r/ABDL • u/[deleted] • Feb 12 '25
A trend worrying me in this community. NSFW
Please hear me out!
Since there was another post educating on kink rules today, I feel like this is fitting to post. I apologize to those of you who are exhausted from posts like this, but this is something I feel like I need to express to the wider community as a dedicated post and not a comment.
While I'm not going to publicly post links to comments that are examples of what I'm mentioning as I do not want to call out any individuals in particular, I will be specifically quoting some comments that currently have multiple positive upvotes to hopefully justify my worry to you.
So please, don't just automatically dismiss my post as being repetitive because I have sourced concerns that I feel need to be amplified.
I feel like this should go without saying, but kink art/fiction should never ever involve characters who are minors or that physically appear to be minors (adults being physically changed back to being a child, lolis, etc) in any way. It does not matter whether the story/art is intended to be sexual or not. It's still kink, and it's blatantly crossing the line of what's appropriate for kink. Kink is inherently 18+! Here's an example of quotes from some comments with multiple positive upvotes on posts about this exact topic (minors in ABDL related stories/art):
- "Words/lines on a page aren’t actually hurting anyone."
- "It’s totally fine if it’s not porn."
- "If it's not real, I don't think it's my business."
- "Just don't pay attention to it. Let the lolicon draw what they like. Not everything pleases everyone. That's okay."
I think the overwhelming majority of people in this community are very aware that minors don't belong in any kind of kink content, fictional or not. I hope that just as many are also aware of the flaw in the arguments above.
However, the attitude the community has taken towards posts calling out this behavior is also a problem to me. That last comment in particular comes from a post that was specifically calling out minors in ABDL content. We as a community need to be consistent and constant in denouncing behavior and arguments like this when we see it, not become indifferent or hostile to it because these call-outs are "repetitive." Otherwise it will slowly become more common to see arguments that push the boundaries on things like this, as more people decide not to call out the behavior, and those who do decide to call out the behavior are given mixed reactions.
Also, saying that minors have no place in any kind of kink-related art/fiction is not kink-policing. At the very least it's stating an obvious rule of all kinks ours included, and at most it's denouncing a literal crime.
To be clear with everyone here, ABDL does have a nonsexual side to it. It's still a kink. NONSEXUAL KINK IS STILL KINK! There's still a presence of kink dynamics, a vulnerable mindset that requires the adult ability to consent, etc. Even if your art/story is representing the nonsexual side of our kink, kink rules still apply. I say this to get ahead of the argument "but it's nonsexual" because it's still kink and 18+ regardless. I am also not talking about involuntary regression due to trauma, that is a different topic.
Again, I apologize for repeating something I know many see as obvious. Since I've been seeing these comments and arguments more often I feel the need to call them out to prevent these kinds of arguments from growing more widespread. I'm sure many are going to be annoyed (at the very least) with my post. Especially considering there was another post of a similar nature today, but hopefully you can understand my concern.
Edit: Am I the only one who finds it baffling that there's something to disagree with in here? If you are one of the people downvoting this I ask you to please write in the comments why, I'm genuinely curious what is controversial here.
Edit 2: I'm not gonna lie. The arguments here are flat out disturbing. I'm going to argue against specifically minors in fictional sexual content because a lot of people here supported that specifically.
Argument 1: "It's legal." This is true sometimes. USA: Yes. Canada: No. Australia: No. Mexico: No. The USA and many other countries have weak laws for protecting minors in fictional sexual content. Using that as a defense is weak in my opinion. YES, if a child appears in your story physically in any way, even if it's an adult transformed into a child, it would be illegal in those countries.
Argument 2: "How is it different than imagining yourself as a different age?" Because you are still fundamentally AN ADULT. ABDL. Adult Baby Diaper Lover. You fundamentally still have an adult's body, those attracted to you are seeing that adult body. You still fundamentally have an adult mind. Your adult mind made your consent decisions before a scene, you have your adult mind in the background to make consent decisions, and at least with voluntary regression like most ABDLs partake in, if something truly needed you to you could come out of your regressed state. Actually physically being a 2 year old and imagining yourself as a 2 year old are wildly different things.
Argument 3: "How is this different than someone imagining themselves to be a real dog?" It's not, imagining yourself and actually BEING is wildly different. Since I'm specifically arguing about sexual content right now, imagining yourself as a dog = fundamentally adult mind & body. Actually being a dog = animal body & adult mind. Getting off to animal body = bestiality. Getting off to adult pretending to be an animal = not bestiality. Why is this hard for people to comprehend?
Argument 4: "How is this different than being in a fursuit?" Same thing above, as a human in an anthropomorphic animal suit, you are not actually an animal. Fundamentally you are still both in a human adult body and in an adult mind.
Argument 5: "What about people who just LOOK like a child making content." Okay, do they have an adult mind, do they have an adult body even if it doesn't outwardly appear so? Then that's fine! "But they are 4'10" THEY AREN'T INFANT SIZED! 4'10" is still pretty tall compared to a lot of actual children. "But what if they were 4'1 or 3'1" THEY STILL ARE AN ADULT! Capable of making adult decisions in their adult body.
Also, do some of you just support AI cp then? "It's made without harming anyone and there aren't any real children involved." Would you support a realistic 3D scene being animated of cp? "They are victimless crimes." Do you realize how disgusting that is?
As for my other point of "minors in nonsexual fictional content." I never went as far to call that pedophilia. I've been very explicit in avoiding using that word. In nonsexual content I personally find that it breaks a rule of kink by involving non-adults (in mind and/or body) in something meant for adults. It's nowhere near as bad as minors in sexual fictional content though. At this point though I don't have the energy to argue about this one. I'm so much less worried about this than I am the defense of minors in sexual fictional content.