Hello folks.

We have seen an influx of posts regarding Palestine. While we do generally avoid commenting on political matters, there have been a few misunderstandings that need to be cleared up.

Pro-Palestine posts have a green light!
The mod team has always tried to keep political matters out of this subreddit, however, we have decided to make an exception for this situation. Posts supporting Palestine will be allowed, and posts removed by the automoderator due to mass reporting will be reinstated.

Reposts will be removed as usual. Be creative.

Edit: Posts still need to be related to Undertale. They will be subject to removal otherwise.

Posts may still be removed if mass-reported so if you see a removed post with no removal reason attached, it's probably automod. We are notified when this happens but feel free to message us if you spot one and it will be restored.

Pro-Palestine posts will not get you banned. Wishing death on others will.
As far as we can tell, the recent increase in pro-Palestine posts started with a user getting banned so I'd like to clear this up. Posting about the genocide will not get you banned.

The user in question was banned for wishing death on other people, the wording in that post was too extreme and potentially in violation of Reddit's site-wide rules so we had to take action.

There are good ways of keeping up the fight. That was not it.
You should keep talking about the genocide but wishing death on others will not change anything.

Your posts should express support. We are all angry about what's happening in Palestine but blindly aggressive posts won't be welcome here.

In short, don't be aggressive, you will still get banned if you break other rules.

Why were posts/comments removed?
A couple of reasons:

• The mod team initially wanted to keep these posts out as per rule 6.
  We have now decided to make an exception.

• The automoderator is capable of removing posts when mass-reported which happened to nearly all of them. Automoderator removals leave the same "This post was removed by the moderators" message as manual removals.

• Some posts and comments broke other rules, the discussions often got rather heated. These were removed as any other debates that get too heated.

Why allow these posts?
This is an Undertale subreddit and politics should be kept to a minimum.
However, we still wish to express sympathy towards those affected.
Silence won't change anything.

With this in mind, please keep in mind that most of these posts may be locked.
We want to express our support but this subreddit still isn't a good place for political debates.
Try to keep those to a minimum.

TL;DR: What now?

• Most of the removed posts regarding this matter should be restored soon.

• Reposts of the original posts will be removed.

• Issued bans, as of now, will be upheld due to the above.

How can I help Palestine?

The easiest way to help is to speak out. Silence helps the oppressor.

If you wish to help financially here are some related charities you can donate to.

• Palestine Children's Relief Fund

• The list is incomplete. This is the one charity I am familiar with and I don't really want to go off what shows up in Google as the first result when it comes to judging if a charity is legitimate. If you know a charity you'd want on this list please leave a comment and I'll look into adding it.

As an honorable mention, this Tumblr post is a pretty good resource to learn about the situation.

That's it for now. We will continue to monitor the situation.
Thank you to everyone who spoke out!

I find it incredible that the most hyped mod in the entire community is in such an opaque state.

This is after they promised transparency in previous devlogs, which makes it even more disappointing.

Not only does it take them four months to announce that they’re going to cut back on what we’ve seen so far and add a few minor extras, but they also don’t announce anything about it at all. No progress updates, no apologies for inactivity, nothing of the sort. They just stay silent without showing us anything we can go on.

It’s not just that we’ve gone six months without any news—it’s been even longer than that. The last devlog that actually showed anything was over a year ago, when they showed a Sans sprite that was already on the GameJolt homepage but had been deleted, a Monterkid sprite, and a remix they’d already posted months ago on the main channel. And a few posts before that, they only released a devlog mentioning that they’d added running Frisk sprites. In that same devlog, they announced they wouldn’t be doing monthly devlogs anymore and that they wanted a format more similar to Toby Fox’s newsletters, which is understandable. The thing is, since then, Toby has released three newsletters with actual content, seriously discussing the game’s status and providing hints, while they’ve only shown one new sprite, a remix, and announced that they were going to release a cut-down version of the mod.

Considering all the team behind it and how long they’ve been working on it, I find it pretty strange that they haven’t been able to finish all the battle sprites or include add-ons like “Random Soul” or even the “Deset Bus” (which Cibels did in a livestream, btw)—and that they’re going to release it right away. So right now, we’re told that Plus Lite “is coming out” this year—it’s September, six months have passed, and we know absolutely nothing about how their development is going.

My theory is that they’re preparing to announce it at the Underevent, more specifically during the honorable mentions—just like Undertale Red & Yellow did to announce their 2.0 update. Why this theory? Well, it would be similar to what Toby Fox does with Nintendo Directs—that’s all.

In conclusion, we have a mod we’ve known nothing about for months, and our only hope lies in an event that more than half the community probably doesn’t even know about. (Since it doesn’t even have 100k subscribers on YouTube, and the livestreams don’t even reach 500k views.)

I think it’s interesting how people are so quick to defend Kris in the weird route. Especially since Kris is just as responsible for it happening as much as the player is.

Obviously we should take these lines from ERAM with a grain of salt, however, I think it gives us some insight into Kris’s psyche for the weird route. Especially when it comes to chapter 2. Isn’t it strange how Kris doesn’t really have a reaction to the weird route events of that chapter, despite it being the most impactful so far? It’s only after they see the player continuing on this path that they start to think it’s too much and want out.

Part of them wanted to see what would happen if you took things to a different level and they got it. Does Kris regret it? Probably. That doesn’t stop the fact that they let it go way too far.

Hell, they even continue to let it go farther. It’s for different reasons pertaining to their plan with the knight, but that doesn’t stop the fact that they are still letting the soul proceed on and on. They let us go so far, to the point where we commit a murder suicide with their friend. Why wouldn’t they tell Toriel, or Susie, or even Sans before they got to the lake? Why wouldn’t they scream for help? Or even rip the soul out? They clearly still possess some agency in the weird route even if it’s less due to the growing power of the soul. Kris obviously still needs the player for something, whatever that ‘something’ is means the soul must remain a secret at all costs.

At what point can we blame the person that stands by and lets atrocities happen? At what point are they a Saul Goodman to a Walter White? At what point do we say taking a gamble with the lives of your friends and family is wrong?

Kris in the weird route is a bad person. At least I can say that I’m not actually hurting anyone since none of the this is real to me anyway.

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You should be required to call them they/them. Of course you can accidentally call them something else but if you refuse to admit that you were wrong then that shouldn't be allowed because that's just causing discourse. (in light of recent events where this one guy keeps bringing it up)

r/Deltarune has a rule like this.

I put this under meme flair but i am just realizing this

first meme: u/Chikin2

second meme: ... same as first

third meme: u/Comic-Cherry

fourth meme: u/Leading_Ad_9463

Bonus fifth meme: u/SquashPurple4512

https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/UsmanaliF because this is how we make a difference 💚

CARE FOR GAZA'S SOCIALS: https://twitter.com/CareForGaza , @CareForGaza on instagram! Palestinians have confirmed this is a real organization and they are doing donations, let's provide some food for children like Fibs!

Can we not have a single fucking bit of seriousness or nuance for an extremely serious topic???? This is just a small sample, I've seen so much worse on YouTube.

I live in the Usa and The taxes for shipping turn a 36 dollar plushie into 40. But the problem I have with small companies that merchandise always feel overpriced for me. A simple blank tee with image or sans hoodie is insanely overpriced. As much as I believe high quality is a good thing. It just kinda feels like we're being priced out of being able to but anything from fangamer. I only have 1 plushie. And it's great but I don't feel it was worth the price

We aren’t even flooding the sub with actual unrelated spam, y’all started the argument on Palestine related posts. We aren’t posting videos of gazan hospitals being blown up, we are making undertale art and posting it there, and these people are not only showing not a single ounce of empathy, they are also calling these art “spam”, “Low quality” and just directly calling it bad, this discourages artists from drawing more undertale art because of how bitchy these people are, these artists and pro Palestine posts are contributing to the sub more than the people complaining ever did, what else do you what to see in this sub? Reposted art and low quality memes? This isn’t another annoying trend like the Noelle antlers thing, this is an actual ethnic cleansing. You aren’t a knight in shining armour protecting your precious sub from being flooded with spam, you’re an unempathetic whiny bitch who would rather complain about spreading awareness on a terrible thing happening. Some of you downright admitted you came here to escape the Palestine posts which is pretty selfish. Just stop arguing and let people post the undertale Palestine art

Listen, I hate AI art too, but can there please be some kind of limit on the number of Chara in a bunny hoodie posts?

Follow up to previous post regarding the "trend," It's actually been a day now.

I’m sorry but it just annoys me so much that people take this line seriously. That they act like this line disproves him remembering Resets. He’s being a sarcastic ass. You know his whole shtick.

And let’s think logically for a second. How would he know any of this? The only other person we know for sure can reset is Flowey.

For him to be able to tell how many times someone’s died that would mean in the Undertale Timeline Flowey has faced Sans up to I believe 12 times at least. Each time resetting no more then 11 times before giving up never repeating a number. Otherwise what frame of reference is using to know what it looks like after someone’s died a certain number of times.

And that’s not getting into how some of his. “That expression dialogue” its self implies he’s actually counting. Notably saying he’s not going to be able to keep counting after 11. Indicating that he has been counting, meaning he remembers what’s been happening. You want to take his expression quip seriously, you need to take this seriously too.

And like I don’t have an issue if you still don’t think he remembers resets but it is not at all what’s being implied in the game, you are no more right then someone that says he does remember

Thank you for coming to my Sans Talk