i got the idea of hazel, the meaning or whatever. but i can’t figure out what dartmouth is about. or overdriver really :p does anyone know?

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anyone at the first day back show last night? how’d you guys feel about them cutting the last song short because of crowd surfers?

i was shocked because i know the venue doesn’t care about crowd surfing at all since it’s a big hardcore venue. and the crowd wasn’t crazy at all. everyone listened the one time they asked for everyone to step back and no crowd surfers were being dropped off at the front where the band was playing.

apparently first day back has put out a PSA about crowd surfing before, so i guess they just have an issue with crowd surfing in general. i kind of would expect crowd surfing if you’re playing at a hardcore venue, though. maybe they didn’t know they wouldn’t have a stage?

anyways, just curious if any of you were there.

Hi! i recently asked eldritch anisette if they’d be open to an interview, and they agreed! for background info, i’m a photographer based in delaware that makes zines about local music and the culture here.

I’m prepping questions now, and wanted to know if anyone in the wider emo community has things they’d like to know about the band. thanks!

full set: https://youtu.be/0IkEpLNTU6Q?is=5jGXiLrJfyDPrLuD

Wanna know what newer bands in emo I should listen to and look out for any suggestions help

I’m writing a book (dark academia) with the 22 year old Nacromancer dude.

Think “I used to be a bit emo, then I realized I can literally talk to ghosts and skeletons and I won’t shut up about it.”

So if he’s 22 y/o now, which bands is he listening to now?

Don’t want to come off old (I’m 27 now so it’s a small gap but still)

I love how this album feels. I don't think I see many people talking about Still Life

Does Roger King share his art other than as album covers? Apologies if he does on social media, I don’t have any. Are we able to buy prints from him for example or does he have a portfolio of sorts?

Thank you!

I still can't believe I got to see them and Jejune in the same year.

Third-wave Emo is suddenly cool again among the younger generation. Millennials... We finally made it.

HQ VHS Transfer courtesy of Aadam Jacobs.

If you'd like to download this concert you can (FOR FREE) on my Archive.org page below. I archive hundreds of concerts each week from various sources, AND ALWAYS give credits to the sources via the google doc.

https://archive.org/details/rock-and-metal-concerts

https://archive.org/details/live-concert-bootlegs-archive

...And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead is one of the few bands to achieve a perfect 10/10 on Pitchfork:

Source Tags and Codes will take you in, rip you to shreds, piece you together, lick your wounds clean, and send you back into the world with a concurrent sense of loss and hope. And you will never, ever be the same.

Source: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/178-source-tags-and-codes/

In the late 90s and early 00s, they were also considered—by critics at least—one of the best emo bands.

[Source Tags & Codes is] the band's most obviously emo album to date.

– Alternative Press, March 2002, Page 72

Source: https://www.metacritic.com/music/source-tags-codes/and-you-will-know-us-by-the-trail-of-dead/critic-reviews

The opening title track [of Relative Ways/Homage EP] bolts an emo heartsong to thundering trapwork and ringing guitar grooves.

– CMJ New Music Monthly, November 26, 2001

Source: https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/CMJ/2001/CMJ-741-2001-11-26.pdf

Excellently named emo band …And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead was formed in late 1994...

– All Music Guide to Rock, 2002, third edition, page 27

Source: https://books.google.ca/books?id=1-pH4i3jXvAC

Furthermore, on Wikipedia's "List of emo artists", ...Trail of Dead also has an entry.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emo_artists

Now before some of you nerds twirl your index fingers in the air and say, "Well, akshually..." let's acknowledge that the emo categorization is controversial.

The band themselves never embraced emo nor the emo community. In a 2002 Pitchfork interview, Jason Reece said:

Emo kids never quite embraced us because... we weren't exactly emo!

Conrad Keely elaborated:

I think we never made a point of having our music be an overt expression of some crippling emotion that we suffered. I mean, we write about pain, but we don't dwell on it.

Source: https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/5849-and-you-will-know-us-by-the-trail-of-dead/

Furthermore, emo fans themselves don't seem to accept ...Trail of Dead as one of their own. Here's examples:

I've heard people call Trail of Dead "emocore." I dunno if I buy the label, but whatever.

– Questionable Content forums, July 9, 2005

Source: https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php?topic=6365

Okay, so not exactly emo but great post-hardcore

– r/Emo, January 18, 2024

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Emo/comments/199wpj7

some of the more complicated bands that are not exactly emo, like Faraquet, Self-Evident, Trail of Dead

– r/Emo, December 6, 2023

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Emo/comments/18c7q5x

SO WHY DOES THIS EVEN MATTER?

Because Emo Kids Anonymous recently published the Top 200 Emo Albums of All Time. This is based on a poll of 300 participants, all who would describe themselves as emo fans.

And on this list are several bands that are explicitly not emo but are nevertheless on this list. This includes:

• Blink-182

• AFI

• Drive Like Jehu

• Weezer

• At The Drive-In

• Elliott Smith

• Fugazi

• Paramore

Yet who is not on this list? You guessed it: ...Trail of Dead.

Now I'm not saying this is an omission. A band that is not an emo band shouldn't be on a list of the Top 200 Emo Albums of All Time.

However, neither should Blink-182 who have objectively never been mistaken for an emo band. Critics never referred to Blink-182 as an emo band, whereas they often applied this label to ...Trail of Dead.

Which is mind-blowing. ...Trail of Dead is a defining post-hardcore band, one that defined the 2000s. Let me also remind you one of only 11 bands to get that perfect Pitchfork score—joining the ranks of Radiohead, Wilco, and Kanye West.

So here's what I want to know: Why has ...Trail of Dead had so little lasting influence on emo despite being considered one of the genre's leading bands by some critics in the early 2000s?

Again, this was a band that critics called "emo".

Yet today, you'd hardly know they had anything to do with emo at all. They're practically absent from discussions about the genre's history, its most influential bands, and its greatest albums. Which I find incredibly bizarre.

Did the band's refusal to embrace emo mean that emo fans never really embraced them? Or have subsequent generations of emo fans effectively written them out of a history they were once considered part of?