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u/HolyGriddles Dec 27 '20
āDark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knewā
I mean they did immediately follow up this explanation. Makes sense to me.
The bigger question that I hope gets explained further in novels, comics, whatever is the livelihoods of the Sith Cultists on Exegol.
Generations and generations of troopers, and engineers, and pilots raised to be fully loyal to the Sith.
Were they wiped out after the Battle of Exegol? Where did they gather to eat, or where were their homes where they slept? Barracks where they were trained and indoctrinated?
These are bigger questions to me then how Palpatine returned
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u/ShamanBatman Dec 27 '20
Um the kaminoins knew how to clone though.... they literally made an army 200,000 strong.. and a million more well on the way
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u/HolyGriddles Dec 27 '20
Yeah, but you could never clone force users. At least not properly. It seems they tried with Palpatine, but it resulted in him quickly rotting/degrading and he had to be hooked up to that life support thing.
But they could make strand-castās which are bioengineered organisms that could be imbued with force sensitivity . Snoke was one (but even his body couldnāt handle his strong force powers). And Palpatines āsonā was another, but he didnāt get imbued with the force. So Palpatine waited for him to father a child force-sensitive enough to transfer his essence into.
Again, I have a much easier time making sense of that, then the deal with all the Sith cultists and their unlimited resources. The only thing we know about them is that they been there since the Galactic Civil War. Toiling away.
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u/palatablezeus Dec 27 '20
Or how did a single planet have the resources and manpower to build the largest fleet ever all with super weapons that required extensive mining of kyber crystals to create?
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u/KYLO733 Dec 27 '20
I'm still confused about the science in this movie. So in a year the FO manage to fit hyperdrives onto TIE fighters? Okay I could get behind that.
In a year the FO managed to fit a hyperdrive and hyperdrive tracker, the latter of which took up a gargantuan room in the Supremacy? Err...
In a year the FO/Palpatine managed to fit what needed an entire planet onto a tiny cannon attached to a small Star Destroyer? Nope I'm done.
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u/TwunnySeven Knows what he has to do but doesn't knowifhehasthestrengthtodoit Dec 28 '20
āDark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knewā
this is the thing that people don't seem to be getting. how did Palpatine return? who cares! he used sith force fuckery or something. it's star wars, you don't need to know how every little thing works. just accept the explanation of "somehow" and move on
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u/BillyEffingMays Dec 27 '20
Where did they gather to eat, or where were their homes where they slept? Barracks where they were trained and indoctrinated?
in a black and red version of a regular kitchen but also ran by meaner people. They also drank red milk instead of blue.
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u/zacharinosaur Dec 27 '20
Somehow... Palpatine announced his return in Fortnite
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u/deliciousprisms Dec 27 '20 edited Dec 27 '20
Honestly thatās the biggest middle finger to me. I donāt give two fucks about the fortnitebad bs, like the game if you want, but donāt tie major plot of a movie trilogy to a secondary source like a fucking event based game.
Like why not just make the MYSTERIOUS MESSAGE crackle over the first few moments after the crawl so we can actually hear it?
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u/KYLO733 Dec 27 '20
Lmao I can't believe that was actually real. Sounds like a fever dream I'd have.
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u/italia06823834 Dec 27 '20
I had no idea that was even a thing until well after I had seen the movie.
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u/Comander-07 Dec 27 '20
I remember BK giving out a free burger via their app when you read the spoilers. Lmao shit was wild
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u/KyleGrave Dec 28 '20
I was at the event and I didn't even realize how significant it was that he was talking. I just thought it was a fun Star Wars thing and didn't pay attention to it as an important plot device. What a disaster
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u/kirkmiller91 Dec 28 '20
They should edit the audio into either the end of The Last Jedi or the beginning of Rise of Skywalker
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u/jtaas Dec 27 '20
Wait Iām confused. His line is from fort nite?
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u/deliciousprisms Dec 27 '20
The message referenced in the crawl was actually sent out via an event on fortnite.
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u/musicaldigger Dec 27 '20
i tried playing fortnite twice but died almost immediately, was like fuck that
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u/MrGatsbyy Dec 27 '20
Wait what is this now?
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u/boneyjellyfish Dec 27 '20
The most recent movie directly follows an event that occurred in Fortnite, and the opening crawl references it. In case you were wondering how they found out Palpatine was back, you'd need to have played Fortnite. You can find a video of the event on YouTube now
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u/laurel_laureate Dec 27 '20
So I legit thought everyone in this thread was making this shit up as some sort of group prank, but then I googled it and watched the videos, and WHAT IN TARNATION!
You can't make this shit up.
What the ever loving fuck was everyone involved in that decision thinking?
What a disgrace.
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u/OrkfaellerX Dec 27 '20 edited Dec 27 '20
The title crawl in episode 9 mentiones a message being radioed across the galaxy announcing the return of Palpatine, but the its never played in the actual movie. Everyone just knows that hes back. The message is exclusive to an ingame event in Fortnite.
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u/bradorsomething Dec 27 '20
If Disney owned Superman, he'd trap General Zod on a Burger King commemorative glass.
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u/MusicEd921 Dec 28 '20
Forgive my ignorance on this, but in all seriousness, is there much of an overlap between Fornite players and Star Wars fans?
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u/OliveOliveJuice Dec 28 '20
Eh, one's a game targeting preteens, another is a 50 year old movie franchise.
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Was it not in the trailers first
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u/realgeneral_memeous No oneās ever really gone Dec 28 '20
No, Palpatineās returning message has appeared nowhere except Fortnite
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u/OliveOliveJuice Dec 28 '20
In the opening crawl of episode 9, its mentioned that Palpatine announced his return to the galaxy. That 'anouncement' was an in-game event for fortnite. It was not in the trailers whatsoever.
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u/Samozz03 Jan 18 '21
Was nothing to do with the force guys, the power of money brought palps back
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u/slkramer Dec 27 '20
Wait so George Lucas is on Star wars sets again and no one told me? Rude but still good news
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u/WamuuAyayayayaaa Dec 28 '20 edited Dec 28 '20
I think he always gets invited to the sets, that or he just has constant permission to just walk around wherever he wants if itās Star Wars related because heās Star Wars daddy
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Dec 28 '20
actually after wrapping production on Revenge of the Sith, Lucas got lost and never left the set. now he just wanders around, still unable to find the exit
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u/JKL97 Dec 28 '20
He sold it all to Disney in hopes they would pack up and move their new assets but alas, they liked the location too and so George remains
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u/musicaldigger Dec 27 '20
yeah iām trying to find out if this really happened, having trouble finding the video
edit: oh it might not be on video, itās from the gallery posted on christmas
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u/evanhinton Dec 27 '20
Writers: 'somehow stuff happened'
The rest of us: bro that 'somehow' is literally your job
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u/Albus-PWB-Dumbledore Dec 27 '20
"One thing led to another..."
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u/Lazaras Dec 27 '20
Well, first of all, through the dark side all things are possible so jot that down
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u/Jcit878 Dec 27 '20
they literally explained this in the lego star wars Christmas special (well I like to think they made a joke about it).
there's a scene with kylo ren and there's some portal nonsense and he winds up in a room with palpatine. Kylo says "wait what are you doing here?" and palp replies "er, um, life day magic or something?"
I like to think that's a nod to the movie
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u/evanhinton Dec 27 '20
Haha i hope so! That was a great special. Never realized Rey had a british accent until that special
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u/IBeBallinOutaControl Dec 27 '20
Too much mystery is J J Abraham's personal style unfortunately. Really didn't work for star wars.
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u/deer_hobbies Dec 27 '20
I read that out load as Ja Jabra Ham for some reason and I think I like it
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u/ezone2kil Dec 27 '20
Diplomatic way of saying he didn't give any shits about Star Wars he just liked the paycheck and resume entry. Same problem with the Transformers movies except the first one.
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u/IBeBallinOutaControl Dec 27 '20
I dont doubt that he loves star wars, but if you look at his original tv creations like Lost, it was also driven by a lot of mystery which made it popular. But as the series went on and you had things like a polar bear in the jungle and the series ending, a lot of people found the lack of payoff unsatisfying. He applied that "here's a thing, I'm not going to explain it" approach to star wars but it just didnt work. So I dont think it was just him being corrupted by money.
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u/TAB20201 Dec 27 '20
What was fin wanting to say to Rey ... why did they waste so much time with him wanting to say something to her and then NEVER SAYING IT. We donāt even hear it from him telling someone else we just never got to know. Did the writer just forget ...
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u/exedra0711 Dec 27 '20
Technically JJ confirmed after the fact that he wanted to tell her that he is force sensitive, but why did that need to be said after the fact? Just put it in the damn film, it's not like that's some kind of embarrassing secret.
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u/Jcit878 Dec 27 '20
not to mention, is that really what you want to say right before you both die in sinking sand?
JJs explanation makes no sense
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u/TAB20201 Dec 27 '20
Yeah I agree like it felt like it was meant to be in the film but it got cut or literally forgot about ... I was like why am I getting downvoted then I noticed the sub Iām in .... makes sense
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u/BZenMojo Dec 27 '20
Fridge logic: JJ saw the end of TLJ and was like, "Oh, Rey runs into Finn's arms after she and Kylo try to murder each other," guess this ship is sailing. Then the execs freaked out because they spent two movies rebranding their marketing to pretend Finn didn't even exist so JJ has to go back and recut and reshoot around it.
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u/ShambolicClown klaud's #1 fan Dec 27 '20
They should have explained it yeah, but the fuck was Poe supposed to say? He's just as confused as we are.
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u/evanhinton Dec 27 '20
Oh i have no issue with the actual dialogue, of course he would be confused but that is basically the explanaition we all get as well
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u/ShambolicClown klaud's #1 fan Dec 27 '20
I mean we also get the "the dark side of the force... unnatural" line which followed "I've died before".
I would have preferred a flashback or something but it's better than nothing I guess.
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What gets me is how they react when he says it, they're all like "aww man"
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u/greenroom628 Dec 27 '20
The GoT show runners liner notes
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u/evanhinton Dec 27 '20
'Somehow' might have actually been better writing than the story they gave us
somehow all the Dothraki died
That would have actually made me less mad than seeing how they all died
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u/Bad_RabbitS Dec 27 '20
āI hate it when writers use the line āOne thing led to another....ā Isnāt it your job as a writer to tell us what thing led to the other? I mean, just imagine: āAdolf Hitler was a young Austrian man who applied to art school . . . one thing led to another, and the United States dropped two atomic bombs on the sovereign nation of Japan!āā
ā Brian Regan
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u/Hungry_J0e Dec 28 '20
It's truly one of the worst lines in the films... Ranks up there with the one about sand being scratchy...
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u/dynasource Dec 27 '20
Somehow...Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet...
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u/HelpTurbulent232 Dec 28 '20
It's like me in Crusader Kings if I'm playing it while drinking. Ah shit, this army has been besieging my barony for 5 months... forgot I was at war :/
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u/HeronSun Dec 27 '20
I mean, George Lucas' dialogue has been bad since 1977. Harrison Ford wanted to tie him to a chair and make him deliver his own lines.
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u/DrBuddysBlox Dec 28 '20
Yep, even Alec Guinness said in an interview that even though he thought the movie would do way better than expected and was a fun little bit of escapism, the dialogue was appalling
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u/Yezthatguy Sequels were fun Dec 27 '20
Bad dialogue is part of Star Warsā DNA
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u/DarkLordSidious Dec 27 '20
KOTOR II is an exception.
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u/Dewy_Wanna_Go_There Dec 27 '20
Let me give some examples of HK-47ās examples.
HK47 : Statement: Oh, yes. My master had quite the collection of tortured individuals that seemed unable to confront their basic personality conflicts.
HK47 : Let me cite some specific examples.
HK47 : [mocking Carth] Mockery: "Oh, master, I do not trust you! I cannot trust you or anyone ever again!"
HK47 : [mocking Bastila] Mockery: "Oh, master, I love you but I hate all you stand for, but I think we should go press our slimy, mucus-covered lips together in the cargo hold!"
HK47 : Conclusion: Such pheromone-driven responses never cease to decrease the charge in my capacitors and make me wish I could put a blaster pistol to my behavior core and pull the trigger.
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u/DarkLordSidious Dec 27 '20
That's KOTOR II making fun of the first game. Not really a bad dialogue writing. In fact this dialogue was genius.
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u/dancingpope Dec 27 '20
Man how I love Kotor characters, especially Kreia. She is hands down the best written character in entire sw universe. I just recently replayed both games and the scene in jedi enclave on Dantooine made me, a grown ass woman in her late 20s cry like a baby. Kotor games are legit masterpiece
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u/DarkLordSidious Dec 27 '20
I 100% agree with the Kreia part and the enclave scene is one of the best scenes in any video game. Music, dialogue, the atmosphere, philosophical undertones... Everything about that scene was complete and utter perfection.
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u/nebolon Dec 27 '20
"I'm hunted by the kiss you never should have given me"
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u/Autokeith0r Dec 27 '20
I wish that I could just wish away my feelings. š„“
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*haunted
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u/wedstrom Dec 27 '20
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the deleted scene setting up the now cancelled Alien-vs-Predator crossover episode
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u/PurifiedVenom Dec 27 '20
The best part about this line is heās talking about a kiss that happened like 6 hours ago. How can it be haunting you already?
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u/dandaman64 anyways stan rian johnson Dec 28 '20
It do be like that when you're indoctrinated by these weird abstinence-loving monks that whack robots with laser swords.
Honestly the dynamic between Anakin and Padme in AOTC seems totally backwards, with Padme being the one to reject Anakin's advances because "I'm a senator", when that really has no bearing on her career/life, whereas with Anakin, he's literally taught not to form attachments.
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Dec 27 '20
George Lucas 100% rubbed his hands together in excitement when he wrote
ātwice the pride, double the fallā
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u/AngryFanboy Dec 28 '20
Still don't get what so wrong with that line. Why the fuck would Poe know how?
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u/_Quest_Buy_ Dec 27 '20
This sub has the same five jokes.
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Dec 28 '20 edited Dec 28 '20
I remember when I actually joined this sub in 2016. I submitted memes that weren't the same five jokes, or complained that the same five jokes weren't that funny, and I got tired of instantly getting negative 300 karma every time so I unsubbed. I don't need that kind of toxic shit in my life. Now they're on the front page every day.
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u/Discomidget911 Dec 27 '20
Can someone help me understand what they wanted to happen here. What was Poe supposed to say? I think people who rag this line didn't even watch the movie because in the next 3 seconds the movie tells you possible answers. Was Poe supposed to be like "Palpatine is back and though I have no concept of the force I'm going to tell you exactly how he did it"
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u/deadshot500 Dec 27 '20
Excuse me but at least it made some fucking sense. How would Poe know the exact detail in which a man that was presumed death for 30 years returned? Tell me cause you guys seem to know all the answers.
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u/Zagareath Dec 27 '20
And then I heard the rest of the prequels dialogue and never wanted to hear again
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u/LilyLute Dec 28 '20
Seriously, nearly every single dialogue line in the prequels are bad. There's for sure some good moments but you can tell they were banking on kids not understanding good dialogue and just enjoying lightsabers.
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u/Critical_Moose Dec 27 '20
I'm upset this was posted here unironically
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u/Boxy310 Dec 27 '20
Sounds like we need a /r/SeriesMemes subreddit
I have spoken
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u/dying_soon666 Dec 27 '20
The Star Wars universe will never be united. At least not under palpatine
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u/k1l2327 Dec 27 '20
I understand why people are frustrated with the Palpatine explanation (or lack thereof) but as a like of dialogue itās fine. Poe would have no clue how Palpatine returned so thatās exactly what heād say even if we, the audience received an explanation.
Btw Lucas isnāt innocent of not explaining stuff because similarly, the āexplanationā for Padmeās death was because she lost the will to live.
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u/Welcome--Matt Dec 28 '20
For sure, the problem I had wasnāt that Poe didnāt know, but that his explanation was the best thing we got and it wasnāt an explanation
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u/monkey_eyeing_banana Dec 27 '20
Haha but then I heard Anakin say "Nono you're so beautiful because I'm so in love" and "I'm haunted by the kiss you should not have given me" and "hold me like you did on naboo" and "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooOOOOOOOOOOOOO" and "if you're not with me you're my enemy" and "i don't like sand it's rough irritating and gets everywhere" and "I'd much rather dream about padme" and "i wish i could just wish away my feelings" and "you're everything smooth and soft" and literally any fucking line with jar jar and his "messa in big doodoo poodoo mooloo hoohoo dis time".
Yeah clearly dialogue is star wars' forte.
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u/AndrewJS2804 Dec 28 '20
George's script, Palpatine: I hate shafts, they're cold and deep and they go on forever!
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u/rainmaker2332 Dec 27 '20
Somehow Palpatine returned is on par with all the prequels dialogue
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u/ThatOneThingOnce Dec 27 '20
I'd go far as to even say it's better. You really can't do worse than "I have the high ground" and "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and gets everywhere". Like, the above line just needs an explanation later that justifies them not knowing (which kind of came, but not in the movies). There's no redeeming the prequel quotes IMO.
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u/TAB20201 Dec 27 '20
Can we discuss how fin had something to tell Rey and was like Rey Rey Rey I never told you ... Then like never did actually tell her. WHAT THE FUCK and it wasnāt just once he done this, this was sloppier than the prequels
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u/jetforcegemini Dec 27 '20
Would you rather have crappy exposition or campy dialogue?
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Dec 27 '20 edited Dec 27 '20
Campy dialogue. One is an issue that plagues the entire story and ruins the plot structure while the other can just be laughed at and brushed aside. I donāt like the first two prequels or TROS but the dialogue isnāt what ruins them for me.
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u/dracoranger2002 Dec 27 '20
I agree with the dialogue not being the issue for TRoS. Thatās a good description
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Dec 27 '20
I want more characters like Ric Olie to just say things that are happening on screen.
Ship is shown approaching Tatooine Ric: "We're approaching Tatooine!"
Enemy fighters fly into shot Ric: "Enemy fighters inbound!"
The hyperdrive doesn't work Ric: "The hyperdrive isn't working!"
Truly a hero of the Gakaxy.
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And the throne room scene is on par with the fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan. /s
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u/lasssilver Dec 27 '20
Bad?.. someone said the PT dialogue was bad? Way off.. itās atrocious, horrible, flat, boring, heartless, cringey, annoying, unintentionally funny, stilted, and bad. Oh, yeah.. I guess it is.
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u/routinemage Dec 27 '20
I mean, really stupid plot elements doesn't change the fact that Lucas still sucks at writing dialogue.
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And movies! His first wife edited Star Wars to make sense. Without her, none of this would be possible.
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u/Ketamine_Killer24 Dec 27 '20
Still better than a lot of the shit in the prequels even if they are better movies
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u/Heller_Demon Dec 28 '20
Better movies? You have to tie me to a chair to make me watch Episodes 1 and 2, no other Star Wars movie gets me like that.
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u/themeandmyself Dec 27 '20
Why is the sequel memes sub filled with sequel haters??? Like isnt there another sub for that
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u/Cultural_Fun Dec 27 '20
Everyone hates ep9 lol
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Dec 27 '20
What? Don't speak for me. It opened up possibilities for new characters in porn parodies.
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u/-epey Dec 27 '20
What do you expect from Terrio who wrote the āMarthaā script?
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u/TheLimeyLemmon Dec 27 '20
I actually hate Batman vs Superman. It's the only film that's actually brought that response out of me. I watched it and just couldn't believe how much of a wet fart that script was. How do you fuck up Batman v Superman?
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u/__wookie Dec 27 '20
They fly now?
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u/Cultural_Fun Dec 27 '20
Thats not a bad line by any means
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u/ShambolicClown klaud's #1 fan Dec 27 '20
I don't get the outrage over it. Like, you're kidding yourself if you're telling me the prequels' (and even some of the OT's) dialogue was worse.
To paraphrase HelloGreedo, this just showcases the fandom's inability to unbuckle and have some fuckin' fun, you know, fun? This movie has so much problems and yet people shit on the most unnecessary fucking things.
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Dec 27 '20
There are 3 scenes I love to compare to each other that perfectly dictate how poorly the sequels were written. All scenes devising a plan to set up the ending.
The scene in Mando Season 2 finale where they devise the plan to take Moff Gideon's cruiser.
The scene in Rogue One where Jyn gives her speech to the rebellion about taking Scarif.
The scene in TFA where they plan to take Starkiller Base.
"Somehow, Palpatine has returned," is written as hastily and lazily as that entire scene in TFA where they basically devise a half-baked plot to destroy a planet killing base in 2 minutes.
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u/rogue6800 Dec 27 '20
There is no breathing room, everything happens one event after another. I thought it was bad in TFA and to an extent, TLJ, but TROS felt like I was being pummeled for 2 hours with one liners and emotionless action sequences.
The plot is used as excuse for action sequences. Where the plot should be used to accentuate the plot. A good plot can be described with no action. Without action, the sequels are nothing.
To me even the action is terrible. The CGI is tasteless, the choreography is mediocre and the atmosphere is cheap and plasticky.
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u/monkey_eyeing_banana Dec 28 '20
You're missing out the moment in TROS with Poe's speech to take down the Final Order.
I don't like TROS but that scene, that scene right there... now that was some good shit.
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u/Gebis8 Dec 27 '20
What the hell was he supposed to say then?
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u/Jevonar Dec 27 '20
A 5 minute introduction explaining HOW Palpatine returned, instead of writing "the dead speak!" in the opening titles. I liked episode 9 but the beginning really skipped a lot of stuff.
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u/YouveBeenKitFistoed Dec 27 '20
The intro should have shown us Sith cultists bringing Palpatine back and the same intro should make it clear the cultists have been arranging not only his return but also prepared the Final Order.
Better than what we got but still utter shit
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u/ShitpostinRuS Dec 27 '20
Itās SO weird. All of the sequels were exposition heavy and overly explained whatever was going on. Not this time!
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u/malonkey1 revan canon when Dec 27 '20
Also if you're going to have your villain return from the dead and announce his return, have him do it in the movie and not in a Fortnite event.
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u/deadlygaming11 Dec 27 '20
"Oh hi kylo, can you come back in a minute I'm getting dressed from leaving my cloning tube that I transferred my consciousness into whilst falling down the tube completely ignoring all science. Also no going outside to the shed where I'm keeping my starforge which has created thousand of big ISD 1s which aren't that well designed and can't take off without the bigger ones assistance"
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Talk about how he knows that Palpatine returned somehow. Tell everyone about the transmission that announced his return, or something. Talk about how the First Order may be reacting to this development, or how it affects them.
Think of it from the audience's perspective. We know Palpatine returned. We saw him. Everyone in the theater is wondering how. They invented a new character who is a professor and academic to fill in the Sith lore that might have been used to resurrect Palpatine... make it a conversation between Poe explaining the immediate situation of how the galaxy is responding to this person, and Beaumont responding with how these various pieces may be due to such and such activity that brought him back in the first place. For example "lots of naval activity outside of this spooky planet," and "oh that's a planet known for the ancient alchemists who used to live there, where did the ships come from," and "the ships came from this place," and "oh the people from that planet plundering the libraries of this ancient place might mean they were up to such and such."
Builds character, sets the stage, gives at least an inkling of what might have happened.
These writers were paid millions of dollars to come up with this. "What the hell was he supposed to say?" is where that money should have gone.
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u/DrLexAlhazred Dec 27 '20
It doesnāt matter what he wouldāve said. People wouldāve bitched and moaned regardless.
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u/YouveBeenKitFistoed Dec 27 '20
The movie was supposed to be good which would have made this crap line unnecessary.
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To be fair, I donāt think that anything can be as bad as the prequelās dialogue. Just look at Padme and Anakinās flirting.
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u/SpooneyToe11240 Let the Prequels die. Kill them if you have to. Dec 27 '20
One bad line in one movie vs a whole prequel trilogy of bad dialogue
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u/EquivalentInflation Dec 27 '20
I mean... itās not bad dialogue, it just skips exposition. Compared to āI donāt like sandā it was art.
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Dec 28 '20
Not to play Devil's advocate, but they JUST found out Palpatine returned, what else could've they said? A three minute exposition of how he did it (Wich i'm sure if that the case people would've still complain or make fun about it)?
I get why that line give itself to many memes but like... it's not really as "bad" as fans make it seems. And doesn't change the prequels are the ones with the worse screenwriting
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u/Doomguy46_ Dec 27 '20
Yes because a relatively natural line is comparable to
āI donāt like sandā
Palpating returned was wack but nowhere NEAR as bad as prequel dialogue.
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u/megjake Dec 27 '20
Iām not usually one for conspiracy theories but I could absolutely believe the one that Abrams was basically over ruled by Disney execs on several major plot point in Rise of Skywalker.
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u/Stirlo4 Dec 27 '20
I'm just curious what a better line would've been. The line is definitely campy, but I genuinely can't think of anything better for Poe to have said...
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u/UGABear Dec 28 '20
Sequel trilogy is cash-grab fan service garbage.
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u/Hurtlegurtle Dec 28 '20
And they failed at that too. One look at how they treated luke and anakin shows as much
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u/pergalicious Dec 27 '20
I understand bringing Palpatine back to try and milk some cash off us older crowd but man... it was done so poorly and it ruined the entire star wars story. I was so hyped to hear his laugh in the preview and then just soooo disappointed during and after the movie.