r/Python • u/upofadown • May 26 '14

Python 3 is killing Python

https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/
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u/jm_ May 26 '14

It's not like there are alternatives. Don't even mention Golang - it's a piece of dried up crap with arbitrary limitations (error handling from the 90ties, no ability to implement datastructures with native api, no operator overloading). Might as well use Pascal ...

It seems to me that just few bratty library developers (shamed by their users into fixing their shit to support Python 3) are the main detractors.

Now start downvoting ... cause we all love Armin and his unconstructive bitching.

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u/flying-sheep May 26 '14

armin has better points as this guy when he’ bitching. i still don’t agree at all with both, though. see here for my rebuttal.

and the only thing that completely turned me off of golang is the missing generics (your second point). i can’t even implement a tree, wtf.

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u/ggtsu_00 May 26 '14

I keep hearing so many complaints about generics in go, but interface{} types serve that need pretty well for most cases.

For a tree you could have:

type Node struct {
    Left *Node
    Right *Node
    Data interface{}
}

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u/flying-sheep May 26 '14

Type safety.

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u/ggtsu_00 May 26 '14 edited May 26 '14

What is unsafe about it? You you still need to have type assertions before you can actually use interface{} object as an actual data type and the type assertions give you the type safety. It is not any less safe than a python equivalent if that is where you are coming from.

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u/Categoria May 27 '14

Why have static types in a language where you need runtime checks to replace all but the simplest uses for a type system. Even java learned this lesson.

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u/ggtsu_00 May 27 '14

That is also why handling unstructured Json objects with in languages like Java is a huge pain.

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u/Categoria May 27 '14

Java is more verbose than necessary. For example in Scala there's https://github.com/mandubian/play-json-zipper this for example. But how is it more painful than Go? Json is a very simple type to represent, after all. Whatever Go has can be emulated by pre generics java. After all, their type systems would be equivalent modulo structural typing.