Another day, another drama from the pious Murder Sheet HQ.

To preface this for the TL;DR crowd, I DO think that Motta is in the wrong here, but Murder Sheet is being a shit pot stirrer to come out on top as a flawless moral authority.

For those that missed it, Murder Sheet went on a tangent in their latest episode against Bob Motta of the Defense Diaries, accusing him of practically being involved with the defense. They also made a point about him using the girls' hashtag to share RA's fundraiser, as well as being dismissive about the importance of the leak, sharing a screenshot from his chat with the YouTuber who broadcast the images on his channel.

For the latter: how is NOT Murder Sheet itself dismissive of the leak when they had the audacity to run an episode analyzing the pictures? When they themselves stored and analyzed the pictures' metadata? And oh, that episode had some ads for diamonds on it, in case anyone thought they did it for "justice for the girls."

They're no better than the so-called "Delphi Creators" they look down upon, and they're now turning on other podcasters who may cut into their listens. Because, let's face it, those two leech off the case for survival. They're being sanctimonious to muddy the waters about how exploitative they actually are.

Do have this right?

One of the alternative suspects ex wife had his old mobile phone and on that phone was a video of what appears to be a kidnapping of a young girl ( not Abby or Libby )

She met with Todd and told him this.

Todd reported this and naturally expected it to be collected and follow up on.

It wasn’t.

Phone with video on it was never even collected off of ex wife.

Todd then collected it and handed it over to the defence team. The now have it.

Is this correct? Please tell me I’m picking things up wrong from reports of his testimony today?

WTF. Who is this girl? How could this be ignored?

https://x.com/rafaelontv/status/1846209648019312945?s=46&t=G7O0ctiZBaS1dY6AXHB3Nw

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Dude I'm baffled by the amount of fuckery going on in this case, the police spent 7 years chasing a fat perverted liar and his dad around just to figure out that allegedly one of the first people to talk to someone was the killer after combing through files that someone overlooked, the first judge recuses himself for the safety of him and his family, we have a second judge trying to throw off the defense team that SHE APPOINTED just for the supreme Court of the state to tell her she can't do that but she can stay on and then out of spite she buddies up to the dipshit prosecutor who's about as useless as any public pretender you could find, all the while the defense team is having friends leak crime scene photos and claiming an obscure prison cult ritualistically sacrificed the girls and are torturing their client whilst he rots in prison withering away to the point he's eating court paperwork and confessing numerous times over the phone....HAS EVERYONE LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS OR AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO IS GOING NUTS WONDERING WHAT THE HELL THEYRE DOING IN INDIANA BECAUSE THIS SHIT DOESNT SEEM TO HAPPEN ANYWHERE ELSE

Just a little while before Rick Allen's arrest, there was a crisis in the Delphi Sheriff's Office.

If you want a reminder of why this case is so twisted and why it took 7 years to put someone behind bars for the murders of Abby and Libby, it is candidly obvious that corruption is the heart of the problem.

There's something rotten in the county of Carroll.

There seems to be confusion about what a hundred yards represent in the bigger picture.
Some suggest it must have been the family and the searchers.
Or LE would have eliminated these people.

Eliminated or not, to me it's unimaginable to not provide all the people roaming not only around, but in the area the girls were found.
If not as suspects, maybe as witnesses.
Not having seen anything is an observation too.

So lets see what Defense wrote:

"some of these movements appeared to have occurred between 3:02 pm and 3:27 pm either at the scene where the victims were ultimately found on February 14, 2017 or within 60-100 yards from that site"

As for the time :
THAT It has been reported by family, DG arrived in the area to pick the girls up around 3pm, and first tried to call at Wilson bridge, east of RL.
Parked at the M parking, called again, started walking.
Reportedly he first crossed FSG, and went down the other trial instead of to the bridge.
Walking around on the yellow paths at best, note that DG was obese, not just overweight.
I don't know about his shape, but I don't think he was running around.

He likely didn't even make it close to the bridge at 3:27 pm yet, let alone the crimescene.
At this point in time, they weren't truly missing yet, there were no searchers.

At about 3:50 pm DG back at the M parking with sister in the car, starting to call around.

KG got a call after this time, she was at her bf/bff getting ready for work.

As for at the scene :
THAT I took exact coordinates in the RL search warrant.

The divide between RL and M is near the cemetery down to the creek.
South of the creek is the W property.
There are no trails or otherwise public areas there, apart from the creek.
If these people weren't invited by RL, they were trespassing.

I included a photo of the general area, without the foliage it's a rather visible open space.
And in real life there is no depth compression or low resolution artifacts.

If the people that were in the circle at the time of the crime weren't involved, and didn't see or hear anything, also knowing at that time there were also peopls on the bridge, in my opinion the girls or remains weren't there yet, which.

The timeline is approximate and based on family interviews other than DG.
Afaik DG hasn't spoken publicly and their timeline hasn't been mentioned in official court documents.

The 100 yards circle was drawn with the distance tool in Google Earth, and reduced to 60% to get the 60 yards circle. Initial indication to distances I gave in comments were referenced from a bit higher, the 100 yards circle barely touched the south bank, this is more accurate following the RL search warrant location, but it's possible they used another point, and the zone being entirely on the north side.

I intentionally didn't crop the area photo more to leave credit/origin.

Through personally delivery and creation, yours truly, Redduif.

I have no special empathy for RA, but I do follow subs analyzing his treatment vs his legal rights since arrest. And I do comment and question the solidness of this case. As a result, I’ve been accused of being pro RA’s innocence, when I am ABSOLUTELY not. I’m pro “do this investigation and trial properly and let the evidence speak for itself, so actual justice can occur”. I haven’t seen or heard enough (imo) to lean either way as to innocence or guilt.

BUT! Just because someone is pro protection of pre trial rights for an accused person doesn’t mean they’re conspiratorial, pro innocence, or that they don’t want to see justice served.

Those advocating to ensure all rights of an accused are/were properly executed and protected also do so to mitigate risk of future conviction appeals based on unnecessary dumbfuckery. How many convictions have been overturned due to failure to simply read Miranda Rights? How many have been let free on appeal or avoided conviction entirely due to confessions being suppressed as a result? How many times has solid evidence had to be tossed out bec of a faulty warrant or illegal search? In one of the worst cases in Tennessee history (murder of Channon Christian and her bf), her perpetrators were all granted new trials simply bec it was discovered the original judge was buying painkillers from a detainee. So…. Why does it matter if Gull commented on a FB post? Why does it matter if the mental health doctor followed the case? Why does it matter if statements were lost or leads weren’t followed? What does the environment or context of his statements matter? This is why! Because the law isn’t sympathetic. It’s black and white. And if it’s not followed appropriately, any conviction or “justice” resulting from this trial could end up being temporary.

Do I think there’s a group of Odinite worshipping child killers in Delphi? I don’t know! It’s not impossible. I would’ve never believed a group (consisting primarily of young females) who followed a short, skinny cult leader murdered Sharon Tate and five others. But it happened. I would’ve never believed Elyse Pahler was murdered by 3 teenage boys as a sacrifice to Satan, but it happened.

I’m all for justice, but TRUE justice will not happen unless this case is/was thoroughly investigated, suspects are/were properly ruled out, and RA is/was afforded every single right he’s entitled by law.

I’m so sick of people accusing us of forgetting or dismissing the victims, “reminding” us of what he’s being accused of, or referring to the family’s timeline of grief. We are all very aware! They are so hell bent on expediting his conviction that they don’t seem to consider or care about the utter devastation the family will endure if/when RA is able to appeal or overturn that conviction due to the very concerns raised by those like BM and others. The family will then possibly be forced to watch him be set free, or endure another trial nightmare, where there’s still a significant risk of evidence being suppressed or limited due to the very issues currently being highlighted by those being demonized. And again - risk the conviction they’re demanding happen so quickly (without question) being overturned. Where is the sympathy or concern for victims in that scenario!?

Anyone else frustrated over this? It’s not that we don’t care about the victims or the family’s grief. It’s not that we feel RA deserves more consideration than the victims or family. It’s to make sure that if he’s guilty, the conviction he receives can’t be appealed or overturned.

Rant over.

RA: Voluntarily went to police to say he was at the trails and saw some girls on the way to the bridge.

EF: Told his sister he was on the bridge at the trails. He was wearing a blue jacket. He resembles the fuzzy screen shot of BG and the (first) young guy sketch.

RA: Adamantly maintained his innocence to authorities, was arrested and imprisoned in solitary confinement under extremely egregious maltreatment and, in a psychotic state, made several confessions, including molesting and shooting the victims (describing details inconsistent with the crime scene).

EF: Confessed two girls were on the bridge, one of them was being difficult so he put "horns" above her head and spit on her, leaving his DNA. Confessed to being with two other people, putting leaves and sticks on the bodies (describing the actual crime scene).

RA: Owned a blue jacket and probably wore it that day. Did not discard it. Did not discard clothing, gun, ammo, old phones or electronic devices, did not flee or change his appearance.

EF: Left his phone at home the day of the crime, tried to give his sister his blue jacket. Told his sister he had to go away for a long time because he was in a lot of trouble, told police he could explain why his DNA was on a victim.

Based on the above, who should be sitting in jail right now awaiting trial?

Hearing Notes - I put together a majority of my notes from yesterday's hearing. I did my best to keep my own bias out & aimed for completeness. + & - feedback always welcome. Thanks y'all!

Edited to clarify - Baldwin shared the Franks w/ MW, not BW. Sorry about that.

IN MY OPINION: I think a lot of people (on either side as well as in the middle) read it and immediately looked for ways to confirm their position or were caught up in the conditions of the prison and what is and isn't normal. There were claims that the defense were exaggerating because to them these things are normal or for others the conditions are so horrific they couldn't imagine it.

I agree that there are a lot of things covered that are normal about being in a prison. Things I know from stories from my family. (Disclaimer: I have never been arrested, but that makes me the black sheep in my family. But, I did grow up on prison stories. A lot of this stuff wasn't surprising to read. Note 2: I've had family members go to Angola prison and it's considered one of the worst prisons in the country, if you want to read about it.)

So, here's what I have to say:

There is no expectation of privacy. I absolutely agree that there was no reason to add that part. It really doesn't make sense and they basically handed the state their response with this. It wasn't the smartest idea to put it nicely.

There are cameras everywhere. Lights very rarely go out completely in prisons for safety. At most they will go down or dim, but they won't go out.

It's not crazy for him to be put in solitary as his case is high profile. That in and of itself has put a bounty on him even without the charges. This happens in a lot of high profile cases. Its normal for most of the conditions described in solitary.

His defense attorneys said he has faced depression. I'm not surprised at anyone on the medical staff getting even a whif of the word depression and putting him on suicide watch. I could even imagine some staff covering their butts and putting him on suicide watch because it's not uncommon in high profile cases. The cloth, fewer showers, the bed on the floor, etc are normal for a lot of prisons for solitary/suicide watch.

Unfortunately, it's not even strange for other inmates to harrass and call him a baby killer. It's normal for the other inmates to harrass him while he's walking around or even in his cell. Literally nothing about that is surprising to me.

I have had family members even express its impossible to sleep in prison because even when the lights go down, the inmates never stop talking. They continue talking throughout the night and you just have to get used to it. That's part of why it's hard to sleep when they get out. Another thing that isn't surprising is him being tazed for not listening. He didn't pose a threat, but that would have happened to anyone who did the same thing. It's about maintaining power and control.

(I'm not saying any of this is right, okay, or just but they are normal for the most part, and a lot of people really gravitated to these things)

There are some horrific conditions described in the motion as well. The inconsistent medication, the leaks, the psychosis, the eating feces, the unofficial bounty to get confessions out of him, etc.

Also, the whole never been convicted of a crime thing is a pretty big deal. The man literally went from living his normal life with a wife and daughter and was thrown into these conditions. There was no jail time period to mentally adjust. (And for that matter, I don't believe he fully understood what was going on at first which is why he said he would hire his own counsel. It sounds to me like he thought this was all some mistake and would be fixed pretty quickly. ) That needs to be taken into consideration no matter how "normal" these things are for prison.

Then there are things that are apparently normal for this prison or for Indiana that are still questionable.

Like the inmate companion program. It's good to have some kind of companionship, but seeing as how they were leaking information in a case with a gag order, it wasn't the best idea.

And not being able to have a private and confidential meeting with an attorney. That one seems like a constitutional rights violation but it's apparently legal, so that really sucks.

But, the point is, normal or not, these are all conditions that have contributed to him making false confessions. Just because lights being on at all times is normal, doesn't mean the sleep deprivation caused by it didn't add to hallucinations, psychosis, and false confessions. The same can be said for the suicide watch, solitary confinement, harassment, treatment by the other inmates, etc.

Conditions that are normal in prison are still important to take into consideration because, there's not usually a concern for false confessions in prison. Everyone there has already been convicted. And in the rare cases that this happens if at all, the person charged usually has a lot more evidence against them, so a confession isn't necessary. So, just because something is normal, doesn't mean it should be dismissed in this case.

My point is: choosing to discuss the whole thing as all exaggeration is missing the point.

A post to discuss today's hearing. Anything groundbreaking will get it's own post, for now let's keep the general discussion here.

Forgive me … I am simply a common old soul, and a foreigner to boot. 😊

Why haven’t those in the title, who carry such widespread viewership/readership, covered this in depth?

I have great admiration and appreciation for all who are currently working so diligently and tirelessly to shine the spotlight where it is needed and have done such remarkable work. However, those in the title reach millions upon millions of people.

I have submitted suggestions online. Any chance that a swell of suggestions to them from all of us would help bring more attention?

ETA: Just another thought: Perhaps any creator willing to submit submissions could also upload their personal best video as well? Or, alternatively, we could all submit the clip of Mr. Baldwin stating “It’s time for you guys to start being journalists.”

Happy Heavenly 21st Birthday Libby🙏🏼