Like how can a mother that abandoned her son because she was depressed and unhappy in her relationship get MUCH more hate then a man who killed people to get power AND abandoned his son aswell, i think its absurd how people can like rumpel and then hate on Milah when she actually tried to better herself unlike rumple she regretted it deeply leaving Baelfire and all she ever wanted to do was make it right with her son and i can’t believe that people villainize this woman for making ONE mistake, she had the worst fate in ouat possible, being thrown inside the river of lost souls while Cora could go to heaven? absolutely disgusting she deserved sm better

i’ve heard people say this and queerbaiting is a big accusation, i don’t usually pick up on stuff like that so it’s very possible that i just never noticed.

i personally ship captain swan but that’s mostly because i watched the show when i was 11 and loved them since then and the concept of lesbianism didn’t occur to me then

Can we possibly ban the political posts about the actors’ beliefs?

Like yeah, it sucks that the actor may support certain causes or hold certain beliefs but this isn’t the forum about it. Every fandom has some actor that will hold different personal beliefs whether it is about religion, abortion, war, marriage, money, president, etc.

There feels like there was an uptick with posts about actors’ personal beliefs which is kinda annoying. I’m pretty sure one is just a sock puppet account but not too sure.

Like I don’t need to see people ranting about it in 3-5 different posts about other topics and then go on to make their own post. Some posts have even been concerning like a user saying they didn’t see the actors as human anymore because of their beliefs.

for many reasons but most of all his dumb outfit. the guy is trecking snow and hes got his leather coat open and his tits out. hes in the middle of nyc with his silly leather get up. and also because of all that leather he looks like he probably smells like BO

So far all I’ve seen is Lancelot (dead), Tamara (dead and evil), Sidney (evil) and Mulan. I’ve been thinking about why and I get wanting to stay true to the original stories. But then why do they all have random accents that don’t line up with those original stories? They could’ve found some way to incorporate BIPOC without mostly making us evil and killing us off. We have lots of folklore, they could’ve pulled from.

2nd time

Everytime she appears on my screen I get a headache…

I saw Bex’s insta story showing a post where most of the cast was therapy including Lana and Bex and Jen wasn’t there. Then Jen had posted about an OUAT fan convention in Paris where most of the cast is there again and Lana isn’t. I don’t know why but it stirred a very unhappy emotion inside of me. It’s rare to see that a reel enmity transcended into real life enmity. I mean Lana’s character had maximum nemeses ie Ginny’s Bex’s her own Bobby’s Barbara’s and Jen’s. Plus Lana and Jen were the leading ladies of the show. Lana is friends will most of her own screen nemeses except Jen. She and Bobby seem to be distant but there seems to be no bad blood. The distance is most likely due to the fact that they both felt weird about Golden Queen and Lana wasn’t exactly as open about showing her distaste about it as Bobby was. I have even read on TV tropes that Jen said that Emma became a dark one to save the town and not Regina but I am sure it’s just a bluff as both Lana and Jen have been gracious towards each other’s characters and have huge respect for non toxic part of Swan Queen community. Can’t say the same about Ian Somerhalder’s opinions on Delena and Elena Gilbert. The guy literally became a Stelena shipper just because trolls wanted him to go back to his ex. It’s really sad that actors of the two protagonists of a show are doing all in their power to not see each other’s faces when they did end up as best friends in the end. I have heard people ship Jen with both Colin and Lana which I feel is stupid and awful because Lana married just before S4 till 2019 while Colin is also married. Jen is still close with Colin in spite of all the trolls but she seems to avoid Lana with desperation and Lana is doing the same. It’s 2025 and the ice wall still stands

am i the only one bothered by the fact that the only middle eastern characters that are apart of the OUAT universe are portrayed as heartless & vicious and don’t get me started on them making jafars mentor a pedo (raising him from childhood then becoming his lover) it’s such a gross storyline all the other middle eastern characters like jasmine who was played by an indian woman & still got barely any screen time and aladdin, cyrus who were played by white men & the genie sydney who was played by a black man but that storyline i could live with since they made him the mirror to it was kinda cool. still the handling of jafars character and then making the red queen a character who you could empathise with who in literature is more cruel then jafar. i’m a big fan of alice in wonderland and i was excited for them combining it with a aladdin based storyline but they just completely butchered the middle eastern representation they could of gave us id prefer no representation over these messed up stereotypes.

I'm sick of watching Hook & Emma love track.

I stopped watching the series midway in season 5

Am I the only one who feels sick or disgusted with their love track?

Hook dated Rumple wife or Neal's mom & now Neal's partner or ex.
Man, these writers are sick.

She hardly shed a tear when Neal died. I mean I get it that she hated him for abandoning him.

She should have stuck with that same feeling. But at times, she said that she still loves him etc.

Emma doesn't look like a hero to me at all. At first, when she knew that she needs light magic to destroy Zelena & her magic or curse. She risked everyone's wellbeing or lives & kissed Hook & lost the magic. What kind of a hero does that? That's the instant, I started disliking Emma character.

When Neal died or gave up his soul by separating from his father Rumple body, she hardly cried or tried anything to bring him back. But she turned hook into a dark one to save him & after that she even went to hell or underworld to save him. She is totally selfish & put everyone else at risk. She is not a hero. I stopped watching the series for the first time here.

I'm not sure if it's because of writers (Series creator or story writers) intention or poor skill. To me it seemed like, Rumple & Regina had more heroic characteristics than Emma. In a way, I'm more sympathetic or liked the characters of Rumple & Regina than Emma. I repeat, I don't know for sure, if it's the writers intention. But, they made me kind of feel sick with their writings. They have a hero or saviour with no heroic characteristics.

After initially stopped watching the series when Emma went to bring back Hook but completely ignored Neal, I stopped watching the series for a while. I contemplated for few days, whether should I give it another try as I have already spent so much time watching the series & came upto season 5. Finally I decided to restart or continue watching. Now, Hook repeatedly said Emma to let go of him from the time he got cut by Excalibur. I liked that part. But suddenly after his brother moved on, he said that he want to be saved & want to return to living. This made so disgusted with this series. That's it, I'm disgusted with this series & their writings. To me it seems like the writers are desperate to keep the Hook character relevant or alive for some reason. I decided to stop watching this series for good this time, unless the other viewers think or say it gets better after it, I will stop here.

Please share your views & comments about is it worth continuing to watch the series?

All is in the title, I've been trying to finish this god forsaken season for MONTHS. Henry's adult actor is awful, he has a douchebag face (sorry to the actor, I'm sure it's just the make up or lighting). He is so basic he probably wears Sauvage by Dior. He does not deserve milf Cinderella.

The plot is half season 1 remake, half slop, and this sh*t was written without AI !

Why the HELL is Regina in love with FACILIER ??? (I mean, he is hot of course, lord Anderson from Bridgerton is fiiiine). F*ck buddies? Logical yeah but rn she act dickpnotized and I am MAD because she is my fav! Did she lost her brain in the curse? Were is her cunning mind? Being "good" doesn't mean being stupid wtf.

We have Rumple doing whatever.

Nook is a cop somehow. I mean, Hook was ugh, Nook is a bit more interesting. I like him better, he should have been a private investigator instead of a pig.

The Raiponce baby trap was well done tho. I wasn’t expecting that, kuddos to the smart writer who thought of it

I like the Robin and Alice romance. It was time for more queer rep. (Let's be honest, the Ruby sudden love story that got expelled in one episode was insulting). Anyway, they cute.

And sorry but 80% of the actors are baaaad, and it's very probably because of direction on set but it's so hard to overlook.

Anyway, please help me. Please tell me you have incide actors gossips or stuffs that can make it bearable.

HELP I CAN'T MANAGE TO PUT THE SPOILERS HIDING EDIT: After finishing the season I can say that (in my opinion), excepted the two or three episodes along the way, the good stuff start >!after they break the curse. I have no idea why they didn’t wrap up the Regina/Facilier thing<! Sorry adult Henry is still unbearable to me but I chose not to look at him. Milf Cinderella-Jacinda is always a wonderful choice of course. Robin and Alice are the best thing tbh I loved Nook storyline but I'm still pissed he was a cop. He deserve better. Should've been a private instigator ! >!I was pleasantly surprised with Rumple saving everybody. The one who started all the problems FINALLY did something to resolve everything. And Regina becoming queen of all the realms was cool<!

Ok first off let's just get this put of the way. Everyone amd I mean everyone in the Enchanted Forest is way way way beyond the normal scope of legality and age restrictions like we would be in the real world. There is NO exception to this.

Ok now that we got that established what is with everyone's gripe about Neal vs Hook dating Emma and her age?

Emma (and correct me if I'm wrong I've only just become a fan and have seen the show once) is just about 18 when she meets dates and has sex with Neal resulting in Henry. She had to be 18 minimum to give birth as Henry is 10 when he knocks on her door on her 28th birthday. So even if they were dating she was pregnant and giving birth at 18. Not 17. Not 16. 18. Legal age.

Now Neal's age is not said. Not his true age (which would be in the hundreds or a fake age bit let's assume that he too is about the 18-20 age as far as legal terms go.

Neal did not commit assault on a minor! He and Enma were both adults and it was completely legal for them to date and have sex. Neal spent time in Neverland where he stopped aging. He is about the same age psychically as Emma!

Now Neal has his own shit with leaving Emma to go to prison amd have Henry bit let's move on.

Hook. Hook is canonically just about 300. (He says 200 sometimes sometimes 300. Other times it's implied he's even older then that) Now Emma is 29 when she meets (if every season is 1 year and she was 28 in s1 she's 29 in s2 when Hook debuts)

Hook again is going to lie about his age if anyone outside of Storybooke asked so let's say he puts himself about 30. That gives him 12 years of being an adult and in the Navy and being a pirate before he goes to Neverland and stops aging.

Hook as a man frozen in time and Emma who grew up in the real world are about the same psychically. There is no crime here. Theybare both consenting adults.

Personally I'm a Hook fan cause I just find him a little more exciting then Neal but I can acknowledge that Neal gave Emma something she sorely needed at the age 18. She needed someone she could count on when she was a fresh faced adult in the world and no family support system. Neal gave her that and more. (Henry!)

But to say that he raped her is completely wrong. Because then you need to apply that same logic to EVERY SINGLE RELATIONSHIP Emma ever has in the show. Graham and August are both from the Enchanted Forest. Walsh the flying monkey is from Oz. She had flings with all of them and I'm sure in the case of Walsh she had sex. Everyone in the Enchanted Forest is at minimum 28 years her senior. That is the truth. It's only Regina's curse that stopped them from aging physically.

Sorry I just had to get that off my chest cause honestly you can't apply our rules to Storybooke and it's citizens. They're completely different from the rest of the world even if they look amd dress like us

Regina's Father, Henry, deserved his death. He did nothing to save his daughter, just fed her to her mother... and stepped back. I cannot say I feel bad, rewatching the series. I would have killed him too... he deserved it. He is a worthless little worm.

I do feel bad for what Cora did to him, but not after he allowed his daughter be so deeply, darkly abused.

I cannot stand him.

Hook needs to get. Over. It. Like yes, the love of his life died in a brutal way. And yes, he realized he is able to love again after meeting and getting to know Emma. But I am so annoyed with his tamper tantrums in S4. I’m only in the first few episodes and the dark looks and subtle ‘you know you love me’ attitude is so tiring. I understand that he likes Emma a lot, loves her even but he needs to slow. Down. I know he will, eventually but he annoys me in the beginning of S4 every time I rewatch it.

Anyone else feel me on that?

Obviously not at first. But I know, later on they made some major sacrifices for each other and had a complicated dynamic. I’m only on season one but I’ve seen lots of clips, I do think it seems like they eventually developed romantic feelings for each other, it just doesn’t feel strictly platonic to me.

Update: I didn’t know this sub hated SwanQueen, please don’t come for me I wasn’t trying to make everyone mad🤣

S01-S04 were up on Netflix and I binged the shit out of them, watching multiple episodes because of the cliff hangers. But I find myself watching multiple episodes of S05 basically because I need to watch them and delete them off my computer (Received 2 emails about P2P sharing).

The whole Emma as the Dark One threw me off. I like that the writers wanted to explore her character as the Dark One but I wasn't buying it. Then with the whole Hook trick, now with Gold admitting the day after Hook's death that it was all for nothing. Ugh. It goes on and on and frankly, I am bored by this season's track so far.

I must say though, I have thoroughly enjoyed Hook's visual transformation as the Dark One though. Meow.

Just thought I would post here to see if anybody else feels the same way. Here's hoping that the 2nd half gets better!

This show isn't about Emma at all. It's all about Regina. She's got the most character development. She changes the most throughout the series. Emma's just a side character in Regina's story.

it literally doesn't matter what it is because the fact is emma was a minor when henry was born. she was underage. neal had sex with a minor. while he's over 100, fyi

hope that clears things up!

anyone who argues is a huge weirdo ngl

Guys, Blue Fairy hate is very very forced. I think the only reason to do not like her is because of Nova and the dwarf which I don't know how is called in english (in portuguese is "angry one"), but that's it, just a Season 1 plot that was not even definitive. And we can say she was wrong but it was more about some natural rule and duty than being really evil like other villains. Other things she deserve some sideye but nothing more than that and we can assume it's shitty writing rather than something that makes sense.