r/StLouis • • Apr 07 '24

Ask STL Racist Dress Code

82 Upvotes

This is in reference to Start Bar on 1000 Spruce. My friend is black and was wearing sweatpants and they immediately rejected him from entering and blamed it on the sweatpants. Directly after, two white people that look like a couple in matching Nike sweaters and sweatpants (the same pair my friend was wearing) go to the stand. they stand there for 5+ minutes repeatedly looking at me down the street, to i’m assuming, see if im watching. after 5 minutes they go in. I run over and ask the bouncer why they got to go in but my friend didn’t with the same pants.

I couldn’t find a dress code posted anywhere, not on the building, not on their website. so I call BS on the sweatpant thing period.

He tells me “they’re bartenders”. I call BS. I’ve been in the service industry 10+ years and I haven’t once heard of a bar shift starting after midnight. so what they work the last 3 hours and close? sounds like a bad gig. When do you do last call 2? so they can make money for an hour and a half and then start closing. do you bartenders wear the same thing? are the sweatpants dress code for the bartenders? do you have a couple bartending there that come in in matching outfits. is there not a back entrance for employees? if they were bartenders they were late for their shift, because they waited at that door past midnight to make sure I wasn’t looking.

Now what I do know objectively, was to try and cull me, the bouncer said “we’re usually really ghetto in here” addressing his black patronage.

STL is better than this. This dress code is entirely racially motivated. Start bar should be boycotted.

Im trying to push this to the largest audience I can, so If anyone has any ideas please let me know.

EDIT: because of the comments i’m getting, i want to emphasize some details i left out. the “bartenders” showed their IDs. after that the bouncer told me they were there for a shift and that their shifts start at 3, 6, 9, and 12.

2nd EDIT: i will no longer reply to racist people in the comments. you did not stump me by claiming i’m playing into the progressive conspiracy theory of “racism” in our country. I know what I saw and no one can convince me different. I wish I would have filmed and I regret not taking evidence. I will also not just let this go as the comments suggest. I want to sit out there for a few days and film the door from the sidewalk. I want to see if different bouncers handle the dress code differently. I understand they’re going to call the police immediately. But i can’t imagine ill be anymore of a nuisance than the pastor on the megaphone posted up across the street. i’m going to educated myself on what my rights are before I go. If I go, I will be posting what I find. I need to figure out what my rights are before I set a plan in place. I’m not letting this go.

Final Edit: I am done responding to this post. I am grateful to those that commented their support, shared experience, and knowledge/information of this particular business. I am not surprised by those who want to make personal attacks on my character, accuse me of lying about the entire thing, and blatantly display their personal prejudice or lack of empathy in their comments. I regret responding to comments without merit or feeling to need to go back and forth with people. Ignorance meeting ignorance goes no where. I should have remained silent. I did not expect this post to gain the level of traction it did, but I am grateful it did. I might never change the minds of people who hold prejudice. I feel accomplished in reaching as many people as I did. I will look at what else I can do to bring positive change to my city IRL and off reddit. I will not delete my post or my comments. thank you.


r/StLouis • • Sep 10 '23

8 Little Fascists had a "Parade" Today through Earth City & St. Charles

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r/StLouis • • Mar 05 '26

Anti-War Protest this Saturday

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76 Upvotes

Stop the War on Iran!

The protest will be at Arsenal and Grand. Should start at 1:00pm this Saturday, March 7.


r/StLouis • • Jul 03 '25

Friendly reminder that setting off fireworks in the city is illegal 👍🏻🇺🇸✌🏻(so please don’t do it)

94 Upvotes

Hello all, I’m sure as we’re all aware (or maybe not aware) setting off fireworks is illegal in St. Louis city.

Here’s some reasons why:

  • St. Louis is an extremely dense city, and most homes were built very close to one another. If you light one house on fire, most likely the whole block will go up in flames

  • Many people currently have tarps on their homes from weather damage, which will increase the likelihood of a fire starting, or it going through into someone’s home

  • It’s been pretty dry, and grass is more likely to catch on fire

  • You are financially responsible for damages to someone’s home

  • Lighting fireworks also creates a lot of litter in people’s yards

  • and most importantly: Not everyone needs to hear it! Pets, people who are sensitive to loud sounds, veterans with PTSD, children, or your neighbors don’t need to hear a war zone. Please just spare it!

If you want to light off fireworks, do your research and find a wide open spot away from grass, trees, homes, and people to light them off! I would highly suggest soaking the ground a bit before as well. And please don’t let your kids play with them. 🤦🏻‍♀️

That is all, thank you and happy 4th! 🧨🇺🇸


r/StLouis • • Aug 06 '25

Free Palestine

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67 Upvotes

Weasley bell has repeatedly voted for send weapons to Israel (despite the leahy laws that make it illegal to send funds to groups committing human rights violations) to aid in the genocide, the purposeful starvation and occupation of both the West Bank and Gaza. After taking over 12 million dollars from the pro Israel, MAGA funded super pack AIPAC. If you think we shouldn’t be funding the bombing and starvation of children and should be using that money right here in saint louis. Come join me and many others August 19.


r/StLouis • • Sep 05 '26

Food / Drink Pavilion @ Sado - Overhyped (Review)

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Finally got to try Sado and its highest-tier omakase experience, Pavilion. I’d been excited about this for a while after hearing nothing but great things, including several people calling it some of the best sushi they’ve had anywhere in the world.

Unfortunately, I disagree by quite a bit. And at the risk of sounding harsh, some of the praise honestly made me wonder how much sushi these reviewers have had outside of St. Louis.

Before anyone gets bent out of shape, I completely respect that food is subjective. This is simply my personal take on the experience.

I’ve had great sushi in Japan, NYC, LA, and elsewhere, and Pavilion sadly doesn’t compare for me. I genuinely wish it did.

There is a lot to like here. The concept is great, service was excellent, and we loved the personality and energy of the sushi chefs. They were a ton of fun, told great stories, and made the meal entertaining. Pavilion itself also has a great intimate atmosphere, tucked away in the back of Sado.

It’s also clear that they care about sourcing quality ingredients, properly aging their fish, and developing creative dishes.

But for me, the overwhelming dependence on sauces and toppings is the experience’s biggest downfall.

Maybe they’ve found that St. Louis and regional diners prefer heavily dressed nigiri, but I thought it frequently covered up ingredients that were/should be good enough to speak for themselves.

A soy/miso-style glaze was brushed onto every (yes, every) nigiri course. And when I say “brushed,” I don’t mean a light touch. Three strokes vertically, two horizontally, with some pieces arriving on the plate practically dripping in it.

On top of that, many courses received flaky salt, seaweed mixtures, salted egg, or some other additional topping. Instead of enhancing the fish, I thought these additions often diluted or completely masked its natural flavor.

By halfway through the meal, every time the chef reached for the sauce brush, I cringed.

For the torched courses, they seemed to use a different, thicker eel-style baste, which I actually didn’t mind. But overall, my feeling was simple: don’t hide the fish behind a facade.

This isn’t traditional sushi, which isn’t necessarily a criticism by itself. There’s nothing wrong with trying to create a distinctive style. And judging by the overwhelming praise Pavilion receives, that style clearly works for a lot of people. It just didn’t work for me.

Beyond the nigiri, I thought some composed dishes were similarly heavy-handed. The broth in the Sahara Yaki, for example, struck me as extremely sweet-forward and lacking balance.

There were definitely highlights. The Masu Green Curry trout was very well prepared and paired beautifully with the curry. The smoked scallop had a perfect kiss of smoke without overwhelming the scallop itself. And the Wagyu nigiri was excellent. Ironically, it was one of the few courses where I thought the brushed-on sauce really worked.

Also they use fresh wasabi root and that stuff is pricey so I love the dedication there.

Ultimately, almost everything surrounding the food was great: the service, chefs, atmosphere, ingredients, concept, and overall vibe.

But the food itself, the most important part, fell pretty flat for me.

I went in hoping Pavilion might deliver a genuinely world-class omakase experience in St. Louis. Instead, I left feeling that the fish was too often buried underneath sauces, salt, and toppings that it simply didn’t need.

In my opinion, this is much closer to Sushi AI (Clayton one, not Arnold. IYKYK) than Masa.

EDIT:

I think the Sushi AI comparison is getting more weight than I intended it to carry.

I’m not saying Pavilion is the same as Sushi AI, or even particularly similar to it.

Think of a huge spectrum with thousands of sushi restaurants on it. Sushi AI and Masa aren’t meant to be the absolute endpoints, just two recognizable reference points. There are plenty of places I’d put well below Sushi AI and places I’d put above Masa. My point was simply that Pavilion falls closer to Sushi AI than Masa for me, particularly because of the heavy use of sauces, toppings, and composed flavors versus the more restrained, fish-forward approach I associate with the other side of that spectrum. Pavilion can be closer to Sushi AI than Masa while still being very far from Sushi AI itself.

The review wasn’t meant to troll or provoke anyone. I completely understand that taste is subjective, and clearly a lot of people love Pavilion. I went in wanting to love it too. This was simply my experience and my personal taste. You can absolutely disagree with where I placed it on that spectrum, but saying “closer to Sushi AI than Masa” isn’t the same as saying “Pavilion is Sushi AI.”

I considered removing that line since so many people seem laser-focused on it, but I’ve decided to leave it in because, with the above context, it still accurately reflects my personal opinion.


r/StLouis • • Aug 21 '24

First and Foremost Protect Trans Kids and Adults But Like What Are Y'all Doing In Bathrooms That's Got You So Scared...?

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r/StLouis • • May 10 '14

Open homosexual drafted by the Rams

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r/StLouis • • Oct 24 '22

fuck america

0 Upvotes

I don't know if I'm even gonna keep going to school. This is so fucking stupid.

If you own a gun go to hell. Don't give me a fucking excuse I'm not listening to your bs.


r/StLouis • • Jul 27 '21

Car window smashed for second time in July

1 Upvotes

Don’t even think about moving into this city right now if your not already stuck here. It’s a lawless wasteland full of unvaccinated cretins who will rob you blind or shoot you in the face. Fuck you scum bags.


r/StLouis • • Aug 13 '26

Anybody going to the DSA meetup at the Tick Tock tonight?

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Title basically. I'm shy and would love to know if there is going to be anybody there. Would also appreciate any advice from past participants about anything I might need to know outside the fact it is a cash only bar.

Thanks.


r/StLouis • • Apr 26 '24

[meta] can we ban posts that ask about a certain part of town being safe?

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If you are in town during the day 99.99% no matter where you are is safe. If you have a Kia, there is an increased likelihood of your car being stolen. If you leave stuff visibly in your car, you are going to have it broken into. Otherwise, you are most likely fine.

Can we sticky this or start deleting posts?


r/StLouis • • Jan 28 '25

Protests

21 Upvotes

Does anyone have information regarding protests in STL? I know there's one at Kiener plaza on Feb 1st regarding immigration laws, but I'm trying to become involved in the community and I'm not sure where to start. Any information would be appreciated!


r/StLouis • • Aug 08 '26

Extremely hot take: Clementine’s ice cream is not good.

155 Upvotes

Clementines is not good, and almost everything about it I dislike. Their whole marketing thing is about how local, unique, and specialty their flavors are, but it’s kind of a lie. If you look at the back of a pint, the ingredients are literally things like high fructose corn syrup, or ”natural flavors” it’s ridiculous. The pints are also extremely expensive, being sometimes like $12-16 each. As opposed to Ben & Jerry’s or something, which is at most $6 with actual ingredients.

Now, this is a little more subjective, but their flavors also are getting worse I believe. I recently tried “Dr. Dirty Soda”, which was supposed to be Dr. Pepper I believe, but it tasted pretty much entirely like cough syrup. It was also ”naturally flavored” (which means it’s not organic). So, in my opinion, I think Clementine’s has been a disappointment recently, and I probably won’t be going back for any ice cream anytime soon.


r/StLouis • • Sep 24 '24

#SaveMarcellusWilliams

57 Upvotes

There is less than 3 more hours for Mr Williams to be saved from execution! This is not right! This is his life!! Again there has been no DNA proof. He is and has been innocent since they “convicted” him in 2001. He needs some time of his life with his son!


r/StLouis • • May 10 '24

Things to Do I went to the “Twilight Thursdays” concert at the MO History Museum and it was disgusting

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So, the concert itself was great. It was a fantastic local R&B artist Anita Jackson, and she did a great job. But the attendees… So horrible. First, there was so much marijuana. You just smell it from all directions the entire time. I’m fine with people smoking but I wasn’t expecting this to smell like a Phish concert.

Then there was the noise. Nobody was actually paying attention at all. They were all talking and shouting. Laughing so loud. And most people brought their own cooler of alcohol and they were drinking so much more than I would expect for a concert at the History Museum. By intermission, many people around us were straight up drunk, laughing very loudly that we couldn’t even hear the concert. We ended up leaving.

I think the concert is a great idea. But in practice, it doesn’t work. It should be no outside alcohol and no weed. I don’t think we will be back.


r/StLouis • • Jan 25 '26

Please clear your sidewalks

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I don't mean literally you if you are unable.


r/StLouis • • Jan 25 '26

Barber that isn't MAGA

0 Upvotes

Need to find a barber that isn't MAGA. Prefer NOCO.


r/StLouis • • Aug 02 '25

Restaurant manager upset traffic safety improvements will work as intended and slow down drivers.

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8 Upvotes

r/StLouis • • Mar 15 '25

Barnes hospital accident

96 Upvotes

If any of y'all on here have a family member that suffered a head injury from a fall while in the ER room last night around 6pm please shoot me a message, I'd be more than happy to provide a statement to them or their lawyer if they chose to go that route. The guy fell and laid in the floor for almost 10 minutes before someone checked on him and he was out cold.

Man was African American, mid 30s maybe early 40s. I know it's a long shot but what happened to him was ridiculous and infuriating. I know the staff heard it, I felt the floor shake it was so hard of a fall.


r/StLouis • • Sep 10 '22

To all the liberal redditors of St. Louis; do you all try and avoid living near black people?

22 Upvotes

I guess this post is directed towards people who would consider themselves progressive/liberal but conservatives can answer too.

I'm a white guy who has lived in north county pretty much all my life. 95% of my neighbors are black and I've never had any intention of moving because I like where I live and like all my neighbors.

All of my relatives, both liberal and conservative left the area and moved to the chesterfields, st. charles, st. peters, st. counties of the world when the mass white flight started to happen.

I guess what I'm surprised about is that all of my white progressive/liberal friends I went to high school and college have done the same thing. They live in the white neighborhoods where I don't see a single black person around, while at the same time they make go to protests and make social media postings about racial profiling etc.

I get that you can be racist no matter what side of the aisle you're on, but to me I feel like it's maybe a little bit racist how you completely avoid living near black people when you're so open about protesting racial injustices.

Sorry if I upset anyone. I just get a little upset when I see things like white flight and racism happening from people no what their political views are.


r/StLouis • • Jul 19 '26 This

Traffic/Road Conditions There’s no need for flashers

71 Upvotes

I get it when it rains visibility is poor and you need to reduce speed, but what is the point of EVERYONE turning on your flashers? That’s not what they are for and if you feel conditions are that bad that you “need” them pull over to the far right lane at least. If you’re driving slower than everyone else it’s one thing, but when everybody is doing basically the same speed it’s pointless. Rant over thank you for listening.


r/StLouis • • Jan 18 '23

It's truly disgusting how prevalent thinly veiled racism is on this sub.

300 Upvotes

The comments on any divisive issue that even has a toe in race politics will always have highly upvoted comments that are at minimum racist dog-whistles. And often outright bigotry.

I just saw a comment today that said we should put walls up around the city of St Louis and just trap everyone inside. Literally talking about imprisoning the undesirables in public and getting a pat on the back for it.

Even removing race from the issue, the way that people on this subreddit seem to be supported in their hatred for the poor and impoverished is just absolutely vile.

Is this just a subreddit for the wealthy white residents of St Louis? There needs to be a major reality check.

If you think I'm talking about you, I am. If you're triggered by this post, you're the racist I'm talking about.


r/StLouis • • Jul 09 '25

Queer and TRANS friendly thrift stores in area?

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My gorgeous trans-daughter needs interview clothes. As they have been finding their style and becoming more comfortable dressing in a way that affirms their gender, it has all been fun clothes. Now I am trying to help them collect a few things appropriate to interview at/work at places like Schnucks, Walgreens, and eventually more upscale places.

They are just learning their sizes and style preferences, along with figuring out what sort of pieces are strategic purchases for work.

The typical trans-protective shopping style is to purchase what you hope works, try it on at home in a 100% safe space, and then return what doesn't work.

Thrift stores don't allow returns or exchanges.

So where can we go shopping where trans people are embraced? Where can she actually try on items and see how they fit, and learn about what works and doesn't, without spending money we don't have? We are having a lot of fun together, in a way I never would have imagined, but we are looking for better spaces to do that in.

Bonus if there are staff who are eager to jump in and help. I am doing my best to not advise like the 53 year old woman that I am, but fashion is tricky for me at best.