A lot of posts/comments have been made lately regarding Modern and how it's supposed to be an eternal non-rotating format. Here is a learning moment.

Eternal/non-rotating does not mean the 8th edition cards you bought in 2003 will always be good or relevant, it just means they will always be legal, barring some type of ban.

I get you're upset your Boomer Jund or Elves deck is no longer good/relevant. But those options are still Modern legal. They didn't rotate out. You can still play the cards you "invested" in.

Class dismissed.

When Lord of the rings came out, that was literally the day I stopped playing Modern and decided to switch completely to proxies in the only other format I kinda play, EDH - for obvious reasons like price, pushed off-brand cards etc.

With MH3 I decided to give Modern a try again on MTGO by borrowing cards, because I really like Eldrazi and Tron.

...only to find out, that there is Marvel shit-storm brewing on the horizon, which is said to be a "tentpole" set, which sounds like Modern legal.

And there is nothing I despise more in current pop culture than the never-ending stream of crap which are Marvel movies, Marvel videogames which just knock-off other games, blatantly. I consider superheroes the most overused garbage brainrot of the current age. You really chave no idea how much I dislike it, and what it has done to the cinema and other media.

So the idea of Marvel crap being in Modern makes my stomach ache and my blood pressure rise.

Has it really come to this? Has MtG fallen SO low?

I think the “can’t play cards at instant speed” is just so toxic, anti fun for 3 mana, and 95% of the player base will rejoice the day this card goes to the banlist, even for people who play this card.

It makes control vs control a luck based MU about resolving T3feri, to the point where pure draw go UW control isn’t a thing anymore.

It makes certain combo decks just sad like cascade rhino.

Even vs midranged, it buys a ton of tempo (bounce at 0 card advantages loss, and absorbs an attack next turn if they still have a creature in play), and shutting down instant speed removals like bolt is anti fun.

While they can make an argument that the card is not overpowered (I think it is overpowered, just modern probably have things just as powerful), being so anti fun should be a reason for a ban.

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Nothing needed a ban.

An unban is always cool, would've loved something else too though.

The best MTG format keeps on going strong.

I'm incredibly glad WotC doesn't listen to the chicken little redditors whining about the ring and grief/fury, y'all would kill this format if you had the option.

Every day some boomer get on and asks reddit if the format needs to change. "I liked modern during **** but now **** has ruined it."

The format is fine, if you don't like it play a different format or game.

Per Fireshoes' Tweet, this was the metagame share of the meta of decks pre modern horizons 3 at the Pro Tour

Rakdos Grief 2

Omnath 0

Rhinos 0

Mono-Green Tron 0

Yawgmoth 4

Dimir Control 0

Living End 3

Burn 3

Izzet Murktide 5

Jund Creativity 1

Jeskai Breach 0

The format has now done exactly what many people feared would happen and completely and utterly "rotated" with MH3.

Is this even modern anymore? Are you alright with spending 600+ dollars anytime Wizards decides to direct print to Modern?

I'm just going to say it, NeoBrand is the most broken deck in #MTGModern. I went in thinking, "maybe I'll get to attack with a giant angry storm dinosaur or even a first turn win! Yeah, that'll be cool." I then had THREE first turn wins.

» Watch Video — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZawJZqw3HU
» Decklist — https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4756970#online

The goal of NeoBrand is to cast an [[Allosaurus Rider]] using its alternate casting cost and then sacrifice it to either [[Neoform]] or [[Eldritch Evolution]] to search your library for [[Griselbrand]]. At this point, we activate our Griselbrand to draw seven cards a few times until we draw into [[Nourishing Shoal]]. We can now search our library for the singleton [[Autochthon Wurm]] to gain the most life possible.

We continue to draw cards and gain life until we can play a [[Mox Amber]] to then cast [[Springleaf Drum]], this converts the black mana from the Mox Amber into green mana. Now we can cast additional copies of Allosaurus Rider before playing [[Heritage Druid]]. Tap the Heritage Druid and the Allosaurus Riders for three green mana.

Now we play [[Thrasta, Tempest's Roar]] and [[Fortifying Draught]] to attack with a lethal HUGE STORM DINOSAUR for victory!

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2020 WOTC: hey, we want to slow down modern. We're banning mox opal to kurb degeneracy.

2021 WOTC: modern's still unbalanced because some shit's just too fast. We're banning SSG to kurb degeneracy.

WOTC literally 3 months later: yeah, we're printing some busted free spells in the new set that we're charging 2.5x the price of a standard set for. Dw about it

2023 WOTC: modern is HEALTHY dammit! Buy play boosters BTW

Why bother banning opal and spirit guide when you're only going to be printing stuff far worse for the long term health of the format? Particularly when those would have been the cards that enabled decks to defend themselves against it?

After reading the response to engineered plague on a stick on both /r/MTGLegacy and here, I'm seeing a ton of negativity surrounding the discussion of the set on this sub in particular. I think every single spoiler post here has had someone saying the card is mediocre, or that the card is not modern playable, or that this set is commander horizons.

Putting aside that they've already spoiled some incredibly strong cards for modern, and that we've only seen a third of the set, not every card they print here needs to snap modern in half. It's okay for some cards to be unplayable call backs to other beloved cards, that's part of why drafting Time Spiral was so cool. It's okay for some cards to be exciting for edh and not modern, there's 254 cards in the set which is plenty of room to print cards for many kinds of players. It's okay for some of the cards in this set to be unplayable draft chaff, people are going to play this set in limited.

I'm very excited to see what else the set has to offer. If it ends up being terrible, I'll tell Wizards that by not buying their product. That said, this is one of the most exciting magic products in the past decade and I think I'd rather encourage the printing of this kind of thing personally.

I’ve been seeing tons of posts about how the evoke elementals ruined modern, and I just keep thinking ‘did people play the format two years ago???’

With the exception of grief, which is the only really proactive one, the pitch elementals make for a much better format. Look at what pioneer is like right now to get a glimpse of what modern would be. Most of the pioneer complaints are that it’s just ships passing in the night, with each player ignoring the other to try and execute their game plan first. That would be modern if the pitch elementals were banned.

I mean, It was just a few years ago that PVDDR was advocating for increasing the modern sideboard, because it was too hard to interact in the format. No one would advocate for that now because we actually have good interaction in the form of free spells. The pitch elementals (and the mh1 pitch spells, to a lesser degree), make it so the format can function.

Of course, grief is a real offender because it’s proactive. Imo they should ban it. But we just had a post make it to the top of the subreddit talking about how good merfolk is now. Even Yawgmoth is a tier 1 deck, even though almost all the other best decks play fury. Imagine how nutty yawgmoth would be against a field that doesn’t have solitude or fury. Imagine trying to play a fair deck against tron without having force of vigor, force of negation or subtlety.

Lots of people think we should get rid of the mh2 elementals, but I think they’re holding the format together (again, minus grief which imo should be banned).

I want to preface this post with. I love magic and I love the modern format, but I feel disenfranchised by the current design philosophy and the power creep modern has faced in the recent years.

I understand that my favorite decks, Selesyna based, creature decks are archaic relics of a different time but it sure is frustrating to see decks like Murktide get new card, after new card, while creature decks get pushed further and further out of competitive contention.

I feel like Wotc has slapped players such as myself across the face and told us to go eff ourselves. If you want to play a white based deck in Modern, you are pretty much stuck with hammer time, and I am not interested in that playstyle.

I know that this is a pointless post that doesn't really conjure any meaningful discussion but my leagues today were a nightmare and I may have to finally face the reality that Modern will probably never cater to me again and that brings me an immense amount of disappointment. Magic has been a core hobby I've enjoyed for a long time and I'm simply frustrated.

Thank you for giving me the space to rant. Gg's.

I said what I said.

I believe there are a lot of good reasons to ban fury.

1. Rakdos Scam is the most played deck, consistently week after week. It's putting up numbers that would normally be considered ban-worthy, so something should likely go and I argue that card is Fury.

2. Fury completely destroys many creature-based strategies, more than any other single card. Let's bring back humans, elves, merfolk, goblins, death and taxes. Wren and Six/Bowmasters still shut down x/1s but Fury + reanimation/blink effect deals up to 8 damage resulting in a much bigger blowout than either of the two other cards.

3. If Rakdos Scam loses Fury, the next best scam-type deck would be black-white colors using Solitude which is far less broken when scammed out turn 1. Grief is still the same if played turn 1, but the entire deck is different and arguably much weaker when you remove red as a color. There's also the possibility for black-green and black-blue scam style decks. None of these other decks would be as good as Rakdos scam.

4. None of the cards in the deck would go to waste because its primarily made up of good cards anyways that would be played elsewhere: Ragavan, Fable, Sheoldred, Voidwalker, Terminate, Kroxa, Thoughtseize. Straight black-red midrange could re-emerge. Even the "undying" spells can be played in the aforementioned other scam-style strategies because Grief is still around.

5. No other deck besides Scam relies on fury, so its banning would not weaken any other archetype considerably.

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Spelunking says that lands you control enter the battlefield untapped.

Except it doesn't actually do that. Amulet of Vigor still triggers. So lands actually enter the battlefield tapped and untapped simultaneously, like some sort of Schrödinger's Landfall Trigger.

I get the rules, what I don't get is why they would do this in the first place. Magic is an old game with some cards created in different rules eras, which has led to some zany and confusing interactions. This is a card being printed intentionally to be a piece of an already existing tier 1 deck. Why on Earth would they intentionally do that in such a bizarre, confusing way?

A card that literally does not do what its text box says is the kind of confusing nonsense I'd expect from Hearthstone, not Magic.

Let me start out by saying I understand why Lurrus was banned, and it definitely was a broken card.

With that being said, I miss the insane diversity it brought to the format - there were a ton of decks that essentially vanished overnight with the banning of Lurrus, and since then the meta has become extremely stale.

When Lurrus was first banned, I think the sentiment was that money pile decks would slowly disappear because "they ate Lurrus decks" (which I never found to be true), but months later and now money pile is clearly one of the best decks in the format still, and the interesting and fun Lurrus decks have more or less disappeared.

This is where my problem is, though - I don't think wizards can unban Lurrus so quickly after putting it on the banlist, but I also fear that the meta has become a bit unhealthy since its banning, which can and might necessitate additional bans by WOTC.

I don't know why I'm posting this, just kind of think the Lurrus ban was short sighted and made modern go from being extremely fun and diverse to just kind of meh - don't get me wrong, I still have fun, but this modern format feels a lot less fun than modern right after kamigawa came out.

Edit: "ate" not are. Sorry, autocorrect on my phone

Sure you can say its boring to pilot but i don't think it's so oppressive it needs a ban. i think rhinos is a solid tier 1 deck just like other tier one decks that's easy to hate because "oh its good so it needs to be knocked down a peg." i think there's an argument to be made for the meta being stale but if you ban from rhinos titan/yawg/domain takes its place then we just go down a slippery slope till mono u tron is best deck because nothing is left. Bans are for things that are broken or overly oppressive. Rhinos is Solid but neither broken or overly oppressive.

It's time.... looking at the challenge results the last week aside from energy it's just a bunch of decks that either reanimate stuff or discard a bunch of stuff.

Release Deathrite and bring balance back to modern.

MAKE JUND GREAT AGAIN

I'm sure others have mentioned it but it makes me kinda sad how modern has changed so much that all the local games stores within 50 miles of me can't do modern. Most took it off the schedule completely. It's dying and even if it got better tomorrow, it would take a long time to recover.

Long time scg iq grinder here and litterally all the people I have met over the years don't play modern anymore. Most don't play pioneer either. My old decks aren't playable which shifted me to amulet titan and unless a regional qualifer is happening, I literally don't get to play it in paper.

Does other have the same issues? I'm thinking of selling my modern decks

Edit: it's really nice to see how many people still play and have a thriving community. I feel obligated to either play on mtgo or developing a group of players to be in a play group together. I invested into 4 copies of the one ring and I have played it once in paper. Thinking about giving up since I played elves for so long that I foiled it out and had to give it up and again with being able to play. Now with modern horizons 3 coming out, it's kinda kicking a dead horse until it stops spitting out money.

Modern is dead in my area but pioneer is doing fine so if I want to play the game I enjoy, I must play pioneer or move.

Happy for everyone still being able to play their format. Just know, it's not like that everywhere so appreciate what you have. <3

Both were very format warping cards in their days but were never legal together. So let's imagine for a moment that WotC decides to unban both of these cards tomorrow. Assuming no other changes, which of the two 3 mana powerhouses ends up becoming more dominant in the meta? Will decks with Lurrus as companion dominate over decks with Oko or vice versa?

The One Ring is more broken as it's colorless, but it lets you spam the free elementals, then is a huge card advantage engine to gain the cards back.

We are seeing the same thing with Riddler. Decks gaming 4 solitude, subtly, and force of negation to out tempo opponents the refuel with Riddler.

It's hard to out grind these decks like with Ring, and we are seeing that lately as Storm and other decks try and do more unfair stuff.

Everyone says modern is great, and maybe I just like a more powered down format but I just hate these blink decks. Elementals were a mistake and there is no going back now.

Modern was forever changed with the Horizon sets. Since then, players fear seeing their decks invalidated with a new expansion dedicated to the format.

In this article, we present five archetypes that can survive a new "Modern Horizons effect".

But how exactly do we define which decks are more or less likely to suffer from the impacts that another future Horizons set has on Modern? After all, the format seemed completely solid until [[Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer]], [[Solitude]], [[Murktide Regent]] and [[Shardless Agent]] changed the competitive landscape.

While, yes, every deck is liable to undergo major changes with new releases, some decks are more resilient to change than others. Usually, this involves the relationship between the strategy it proposes and the cards it runs: the more focused a deck is on its plan, the lower the odds of needing too many new pieces.

Hey fellas.

Over the past few months, well, 2019 as a whole, we as a community have gotten ravenous over the idea of bans. We're constantly talking about whether we'll see various cards banned. It's gotten to the point where that is the only thing that the sub talks about anymore. This used to be a place that could talk about the game and how to prep for events, or talk about new releases of cards, or talk about fun new brews that we're experimenting with. Now, this is our front page.

https://imgur.com/a/UOqMUFM

Can we try to put this stuff behind us and try to actually converse in a manner that isn't going to devolve into discussing bans? I think people tend to forget how destructive a ban is for a modern player. Players invested into Mardu Pyro lost an entire archetype with the looting ban. Twin players flocked to Legacy back in the day. Granted, I understand the feeling of wanting cards banned. But the discussion of it here on r/ModernMagic is just not constructive at all. I've certainly stuck my toe in it, but I want to see this subreddit return to what it was, a place where we can talk about Magic, not where we talk about banning cards.

I hope y'all had a nice new year. Here's to good topdecks in 2020.

Consistently, 4c decks have a lower win rate than several other decks, and are not deserving of a ban.

I think people are used to a deck having sideboard bullets that solve their matchup, and this deck doesn’t have that, which is why people dislike it.

However, there are absolutely strategies you can use to fight it. Decks like Burn can go fast before the deck has a chance to recover, and combo decks like Creativity and Calibrated Blast (seriously!) can go around the deck’s interaction. While single sideboard bullets against the deck can be difficult to find, the deck still has possible answers like Subtlety and Mystical Dispute and sometimes Hallowed Moonlight and Torpor Orb that can completely disrupt its plans. Overall, I believe the different angle of attack doesn’t mean people should be asking for a ban as much as they are, and with the number of pro players saying modern is in a really good place right now, I think we should be slower in our reactions.