dont worry ill wait. Apparently said artist has never heard of suicide bunny or doesnt have enough money to sue them, latter most likely IMO.
Now for the fun part! YES the recipe for mother's milk and all the others have been changed SEVERAL times due to the Diacetyl witch hunt which is why people are now complaining that it doesn't taste the same.
What most people do not understand is that All E-liquid is undergoing a slow chemical reaction inside the bottle from when it is first mixed until the moment you exhale it. Im trying to keep this section as short as possible but basically the major Flavor companies everyone uses for Ejuice (Capellas/TFA/FW) have all taken WONDERFUL care with removing/replacing Diacetyl flavorings with AP but 90% of them never contained any D in the first place. Shit TFA even publishes MSDS lab test sheets for every flavor now. When AP reacts with nicotine it slowly produces trace amounts of diacetyl which is why aged/steeped juice tastes better especially those containing vanilla/creamy flavors. This is also how all the liquid companies can go around saying "Diacetyl AP Free!!!!!!!!" Because they send fresh mixed or Zero MG to the lab for testing, get their desired results to calm the public.
No Diketones no Party. Bottom line. If your juice tastes any sort of creamy it contains some amount of AP/diacetyl Period (mostly AP these days) Is it bad for you? No. The FDA is the most corrupt agency in this country and has wanted to put an end to us since day one they HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PROVE that D/AP cause lung damage and have came up with NOTHING. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. There is nothing about D/AP in the new paperwork for regulation according to a vaping lobbyist in Washington DC i have connections with to get my liquids approved post regulation. they now KNOW its negligiable and wont poke holes in us like once thought.
Now since you understand that we come to the greatest part of this whole post where I talk to you about mothers milk obsidian edition :D
When everyone started freaking out about Diacetyl they immediatly began re-working the mothers milk recipe to use Capella's vanilla custard V2 which is the newer version with all D/AP/Diketones removed which is why mothers milk tastes like shit now. after this was done they now had all this old liquid stock that was deemed un sellable at the time because they werent sure if the diacetyl was actually dangerous to the public. Once they did their research and figured out its perfectly fine to use well.. now they have all this old liquid stock thats just sitting around that needs do be sold what can we do to get rid of it?
Put it in a black 60ml bottle with an included "special edition" drip tip and sell it for Motherfucking 100$ per 2oz bottle. And while you're at it convince everybody that this is something you've been working on for the past 6 months and not a mistake you're trying to cover up. Honestly whoever came up with that is a fucking genius. I should hire that person haha anyway..
As we come to a close, fuck Suicide Bunny. Dont worry about Diketones and also here are the three ingredients that make up mothers milk in case any home DIY mixers would like to make your own without the shitty V2 custard:
Cappella's sweet strawberry Cappella's Vanilla Custard (V1) Cappella's Graham Cracker
Just play around with these its not hard to nail i promise. Hey while youre at it why not make it 80%VG since the original is only a shitty 60% VG haha i digress..
Thats right. The three ingredients that changed the world and fucked everyone over for 22$ per bottle (30ml of juice costs a home mixer around .85cents to produce & around .35cents at production Quantity) i always laugh when I see clone recipes posted that include three drops of dragon fruit or two drops of mango because they swear they can taste it in there but really it's just the graham cracker / fruit combination playing with your tongue.
You stay sexy reddit.
Let the Down Votes Begin!!!
