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u/Cbird54 Aug 16 '17
Political agenda aside if you're going to make this about the American president why are you using European planes?
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Aug 16 '17
I really had no idea. Some critiques suggested I add planes. I don't know very much about planes.
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u/Cbird54 Aug 16 '17
Either remove them entirely or change them to F-16s, F-22s or even a Predator drone whatever it is just make sure it's a modern American vehicle. It's a small detail but it can derail the entire art piece because it displays a level of ignorance.
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Aug 16 '17
my whole life is a level of ignorance
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u/Cbird54 Aug 16 '17
Hahaha well as your poster says it is your strength.
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my girlfriend won't let me get an ignorance is strength tattoo so i'm actually a pretty awful person.
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u/Turmoil_Engage Aug 15 '17 edited Aug 16 '17
I do like the design of the piece.
But really, what is with the political circle-jerk on this sub?
Edit: Might've jumped the gun on this one. I should clarify, I mean to say that there is a sudden emergence of political content due to recent events and I'm seeing some division because of it.
I'm hoping that people are civil about displaying design that supports their ideology, because, let's face it, Reddit has a thing for bandwagons and brigading when it comes to the political. I also hope we can have proper discussions about where we agree and disagree about the political messages of our design.
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art and politics have a long history.
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u/Bakytheryuha Aug 16 '17
It's also odd how people tend to forget how past/current administrations are spying on their citizens just like the INGSOC government did with the telescreens. There is also the argument that some people make as to how today's "PC Culture" is akin to the Thought Police. I still think the pic would have been neat if it had stuck with the original source material.
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Aug 15 '17
I dunno where else to post something like this
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u/Snarfler Aug 16 '17
There are like 5 new anti Trump subs per day. Go on /r/PoliticalHumor or /r/MarchAgainstTrump /r/MarchForScience /r/marchformarching
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u/quahss7 Aug 15 '17
idk it looks about neutral enough for r/politics
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u/designgoddess Aug 16 '17
Imagine designers using their talents to have a voice. Shocking.
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u/PretzelsThirst Aug 16 '17
Design is political.
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Design serves a purpose and can be political, but doesn't have to be. This drifts more into art than design
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u/stridersubzero Aug 16 '17
No it isn't. Design is communicating something; solving a problem. If the message you're communicating is not political in nature, then design won't make it so.
You could make an argument that all art is political, which is still wrong IMO, but not design.
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u/xXxdethl0rdxXx Aug 16 '17
Politics is a part of culture. So is design, like any form of art or media.
It's one thing to be concerned about the quality of the sub (I'll definitely unsub when it becomes variations on "covfefe much?????") but to pretend that design can be divorced from politics entirely demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of both
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u/diba_ Aug 16 '17
Well I think this goes without saying but artists tend to be liberal people, not to mention art and politics goes hand in hand
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u/Bears_Bearing_Arms Aug 16 '17
Artists/Graphic designers tend to trend to the left and they get off on this shit.
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u/slapfightMcgee Aug 16 '17
There are important political events going on, in case you aren't American.
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Uh. I just made something I thought was funny. Sorry for ruining everyones lives
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u/not-sure-if-serious Aug 16 '17
Crosspost to /r/modernpropaganda
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u/jascination Aug 16 '17
I would say crosspost to /r/im14andthisisdeep, I mean it's nicely executed but pretty heavy handed.
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u/WhitePawn00 Aug 16 '17
It is pretty heavy handed but not as bad as /r/im14andthisdeep
To be fair it looks like it is intended as book cover so heavy handed is fine imo.
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Aug 16 '17
Fascism isn't particularly subtle. This was Mussolini's Fascist Party Headquarters.
It's a building adorned with a giant frowning face and the words "SI SI SI SI SI" written around 100 times on the front. You cannot make this stuff up.
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u/jascination Aug 16 '17
Wow, never seen that before. It's actually kinda cool, which pains me to say as my family actually had to flee Italy as Mussolini had a death sentence on my great grandfather's head.
Regardless, subtle might not have been the best word. It's more that the point in the OP just isn't very clever at all - "Oh! Truth is Trump if you change some letters!" - and the comparison to this building from Mussolini doesn't really add up.
If you think about the design of that building, while yes it's not particularly subtle, its message is somewhat unclear and I think you'd be hard-press to argue it isn't well-designed. Whereas in the OP, do you really think a real dictator or fascist or evil anything would take a building that says "ministry of truth" and cover up two letters with a banner of their leader's name?
It just feels very heavy-handed to me. Bad taste but good execution.
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u/Vryk0lakas Aug 16 '17
Ministry of truth is from the book 1984. Its drawing parallels. Its big brother watching you and putting out their versions of history.
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Mussolini had some very weird architecture. And he was also weirdly obsessed with having his name everywhere.
So here's the floor at the Foro Italico, which still exists. The soldiers are chanting Duce, Mussolini's nickname. They have these everywhere there. It's kind of crazy how much Fascist architecture you can still find in Rome.
But yeah, the point in OP's image isn't particularly clever, but it wouldn't be the strangest piece of fascist architecture ever produced.
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u/bitt3n Aug 15 '17
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Subtle like a kick in the face maybe ;)
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u/SuperConductiveRabbi Aug 16 '17
I don't get it...
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Seems like something someone would make if they never actually read 1984
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u/TheFourthDirective Aug 16 '17
Thought the same thing. 1984 is about zero toleration of any human acts, rewriting the past to build nationalism in the society, and insane oppressive surveillance. Not really any parallels and Im biased against Trump.
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u/RatherDignifiedDandy Aug 16 '17
Ding ding ding! that is the you took the words right out of my mouth Bell.
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u/Sosolidclaws Aug 16 '17
Orwell clearly intends 1984 to be about authoritarianism and thought control, regardless of left vs. right on the political spectrum. Trump's "fake news" and anti-intellectualism rhetoric perfectly fits the bill (i.e. double-think). The parallels are glaringly obvious, even if the US is nowhere near totalitarian.
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u/Richandler Aug 16 '17 edited Aug 16 '17
The media is nonstop anti-trump and the majority of Americans are buying that. Saying the thought control mechanism of the country is fake doesn't suggest one being authoritarian on its own.
Nothing about Trump implies being sinister, if any thing he embodies ignorance is strength, but he doesn't govern the population into believing that motto.
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u/TheThoughtAssassin Aug 16 '17
And yet the Left controls most of the media, wants to censor what you're allowed to say, and advocate for "implicit bias tests" which essentially indict you of thoughtcrime.
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u/DeadJacuzzi Aug 16 '17
Jesus, can't even escape this shit in Design subs. Could we not start pumping out propaganda posters please?
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u/_Madison_ Automotive Design Aug 16 '17
I would recommend actually reading 1984 before making edgy posters.
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u/madq93 Aug 16 '17 edited Aug 16 '17
My biggest piece of advice is to fix the perspective you got going. All lines that are meant to be vertical on the building should lead to the same point and same for the horizontal lines
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u/madq93 Aug 16 '17
Even if they are supposed to be tapered, the top horizontal edge doesn't line up with the other one. Idk if you see it or not but it's kinda around where the jets are
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Aug 16 '17
The airplanes look like Eurofighters. It'd be more effective if they were drones. Still cool. Is there a high quality version available?
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u/StreetfighterXD Aug 16 '17
Bout to ask when Jagdflugzeug GmbH started supplying the US's primary air superiority platform instead of Boeing and Lockheed. Thought Trump was all bout them American jobs
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/r/all is gonna be empty by the time I get finished filtering out shitty subs that refuse to opt out of politics
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u/a-Mei-zing- Aug 16 '17
...has he even invaded anybody yet? Didn't Obama attack multiple countries?
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u/Saint947 Aug 16 '17
Don't forget that he literally executed American citizens in other countries with Predator drones.
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u/harveyundented Aug 16 '17
Ah yes and when questioned about the killing of a 16 year old American citizen, who had already lost his father to a drone strike, his spokesman said "maybe he should have had more responsible parents."
Absolutely disgraceful.
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u/ASpiralKnight Aug 16 '17
Was thinking "why is this here? the design looks fine"
took me a while to realize I wasn't still on /r/crappydesign
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u/aahxzen Aug 16 '17 edited Aug 17 '17
I don't really care about the political message here, although I suppose we should address how the design is communicating this concept. As others have pointed out, it's fairly uninspired and cliché representation of our supposed dystopia... fair enough. But as stated, it really has been done to death. It's boring. Not to mention, the actual composition kind of sucks. It's framed in a rectangle but the building is skewed on a strange angle. It's clean enough and has nice texture... decent color scheme (although again, cliché) but it doesn't really appeal to my design sensibilities. It's hard to look at this image without feeling agitated by it's entire tone and style. It's even more disappointing that this is upvoted and that we can't even really have a discussion about why this sucks from a design perspective let alone being a pretty banal political view.
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u/jsesstroup Aug 16 '17
Evil Fascist Tyrant Blurnald Blurmpff stood at the office window on the highest floor of his Dark Tower. As he gazed down at the street below, a look of satisfaction spread across his swine-like face, his tiny hands clawing maniacially, gleefully at the Jew-skin coat draping his bloated form. "Those fools!" he cackled, drawing forth from his pocket a twisted bone pipe, fashioned from the remains of his murdered archenemy, Hillary the Virtuous. "They trusted me! They gave all this to me!" His cackling grew louder, more shrill and hysterical, as he spastically waved the pipe at the window, drawing an arc across the entire vista of New York - and America - which now belonged to him. "They'll regret the day they ever trusted Blurnald Blurmpff! Wait'll they see what I'm gonna do with those shifty Mexicans!" A smug, hideous grin creased his cracked, purplish lips as he stuffed the pipe into his mouth, lighting it up to take a long, deep puff of powdered heroin. It was then, though, that his piggish, bloodshot eyes spotted something going on down on the street below. What was that? He leaned closer to the glass, squinting- and, as it came into focus, his blood ran cold. For down on the cold, hard streets of New York beneath his Tower, a family stood... a brave family, clearly members of the underground Resistance, courageously signalling their displeasure with Blurmpff's malevolence by giving he and his tower the finger! "No!" screamed Blurmpff, the pipe tumbling from his lips and scattering ash across his deep-pile rug. "No!" Fearfully, panic coursing through his cholesterol-clogged veins, he backed away from the window. "They've foiled my evil plans yet again! Damn them! Damn them all to hell!" Wide-eyed, almost delirious with terror, Blurmpff scooped up several tubs of ice cream from his desk and trotted as fast as his stubby legs could take him out of his office and up to the roof's helipad. As he started up his customised SS-black chopper and began to speed away through the neon-lit skies, Blurmpff gazed down at the city, a scowl twisting his already hideous features into a gross, distorted caricature. "Curse you, Resistance!" he howled at the figures on the street below, who were now bravely giving the finger to his fleeing helicopter. "You may have won this round, but I'll be back! NOBODY gets the best of Blurnald Blurmpff!"
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u/Asgard_Thunder Aug 16 '17 edited Aug 16 '17
the border is making me angry. Why is it all so skewered and the framing all crooked? wait is this a subtle hint at your audience that you don't care about borders?
oh sneaky.
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u/Sketchy_Uncle Aug 16 '17
Stupid thing to be picky about, but those aircraft are very European in design (viggen or eurofighter).
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u/Cuisinart_Killa Aug 16 '17
Oooh ooh let's roll out the "trump = bad" boogieman again. How original.
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u/Littlemightyrabbit Aug 16 '17
Seeing as how you're totally free to fearlessly post this, and that this entire website is seemingly in agreement with whatever it is you're thinking, I'd say you need to reread the book.
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Great work! You are the designer. You already know what you want to fix on your next design. No need to nitpick. Anyone that has any kind of serious interest in design knows that a piece is never really done, not in the mind of the designer. You just have to decide to stop at some point and move on. Bravo on creating a very eye-catching piece.
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u/just_a_thought4U Aug 16 '17
Holy shit! Have you been listening to the left for the last 5 years? They're writing the book on this practice.
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u/ah3lm626 Aug 16 '17
Design is great, this sub fucking sucks.
I'm starting to think most of the people who comment here don't even work in design. Most comments now arnt even about design and if they are they're about stupid details or are just flat out wrong about the principles of design.
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u/RandomSasquatch Aug 16 '17
Lmao. What a joke. You people actually believe he is the devil himself.
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u/ThinkBiscuit Aug 16 '17
Particularly loving the little ignorance is strength '$' logo. Lovely touch.
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If you honestly think Trump is bringing forth 1984 level of control, you are retarded.
This would mean calling Trump stupid would put you in prison.
Calling for Trump's impeachment would put you in prison.
Saying Trump colluded with Russia would put you in prison.
Anything Anti-Trump or Anti-Administration would just result in you going to prison.
Yet, none of that happens. Everyone on reddit/Twitter/Facebook/irl/etc can say whatever they want about Trump and freely express their opinions.
Trump isn't a fascist. Trump isn't a dictator.
Trump is the President of the United States.
The only side that actually wanted to change history was the Dems. They even created a fucking organization called "Correct The Record"... its in the fucking name.
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u/touristtownwasteland Aug 16 '17
If you want proof that the alt right scumbags have infiltrated every aspect of this website here's a prime example. This is a beautifully executed piece for one thing and for another designers are typically pretty liberal and not advocating for nazis etc. Fuck those assholes. Fight fascism with design. Make your work mean something. You do you OP. Real designers out here still ✌🏻
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u/Zyvron Aug 16 '17
FUCKING THANK YOU. I felt like I was going crazy reading the comments here.
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u/touristtownwasteland Aug 16 '17
Don't listen to these nerds. You're not crazy dude 👍🏻 stay strong fight that good fight
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u/touristtownwasteland Aug 16 '17
A- your caps lock is broken B- stop making fun of people with autism C- if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck 🦆
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u/Gingevere Aug 16 '17
Woah woah woah woah. What does The Price is Right have to do with any of this?
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u/JobDestroyer Aug 16 '17
Where was this when Obama was bombing the shit out of period in the middle east?
Either way, glad to see the anti-war left has woken up from hibernation.
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u/Cyrado Aug 17 '17
The radical left objectively resembles The Party more than anything Trump's done. Don't get me wrong he's incompetent but I think the wrong parallels are being drawn here.
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u/smileywaters Aug 16 '17
rule #8
the fact that you dont support the president doesnt mean this is a bad design. doesnt mean its good either
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u/cosmowifi Aug 16 '17
White guy kills white woman + democrat logic = Trump and his supporters are all racists. Rofl
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u/IFARTONBABIES Aug 16 '17
What about freedom of speech? Or how about the freedom to own weapons? Or the freedom to run your own business however you choose to? Do you like those freedoms?
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u/echino_derm Aug 16 '17
You mean the freedoms we have had and the freedom to restrict other people's freedom?
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u/ArmoredKappa Aug 16 '17
Oh look, ANOTHER cuck subreddit to filter
Also if you want to compare 1984 to present day, the last two presidents are who you should be complaining about. One with the "PATRIOT" act and the other who tried to kill the man who whistleblew the NSA far, FAR overstepping its bounds laid out in the PATRIOT act.
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u/echino_derm Aug 16 '17
I would say the guy who yells fake news at every news outlet that doesn't support is the one who fits his a bit better. He habitually lies about his numbers and he is establishing his own "news source" through twitter. Basically he is telling everyone all news is fake and biased except news coming straight from me which is true
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u/ArmoredKappa Aug 16 '17
TIL having an opinion about news outlets is worse than invading the privacy and ignoring the rights of literally the entire population
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u/echino_derm Aug 16 '17
It is more dictatorial to try to undermine any news outlet you don't personally own
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Aug 16 '17
This got brigaded to hell by Trump supporters.
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u/GNAWLINGTONG Aug 16 '17
I think everyone is sick of seeing politics in every sub, I just want to see cool designs, not edgy propaganda pieces.
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TRUMP SUPPORTERS AREN'T ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF r/the_donald! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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u/pipsohip Industrial Designer Aug 16 '17
Critical of the overblown anti-Trump circlejerk≠Trump supporters.
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u/Nilmag Aug 16 '17
This is the sort of shit that's created when someone is butt-hurt that their neighbour voted for the demagogue.
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u/touristtownwasteland Aug 16 '17
This is the type of comment from someone who can only tear down and never build up.
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u/RogueShillBot9000 Aug 16 '17
Both 'sides' are like this. Always pause and double check to see if you are hypnotized by propaganda. Do not assume everything you think is right. Use your ability to think, analyze. Presidents come and go, what is it that continues and remains the same? Why do people's lives not get better even when we have who we want in office? Why hasn't it made any difference who's in office? Trump is the problem? Obama is the problem? No. They are transient figure heads. What is so entrenched in the background that things don't change? Now you are getting closer. Contemplate.
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u/ohmybasedgod Aug 16 '17
Seems like the fitting solution to all of those questions is "be aware and get involved locally".
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u/Saint947 Aug 16 '17
Oh Jesus Christ, this picture just earned a filter for the entire subreddit.
This is such low effort left-wing wankery.
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u/PhillyNekim Aug 16 '17
Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.
Pretty sure it's the left / democrats destroying and rewriting history not Trump.
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I like the design, though it seems a little cluttered. Don't be afraid to use blank space.
That being said, the political stuff on this sub is getting kinda annoying.
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u/lecherous-hump Aug 16 '17
I'm surprised this is upvoted. r/art is infested with Nazi sympathizers Trump supporters. Although I guess design is really a different topic than art.
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u/BestGetOutOfMoyWay Aug 16 '17
but democrats coined "hate speech," you may want to reread 1984 bub
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u/Turmoil_Engage Aug 16 '17
I'll be honest there is a point of contention in this piece that does bug me. Trump isn't really trying to police our language or keep us in line like the Ministry of Truth did in '1984'.
I understand the desired effect of the design, but I feel it is partially misrepresentative of the government in the novel.
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u/startingapodcastsoon Aug 16 '17
It looks great. The people saying whatever about the lines are jealous or Trump supporters. Keep up the great work!
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u/axehomeless Aug 16 '17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKZCf4vPBQ
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This is funny I mentioned to my parents about reading 1984 and explaining the main point and immediately hit me with "sounds like what the democrats are doing " 🙄🙄
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u/Feisar7 Aug 16 '17
When I saw posters like this from 50's etc, I thought, damn people hating their president so much. Must have been hard times. Now it's happening right now...
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And now my graduating class is triggered because it is a 1984 reference and they all hated it
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u/Tuskus Aug 16 '17
Isn't that what Satsuki said all the time in Kill La Kill? War is peace, slavery is freedom, bad stuff is good stuff?
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u/Zyvron Aug 16 '17
I had no idea /r/design was so right-wing. Apparently, it's news to people that art and politics have a long history together. I had hoped this subreddit would be a little bit less ignorant.
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u/touristtownwasteland Aug 16 '17
Right on dude I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Divide and conquer is their strategy. They hate we went to art school and have some kind of higher calling. All they want to do is destroy and all we want to do is create and they hate that more than anything.
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u/MrShlash Aug 16 '17
The funny thing is, the ingsoc correlates more with what left wing activists trying to shut people up and censor them.
DISCLAIMER I am not American, nor am I right or left wing.
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u/libcrypto Aug 16 '17
Interesting design, but you have some serious perspective issues there.