This is not a shit post , I have read all of fate stay night (visual novel) and loved it , but I hate fate zero , for two main reasons (the second reason is the most important)

1st reason , mischaracterization , saber's personality was butchered , lore inconsistencies , etc .....

2nd reason : one of the main selling points that i loved about fate stay night was the slice of life , the story actually breaths, it feels real ,even the dark sections feel dark because of what we lived through with the characters , on the other side , fate zero just feels edgy , soulless , it doesn't have any of the charm that fate stay night had , I know it's supposed to be a tragedy-ish story , but come on I can't love any of the characters beside waver and rider

Lemme know what y'all think

necessary edit : guys , again this is not a hate or a shit post😭

you can be a fate zero fan or a stay night fan as I am

it's not a war you can like one of them without the other , or like them both

just in my opinion, zero felt dull in comparison of stay night (the vn) , it's not a take that I've seen before , and I wanted to see the fandom's opinion, with all due respect , I love every type moon work I consumed , fate zero is my least favorite , and i hate it for what it did to the franchise, but it's not unenjoyable

I play FGO. I do like FGO's story, and can appreciate that it single-handedly brought this franchise out of niche status and made Type Moon the juggernaut it is today (from a financial perspective). The money earned from FGO is reinvested into other TM works as well, and we would have never gotten official English translations of TM VNs otherwise.

But, FGO ruins a lot of what made the Fate franchise special in the first place. To this day, Fate/Stay Night (the visual novel) is still the best Fate story and is still one of the best visual novels of all time. Watching Fate/Strange Fake (my god how long has it been since we last had a proper HGW story) and finishing Fate/Samurai Remnant just makes me realise that other Fate stories can't escape the influence FGO has had on the franchise, for worse, not for better.

FGO committed these three major sins (IMO):

1. It actively ruined the suspense of finding out Servant identities and their trump cards, because we already know them due to playing FGO. And the writers who write other Fate works expect you to already know who these Servants are. FSR literally uses Jalter to bait you into playing the game because look, it's Jalter but actually, it's not Jalter! In a way it's kind of smart because it subverts a FGO's player expectations of who Lancer actually was. But Musashi as Berserker? Ushi Gozen as Rider? Putting popular FGO Servants into Fate works feels so fanservicey, and I was way more excited when the story had me interacting with Saber, Archer, Caster and Assassin, and the Waxing Moon Masters instead, because we didn't know who they were and we didn't know anything about them from previous Fate works. Same with Rogue Saber and Rogue Berserker, who weren't just simple FGO Servants copy and pasted (Rogue Berserker should have been the Berserker in FSR instead of Musashi). Other Rogue Servants quite literally only exist as fanservice to FGO and nothing more.

Fate/Strange Fake is even worse in this regard with blatant references and callbacks to other Fate works besides FGO, like El Melloi Case Files and Fate/Prototype. The reason why Gil and Enkidu even exist is to draw from their existing fanbases, like the writer is telling us that their stories can't stand on its own merits.

One good thing about other Fate stories is at least they put the focus back on Masters. They're just as important as Servants in a HGW and all the strategising, alliances, and setup is just as important as the battles themselves. FGO-onlies don't see that part of Fate and FGO being so Servant-focused is a detriment to the Fate franchise.

Fate/Extella Link could have been a good game given Extella's story (I don't like Altera robbing us of a proper Atilla the Hub but it did introduce the concept of Quantum Timelocks and the Pruning Theoretical Phenomenon), but it's so bogged down by the inclusion of FGO characters that it's nothing more than complete fanservice fluff. As much as I like Charlie, he can't save the game.

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2) The retcons. I absolutely abhor the concept of Grand Servants and what they did to the franchise. It's like if the Servant isn't qualified to be a Grand, they're weak in the playerbases eyes'. Servants aren't even supposed to be a concept the Counter Force uses - they are containers meant to allow the Grail to summon one aspect of a Heroic Spirit because it's impossible to summon the Heroic Spirit itself - it's a concept that's supposed to be only applied in a Holy Grail War. The CF uses Counter Guardians, and while CGs may be HS, the idea of the world using class containers seems absurd with unlimited mana at its disposal. This is why this "lore expansion" (if you don't see it as a retcon) is something that never sat right with me. Powerscalers left and right tunnel visioned and argued constantly over who the Grand Servants are, and I just sit here thinking "nah this whole Grand concept is bullshit anyway".

The FGO playerbase also needs to learn about gameplay-story segregation. Class advantage isn't a thing. Stop bringing it up in discussions.

Oh and what it did to Berserkers. It was far more interesting when loss of sanity actually meant something, not "I'm still completely mentally sound, oh but loophole, I OBSESS over one thing so that makes me a Berserker I guess". Assassins no longer being limited to Hassan's descendants is something I do agree with though, but FGO's Assassins are quite literally anything but (like have we actually seen an Assassin in FGO actually assassinate anything?). Granted, Fate/Extra already retconned this so it's not something FGO deserves credit for.

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3) The genderbending (though it's not entirely FGO's fault - Fate/Extra was just as bad with Nero and Francis Drake). Saber in FSN being a girl was a justification that I never expected could be so compelling, but it works so well in the context of FSN even if it started so for eroge reasons. It's still the only example of proper and compelling genderbending in the franchise. Because of FGO, now historical Servants are genderbent for no reason other than to sell waifus (as if there aren't a plethora of female historical figures Fate could pull from), with the only other acceptable one being Saber from FSR, who plays it more as tongue-in-cheek because Saber is still male, just his legend had him cross dress and present as female, and he absolutely refuses to reveal his gender. Brilliant and hilarious, IMO. Da Vinci also falls in the somewhat acceptable category, just because it's the Servant itself choosing to manifest his appearance as the Mona Lisa while he was canonically Da Vinci in his original life.

FGO did this to itself by making genderbends way more prevalent and gave the franchise a reputation that could have been entirely avoided.

Weaker than Ryougi? Seriously?

OG Tohno beat Chaos, Roa then in melty blood ciel, Arcuied, Archetype Earth, Red Arc, TATARI, Dust of Osiris, Kouma, Red Akiha

If we added the remake Vlov, Mash, Ushiwaka and Dantes

Legit where are people getting Tohno is weaker than Ryougi? Her eyes being more advanced doesnt mean she's inherently more powerful than Tohno

Holy shit guys we got multiple insane Artoria upscale but no one is talking about it let me break it down.

First of all we need to establish something you see in Lord El-Melloi II and FGO Artoria was called the King of fairies and spirits, and due to her having Rhongomyniad she is also called King of Storms...storm referring to the Wild Hunt..this where her first upscale lies.

Theodoric Alter is known as the Wild Hunt itself and he has a enough magic energy to rival the machine gods

Since Artoria is known as the King of Storms she and Drake both of them can command the Wild Hunt which as mentioned above is Theodoric Alter who has a ton of other shit.

But it gets more interesting, since Barghest is a black dog (fairy) and Artoria is also the king of fairies and they also help her with castle camelot she can also command her and I am not talking about LB Barghest I am talking about PHH one (though LB one might actually be on the list too)

Then we also have Habetrot I mean come on such a cute little fairy and she will 1000% help her no matter what.

All of this supported by Garden of Avalon (fairies help with castle Camelot) and Lord El-Melloi II where Shishigo Kairi mentions that the Wild Hunt was led by King Arthur this was further proven in Lance Artoria Alter's profile.

This means that Artoria is stupidly strong having a machine god level being with her and other crazy fairies to help her as well..on top of being strong herself like she has similar magical energy generation to that Archetype:Earth and the Planet itself

Breath of the Planet: C
A basic ability possessed by every true species of A-ray. While it may seem as though the A-ray in question is only taking a deep breath to psych themself up when using this ability, they are actually drawing in mana from their surroundings, thereby powering up their abilities to where they internally generate as much magical energy as a dragon's core.- Fate/Grand Order Archetype:Earth profile

Then we also have this

Her heart is forged from the concept of dragons.
Its magical energy can rival that of Earth's own core.
Pulsing with the dragon's roar, the king shall bring down the Sword of the Planet.
The Sacred Sword is crowned the strongest, because of the power of its wielder. -Fate/Grand Order Saber Alter bond 10 CE.

We also have Agravain glazing Artoria calling her a god

"The king is not the dragon's incarnation—his very heart is a single dragon. The magical energy he was born with is on a completely different scale to ours. Do not seek human values from one who possesses magical energy akin to the gods." - Agravain to the knights

so did Merlin in Garden of Avalon

The people are unable to see it because you have possession of it. The Radiant Tower shining beyond the horizon rests in your hands now. Don't you feel excited? It's almost like you've suddenly become a god!"

So, yeah you have people glazing EMIYA (especially) and Gilgamesh's PV parts like no tomorrow and no one made this post when we have (actual) proof (that is in-line with the story and universe and not just a PV) and can link things together, I mean sure Archer traced the weapons of grands but what can he do with them? Azreal's sword is nothing but a normal sword, his Uta Duranki is nothing compared to the original due to it being hollow, he can use Herc's axe for Nine Lives but he can use it normally too, he can probably trace a hollow version of Marmyadose but it won't help him much his Vajra won't be equal to Indra's and he still doesn't have weapons at least 3 grands.

Then we have Gil who is just there and Gil fan(s) [As I only one post and people rightfully grilled that person] is (are) like "Damn he really helped EMIYA with ORT using Ea, he probably dealt the final blow to ORT". (I shit you not that is something I legit saw..I have linked the post down as a reply to one of the comments)

Meanwhile we have Artoria who can actually call upon the Wild Hunt and fight her way trough Lostbelts you know where EMIYA and Gil would get cooked.

Yes if you haven't already figured out this post is taking a piss out of all the posts that you have seen after the PV..ignoring all the context and facts and just glazing the shit out of characters for the sake of glazing.

What worries me is that there are actually people who believe these are "upscales" for Gil and EMIYA like what? When the video is clearly meant for I don't know "PROMOTION" as it is a "PROMOTIONAL VIDEO".

So, I decided to make this post, it still isn't as cool and glazy is that a word as I wanted it to be and yes I want to write all of this down here in case people seriously believe I think that Artoria can actually get and command Theodoric Alter..she can command the Wild Hunt don't get me wrong but I doubt it will extend to him..but I just wanted to make a post that ignore all logic and context for the reason of glazing to show how absurd it is to believe that EMIYA and Gilgamesh did any lasting damage to ORT.

If we go by the logic of the PV literally,

This bum arse idiot is watching the whole thing probably doing nothing but staring in the sky or something like you have Excalibur bitch use it against oh I don't the giant alien saucer that will destroy the Planet..maybe she is thinking about TYPE-Tea(cup) and how it will pair up with ORT aka TYPE-Saucer..look at those eyes they crave that tea..shit now I am craving tea...I am going to go make tea now bye.

Before I go..don't..stop EMIYA and Gil fans, because it is not an upscale I am sorry but it is not..it is cool as fuck but not an upscale because they didn't beat ORT..in fact were it for Ereshkigal and Kingprotea EMIYA would be dead...then man gets up and uses Rho Aias..oh yes that will help against a fucking solar storm.

I love the PV, enjoy it as a PV don't canonize your own head cannons.

She's a character that could have been interesting, but in the end, she ended up as a simple self-insert from Mash's haters. Despite being a character that was planned for a long time, she seems to have been made at the last minute. Coincidentally, she can read minds and see that Mash is forcing her emotions and that her feelings are fake, completely ignoring all the things that Mash showed she loved or admired throughout almost the entire game, almost like a retcon of the character. And Lilith hates her for that because, of course, she's the typical dark character, but she loves humanity, something impressive and never seen before (sarcasm).

The main character of Fate/Grand Order, Fujimaru Ritsuka, is a weird thing to talk about. I made a whole thread ages ago about how I dislike the power fantasy wish fulfillment nature of them as self inserts of a gacha game, but that's not the topic this time.

This time I want to talk about powers.

Fujimaru has the power of summoning shadow versions of the Servants he has formed contracts with. At first glance this is simple and clean, easy to understand.

Overall you can consider him a summoner who has some nice magical items (Mystic Codes, though they are more outfits than items) that can perform various magecraft for him since he doesn' know any by himself. His fights come down to summoning shadows, maybe providing a bit of support with his MCs, then the fight is over.

The **problem** shows up when you try to make sense of it. I will list a couple issues

**ISSUE #1 - Magical Energy Cost**

Normally with every other Type Moon main character they have some sort of limitation to what they are able to do. Emiya Shirou can't project swords infinitely and needs a ton of energy to use his reality marble. Tohno Shiki can't fight long battles as his eyes will damage his brain if he uses them too long. The one time Shizuki Soujyuro fought a big werewolf he had to break two arms, a leg, and several internal organs just to land two hits on it.

So what is Fujimaru's limitation? Naturally you would assume it is magical energy cost. So I will bold important information from here on to make it easy to keep track of. **Fujimaru is stated in Zhuge Liang's Interlude by Waver Velvet to be close to Waver in ability as a mage**. This matters because Waver is quite subpar. He has 9 magical circuits and he was barely able to support one Servant in the 4th Holy Grail War of Fate/Zero. However, Fujimaru doesn't have to worry about that because **his actual Servants are supported by Chaldea's magical energy reactors**. The issue lays more with how much do Fujimaru's shadow summons consume.

The answer? However much the writer at hand wants. Since FGO is a gacha game, the combat is substituted by gameplay where you can use up to 6 Servants. The only actual look at how combat might canonically go down is in adaptations, and boy do they not help...

FGO anime adaptations outright ignore this ability altogether. The only thing similar is in Solomon where Fujimaru has a Mystic Code that lets him summon the Servants to fight, but not as shadow Servants. He has 7 normally but can go further beyond by using his life energy as well.

FGO Epic of Remnant SERAPH manga tells us that "**Summoning Shadows is an emergency measure. To only be used when there is no alternative. It takes a lot of magical energy to summon a shadow and make it fight. I have contracts with many Servants and if I use their shadows I'll collapse in no time.**" To me this only says the writer of this manga was likely not given proper information or Nasu simply doesn't care, because in other adaptations and the game it's implied we summon shadows a lot. You may assume this means Fujimaru improved since then but that makes little sense because magical circuit count is set in stone at birth. Fujimaru can't increase his limit. He can maybe improve the circuits a bit by training but it won't help much. **After all in the Turas Realta manga and a flashback in the Agartha manga we're told by Doctor Roman that Fujimaru can't do much magecraft with the amount of magic circuits he has (which tracks, by looking at Waver who even as an adult can do very little).** To make matters worse, in the Part 2 finale a character makes an observation that our magical energy amount is higher than it was at the start of the game. They don't act blown away by this so it's likely not a big difference, so I would say at most it might be twice as much as we had at the start. In an early interlude for reference, a true Servant Darius is almost draining Ritsuka by himself, so shadows have to be way more cost efficient.

So we simply don't know how much energy Fujimaru requires. If someone tells you he can spam dozens of shadows or that he collapses after summoning one, both would be true.

**ISSSUE #2 - How many Shadow Servants Does Fujimaru Summon In A Fight?**

This one is very connected to the previous so I'll make it short. In the manga adaptations at most we have seen Ritsuka summon two or three shadows at the same time. Normally it's implied this is down to magical energy and we can somehow use Chaldea's for it so it's never fully attributed to Fujimaru's energy. However in many story chapters we are cut off from Chaldea. In recent chapter Ordeal Call 3, a character notes we can summon three shadows if we push ourselves. So you can probably assume the limit for Ritsuka's shadow summons using his own reserves is three. However fans like to debate this, as semantics can mean this only applies in Ordeal Call 3 if you assume Black Bart saying there are fewer heroic spirits to summon in this singularity as it is lesser known. However that only refers to the amount of Servants we can choose to summon from, not how many we are limited in being able to summon. It's confusing af...

So **we can probably assume Ritsuka can only summon three.** Again, it's not clear and it never will be because Nasu can't be bothered to care.

**ISSUE #3 - Fujimaru Ritsuka's Own Strength**

Fujimaru is a human. Countless times he is stated to be meant to be an ordinary person. He works out to be in good shape but otherwise nothing about them is meant to be superhuman physically.

However, as with everything else, we can't have it that easy, so I'll list some points often brought up by fans and some logical counterpoints to them.

**Point 1** - Ritsuka ran across the US singularity from one end to the other in a matter of days.

Counterpoint: We literally have Servants, and one of the wounded Servants is carried on Nightingale's back for most of the chapter since he can't walk. There is no reason to assume Ritsuka was keeping up with Servants on foot.

**Point 2** - Ritsuka outran Heracles in Okeanos

Counterpoint: We never outran Heracles. The purpose of that chase was a plan to lure Heracles to David's Ark. Our Servants set up several check points where they held Heracles back while Ritsuka made their way to the next. We were't actually racing Heracles.

**Point 3** - Ritsuka fought Beast Goetia barehanded and won.

Counterpoint: Ritsuka fought Goetia in a brawl after Goetia started turning to dust due to Solomon's Ars Nova. When they fight, Goetia has only half of his body left and only one arm. Despite this, in the movie the fight ends with Goetia punching Fujimaru who falls on his knee. Goetia then throws another punch but his arm turns to dust before his fist reaches Fujimaru. There is also no indication of Goetia having his Beast strength anymore, as this form of his is even described as a human form. For all intents and purposes this is just two men in a slugfest, not Fujimaru pulling out superhuman feats that aren't explained whatsoever.

**Point 4** - Ritsuka can lift planets because he held Olga in the Part 2 finale

Counterpoint: Beats me. There are a couple contradictions to this idea. Is Olga really weighing as much as a planet? Probably. Did Fujimaru hold her? Who knows, because we don't actually see the scene, just text. All that is said is that they grab Olga's hand while she is being pulled by gravity. Fujimaru's arm almost tears off and Olga lets go. It's not clear if we actually "held a planet's weight" because of several reasons. 1. Olga's weight is not clear, 2. The gravity force pulling her is not clear. 3. The rope Ritsuka is holding on is definitely not holding up a planet so it's fair to believe it was loosening and letting both of them fall until a certain point. 4. Ritsuka notes multiple times across the game that certain things are heavy, so they definitely don't have the strength to lift a planet. It just doesn't make any sense.

**Conclusion**

The writers just don't give a shit...

I personally think it's a way better main character than Shirou, and I like way more the moral of FGO rather than the visual novel. I don't mean that I don't like Fate OG at all, but I think FGO is overhated sometimes. Nevertheless, I want to try to understand better the other take on such subject.

(I watched everything)

I always saw people saying that Zero spoils Stay Night if you watch it first, but how? It doesn't even make sense for a prequel to spoil its sequel. The fact to me is that a lot of people see Stay Night as the central piece and I get it, but it still doesn't make sense since Zero is just the way the events occurred before Stay Night stories. I think the spoilers they mean are just the answers we don't get about certain things during the series, like Gilgamesh being there or why Shirou has Avalon inside him.

It's like saying watch The Godfather II first because if you watch The Godfather I first you'll get spoiled about how Michael became the godfather lol

Jeanne's story in it ranges from sad and is bittersweet at best. Not saying it's poorly written, just hurts too much.

Combine that with the fact that we have to fight and hurt her, as she carry Jalter's face, just hurts more.

I get that they want to add a tragic character, but making a beloved character, at least my beloved character tragic just hurts me.

Suppose it is my fault for thinking we get to recruit Jalter and give her a happy ending, but it really was unnecessary to give a beloved character such a painful role.

Not to mention, Jeanne is entirely replacable in SR. Artoria, 90 percent of the Round Table's members, Karna, Herc, Enkidu. Anybody could have replaced Jeanne but they had to choose Jeanne.

You can say Chiemon is Christian, but let me ask you, do think the guys mentioned above will choose to not help someone just because of their religion?

I see a lot of fan arts, fanfics and bots of character IA about this and I find it disturbing, although Artoria was not raped, that they stole her "essence" to create a copy of her without her consent can be taken as something similar and people want Artoria to love a daughter as a result of that.

1."Iskandar RM was destroyed by Ea"

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero:Act_16

" To begin with, the Reality Marble they were in was maintained by the total prana of the summoned Heroic Spirits. Before the world itself disappeared, the bounded field broke apart at the seams once over half of the army had been lost, and the distorted laws of space once again returned to the way they had been. "

2. "Shirou RM was destroyed by Ea in Oath Under Snow"

PRISMA material/pre - Encyclopedia: Unlimited Blade Works [Noble Phantasm/Magecraft], p.23

"The instant Miyu flew to another world, the mana path was cut off, and he became unable to maintain the Reality Marble. As a result he lost the battle"

3. "Ea power is limited in the scale of planet"

Fate-Strange Fake, Vol 1

"The entire universe that had been compressed beyond limit focused around Ea, and was released by its wielder’s slash. The resulting pressure wave sundered the nearby space."

Ea can, and DID compressed the entire Universe, and turn the world upside down, hence the being strongest. But the that power is not to kill or destroy. Thus, no one in the entire world or universe got hurt that day.

4. "Ea OFFENSIVE power is stronger than Excalibur"

Fate/complete material II: Character material - Weapons: Ea, p.133

" The space-cutting technique fired from this overloaded state is called “Enuma Elish”, and boasts destructive power on the same level as Excalibur. "

5. "Reality Marble can be destroyed/neutralized by the World/Counter Force, just like Enkidu did to Ea"

Only possible when user out of mana:

Tsukihime Dokuhon PlusPeriod - TSUKIHIME Dictionary: Reality Marble [Unusual talent], p.179

" Of course, if anything that isn't an extension of nature like an elemental creates an alien world, the world itself will crush it. As a result, the upkeep of a reality marble requires a vast amount of energy, and most individuals are only capable of using one for a few minutes at a time."

Note: Please note that all of the above are copied from the official source/materials.

I finished most of the main timeline and most of grand order. And I (at first) thought it’d be nice to try out the VN. But seeing these posts is starting to make me rethink that😭

I was already so tired of the rape shit that was going on with Shinji, only to start hearing that even Illya starts trying that shit😭😭😭

Why??? How much of the VN is just rape rape and rape??😭😭😭 how am I supposed to know that I’m not about to jump into literally just Maggot Baits but with a Fantasy paint coating??😭😭😭

Migrating all the way from the Wuthering Waves “gathering wives” community mentioned people talking about Fate characters being wives and husbands. I admit I have a history of awful luck taking a liking to every character I’m not supposed to like (RIP Kali, Merlin) so I could have just gone for all the ones that are off limits. But I’m confused and unable to understand whether it’s just raw horniness or the game actually is supposed to be for that audience

R1: Their StayNight version

R2: Turn those versions into Grand Order

I feel like this might be a hot take, but, IMO, Hollow Ataraxia (and the pre-Lumina Melty Blood CGs if he did them, can't get solid info on whether or not he actually drew those) are the last things that Takeuchi drew that I actually like. This goes to the point where the art style somewhat ruins modern TM VNs for me? I've haven't read Mahoutsukai or TsukiRe yet, and I don't really feel too much of a desire to, almost purely because of how painfully generic/soulless I feel post HA Takeuchi's art is. It'd just be nice to know if I'm clinically insane, or if this is actually an opinion that other people share.

EDIT: Apparently the same thing applies to Koyama? Their art looks similar enough that, without active searching, I apparently can't tell who drew which character/game, so the same thing applies.

Just a hypothetical. Would Wukong be the strongest person in the nasuverse if he was included?

With his ability to separate each of his hairs and turn them into clones of himself with the same power level, that would place him at the scale of anti-army noble phantasm. When he uses the Nimbus cloud, he can travel thousands of miles within seconds. That could make his traveling speed the fastest. He could even travel to the edge of the galaxy in a single leap though. Even when he was taken down from his peak, he took on continental-level threats. That would place him, on the same level as anti-continent NPs, and he did that with just his staff and his 72 transformations. Let's not forget that he took on multiversal and multireality beings. That makes him an anti-reality being just by existing.

Also a question for all. He achieved Buddhahood at the end of his story. Does that mean he reached the root?

Like, what if she knew about how the far-right in France used her figure for their own agendas (to be honest though, they're not the only ones).

I'm thinking specifically about the time where Jean-Marie Le Pen, a famous far-right leader, yelled at a statue of Jeanne d'Arc : "Jeanne, au secours !" (it translates into : "Jeanne, help !").

I swear I'm not making this up. Here's two links : Jean Marie Le Pen - " Jeanne au secours !! " - YouTube

Jean-Marie Le Pen crie Jeanne au secours !!! - YouTube

I'm asking this for two reasons : 1) Because I'm French ; 2) because I'd like to imagine her reaction 🤣

I was looking forward to strange fake. never read ln, or manga, but it seemed really cool. the action and animation was fantastic, top notch, and I plan to watch s2 for that reason alone.

but I have to admit, even having watched so much fate stuff, this got incredibly confusing the longer it went on. the break neck pace did not help what so ever. so many times did I want it to slow down and explain. it did not help that the cast is so large that people need flow charts(Ive seen sooo many) to just understand whats going on on a basic level.

it didnt help that several times goals and wishes are described very vaguely. Even now I could not tell you what in the world Richards wish is even though he straight up said it aloud.

the action is great. I love the references. but it gets to be too much too quickly.

I want to see season 2, if for action alone, but if I, someone who has consumed a great deal of the fate franchise, am not understanding whats going on and whats being said then I feel its getting too confusing.