r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jan 22 '18
Discussion | Esports Team Liquid vs Vega Squadron / ELEAGUE Major Boston 2018 - The New Legends: Round 4 / Post-Match Discussion
Team Liquid 0-1 Vega Squadron
Inferno: 12-16
Team Liquid have been eliminated.
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MAP: Inferno
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| TL | 4 | 8 | 12 |
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| Vega | 11 | 5 | 16 |
| TL | K | A | D | Rating |
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| Twistzz | 24 | 5 | 18 | 1.25 |
| EliGE | 21 | 5 | 17 | 1.04 |
| jdm64 | 19 | 5 | 18 | 1.03 |
| nitr0 | 13 | 7 | 19 | 0.83 |
| zews | 12 | 3 | 21 | 0.69 |
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| jR | 24 | 7 | 17 | 1.38 |
| keshandr | 22 | 7 | 16 | 1.32 |
| chopper | 22 | 7 | 17 | 1.30 |
| hutji | 13 | 9 | 21 | 0.93 |
| mir | 12 | 8 | 18 | 0.80 |
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u/Dedpool- NiP Jan 22 '18
"Vega can smell the bread dan, but they are not yet in the bakery"
God I fucking love Bardolph
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Jan 22 '18
“There’s plastic in the sea and they’re choking.” I’ll be honest, I liked the shark jokes.
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u/ajsadler Astralis Jan 22 '18
I was fond of the "Call the maid, fire up the incinerator, the sheets have been soiled"
Basically saying they shit the bed
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u/Grec2k Jan 22 '18 edited Jan 22 '18
Lmao I missed that....one of my favorites from a few matches ago was something like this: They don't just want the meat, the potatoes or the Veggies, they want the whole Banquet dan!
He is a Fucking Treasure!
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Jan 22 '18
That "Dan" at his end of each line is the cherry on top
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u/Grec2k Jan 22 '18
You know something is coming and even though you know you're still baffled on how the fuck he comes up with his stuff 😂
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u/turboheadcrab Jan 22 '18
I wish to become master of wordcraft, like JZFB.
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u/blessedjourney98 Jan 22 '18
And Sadokist!
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Jan 22 '18
Not on God Bardolph's level.
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Jan 22 '18
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u/damianolo Sprout Jan 23 '18
We have established that Bardolph is superior in the pair, so ddk should be known as white bardolph/james
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u/WritingWithSpears MOUZ Jan 22 '18
My favorite Bardolph moment
"There have no choice in this round, Dan! I've seen more choice in a North Korean election!"
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Jan 22 '18
He should have saved that for another time and used another shark/liquid line for this time. The matchup is just perfect for endless lines like that, no need to waste ones that can be used any time.
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Jan 22 '18
Damn, those eco losses hurt.
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u/Andoo Eternal Fire Jan 22 '18
That shit was hard to watch.
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u/gmwerk de_inferno Jan 22 '18
that round at top mid. Holy hell
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u/Andoo Eternal Fire Jan 22 '18
That's when not overanalyzing helps. Just go in and kill them and don't stall.
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u/Phillipiant_Turtle Jan 23 '18
Next to choking, Liquid's second secret power is losing to eco rounds
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u/FrostyFox24 Liquid Jan 22 '18
as a result of recent health issues, I will now be supporting the North American organization Cloud9
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Jan 22 '18
I spend probably half my CS time as a default C9 fan. Hopefully at the next tournament that will change looks at steel longingly through a window
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Jan 22 '18
I mean they did well with a standin that's a coach....... Gotta give credit where credit is due homie.
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u/Education_at_amity Jan 22 '18
fucking hell. liquid agianst pistols is horrible
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u/Castature Astralis Jan 22 '18
Not like astralis tho
Ha
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u/theoriginalsun Jan 22 '18
Good run for team liquid with zews standing in, not gonna lie. Looking forward to their full squad in future tournaments
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u/AlucardLoL Renegades Jan 22 '18
TL played super well for having a stand-in coach.
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Jan 22 '18
Having a real IGL does wonders.
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u/FullDerpHD FaZe Jan 23 '18
Pretty sure nitro still called for all/at least most of this event.
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Jan 23 '18
That’s what they said. Although Liquids midround calls have been looking a lot better in the major and the qualifiers, I’m pretty sure Zews has been contributing a lot.
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u/FullDerpHD FaZe Jan 23 '18
Maybe, Impossible to tell. They pretty much still looked like liquid to me but I'm sure you're not totally off base. He probably wasn't quiet that's for sure.
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u/HittingBangers Jan 23 '18
tbh, thought liquid was going to lose about half way through the match. Was a nice little comeback
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Jan 22 '18
that what we are saying since 2016..
I doubt they will ever live up to the hype
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u/antman2025 Liquid Jan 22 '18
They were the first NA team to make a finals. Now we don't have simple but im sure we can get pretty far if we dont have a stand in next major.
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u/farukosh Jan 22 '18
To be honest, that stand in is PRETTYYYY good at calling strats so maybe they'll get a better player, but a better igl? Not sure, at all.
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u/Oh_reaaaally Jan 23 '18
Honestly this whole "stand in" thing is annoying me in regards to Liquid. Zews knows them and their strats way better than steel and has been with them for a much longer time. Even before this major they barely played with steel so making it seem like zews is a crazy downgrade is just not a valid argument. I believe in this case he is better as an IGL and barely worse in terms of fragging. Steel is a decent igl and a subpar fragger at best.
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Jan 22 '18
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u/Kapeh G2 Jan 22 '18
I thought Stan wasnt even IGLing at the end and thats why they kicked him.
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Jan 22 '18
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u/JordanAllis Jan 23 '18
No remember when liquid went on that great run beating Astralis in a bo3 and beating sk in 2 bo3’s? That one month in the summer I believe they were playing amazing and nitr0 was calling the whole time. When stan was kicked nitr0 was the igl. I think a lot of the stuff stan said in the twitlonger was about the initial stages of him igl’ing, and that disagreement with zews led him to no longer be igl, and after that I guess they wanted to pick up a better player than Stan?
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u/c_Lassy The MongolZ Jan 22 '18
btw twistzz had to deal with this shit during the major https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensiveTrade/comments/7s0poz/discussion_resolved_the_recent_scam_situation/
Dont know if it affected his performance at all, probably not during this match, just a shitty situation to deal with during the most important tournament of your career
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u/Leelow45 Jan 22 '18
The first comment "Begone THOT - Twistzz lmao. but seriously that must have been weighing over him in those games
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u/hfourm Jan 22 '18
I can't believe people are fucking dumb enough to 'lend' skins anyways. Streamer or no.
People be fucking thirsty for attn
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u/GivePLZ-DoritosChip MIBR Jan 22 '18
Brax made an honest mistake in lending her the skins, just let this drama end.
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Jan 22 '18
What a incredible human being - he paid out of his own pocket even when having zero obligations to do so. These are kind of role models and people we need at the forefront of the scene.
I don't know if it'll be against the rules of this subreddit or not but I hope someone makes a separate post about this.
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u/JimJimster Jan 22 '18
Can't help but feel like that's a bunch of pointless stuff to be worried about in the midst of a major.
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Jan 22 '18 edited Jan 22 '18
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Jan 22 '18
It's because of principles, also he has a name that needs to stay clean in order to keep his job and career. What org would hire a pro that scams fans?
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u/billy_the_penguin Jan 22 '18
No, he broke up with her because she is a scammer and is manipulative.
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u/Cobra8776 Liquid Jan 22 '18
I think he broke up with her cause she was clearly a shitty enough person to scam a kid...
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u/c_Lassy The MongolZ Jan 22 '18
Tbh she sounded like a real bitch anyways. It’s a little kid who didn’t know any better (cough Brax Kappa).
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Jan 22 '18
That's almost a haiku.
Let's cut to the chase. There are two kinds of people: The sheep and the sharks.
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u/Ixolus Jan 22 '18
RIP liquid. I really have to say that I was SUPER impressed with Zews in this series. For the relatively short notice and not playing at this level before he went insane. Very few coaches would be able to keep up the way he did, ESPECIALLY when he was giving weapons away all the time. Great job zews, way to keep it interesting!
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u/Level_Five_Railgun Liquid Jan 22 '18
Wow! TL choking in double digits against shit buy! That was totally unexpected!
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Jan 22 '18
To be fair, choking is kind of a stretch since it was 11-11. They did throw away a round while putting Vega in a great position though...
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Jan 22 '18
Classic Liquid. Get everyone's hopes up, win the impossible round, then fucking throw it all away next round.
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u/_Oomph_ 500k Celebration Jan 22 '18
Team Liquid were more scared than a nova in a FaceIt Level 9 match.
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u/Stalin_Four_Time howl Jan 22 '18
Huge props to Zews for standing in, he even performed at a very solid level for a coach only using CZ for like 70% of the rounds
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u/xArsVivendi FaZe Jan 22 '18
Only Avatar EliGe can save this team, but when his team needs him the most, he vanishes.
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u/c_Lassy The MongolZ Jan 22 '18
Everything changed when the Vega Nation attacked.
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u/sheeep03 Liquid Jan 22 '18
One major cycle later, team liquid found the new avatar, a Brazilian, called steel.
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Jan 22 '18
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LIQUID. Hell of a good job to zews and to all the boys. I'm proud of my team despite the flair fade in group stage. Vega is a hell of a team.
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Jan 22 '18
props to liquid and zews to show such a decent performance even with a stand-in who hasn't really played cs:go for over a year (?), hope we can see nitr0 more often in his form.
also for vega, mir needs to step up to get them to playoffs, luckily the rest of the team is doing really good.
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u/katalysis Jan 23 '18
In the NA scene, Liquid plays the most fundamentally sound team CS. However, for the life of me, they seem to only be capable of playing this, exact style.
They are incapable of making big plays, changing their style in reaction to the opponent, playing fast but not chaotically, or playing disrespectfully.
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u/jackpot909 Liquid Jan 22 '18
They deserved to lose that one, they weren't playing as a team at all and relying on individual skill and losing rounds that they shouldnt be losing (granted they won rounds they shouldnt). They were not here at all but it is what it is. GG Vega
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u/Croaan12 MOUZ Jan 22 '18
get banana control
don't get challenged banana
cheat 4 players to A site
profit
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u/Eagles_4L1fe Liquid Jan 22 '18
If Liquid doesn't lose that half buy to make it 12-13 I honestly think they win that match, seeing them lose a round like that tilts me off the fucking planet.
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u/RealFellow Natus Vincere Jan 22 '18
CIS owning
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u/pwfx Jan 22 '18
Why the hell did JDM dry-peek jR from ramp knowing he has been playing that position?
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u/FisuKala bravo Jan 22 '18
Well, atleast you cant lose important games to pistols in top8 if you dont make it to top8
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u/PenguinJr2 guardian_elite Jan 22 '18
liquid wouldnt get any info on banana for their t side and just gave those vital rounds away cause of it
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u/vertagen Jan 22 '18
I welcome our new russian overlords. Really good performance from both QB and Vega
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u/vvFury Renegades Jan 22 '18
A valiant effort by Liquid, taking down a team as great as Vega Squadron is a feat many find themselves failing.
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u/Nurse_Sunshine King NiKo Jan 22 '18
Hard to believe that this major might end up being even more weird than the last one in terms of teams making it through.
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u/TheEmperorC Jan 22 '18
Chopper literally walking through the deep smoke at B tilted me to an unimaginable level that is a silver play WTF
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u/LucKygg de_cobble Jan 22 '18
Didn't expect Liquid to make it as far as they did, congrats to them for getting a spot at the qualifier. Hopefully things are better for them with Steel (man). Also, kudos to zews for stepping in even though he did not receive any sticker money and not being a complete liability. He's obviously not up to par with a professional player, but he certainly had some impact in their matches.
And of course, congrats to Vega for getting another chance. I don't know how they'll do given the competition remaining, but after I watched QBF qualify over mouse, I think it's safe to say anything can happen at this point.
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u/unexpectedreboots Liquid Jan 22 '18
I really hope that Liquid can retain Elige until the next major. I really want to see this team with Steel playing instead of Zews.
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u/Kuruma-Hunter BIG Jan 22 '18
NA CS LUL
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u/Katostrophe Jan 22 '18
Well, they lost because Zews is a bot. Can't really fully blame NA on this one
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u/Mysteriouspaul FaZe Jan 22 '18
Hey remember when I got swarmed by Liquid fans yesterday saying Vega was an "easy draw"? I 'member
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u/blueragemage Liquid Jan 22 '18
vega is easier than C9 or Astralis for TL with Zews
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u/Buratinovie Jan 22 '18
Astralis this major is super bad, pretty sure liquid would have a better chance against them.
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u/Udonis- Liquid Jan 22 '18
Only an idiot would say that, Vega beat TL in the qualifier.
Maybe if they meant relative to other teams. I'd rank the other 1-2 teams as C9>Ast*>VS>SS>BIG but we couldn't get BIG again.
*revisionist_history
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u/AHASIC Jan 22 '18
Ah, what a good choice for an event to advertise on by the U.S Air Force: where Americans get destroyed by Russian and European teams and the only remotely solid representation for the U.S are a bunch of Asians.
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Jan 22 '18
I feel like Liquid was such a wasted spot. That was the most prolonged group stage exit ever. Just leave already.
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u/Garuda16 Virtus.pro Jan 22 '18
When enemy uses scope, I think “yes.” When enemy doesn't use scope I think “no.”
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u/americagigabit The MongolZ Jan 22 '18
Liquid losing a game because they can't beat pistols... uhhh carry on tradition.
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u/Ksempac Vitality Jan 22 '18
On the 23th round Liquid came too late on the site because they were busy booking tickets to go back home
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u/12345782throwaway Liquid Jan 22 '18
On the brightside zews somehow got a higher rating than 4/5 VP players.
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Jan 22 '18
LG beat Liquid to become major champs at MLG Columbus.
Vega beat Liquid here in Boston. Sharks new major champions bois!
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u/tarangk clutch Jan 22 '18
ah the classic liquid choke, they made such a nice comeback into it only to lose to a half buy from there on out vega started going and TL started to crumble.
moving forward i just want TL to have steel IGL or something just let fucking nitro play the way he did throughout the major coz it was insane to see him play like its 2015 again.
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u/Phazor_1 FaZe Jan 22 '18
That missed smoke that Bardolph mentioned was an attempt to fake the smoke nade as a flashbang I think.
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u/t0xicsteel Jan 22 '18
That comeback on T-side from Liquid was straight fire, Twistzz and elige really played their hearts out, they kept stealing 2v4s and 3v5s from Vega that they should have won, forcing Vega to give up so many rounds and give Liquid momentum and money.
but then they straight up threw themselves into Vega’s bait setup at A, like wtf was the call at 12-12. like shit, have u guys tried using nades? they had all the utility they needed, but from what I saw, Liquid just stood there like headless chickens while Vega mowed them down at mid. (correct me if I’m wrong)
From there, it was just GG. They couldn’t do anything anywhere and Vega just controlled the entire map, herding Liquid into their A setup. GG WP, Liquid had a really good run with their coach subbing in, hope to see their new roster with steel go far in the next tournament. And good luck to Vega in the major.
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u/pedrohnj Jan 22 '18
goddamn it I love Liquid but they keep losing games to pistols. not rounds, games
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u/GrippyT Jan 22 '18
It's a shame Liquid couldn't field Steel, Zews played terribly throughout the whole event. I know he's their coach and he can't be blamed, it's not his job to frag against top talent. But god damn.
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u/AwpTicTech Liquid Jan 22 '18
so much cheesy bullshit happens to Liquid, every single fucking game, that they never get. Lucky fucking sprays, lucky shots through smoke, the whole nine yards. Liquid never gets ANY of that. Fucking bullshit
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u/DongerDodger Jan 22 '18
Boy, did the best igl in the world just get sent home by a team thats partially not allowed in fpl?
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Jan 22 '18
Why they are not allowed?
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u/DongerDodger Jan 22 '18
I think it was mir that was kicked from FPL, if my memory doesnt betray me.
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u/gunsteala Jan 22 '18
props to liquid for qualifying and getting 1 map while playing 4v5 the whole time. can't wait to see what they can do with steel
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u/iPuddin Jan 22 '18
I mean, I might just be a salty liquid fan, but I feel like Vega would get ripped by any tier 1/2 team in a bo3. I feel like they're very one dimensional in their approach to their ct side, and almost feel as if they do the same thing every round. Any decent IGL that does even a little bit of research will pick them apart on when Vega is on CT. I may be wrong, but this is my opinion.
Sincerely, A Salty Liquid Fan
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u/AemonDK Jan 22 '18
oh thank the lord.i couldn't handle two na teams making it while virtus pro, astralis and north die
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u/C-4 Natus Vincere Jan 22 '18
JDM is either a god or he's shit, there's no in between. Liquid would be better getting an awper that may not have as high of a ceiling, but is more consistent.
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u/control_09 EG Jan 22 '18
Him not being able to rifle is not okay in a team looking to go far into majors.
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u/HeWho_MustNotBeNamed Jan 22 '18
-jdm +Nifty ?
Pick up NAF too while they're at it?
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u/SunshineZz King NiKo Jan 22 '18
sharks are decent swimmers