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The MAGA mocking comics will continue until these ghouls stop defending government-funded murder of innocent protestors and learn to rub two brain cells together (but lets not hold our breath).
Alex pretti wasn't even a protestor, nor was he at a protest. He was just a guy who tried to help someone up, who was being knocked to the ground by federal agents. But he did that while legally carrying a firearm, which apparently turns helping someone to their feet into domestic terrorism.
Conservatives "love" the second amendment until it's someone they don't like. Now you have all these "I should be able to carry a gun anywhere" fuckers crying that "buh...buh...he had ah gun!?!?!" And the don't tread on me types really wanting to lick some government jackboots.
Remember, the only consistent position a conservative has is hypocrisy.
To them, everyone who isn’t them is a bad guy. That’s why they shoot random teenagers that ring their doorbell and cry about people who aren’t Maga being armed.
He was a registered nurse with the VA. In the state of Minnesota if you are able to help someone in medical need, you are required to do so. He rushed in to help the woman getting pepper-sprayed and was executed in the street for that.
It was required reading in my High School. Unfortunately, the teacher just told us it was a cautionary tale about cOmMuNiSm and why we should never trust socialists.
Obviously your teacher has never read the following words from Abraham Lincoln.
"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."
In the other words: The danger that destroys America will not come from the outside. It will and must be our own undoing. Sadly no one is coming to save us either. Only the American people have this power to either let the freedom die or let it ring again.
Honestly we read Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, Animal Farm, and 1984 in the same class and the lesson we were told to garner from each of them was "communism bad".
Mind you, it was a Catholic school. So communism bad. Socialism bad. Abortion bad.
Funny part is nothing makes you more atheist than learning the history of the Catholic Church in senior year. "Wait, so we eat fish on Fridays to...protect centuries old Italian fish merchants? That doesn't seem like the immutable Word of God to me..."
I remember reading Brave New World in high school. I was raised ultra-conservative whackadoo cult Christian. And I remember thinking that it wouldn't be so bad to live in a world where sexuality wasn't such a taboo. Might have been the first crack in the façade of my perception of the religious-political landscape of the 90s.
Neither of those is about the evils of communism/socialism. Orwell was a socialist. It's more clear in Animal Farm as the story progresses if you're paying attention to the actual theme, but in 1984 it's worth noting they make clear distinction between socialism and English Socialism, which is a specific ideology allegedly based on socialist principles.
In both cases the actual theme is deception and authoritarianism, the twisting of populist ideals into authoritarian tyranny. Ingsoc rose because socialism was popular and got support, which Orwell took as a given because he saw socialism as a good thing. The confusion of any form of collectivism, with socialism, led to authoritarians using the term to rise to power in all major parts of the world, leading to the global situation we see during the book. This was demonstrating what he saw with the rise of the USSR, including specific scenes like the "always been at war with Eastasia" scene that were directly inspired by real life events he lived through. And in Animal Farm what starts out as a peoples movement is slowly given over more and more to the control of the pigs, who use their authority to control and propagandize the people around them and usurp the purpose of the movement against liberation and toward placing themselves in the place of the capitalist elite.
On one hand, you have the 1984'ites, who agree with whatever the party says, and are reprehensible ghouls themselves.
On the other hand, you have people who accept reality, know the people got murdered, but then just blame him for it because they're either too cowardly to face the state or too much bootlickers in their own way to oppose it.
by the millionth time someone says this it will surely sway the dumbasses who gobble up trumps bullshit. they will see you guys talking about 1984 and it will finally get through to them just keep on repeating things that have never worked.
It’s messed up; to you, you’re making valid observations about things that don’t make sense, but to them you’re challenging their entire worldview and reality. People REALLY don’t like being told the way they look at life is wrong
100% agree. We CAN NOT allow this to survive in America. Once this regime changes there HAS TO BE ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES. No more treating it like we treated the confederacy.
It's the conman principle; no one wants to admit they've been fed lies, and they fell for 'em. So double down until reality reshapes itself to your narrative.
That's because they're not arguing from a place of logic.
Being morally right is hard. It requires you to ask yourself uncomfortable questions. About your behavior. About your friends. About the structure of society. And it requires you to honestly look at the answers you find, and sometimes realize "oh. I've been terribly wrong." And then you have to change. And that's hard.
The modern conservative, at least in America, has been taught an altogether different thought process. It goes like this:
That guy over there is saying that someone I like is bad.
I know I'm a good person.
Good people wouldn't have bad people "on their side"
Therefore, the person I like must also be a good person, and the person who says we are bad must actually be an evil agitator trying to smear someone's good name!
They never test themselves or ask themselves if they're a good person, because they just assume it as a given, and use that to justify anything they do ("if I'm doing it, it must be good!") and assume that anyone against them must be evil ("why else would they oppose a good person, such as myself?") and somehow never once stop to realize how easily they are being lead by the nose.
So it doesn't MATTER what facts, logic, reasoning, etc, you bring. They're not using that to make their decisions. They have already reached their decision, and only care about facts if it supports their position. Otherwise, it's either "fake news" or "not the whole story" or whatever other phrase they can use to hand-wave it away so they don't have to worry their pretty little heads about it.
maga aren’t people, just like nazis aren’t people. Demean, abuse, mock, disrespect, hate, do whatever you what to these disgusting creatures because they deserve it. They want to make minorities the “other” well then let’s start treating the maga minority exactly how they want to treat others.
Jesus fucking Christ how many times will this need to be said until you people get it? They aren't defending it because they don't know any better, they're defending it because it's what they fucking WANT! They WANT their god king to bring the full power of the state to smite their enemies! They want ICE to deport EVERY immigrant, legal or otherwise. Once that is done they WILL use ICE to go door to door and exterminate everyone who isn't "on their side"! It's why they're demanding voter registration rolls from every state. They say it's "to ensure a fraud free election" but in reality it's so they know where every Democrat lives so they can be rounded up and sent to the camps.
Trumplicans are quite literally a lower form of the species than the rest of us. We're all primates, but the Trumplicans are the most primate--think of the things that separate us from the apes, and then think of how many of those things the Trumplicans actually value. As an example, the reason none of them have empathy (unless the same thing happens to them), is because they are literally incapable of using their imaginations to imagine experiencing life as someone else. That's a higher human function, something that separates most of us from the apes, that the Trumplicans just don't have. Think of having a sense of ethics you adhere to, creating art, valuing education, etc. None of them do that. But it's not a choice--they're literally incapable of it. They can't do it, so they devalue it.
They're just the lowest of the lower monkeys mimicking the biggest monkey in their monkey hierarchy and they do so obediently and without reflection. They are less than human. We have to start dehumanizing the dehumanizers. We have to start being intolerant of the intolerant. We've let them get away with their shit for too long, and now they rule us.
They lack the fundamental characteristics that separate us from the apes. It's time to realize that these people are the lowest tier of humanity. I'm sure the irony isn't lost on folks that those least likely to 'believe in' evolution are also the least likely to have benefited from it. These people are apes.
I keep checking over at the subreddit which shall not be named thinking surely this! Surely this is too far for even them but it never is and I just end up sad.
"Just don't bring your legally owned firearm and keep it safely holstered the whole time while peacefully protesting if you don't want to be pinned down by several masked agents and have a whole magazine unloaded into your back!"
And then you mention Kyle Rittenhouse and they all REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yes, but Rittenhouse was carrying his illegally obtained gun, to threaten, shoot, and kill people protesting police violence. So it was totally justified.
They thought Democrats had a secret vampire sex dungeon where they extract adrenochrome under a PIZZA PLACE... the obvious spot for it... that didn't even have a basement. A MAGA went in there with a gun demanding to see it. They were celebrating the release of the Epstein files when the Trump admins were DANCING in front of the White House saying they were "The most transparent administration in history"... until Trump realized how bad it is for him and every single MAGA did a 180 with him and agrees it's a Democrat hoax or something equally stupid. The Speaker and Repub Congress has done everything they can to stop its release and distract from it... and MAGA is fine with that. They have stickers on their trucks saying "kll your local pedo" but they love Trump, and don't care they won't release the files. Make it make sense.
They only ALLOW a handful of people to post on that sub, anyone who even gently suggests that some of the things happening may not be good gets called a secret liberal reddit bot and banned lmao
In Reddit, definitely. It’s not even a safe space, if that was really its origin. It’s a blatant propaganda echo chamber controlled by a tiny group of people hostile to democratic government.
And the MAGA crowd laps it up like manna from the heavens.
Yeah I've seen actual conservatives saying they were banned when they hinted at "Well, maybe such and such is a bad idea actually?" As you said it is entirely meant to be an echo chamber.
That's the thing... they don't allow non-flaired users to post in most threads so basically all of the dissenters they ban are previously verified & flaired Conservatives.
It's one of the biggest safe spaces on the Internet for conservatives and moderates so they are not challenged. It is so heavily modified and redacted it hilarious
What's even more ridiculous is that these people being branded secret liberals or "fellow conservatives" (/s) are almost exclusively preexisting verified and flaired users of the subreddit.
They are quite literally going after and ostracizing their own for daring to question or stray from the narrative.
(basically all threads in the subreddit are flaired user only)
There were other subreddits, yesterday, posting users that were disagreeing and showing that post with different vids/POVs were being deleted by mods.
Even if they are deleted there other subs took screenshots showing that this affected some users. I'm not holding out hope for every die hard but this seems to have had some impact. There's a reason why a group called leavingMAGA exists.
It's been an open secret for years now that the entire rightwing media sphere often mirrors Russian propaganda. Remember, we had a whole big investigation where people went to jail?
We're literally not even talking about the Ukraine war anymore because our president is talking about deploying the military against Greenland and Minnesota instead. It couldn't be more obvious. We're openly being sold out by the Republican Party.
Even if the sub is filled with bots, that's only relevant if it's influencing real people. And these people exist. They vote. They put on ICE uniforms. They are out there.
If you also watch the subreddit for a bit, check in every now and then... you'll notice the sub will jump and drop in hundreds of thousands of members in a few days. Just one week alone... last week to be exact, suddenly 700k people joined. I highly do not believe most of those are real people. Not even 1%.
Hi it's probably not possible but.... could Russian bots (plus Elon's techno whatever plus the nom voters plus those who DID vote for him have helped Trump win the election?
Or were there too many things that would make that impossible?
This is my biggest concern over the last 24 hours. Renee Goode was murdered, I have no doubt. Be from the videos I could see how some people would have doubts about what really happened.
But this... There are multiple angles. The videos are high res and clear. There is no doubt, Alex was not in any way posing a threat. A lady got shoved and maced, Alex moved to help her and film, also got maced, shoved, beaten, got his gun taken, and then executed. He did nothing illegal, and definitely nothing to deserve the death penalty.
He was executed in broad daylight having done nothing but film the situation and try to help someone who had been assaulted.
There's no way to see anything else in those videos, especially the angle from the woman in pink. And yet, somehow people are seeing something else. They are already rejecting what their eyes are and just believing what the bad guys tell them to believe. There was always a way to say "maybe" before, but over the last day that has shifted for me. Anyone who doesn't see this as murder is willfully allowing fascists to murder their opposition. There is no longer a shred of doubt.
They've declared war on the States. This isn't a country anymore. Democrats and Republicans are all compromised. Anyone who's hoping that a politician is ever going to try/be able to do anything is wasting their time.
They're cleansing the world of good people. What will that leave you with if you're too good to do nothing?
Look up the psychology of the foot in the door technique and the consistency principle: basically, when people get invested in something, when that thing escalates, they're fine with it because (both consciously and unconsciously) they're in for a penny, in for a pound
Saw someone patting themselves on the back for down voting a "liberal" post with 100k upvotes. Like idk man maybe if that many people are saying something you should reconsider if there's some truth to it
Every time there's an absolutely heinous, jaw-dropping blatant abuse of power and display of a lack of basic humanity that would have had any other president resign in shame (and there have been SO MANY in this term and the last one) there's a brief surge in shocked and questioning reactions in that sub...
Until the talking points get rolled out by the propaganda outlets. Then they're all fine again because they can cling to their Emotional Support Lies and meme on the situation, nestling back into the comfortable safe world view where they're not the baddies again.
"Surely people won't just swallow an all-out war with their neighboring state, where a fuckton of folks have relatives? That's 100% going too far, they would never..."
A lesson learned. One should never underestimate degenerates.
There are some normal people there. But they get banned. Before Reddit changed how it registers engagement, you could see the "people here now" counter in that sub dropping week by week. I think it's maybe a few thousand people now. They are hemorrhaging and it's just loud losers now.
Calling Reddit, the site they use, a leftist echochamber while only allowing flaired users to post and feeling smug about it. Irony has never been their strong suit.
And every single post that gets downvoted into oblivion because people are genuinely horrified by their pro-murder stance of people they disagree with is OBVIOUSLY just being downvoted by Trump-hating bots!!! Thats it, that must be the reason, why would anyone dislike our fascist, nazi propaganda???
By their definition anything that is not 100% on the line of the current regime is being fake or a brigadier, so yes any form of even mild dissent labels you as a domestic terrorist over there.
Definitely, any online right wing place is astroturfed by bad actors and bots to normalise fascism. It's a propaganda battle online and the fash control the mechanisms.
I always go back to this song...to remind myself that the fight against fascism never ended.
Definitely, any online right wing place is astroturfed by bad actors and bots to normalise fascism. It's a propaganda battle online and the fash control the mechanisms.
I always go back to this song...to remind myself that the fight against fascism never ended.
Crazy how easily these people went from "don't trust the government and exercise your second amendment right" to "do as the government says and if you own a gun, you need to be publicly executed."
And at the same time Noem is telling them "the government cannot be trusted" on live TV. Dumbest bunch of turds on earth. A party made of literal chimpanzees would be more intelligent.
I always found deflecting criticism by citing "Trump Derangement Syndrome" to be ridiculous. It always read as "stop paying attention to what we're doing to you!!!" more than anything else. There are many things one can be ambivalent about, but the ruler of the most powerful nation on the planet being a mentally unstable piece of trash isn't one of them...
Do those MAGA ppl know they are being lied to? In my limited exposure they usually seem rather intent on believing alternative media and fox news nonsense.
They don't. The conservative I know said both these murders are justified, I asked if he saw any of the footage and he said no. I tried to show it to him and he refused to look at it. He's just going by what he's told and he trusts themselves completely. He's one of the many wind-up toys the GOP built.
They know, but they also think that admitting they were wrong or that they were tricked is almost, and sometimes, worse than death, so they'd rather double down forever on the lie than admit they were had.
I've seen the MAGA I know irl do this several times. They also won't even admit minor mistakes or apologize for anything, for the same reasons.
They believe admitting fault will destroy them. It's a power dynamic and ego thing, where they think that admitting fault is giving up power in an interpersonal relationship, and that admitting fault is only something weak and inferior people do.
It's not just a masculinity thing, because MAGA women do the same thing.
My dad is the same way. Last time I got into with him I told him Google is free and maybe he should consider fact-checking what was claimed and he said "I don't have to". That was back in 2025 right before the election and I refuse to talk to him about politics since for the sake of my grandmother.
I get my news from all over the globe, the written word only, no talking heads, read the same stories multiple times from multiple sources. He's been getting everything from his talk "news" radio programs since I was child.
I double check my info from multiple sources. He relies on only one source and does not question it, but I'm the "brainwashed" one.
Heh. I am fluent in French and one of the regular news sites I read is Le Monde and he tried to throw that in my face all the time. But his TV only seems to get two channels ESPN and Fox News.
You can’t have “TDS” when Trump is in power and engaging in blatant corruption, such as sending out gestapo and giving them orders to break the constitution, having his DOJ cover up his involvement in a pedophile ring, and constantly gaslighting the public with bullshit only his idiot supporters could believe
My grandma is deep in the cult and shares a lot of the propaganda she sees on Facebook, so I get a special look into the bullshit that she sees. They don't show the real footage, and if they do, they think it's fake. It's cognitive dissonance, they can't and won't accept empirical evidence that contradicts their beliefs. With the Renee Good incident, there was a completely different AI video that was widely shared of an "alternate angle" that showed her accelerating and hitting the ice agent with enough force that that man would either not be alive or would be gravely injured. This was the "real video that the radical left didn't want you to see." Even though it was a different car and was obviously not what happened.
ICE has murdered far more than just two citizens, and Renee Good wasn’t the first, but MAGA only started taking any notice when ICE started killing white people.
Not to take away from how fucking vile ICE is and the point of the comic, but saying it’s only been two unarmed citizens ignores all the brown and black citizens who were killed before people started really paying attention.
Right, but even if we're only looking at cases of ICE killing citizens in cold blood out in the open like they did with Renee Good and Alex Pretti, there were over a dozen BIPOC people killed by ICE that didn't receive even one one-hundredth of the public outrage.
There are also thousands of people getting disappeared too, but I wanted to call attention to the racist discrepancy in how many calls to action we've seen over two white citizens now versus the dozen-plus BIPOC citizens who went through the exact same shit even earlier. My focus was on the direct comparison, because I wanted to highlight how people still have a responsibility to pay attention even when the people getting killed aren't "like them".
They will never admit it because it hurts their pride. I got in an argument with my conservative Republican mother-in-law about why she refused to believe that her and her parents were lied to about the existence of the Mojave green a fictional genetically engineered radioactive snake. I got her to admit that her being wrong about would hurt her pride too much. It was pathetic
This is what my maga family and acquaintances all act like. They operate as if admitting they were wrong or that they were tricked would cause instant death.
I called my MAGA dad for his birthday today and one of the first things he said was “I don’t think I’m ever going to vote again.” We weren’t even talking politics or anything. Something was weighing on him I think.
Half of MAGA are cheering the executions and want to see more. Many, many more. They want to see protests met with mass deadly force. They've wanted this for a long time.
It's a struggle for reality itself. They will adapt to the truth.There was no murder. If there was, it was his fault, if it was not his fault, he was in the wrong place, if he wasn't, somehow he deserved it. They will find an excuse, or insult you. If they can't insult you, they will become abusive and they can't be abusive, they might Just shoot you too.
Execution is murder as an official act of a state. The Nazis committed mass executions. Executions can done for without what’d traditionally be considered a crime and a trial.
Why do so many seem to think executions are a part of law and order? It’s not. It’s archaic and savage.
Uhh... I hate to tell you this, but most of the world was mad about the US way before all this stuff. Even before the whole George Floyd thing.
The USA have overthrown governments, bombed, invaded and destabilized other countries, indiscriminately and illegally killed, abducted and tortured people and protected ethically questionable interests of their companies. The resulting deaths, injuries, mutilations and flights are counted in millions.
Sorry of this sounds harsh, but a few more of your own citizes being killed by your government don't make much of a difference when it comes to your reputation.
The problem is that a lot of people around the world support Trump. My best mates inlaws are Hungarian and they wholeheartedly support him. They don't speak any English so whatever their national news tells them they believe it. And since the Hungarian gov is pro Putin and Trump... They just dub and subtitle all the news into Hungarian and can say whatever they want. I'm sure other non English speaking countries can do the same thing.
Execution means there’s a legal justification behind the action (such as executing criminals) since there is no legal justification behind these killings then the correct term would murder
Execution does not necessitate it being legal or justified.
ICE did condemn then carry out the murders of two innocent people. Pretti’s death in particular was done in a way that is often considered “execution style” even when done by serial killers. He was held down and shot in the back of the head.
Do you really think it’s the time to care about the semantics of someone speaking out when two innocent people were murdered by savages who were sent out on the streets by the government that promised to protect their rights to life liberty and property?
Well you’re not wrong, but even if we assume the MAGA morons are right about the whole “self defense” argument they’re executions. And that’s not great either
I wonder what the calculus for acceptable collateral damage will be. Is it two? Is it 20? Is it 1000?
I've seen a lot of FAFO. Yeah, protesting something you don't agree with is grounds for murder. There are fucking KKK rallies and they haven't been murdered.
I've noticed something recently and I'm pretty sure it's bots so if you've seen a similar comment then I know it's true but whenever there's been a major fuck up like the two killings or the 2 year old being arrested there's always a couple people post " I believe there's more to this than we know we'll have to wait a few days for the investigation to happen before we can assume anything" ( I'm paraphrasing here but thats the jist of it)
Also a lot of people referring to the victims as criminals? Which is odd given what's happened recently.
MAGA has no idea the world dislikes Trump. The media they ingest tells them he’s highly respected by other world leaders and other countries. They think it’s false propaganda if they hear otherwise.
Whenever I think of trump derangement syndrome, I just think of that lawmaker who tried to make it a mental illness, then got arrested for trying to solicit sex with a minor.
It's like an echo chamber. Any and every very valid criticism of him or his insane administration and all they can say is "rent free, rent free, rent free" like goddamn parrots.
They are shameless. I never knew being shameless could be like a social disease.
From Google: Shameless people lack a sense of shame, modesty, or decency, acting with brazenness, disregard for social norms, or even a lack of empathy, often seen in characters from the show Shameless, or as a psychological defense mechanism against past trauma or low self-esteem, but can also be linked to traits like narcissism or psychopathy. They might ignore consequences, prioritize personal gain, or express emotions loudly, sometimes stemming from a need to be impenetrable or to project shame onto others.
Characteristics
Lack of remorse: Insensible to disgrace or guilt.
Disregard for norms: May break social rules or act inappropriately.
Self-centeredness: Focus on their own needs, viewing others as assets.
Empathy deficit: May struggle to understand or care about others' feelings.
Defensiveness: Can be overly boastful or aggressive to cover up vulnerabilities.
Potential causes
Trauma: A way to cope with past shaming or difficult experiences, as noted in discussions on the show Shameless.
Psychological conditions: Sometimes associated with narcissism or psychopathy (lack of shame proneness).
Learned behavior: A pattern developed from childhood experiences or a lack of positive role models.
Defense mechanism: A reaction to deep-seated feelings of shame, trying to become "impenetrable”.
It's standard conservative whine. Back in the day it was "Bush derangement syndrome" because how could anyone be upset at the administration that lied us into war
I really, really wonder what is 'line' is for those people. Then I remember, their line is most likely 'As long as the party I SUPPORT is doing it. I don't care'
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