I'd say my example of this would be the "like a stray animal" part in you first, I find that part of the song to be repetitive and annoying and it breaks the entire tension of the song for me, stops it from being my favourite on TIW

Also For Hayley Williams I hate the entire second verse of good ol days, its just cringe from a woman pushing 40, sorry Hayley

Been a fan of Paramore since the came on the scene. Never been able to go to a show due to not being in a place financially to do so. Have literally been to a single concert period in my life, for any artist, because tickets were given to me. Finally took a shot for my favorite artist, and the experience has been the worst. My gf and I being in the 10s of thousands in queue for an Atlanta venue with less than 3k seats. Then appearing to get in for all 3 days in Nashville but any time we selected tickets, in the literal 2 seconds between the seat showing available and clicking checkout, they weren’t unavailable. On and on for almost 20 minutes, before being kicked out for being a bot. Guess I’ll just never see Hayley or Paramore live since I still won’t be able to afford resale prices, and I don’t see future concerts getting any cheaper

This is no hate to the band or anything but I think CCC should have been a demo. For me CCC sounds more rushed and unfinished than sanity. I do still think the song is okay but it makes me wonder why they put it on the album instead. Every time I listen to the album I always feel like CCC makes the flow a bit disjointed and I feel like sanity would've been a better fit. I wonder if it was due to a timing issue or something or maybe the band just liked CCC better

Does anybody else feel the same?

They’re very identical. The music and th vocals. You can mistake Renfue for Paramore that’s how similar they’re. But they’re very small but why?.

I was honestly a bit disappointed by the new track and I absolutely loved After Laughter so this isn't me saying this should've been some 2000's throwback. I don't know it just doesn't do it for me honestly. I hope some of the other new songs I am able to enjoy.

Does anyone else think the verses and pre-chorus (“to yourself...to yourself..”) are super weak lyrically and musically? I like the chorus and bridge, but the verses almost sound like a different song to me. I thought I’d give it a few weeks of re-listens to let it grow on me but sadly I’m just even more disappointed with it now, especially after some of my other favorite artists have been releasing new music this month that I find way more interesting.

In my opinion, This Is Why was a let down because the verses sound like stuff we’ve already heard from Paramore before, and the chorus, while catchy, isn’t strong enough to redeem it as an exciting way forward for Paramore. I’m really hoping the rest of the album proves me wrong.

Not bashing AT ALL just wondering if anyone else had similar thoughts.

Also, I’m thinking of the song in isolation, not with the music video which I think was visually entertaining.

i feel like such an ungrateful fan saying that but i’m torn between absolutely loving the album and feeling as though something’s missing or it’s not up to par. i feel like i was just expecting something a little different but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. i think the album gets exponentially better after big man little dignity but i also love the first few songs. it just feels like the vibe completely shifts after ccc. which again isn’t a bad thing, i think it’s one of their best albums and it is exactly what paramore is “supposed” to sound like, as if they’ve completely grown into their sound and they reached a point that feels authentically paramore. i also kind of feel like the news doesn’t fit with the rest of the album. lyrically it just seems very different from the rest of the album and at first it seemed like they were going for a political album? which isn’t a bad thing lol it just seems very very different from the rest of the songs imo and to be honest kind of seems white savior-y but i’m not going to go there lol i very much agree with the bands politics, it just seems kind of tone deaf in regards to the platform they have & whatnot. that being said i’m very excited to hear it live because musically it’s fantastic (i know nothing about music) and even if the lyrics are a little corny i still enjoy them somewhat. this turned into a very long rant but i feel horrible for being torn up about it when everyone else absolutely loves it. of course i love it but it’s just a little different than what i expected and i feel like i would absolutely get flamed on twitter for saying any of this

I know that the title has been said before, but I just realized a new reason for it.

If No Friend is indeed an outro for Idle Worship (which I think it is to a degree, but it's not solely an outro), then it's meant to continue the idea that you shouldn't be worshipping the band members. No Friend is supposed to make sure that happens. It has repetitive instrumental, Hayley isn't singing, it's spoken word, it's hard to hear the words, if you try to hear the words the music hurts your ears, and the words are hard to understand. What's to like about it? If you end up not liking it, that's fine, because you've at the very least now realized the band can have faults, bringing them down from that pedestal.

But if you still like it, but don't understand it, you're still just putting them on a pedestal. You're by default liking their music. But if you make an effort to understand the song, it's akin to making an effort to understand the band. They're both complex, and shouldn't just be accepted for what they appear to be. Most importantly, the lyrics are their thoughts, and by understanding the lyrics you can understand them, even if they didn't write the lyrics

Trying to understand No Friend prepares you to try to understand Tell Me How, the conclusion of the album, and therefore one of the more important, if not most important song. If you didn't try to understand No Friend, you're more likely to not try to understand Tell Me How, which makes it a mostly mediocre song (the first time I listened to AL, I liked No Friend but didn't try to understand it), which could make you realize more so that the band can have faults.

So in any case, Paramore gets taken down from that pedestal, or at least put onto a smaller one.

I love hayley shes my queen. But wasn't he convicted of some pretty hateful shit? And then he gets to do misery business w her and I just dont get why that slips under her radar when she's usually on top of stuff like that / speaks out against it pretty frequently- just asking

edit: this is just a joke guys😭😭

Like seriously?! It’s just tiresome hearing everyone rant about how this album or that album sucks. Paramore is my favorite band and a big reason is because there isn’t a single song/album by them that I don’t like. And I’m sure most of us feel that way since we’re all on this subreddit. Do I have a least favorite song/album by them? Absolutely! But I feel like there’s no reason expressing it when they’re all phenomenal. I’m okay with conflict and debate, but there’s enough negativity in the world could we please just appreciate Paramore for the awesome band that they are?!

I immediately thought of After Laughter when I was typing after. But can I just say After Laughter is an amazing album.

More like “why is this” am I right? Seriously though I appreciate that we got this, the people who enjoy it feel free to enjoy it. Nothing should stop you from enjoying whatever music you like. But to me this takes away like everything I liked about these songs. Sanity should’ve been on the main album though, blunder we don’t have that on the main record. And it will be the sole reason I get this album on physical media if that happens.

Hashtag Karen Williams

I believe that Brand New Eyes would be a perfect album without “The Only Exception”. I’ve never thought that it fit with the rest of the tracks, and it never fails to pull me out the vibe I’m in when I give the album another listen. Most people I talk to enjoy the song but agree it feels kind of out of place with the rest of the album, so I figured I would come here and see what all the fans on Reddit think about it.

Disclaimer: I have nothing against “The Only Exception” because I have some kind of fond memory of almost all Paramore songs, so everyone try to keep it civil 😂

On The Tortured Poets Department by Taylor Swift there is a song called "I Hate It Here" and after time stamp 0:59 she sings "here" and does something with her voice that reminds me of Hayley in a song. I thought it could be "I Hate To So Your Heart Break", but I don't think it is after listening to it.

Does anyone know what song it reminds me of?

Let me be the first to admit I understand if I get a crap ton of downvotes. I also have to preface this by saying that Hayley's one of the best performers of our generation and it was such a privilege to be among those first-timers at the show as someone who's been following them since "Pressure" came out when I was only 7! That said, does anybody else wish they had some other songs on the setlist? They played a lot from their most recent albums, and totally get why especially with This Is Why just dropping, but I really wish we either had time for more songs or replaced some with those from All We Know Is Falling, Riot!, and/or Brand New Eyes. Guess it's bc those are the albums that served as my therapy through puberty and all else that messed with my head growing up. Anyone agree or do I just need to be a good fan and wholeheartedly appreciate the setlist as is?

Final thought - My boyfriend downloaded several songs after hearing them live bc he was blown away by how amazing they sounded so mission accomplished there! Love Paramore and proud to have been a fan for the past 18 years!!!

We going fast in my cahhhh

I can never un-hear it

Anyone else bothered by the fact that Paramore has a climate change PSA playing before the show and stands at the venues for climate change while Hayley is working with Taylor swift who was one of the biggest contributors to co2 emissions last year with her jet? Music aside if you can take a stand against desantis why not your friends who are causing problems your advocating against.

So , I was reading the Farro brothers' exit statement last night, out of curiosity and it really grappled with my mind whether Hayley actually had something to do with it , as Josh stated. However the conclusion I came up with , including the statement made and taking into consideration some aspects of Hayley's character and behaviour didn't resonate with me.

( Disclaimer ; i am not here to criticse or take someone's place at someone else's expense. I love and support all the members equally)

First of all , I personally didn't like the fact that Hayley first mentioned the Farros exit rather than wait for the official statement by them , since that topic was clearly their business. But whatever, let's say she made a mistake or was frustrated by the situation.

So , Josh said that he had formed the early stages of Paramore with Zac and another member , Jason Clarke , for making music for "the love it". Then they needed a vocalist and this is when Zac met Hayley. Hayley had already a manager at the time and this is where the shitty stuff began.

To understand some reasons why the brothers probably left ( and Jeremy at some point , although i will talk about him at a different post ) , we need to understand how Record Labels and Companies work.

See , they view young stars like Hayley , as potential money machines . Hayley had the whole package for them ; a beautiful girl, with personality, a voice and really really flamming hot hair. The label and her manager thought that the best way to promote her, for the sake of their wellbeing , was to make her go solo , maybe something like Avril Lavigne or even Christina Aguilera. Hayley obviously didn't want to go solo, so insisted on taking the band with her , despite the Label not showing any interest on the whole "Paramore" thing. Perhaps Hayley even threatened to leave the contract if they didn't let the band with her , i really don't know what she had in mind. However she did form a band.

So now , I don't believe the Label let the band stay , because they thought they could actually contribute to anything. After all Josh mentioned that Paramore was more of a "manufactured product" than a "naturally formed band" and they even kicked out Jason and Taylor York because they thought "they weren't good enough". I think the Label made "Paramore" because it was the only way to keep Hayley under their contracts. And that shows it by only signing Hayley under Atlantic and Fuelled by Ramen and not each member individually. So I think it was reasonable for the members to feel a bit like tools or even "Hayley's employees" although back in the day I don't believe they could explain that feeling since they where teens and teens didn't know much about how stuff like this works compared to today's youngsters.( for example the 360 deal that was made just for them )

Even Josh mentioned that at some point they where waiting for Hayley and her manager at the hotel lobby to go record some music and Hayley was at the Label talking with Label executives. I don't believe she knew that the band was waiting for her or even if she knew she couldn't have done altered the situation to postpone the meeting.

So , I assume that the fights between the band and the whole unhappiness was mainly fueled by the Label executives' focus on their potential million dollar baby machine Hayley herself. Hayley couldn't have done anything , after all she was a 16 year old girl in front of millionaire men in their 50s and a Colossus Label . I believe her achieving to form a band in the first place was a huge step from her part and show how determined she was to be in the band.

But yes , the focus was on Hayley. It wasn't Hayley's fault , it wasn't anyone's at all. The Music Industry is just shit and they don't really care of letting teens down to make millions and billions.

Even if I was in Josh and Zac's shoes I would feel bad about myself, even a bit jealous.

It is sad , because watching videos from their documented tours of them being happy and not knowing what was going between them at that time shows , how little we know about the band , the music and the people in the industry generally.