r/TheHub • • Sep 21 '11

Spotted at my local coffee shop:)

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r/TheHub • • Sep 01 '11

I chuckled.

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r/TheHub • • Sep 09 '11

Torchwood night! Torchwood night!

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r/TheHub • • Sep 10 '11

Look what you missed after the credits!

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r/TheHub • • Sep 09 '11

I suppose it's true.

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r/TheHub • • Aug 06 '11

Torchwood S04E05 Direct Download

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r/TheHub • • Sep 04 '11

Jack Wins!

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r/TheHub • • Sep 25 '11

I just realized that Torchwood: Miracle Day forever tainted my memories of this movie...

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r/TheHub • • Sep 19 '11

Adding this, Miracle Day would have become the greatest thing ever.

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r/TheHub • • Oct 06 '11

What you get when you cross Torchwood with Futurama

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r/TheHub • • Sep 10 '11

Took me a while but I finally finished my portrait drawing of Gwen. What do you think?

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r/TheHub • • Aug 20 '11

Torchwood.S04E07

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r/TheHub • • Jul 09 '11

Hipster Harkness (spoiler)

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r/TheHub • • Sep 16 '11

They must have just finished watching "Miracle Day"...

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r/TheHub • • Sep 14 '11

Capt. Jack Wants To Be Back For Doctor Who Anniversary

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r/TheHub • • Aug 13 '11

Torchwood S04E06 Direct Download

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r/TheHub • • Sep 14 '11

And you thought it was an anagram of "Doctor Who"

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r/TheHub • • Aug 05 '11

The best part of my commute.

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r/TheHub • • Oct 19 '11

Was anybody else really disappointed at the miracle day "series"?

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I miss the old series', I miss Ianto and Tosh and Owen and episodes like countryside, I miss it being a badass version of Doctor Who :( or is this me just complaining too much?


r/TheHub • • Jul 30 '11

Torchwood S04E01-S04E04 Direct Download

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r/TheHub • • Aug 08 '11

Starz, BBC Worldwide sign multi-year deal in wake of Torchwood success

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teeny lavish desert absorbed late plate memorize straight narrow stocking

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r/TheHub • • Jul 23 '11

Because this obviously belongs here, as well: The very, very best reason to work at a nerdcon.

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r/TheHub • • Oct 05 '11

If River met sassy gay Jack xpost from /r/doctorwho

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r/TheHub • • Sep 07 '11

Just noticed this on the back of my boss's car...

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r/TheHub • • Sep 04 '11

Am I the only one enjoying Miracle day?

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Edit: I just wanted to say that I'm quite happy to see lots of torchwood love in the comments. It definitely makes me feel better seeing as the average post lately has been complaints.

So here's the thing, I see a lot of complaining about this series. I can't explain how much I disagree. I look forward to the new episodes so much. I honestly tend to download them before I grab the DW episodes. So I'm going to do my best to explain why. One note beforehand, my main issue is that I worry the last episode will end too quickly and not give enough closure. Warning, there be slight SPOILERS ahead.

First off, the social commentary. The world took something that could've been amazing and squandered it. I understand vast conspiracy and the existence of puppetmasters blah blah blah. But that only goes so far. It only took a little fear mongering (as is often the norm in human history) to turn the world into monsters. It brings to mind FDR: "Only thing we have to fear, is fear itself!" There would be no end to what could be achieved with immortality. Who cares about hunger? We can't die from it... we need to find a better way to eat. Population? We need to build. We need to educate. Disease? See hunger.

Next, the emotions. From Gwen turning on Jack for her family. We all have our limits, and we got to see her's. The character development. Torchwood, since Children of Earth especially, has been about character development. It's less about what's happening and more about how the people respond to what's happening. Children of earth showed us that people aren't good or bad... they are what works best in the situation. This season is showing us that we are pushed by forces we never see to do things that we think we could never do. It reminds me of the Milgram Experiments.

Oswald Danes. And I think he ties into the previous section. The love hate relationship we have with celebrities. He is admired and despised. He can go out and have audiences cheering for him, but if he walks alone on the street the mobs will come out. And then in this latest episode... we see him as being tossed into the past... his 15 minutes over. He was a man who found himself the most powerful by uniting the weakest (the sick). This certainly seems to be exploitation and survivalism, but it is often how the desperate act. Not to mention, he is the definition of what we do to people in prison here. Prison is never about rehabilitation. It's about punishment. The idea that he could even try to be rehabilitated sickens people. He isn't allowed to be good again.

The entire economics off it. The talk of depression and resources. What do those things even mean when one can't die? Money only has the value we give it. Even when based off of some standard such as gold... it only works if we value gold. Everything has become that. We can suffer, and there are goods that can reduce this suffering. Prior to the blessing, money acted as this. Now it's all goods. Milton Friedman argued that the great depression occurred because the Fed didn't have enough money in circulation. Now, the depression is caused by a lack of goods. But it seems that only way we can think of dealing with this is through horrible acts. The main person who argued for a different path, Vera, was wiped clean from the show. It seems to be a statement that we would rather do the quick dirty fix, than the hard but so much more rewarding path to fixing our problems.

This is getting long, but I could go on if I felt like rewatching a bit. I just feel like people are missing the forest for the trees with this season. I understand that the actual explanations have been slow coming, but I think that was the point. This last episode said the blessing shows us to ourselves. I think the show is supposed to be doing that. It shows us that it only takes a moment from us being good normal people to being monsters. From the discussion Gwen and Rhys have about him driving the truck and them moving on, and the Public housing person ignoring his cruelty over efficiency, and to everyone just accepting the ovens.

TLDR: I think the issue is that the show is about humanity and people are only interested in the main characters. Am I wrong? Am I missing something that should make me not enjoy this show?