Okay. Downvote me if you want, but this is my honest opinion and this is going to be one hell of a rant.

I am normally one of the first people to defend CLG when something goes wrong in a game or when they lose to a team because of something small or they get outplayed.

But I have absolutely no words for how fucking atrocious they played this weekend.

The baron call today was the single most stomach churning thing I have ever seen them do. It was the absolute worst fucking call. I was honestly sure that they were going to lose right there. It was a fucking horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE call that they honestly had no reason of doing. They were ahead in gold and in towers, and they decide to go for a 20 minute Baron that they didn't need.

But that's not a big reason of why I'm disgusted with their play. A large part of it is how they play their laning. I am getting sick and tired of how many resources they put into Doublelift and Aphromoo. I am getting sick and tired of Dexter just leaving Link and Seraph to fend for themselves while CLG hopes Double and Aphro can trash the enemy bot lane when they have two perfectly capable solo laners that are good enough to carry. The sheer fact that Seraph was able to bring Ackerman down to one hit when Ackerman was TWO levels above Seraph and a whole item ahead of Seraph is astonishing. Seraph was up 10-15 CS the entire game up until where he was ganked by XWX.

You know what really pisses me off about it though? Not ONCE did Dexter go anywhere NEAR top lane while Seraph was ahead. Not once while the waves were directly in the middle or while Ackerman was slightly pushed did Dexter even attempt to gank top lane. The only time Dexter went mid was when LMQ had attempted to push it in. Instead, he decided to invest two ultis into two failed ganks bottom. People will trash on Link for a couple of bad Ori ults. People will trash on Seraph for "Underperforming". But do you really know what the difference was between Zion's Nidalee and Seraph's Nidalee today? The difference was that Crumbzz and DIG actually give a damn about their top laner. They actually attempt to get Zion rolling. Dexter and CLG could give a shit less about how fed Seraph is. They don't want him to carry. They just want to make sure Double gets fed. That kind of play is what's going to cost them a trip to worlds.

If, and that is a big fucking IF CLG gets to worlds, they aren't going to get very fucking far into the tournament. I honestly don't think CLG will make it to Worlds if they don't learn that they have two perfectly carry capable solo laners on their team that they can invest some jungler time into. If they keep focusing on bot lane and keep not allowing Seraph to make a noticeable impact on the game, they're going to just keep getting trashed by LMQ and eventually other teams.

/Rantover

Part of being a mature adult is being able to make mature decisions regarding what you believe is in your best interest. As team captain, it is in your best interest to do what you think is in the best interest for you team. Everyone can say what they want on the internet. It's not easy coming to conclusions like that. Most people (me included) have probably had to come to a similar conclusion in completely different context and situations. It's the mark of a mature individual who can make the realization and act on it. In the long run its not worth trying to compromise with yourself over thoughts and feelings you might have. Keep doing what you do, you got this far and you'll at the very least have a fan in me moving forward.

What ever decision you decide to make about staying with the team or not, I'll enjoy watching your career. First and foremost, I will always be a CLG fan though. It's been great to watch players of your caliber and even Doublelift's caliber play for the team. Take care man.

So with the rumor floating around that Turtle is trying out for the adc position, I for one, would completely welcome him into CLG. I know a lot of you guys don't think of him as a top tier adc anymore but I disagree. Regardless of how much greater Doublelift may or may not be than WildTurtle, the fact remains that for the last 3 years, WildTurtle has been part of the best team in NA, TSM, not counting this year of course. He has held his own against other amazing adc's like Doublelift, Piglet, and even a few high end Korean adc's. Of course, this year was definitely his worst performance but regardless he still made it to worlds for the third time in a row, compared to Doublelift's first. And yes some of you will argue that it was his teammates that did all the work but no that is not true, this is a team based game and in the professional scene, everyone puts in their fair share of work. Of course the argument is that TSM has been trying to get rid of him but lets look at the facts about TSM and Wildturtle. Reginald is a huge a-hole. We've all seen the videos of him bashing WildTurtle. If TSM isn't winning, there is just straight up rage. TSM tries to bench him during the spring LCS only to put him back. More recently, TSM holds tryouts for another ADC. But Doublelift gets it in less than a day after he was kicked yet they keep WildTurtle as a sub. This probably means that WildTurtle once again proved he was the best during tryouts, but Reginald out of sheer luck picks up DL on the spot probably without even testing him to the same extant as WildTurtle. So of course WildTurtle would tryout for another team needing an ADC which of course is US! Turtle is constantly proving he is an amazing player to pick up. But what I really like about him is his personality. He is a really sweet guy. He has a great team attitude which is something that Doublelift never really had to begin with. Combine that with a team comprised of Huhi, Afro, Zion, and Xmithie, and I think WildTurtle can really shine here. Of course, we won't know if any of this is true because its all speculation until someone announces something.

tl:tr Even though I will miss CLG_Doublelift, I will welcome CLG_WildTurtle because of his great gameplay, and even greater personality. So if he does come to our side, I ask that you guys do the same. Plus wouldn't it be amazing to beat TSM once more using an ADC coming from their roster?

[edit] Because a lot of you keep saying this is a downgrade, keep in mind, DoubleLift and WildTurtles statistics for the Spring, and Summer LCS were almost equal across the board including farm and GPM.

This Summer WAS his worst split. Your all right. But then lets take a look at his skills all last year when we TSM wasn't putting him on Kog-Maw to back up Bjerg every game. http://www.ongamers.com/articles/na-lcs-stats-leaders-for-spring-2014-regular-season-playoffs-and-relegations/1100-1308/

Here we are, thanks to two weeks where we didn't look horrible again now half of the fanbase is yet to the:

"if all stars align, CLG is a good team".

Guess what we should be a good team even when stars do not align, but no, let's keep this inconsistent roster with very mediocre players like Huhi.

This team/management doesn't have the money nor the ambition to do well anymore, and we'll be stuck with the same 5 guys who have given us nothing but delusions 2 years straight now.

We'll be stuck with those fuckin Huhi Ori ults or his pathetic Corki 1v2s or him losing Cassio vs Vlad, one game as Cassio and the next one as Vlad.

But the worst part, is that still large part of this sub is so delusional to think we have a decent team.

TSM has a monster team, the other teams that made it to playoffs are decent, we suck.

But the even worse part will be that after 2 weeks in summer where we will suck dicks again, all of you will be "replace players, replace coaching staff".

But since you were given 2 weeks where we barely looked LCS material out of 4 splits of disappointment, you're back at riding this crap roster again.

First of all, I stick by my idea that this sub should never congratulate TSM for a win and this happening just shows how part of the CLG fanbase isn't really supporting the team but rather riding the bandwagon. I see people posting here that do nothing but criticize the team for the most stupid of reasons but when TSM wins something, they go ahead and make a post about our rival team.

I did not report the post because it wasn't really offensive or broke any of the rules. You could argue that TSM winning is good for NA but not all of CLG fans are from NA and could care less about your "american pride" or whatever fills your ego. I just want to see CLG do well, I don't care about TSM and I was rooting for WE becauese they were the true underdogs.

Also, what's up with the banner? It's already been a month since we lost to TSM in the LCS so there's no need for that banner anymore. I'm just posting this here because I feel that this community, aside from the obvious TSM lurkers around here( Yea I know you like our sub) fails to support CLG sometimes and is rather harsh when our team loses but has no problem giving praise to TSM even though they didn't really show anything new.

edit: I also don't recall CLG( the organization) giving congratulations to TSM or any other organization for that matter.

edit2: People seem to forget how in, the recent past, Regi and Loco acted towards CLG and those involved with CLG at the time( mostly Montecristo).

EDIT 3: Well clearly I'm not the only one who feels this way even though some have different opinions and that's totally fine. Discussion is healthy

EDIT 4: After hours of discussion I can now express my final opinion on this matter. This sub should not promote other team's victories or defeats but everyone is free to post whatever since there are no rules to enforce any of that. I posted this because after reading the thread that congratulates TSM on the IEM victory, I saw many comments bashing CLG from TSM fans and that kinda pissed me off. I wasn't trying to promote hate on TSM( altough I do dislike many of the members). I do not follow that "my region is better than yours narrative" but this is my opinion.

Anyway I apologize if I offended anyone

Management is stubborn with change as we had the same terrible roster for 2 straight splits. Huhi hasn't performed whatsoever since last year and doesn't have the mechanics to perform against so many top-tier mids. I love Huhi and his streams are funny but he has been given so many chances and has looked close to elite in only 1 split in all of his time on NA. Management if you read this, please try to get POE or Febiven or someone who can actually carry games. I'm tired of seeing Stixxay get ahead in cs and kills and not have someone else dominate like him so management please don't be stubborn about making changes again or else we will fail once again.

Edit: Huhi's only stand out split was during a time when there wasn't much competition in mid lane. Mid lane is so much stacked now then it has ever been before so it's clear that Huhi saw a start decline in play.

Backstory: Alex Penn, the ex-analyst for Coast, was leaving LA to move back to Texas. To send him off, a party was organized and held Friday night into Saturday. (https://twitter.com/alexpenn/status/501545040343089152, https://twitter.com/alexpenn/status/503253897972965376)

Publically, Dexter made comments about seriously practicing and also not attending.

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However, he actually was in attendance. He avoided group photos to not appear in social media. In order to avoid these posts being deleted, I've screenshotted and uploaded them to imgur.

A few days ago, this appeared on Twitter:

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The link to the photo leads to this:

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Dexter is clearly visible on the left side of the photo.

As secondary proof, Daydreamin--the previous support from Coast--was also in attendance.

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He is visible in both photos.

Daydreamin posted a comment directed to Dexter, confirming that he spoke to him in person at the party.

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Dexter's motivation has been called into question before. It came back into question after the matches themselves, when he commented that he was relieved after the defeat rather than feeling disappointed, where many people commented that this wasn't the attitude of someone who still wanted to win.

As a fan of CLG, seeing that he attended a party the night before the games is hugely disappointing. It's understandable that players want to have lives. However, this isn't the time to go out. Drinking and lack of sleep effect reaction time, fine motor skills, and decision making. While this isn't the sole reason for the loss, this certainly didn't help and it's a slap in the face to fans who supported CLG, thinking that the team did everything in its power to win.

For anyone who isn't convinved or doesn't think this is a problem, I have one question:

Do you think any member of Curse went out to party the night before the playoffs for World's?

As for the CLG organization, I have questions there too. Did management know about this? If so, was this accepted by Kelby, Matt and/or George? If not, why did no one know? Do the other members of CLG know about this? This isn't just your job--it's 4 people who depend on you to be at your best.

As a fan, this makes it very hard to support CLG when even the players don't take the game seriously. I'll continue to support the organization for Doublelift and Aphromoo in the upcoming games, but I'm unsure if I see myself supporting the organization in the future.

We aren't TSM or TL. We don't need to hate other teams. We've been through the worst of it and we just won a split. That says it all. Trash talk and have fun, but lets not make a bunch of posts about 'FUCKIN HATE TL". Who cares if Dom says our jungler sucked? We are better than them and we can be the better fans. Lets not act like them.

Edit: apparently you're all emotional kids with pent-up anger from never going outside and have never heard of good sportsmanship.

Edit 2: Holy crap. Get some class /r/CLG

Despite missing the playoffs for the first time in the organization's history, the two imports have seemingly very little drive to improve over the off season. I find this lack of motivation quite alarming considering if this team is to make it to worlds this year, they basically need to win the split or make it through the gauntlet (which they have to first qualify for).

I think that taking time off in between seasons makes sense, but in the position this team is in right now I think it's a pretty weak showing from two players who had pretty bad splits and who both can't play meta picks yet.

If the team isn't going to upgrade the roster, and our two import players aren't even practicing, how is this team going to jump from 7th to 1st?

What are everyone's thoughts on this?

At this point even though the game hasn't ended, it'll pretty much take a miracle for WE to comeback. Grats to TSM winning an international tournament with a Korean team in it. Really shows how strong of a team they are and how much NA has improved. Next week CLG plays TSM, if we manage to beat them, we can have hope that CLG could perform well internationally as well!

It's not productive at all, and just leads to "BENCH THIS PLAYER OR HOTSHIT IS DUMB" comments. There's not really any meaningful discussion happening and these posts just make the sub look like garbage.

Just hearing doublelift and regi talk about the situation made me realize how much I hate TSM. Also everything that CLG did for doublelift and he just threw the CLG jersey in the trash tick me off a little.

sad to say people called me delusional. special fuck you to those guys

im here again to say we will 3-0 TSM because they will always be freesm, we will demolish them in 25min each game.

we will hoist the trophy, make regi cry

again.

we will win purely because we are better. darshan will make hauntzer feel like hes back on GV

bjergsen will get shit on by huhi so bad that he will wish he could still use his wrists as an excuse

xmithie will make sven wish he was back in EU

doublelift will wish he retired instead of joining Freesm

yellowstar will wish it was 2014 when he was still relevant and good.

stixxay will use his big stick to dominate botlane

C L G W I N

come at me freesm fans who stalk this subreddit and downvote because youre insecure and pathetic

I'm not whining or anything like that; I want to see some genuine opinions on the state of CLG and their fanbase. Particularly the league side of things (CS:GO/Halo has been good to us, same with smash (I've actually personally met PPU at several tournaments way before he was with CLG, he's a pretty cool dude). Every member of CLG reads this subreddit, some may avoid it at times but they definitely visit and go through the threads from time to time.

Now this sub can get pretty toxic sometimes, there's a lot of broken hearts and crushed dreams so I can understand why at times players are quick to anger due to a lot of frustration sitting under the surface. The struggle of wanting your favorite team to just succeed but despite that does CLG realize it has one of the most dedicated fanbases in all of e-sports? We are literally the butt of every joke across reddit. No thread is safe, literally. The amount of times I've been getting rekt while browsing this website is just ridiculous.

Split after split after split we see the same result, it's almost comical. You could grab CLG's W/L in the last 3 splits and they would look alarmingly similar; feed off low-tier teams, stay top 3 for half to 3/4 of a split, start losing like crazy, get 3-0'd in playoffs by Xpecial. I have a theory that the reason why CLG looks so good to start with is our LCS schedule, a lot of our easy matches tend to be in the first half of the season. It also helps that we start off right in the meta bu as it develops we fall off. So as the season progresses our weaknesses get exposed and the team isn't adapting fast enough and the rest is history. Every split there's a scapegoat; right now it's Zikz/Xmithie. I don't think it's fair to blame these players for a trend that has lasted multiple splits but I can understand where the anger and frustration is coming from. There are so many questions to ask and so few answers.

This brings me to my main point; CLG completely leaves us in the dark about anything league related. One minor blog every few months isn't going to cut it. They've been selling themselves as a top-tier team without doing anything that current top tier teams are doing. Fan interaction is at an all time low. House tour promised back in what? October? November 2014? How hard is it to call up travis or get a hand camera and follow Darshan or Peter throughout the house while they entertain us? Meanwhile TSM/TL/Fnatic have a weekly video series that keep the fans updated. There's information and transparency that allows the fanbase not to jump to conclusions and stay on the same page as the team.

What do we get? Defensive and passive aggressive remarks on the occasional thread. The entire community had to put an incredible amount of pressure on Hotshot just so he could drop the dankest meme of 2015. Their interactions with us are all reactionary, only coming out to defend themselves or say:

You don't know what's going on behind the scenes

One of the only AMA's we've ever had was from Dexter back in spring split S4. We've been called cancer by several members of the team, zikz took to twitter at one point and shit on the entire subreddit. The majority of the interactions between current CLG and the fanbase itself has been negative. There are die-hards in here that'll defend CLG even during a 0-18 auto-relegation split but you guys (CLG) choose to focus on the trolls and the super upset fans and shun us. We've got nothing to go on; to me it feels like CLG doesn't even give a shit about us. Like if we all left tomorrow they wouldn't care. Where is the love?

tl;dr: I legitimately believe CLG has disdain for it's own fanbase. They neglect us, show no love, make no effort to interact with us whatsoever, leave us hanging constantly, don't even deliver on non-league related promises (HOUSE TOUR 2014). Their only interaction with us is to defend themselves. No communication, no interactions, just left out here with nothing.

Edit/tl;dr2: One thing to consider; the only time they seem to respond to us is when we're overly negative/critical/etc. Think about what kind of message that sends the average fan.

It's making liquid and reginald look really bad, i'm just happy hotshot has opted to stay out of this

I've been reading upvoted comments bashing on aphro for his "personal unfunny" comments in Springs' finals, praising doublelift for "carrying" us into worlds and laughing at his hilarious post match interview!

I've been seeing honest CLG fans' comments with -30 points (on a sub that has downvotes disabled for crying out loud) because they dare opose the notion that CLG owes its entire existence to Doublelift.

I hate DoubleLift, but not for leaving CLG, but because of what it did to this community. I preffered comming over here when this sub was a cesspool of negativity and shitposts. Rather than half-assed CLG fandom and DoubleLift admiration it has become.

Not sure if its TSM fans coming over here or the fact that CLG is going through a rough patch but this sub has become frankly pathetic. I refuse to believe I'm the only one who noticed.

[Edit]

Woke up to find this thread had inspired some discussion. I'm glad some of you agree with me.

Getting called a "butthurt kid" for respectfully raising these issues is always hilarious, you guys missed the whole point.

I thought the whole purpose of a team's sub was to cheer for said team, to build comradership, to find like minded people and discuss games with CLG's best interest in mind. Can you imagine /r/chelseafc's sub developing an admiration for Rooney? Chelsea fans downvoting other fans for dissing on their rivals' players?

I choose to believe TSM fans have highjacked this sub before accepting that the core of this fandom has lost its passion.

Title is self explanatory.

I understand the fact that team enviroment, attitude, ecc, are very important and were crucial to our team's success last split but let's look at the facts:

-1) Last season we 3-0d both semis and finals. This season we got first place with huge assistance by our own enemies.

-2) We showed definitely a decent performance at MSI. But we much overpraised ourselfs. Let's be real again. RNG's ADC went full retard against CLG and threw them a game. As far as our only SKT win goes, it really feels more like a bad throw from SKT as well. Also, we can't only cherrypick our wins to overpraise ourself. We are also the only team to have lost to a wildcard. As far as FW go we seem to be their cryptonite like FW is SKT's one.

-3) Huhi is a mechanically weak player. LoL has evolved in time. In season 1-2 you just needed to be proficient on a couple of champions to always have something to be reliable on. That's not the case anymore, even legendary skilled players have to give up their signature champions to play simply what's strong. You don't have much time to adapt but you have to. Huhi seems totally incapable of showing strenght with any champion but Ryze. He had also some good games with Ekko (Ekko was our only strenght and threat against SKT at MSI finals, and in game 2 they showed him but annihilating him with exhausts every single time) but that's not nearly enough.

-4) Please drop that "we can't be negative we must be positive attitude". Criticizing our games and players doesn't make any less supportive. Just quit that bullshit. Anybody following normal sports knows that sometimes players are just not good and hopes for roster changes, drafts, buyouts of better players. We are CLG fans guys, we've been here with totally different rosters, we care for CLG to win, we may like or dislike players but if you are a CLG fan you want CLG to succeed, not Huhi, Doublelift or Saintvicious.

-5) Players don't become magically good suddenly. They have to be already extremely good before joining a pro team. Huhi is often unwatchable even in soloq, anybody following his stream knows that. I can't think of one rookie that came in as a weak player mechanically, who couldn't show strong farming or strong teamfighting and then later became a god.

-6) Our weakness in midlane resonates in other lanes. Either we assist Huhi so he doesn't fall behind (like vs APX) and have to play around that while risking something in other lanes or we hope Huhi doesn't get abused so we can set up Darshan or botlane to succeed. Either way we have a weakness that can always gets exploited. What bugs me more tho, is that even when Huhi doesn't do poorly he'll make so many questionable plays and horrible mechanical plays to throw what he accomplished in the minutes before. Terrible TPs? Check. Fail ults and plays that punish us while enemy collapse on us in other lanes? Check.

Yellowpete came into the scene as a low impact ad carry with mediocre mechanics. 3 years of pro play didn't make him a mechanical beast. We waited 2 years for jiji to become good in lane again, did he became it? Nope. How long did we wait for Link to fix his weakness? Fnatic kept their dead weight Shushei for one year when it was pretty obvious he wasn't pro material unless he played few op champs. How did it go for them?

Look at TSM, they built a team around mechanically strong players, yes, all of them had various issues, I believe their coaching staff is (was atleast) very weak and they had internal issues. Yet, with all of these problems, weak drafting they still were one teamfight ahead to send us back home.

I will keep supporting and cheering Huhi for as long as he's a CLG player. But please, stop saying that if I want somebody good at his place then I'm less of a fan.

TL;DR: Our successes in spring, boosted by great drafting, macro, teamplay and questionable plays by our enemies in crucial games hid our weakness that is now being overexposed. Huhi is a huge liability and even if I never liked Pobelter as a player (have still nightmares about his Azir and Ezreal) fact is that we got a huge downgrade which is being abused over and over.

edit: Ill add some stats.

NA LCS Spring Split 2016:

KDA (4.2), 3rd lowest in his role; Kill Participation 72 % (3rd lowest); CSPM 8.2, last in his role; DPM 596 (5th rank); DMG% (31.2%) (4th); gold% 22.9 %, lowest in the league (he's a low econ midlaner, he shares the last spot with Pobelter tho who had the highest kda and dpm tho..).

NA LCS Playoffs Spring 2016:

KDA 3.6 (3rd), KP 73.6 % (3rd), CSPM 8.0 (5th/6), DPM 429 (5th/6), DMG% 22.3 % (last), gold% 22.3

MSI:

KDA 2.8 (last of playoffs), KP 61.7 (last of playoffs), CSPM 8.1 (last of playoffs and groupstage), DPM 566 (last of playoffs), DMG % 27.9 (3rd/4), gold % 21.3 (last)

NA LCS Summer 2016 Regular:

KDA 2.7 (7th/10), KP 62.9 % (10/10, last), CSPM 8.4 (8-9th/10), DMG% 27.2 % (10/10, last), GOLD% 23.4% (3rd from last).

Conclusion from the stats:

Huhi's a low economy midlaner that differently from Pobelter or Link is not able to have good impact on games as a low econ midlaner.

Stats for Link's last split are here, and are quite impressive considering he had one of the lowest gold shares in the league:

http://oracleselixir.com/statistics/na/2015-na-lcs-spring-split-player-statistics/

this guy is straight up not LCS caliber. I can not believe hes the type of player CLG would want to be represented by. I had hopes for CLG but not if Thinkcard is the jungler.

It feels like it. We're the flavor of the month joke at /r/leagueoflegends. We're never good for the twitter analysts, no matter who/how we win. No thread is safe, no youtube video is free of harassment. Even our fans lack in faith. Even Monte seems to have grown completely biased against CLG. We degladiate here in order to bash our players and suggest our own preferences. It's always xmithie this, pobelter that. Always the choking thing, the Dlift toxicity, the zikz p/b. Our idols have become walking memes.

It's pretty much CLG vs everybody and everything this year. This year, I feel, more than ever.

And I must be the only one who feels we gonna win.

I fucking love seeing doublelift go 0/5/0.

Brings a smile to my face.

Long time CLG fan, since before LCS started...

I'm beginning to think that it cannot be possible that CLG doesn't go after free agents, and seems set to trot the same roster out years in a row. Starting to seem like, especially now, with a bigger financial backing that players just see CLG as a place where they don't want to play.

Are players seeing CLG as a weak team because of CLGs previous propensity for role swapping? Do they not see CLG as a team that has aspirations of becoming better than what they are now? Maybe, they see the team as a place where they might go and CLG won't utilize their talents, and rather force them to conform to how CLG plays instead?

Between the Done-zo manifesto, Doublelift trashing CLG after leaving, the blow up between Dexter and Seraph, supposed work ethic issues and motivation issues from former mid laners, and being what a lot of people would consider a grave yard for junglers and top laners (CLG is where you go as those positions to die) maybe it's all compounding. Let's also not forget CLG coming out saying they would not be interested in anyone who doesn't speak english fluently. That could rub a lot of free agents the wrong way. Now, it's not what they've said recently, but it is something that would still resonate today as disrespectful. And, that was based on an awkward situation with a remote coach who lobbied for said import player who needed to learn English, and CLG not wanting/not having the resources to pay Monte the money he would need to come over and coach full time.

So far we've heard rumors of Karsa, Xerxe, Maxlore and a huge contract set out to Aphro that he still wanted to test free agency. I would find it absolutely hard to believe that those three players are the ONLY players who CLG would have targeted.

Olleh is now signed, and so are quite a few other good free agents, mostly signed by Liquid ironically. So, CLG's backup plan if Aphro leaves is what? Joey? Fill? Clearly we know CLG's backup plan is Omar at jungle. There are still opportunities to sign big name, well proven players. Supposedly Peanut wants to play in the West. But, would CLG rule him out because he doesn't speak English? CLG could probably have gotten Haru from SSG who is best friend with HuHi, but is it back to the doesn't speak fluent English thing? Haru, understandably isn't as proven as Peanut, but CLG has a void for another carry, and Peanut could easily fill that role. Ironically, Haru and Peanut play the same style, Peanut just would be more expensive, and has a better track record.

I'm all for re-signing your own players, it speaks well about the organization in that they see the value of bringing up their own talent (Stixxay and HuHi and Omar) but, if Free Agents are refusing to come to CLG or CLG is refusing to look at certain free agents based on circumstances that other teams have overcome, then it'll continue to compound on the org making it hard for them to sign big name free agents in the future.

Also, am a Knicks fan, and Free Agents used to want to sign in NY because it was NY. Now, they don't want to sign in NY because the Knicks have been a joke for a few years running, and have shown they had some very awful management throughout the years. When I heard MSG picked up CLG I nearly cried.

What do you guys think? Do you think it's CLG not being able to acquire talent due to past mistakes, or CLG just flat out not wanting to take a shot on Free Agents who might not speak perfect English/just not wanting to take a shot on big names period?

P.S this isn't a bashing thread, so don't bash the team or the current players, just creating discussion that I think needs to be talked about. Regardless of who CLG trots out this year, we all will cheer for them, because let's face it, we all LOVE CLG, myself included and I would never switch teams. And, no matter what we support whoever is out there in our favorite teams uniforms. So please, please, do not say X player definitely needs to be replaced, or is a shitter, etc. This isn't the thread for that. And, try to keep bashing other peoples opinions to a minimum.

As a long time lurker on this sub and a long time fan of CLG. I seriously think that Riot is giving special advantages to TSM. Whether that is in the form of higher passive gold gain or a damage multiplier, I think it is clear that this is happening behind the scenes. CLG coming into this split was a top 2 team in the world and somehow they end up losing so many games in the first half? I get so mad thinking about how a shit team like TSM ended up on top THEY WEREN'T EVEN GOOD. They get a rookie support and somehow they can win so many games? Riot must be up to something. In addition to helping TSM, I believe Riot is on purposely handicapping CLG or somethin. Maybe they give CLG some extra lag. Also doesn't it seem weird in the last week of regular season our coach Zikz (who is one of the best coaches in the world, eg. 2015 summer win, 2016 spring, and MSI) is sick and has to stay home? The last week is arguably the most important since we need the momentum going into playoffs and TSM maybe paid Riot to force Zikz to stay home. Maybe I'm just frustrated but I think this is defiantly a possibility. What do you guys think?

new clg jungler's last name is PUCHERO

i say this because it is in my opinion the BEST name ever cos it is SO FUN to say

puchero, puchero, puchero, puchero, puchero...say it with me!! puchero!

i think this should be celebrated more cos new clg jungler not only can be good player but also his name can sound cool so even if clg does bad we can still say "well at least our jungler has name like 'puchero'!"