As in, we can have differences of opinion, of what is right and wrong and the best path forward.
But not differences of fact and alternative realities that are totally opposite from what is happening.
Like I believe X is wrong, or should be legal or illegal. I like A or than B. I think we should do Z to solve problem P.
But what I see happening instead is: No that never happened, that's fake news, both sides did it, he never said that.
Political debates are essentially they're trying to convince you with total confidence that actual reality is fake abd biased and unfair against their political parties and their leaders.
This is something the Russians have really centered in their strategy.
They say You have your facts, and we have ours.
In reality, Russia invaded Ukraine and is mass murdering and mass torturing people right now and Ukrainians are trapped in Hell fighting for their lives.
But the Russians, and the political movements they've merged with here in our democracies, insist Ukraine and Zelenky are to blame and are Nazis and the aggressor.
This would be like someone breaking into your home and shooting at you and your family, then blaming you and demanding you give up your home to them as a peace tribute.
In the same way in the US, we should disagreements about what is right and what is fair and what we should do.
But there is no debating that the President very openly sent his brainwashed cultists to beat and torture people at the Capitol with the goal of breaking into the Chambers of Congress and physically preventing them from certifying an election.
The Leader of this Party is openly attempting and the entire political party has defended this - and their media machine has somehow brainwashed their millions into denying and defending an attack on them.
The idea that this political party is their team and they must defend it at all costs.
Even when they're openly breaking the laws to protect Epstein at all costs.
I notice every criticism or even discussion of reality is attacked by these people who take it personally, like any criticism of the Party is an attack on them and their "team."
It's not about my side vs your side. We're on the same side. We live in the sane communities and we're all endangered every single day this Russian asset has this enormous power.
When I say this party is openly attempting coups against us, it's because I care about all of us.
I feel like we can't even havw fact based discussions of reality because reality itself is now considered "political".
To my mind isn't even political.
I haven't said like we ban x or have a wealth tax or anything actually.
Basic objective reality is not political expression.
To my mind, the supporters of this party live in a totally opposite reality from us.
What is actually happening day to day and what they consume in their alternative media, Joe Rogan podcasts etc, is completely opposite and contradictory.
Is anyone else noticing this same pattern?
The President daily threatens to invade Canada and rule over it as a God and has factually imposed harsh economic sanctions - and his entire Parry has blocked in Congress any attempts to stop the war and threats to rape Canada.
It's so extreme and deadly. The followers of thus political party say it's a joke, it's fake news, it's not real.
But that's not anything debate.
We say it's right or wrong, but whether it's actually real is not debatable. It's impacting all our lives. The safety security of Canada and all democracies on earth are in grave danger because our most powerful ally is turning their weapons against us while bending the knee to Russia and Putin.
The US under the control of this Party with Elon Musk acting as over arching controller pouring trillions into shaping the party to his whims and creating these alternative reality machines - it is real, and it's affecting all of us.
You can't just accuse of being insane and abd ranting and both sides do it - and treat that as a political disagreement.
Facts and reality don't bend to anyone's whims.
What happened on Jan. 6 is fact. There's thousands of witnesses, many testified under oath. So how does Joe Rogan blaming antifahs and the FBI alter the fact that this political party is openly running anti American coup plays against us.
The fact that all the voters of this party say it's fake as a collective and deny it and blame scapegoats for their own party's coups is not at all a valid argument or debatable.