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Discussion | Esports Fnatic vs Astralis / ELEAGUE Major Boston 2018 - The New Legends: Round 3 / Post-Match Discussion
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| KRIMZ | 27 | 1 | 16 | 1.48 |
| JW | 16 | 8 | 13 | 1.28 |
| Golden | 17 | 6 | 12 | 1.25 |
| Lekr0 | 15 | 3 | 13 | 1.02 |
| flusha | 15 | 3 | 15 | 1.00 |
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| Xyp9x | 19 | 1 | 17 | 1.03 |
| dupreeh | 14 | 3 | 19 | 0.94 |
| Kjaerbye | 15 | 2 | 17 | 0.85 |
| gla1ve | 10 | 5 | 18 | 0.75 |
| dev1ce | 11 | 3 | 19 | 0.65 |
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Jan 21 '18
Papa Krimz vs the 2017 top 20 players superteam.
Fnatic aren't getting the easy teams (except for VP), and they play so well.
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u/MLGlegolas MOUZ Jan 21 '18
NiP is not getting easy teams either.
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u/Niomeister Jan 21 '18
They're not getting any teams at all.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 21 '18 edited Jan 21 '18
Astralis looks abysmal this Major... On the other hand, Fnatic looks great, better than they ever looked in last 2 years almost.
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u/ZelTheViking GamerLegion Jan 21 '18
It's not really too much of a shock, considering how long Dev1ce has been out of competetive play. But they honestly do seem to doubt themselves too much.
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u/Av1ster de_overpass Jan 21 '18 edited Jan 21 '18
Purely speculating. I think they shifted up too many things before the major. Shifting dupreeh's and device's roles probably wasn't an easy switch. Kjaerbye and gla1ve probably had to switch up how they were playing as well. So now they seem unsure of themselves because they are playing spots, etc that they haven't done in official matches (probably only in a couple weeks of scrims before the major). They relied heavily on teamplay before and now they can't rely on that as much while they figure this stuff out.
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u/cHinzoo CS2 HYPE Jan 21 '18
Yeah, but it was gonna happen sooner or later plus Device had to get back into shape. Kinda unfortunate the first tournament they play after all the changes is the major. It's gonna work out in the long run, but I just hope they can sneak their way into the playoffs.
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We shit tier now bois
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u/Blitzkrieg_Booes Astralis Jan 21 '18
Give it time mate :/ I guess we had just around 2 weeks of practice ?
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Jan 21 '18
I think this is possible:
Astralis gets their shit together overnight and win tomorrow (please don't draw us). They play QBF (2-2) and beat them, they seem like they are running out of gas, however, their inferno game is strong. As long as Astralis bans Inferno i think they'll be good. You're not out of it yet.
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u/smokejps Jan 21 '18
ARE WE GOOD AGAIN?
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u/control_09 EG Jan 21 '18
Pretty good at least. Honestly you have a pretty chance to win it all.
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u/smokejps Jan 21 '18
Let's not get out of our minds here. I can see us beating a lot of teams, but FaZe is essentially a better version of our fnatic squad and overcoming them would require a miracle. I'm hopeful we become legends again though! Maybe the Asian Eleague bro finally blesses us with QBF :D
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u/apva93 Jan 22 '18
I would like to believe that we are good again.. I almost cried with happiness when we beat Astralis :D Life's hard for a Fnatic fan
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Jan 21 '18
Possibly. I was hoping both of our teams would make the quarterfinals so we could see a Fnatic vs Cloud9 rematch from ESL ESEA pro league. Mostly because it was the match that got me into CSGO and partly because we lost and i want sum revenge :) Hopefully we see you there, but we are about to fall to the polish plow again.
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Jan 21 '18
I don't think you sould worry. VP has a combined of 9 won rounds this major. C9 has 21 and against g2 and SS.
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u/esach Jan 21 '18
Very impressive CT side from fnatic, pretty sure that's the best I've seen them play with this lineup
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u/finnishfagut Jan 21 '18
Golden's teams always had really good ct sides, most notably their CT in fnatic academy on cobblestone. Nice to see it carry over.
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u/lewtenant Jan 21 '18
Their CT on train looked really good when this roster played their first few games. Also really impressed with golden's ability to frag and use different weapons
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u/sethel99 Astralis Jan 21 '18
As an Astralis fan, should I be worried? Or is this simply an insane re-awakening from Fnatic?
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u/Castature Astralis Jan 21 '18
As an astralis fan I’m pretty fucking worried
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u/monkeymacman Astralis Jan 21 '18
As an Astralis fan I think the most preferable option would be to die now so we never find out what happens and we can just imagine that they started winning.
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u/AlexandNord Jan 21 '18
Although Fnatic is playing a bit better than they were few months back, I think Astralis is just temporarily suffering because of the changes they had to make due to device's issues.
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Jan 21 '18
This is most likely because dev1ce haven't played competetively for months. He can't do anything right ot seems.
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u/tolos Jan 21 '18
the jump from window to run to connector, then getting shot in the back was definitely a mistake.
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u/Av1ster de_overpass Jan 21 '18
and not checking stairs/connector the other round. he's making a lot of mistakes, and Astralis rely on making little to no mistakes
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u/ghw024 Astralis Jan 21 '18
It's not because he hasn't played competitively for a few months (entirely), I believe it is because they took the AWP from him.
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jan 21 '18
It was his decision to go into a lurker role.
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u/Av1ster de_overpass Jan 21 '18
But he still needs a tournament or two to get used to that role. teamplay isn't instant.
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jan 21 '18
Then he shouldn't be switching just before a major and after he's been ill. He should be playing what he's used to.
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Jan 21 '18
Probably not. He has always been an excellent rifler with a great AWP. 2017 was the first year he was the main awper.
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u/ghw024 Astralis Jan 21 '18
He was the 3rd ranked player in 2015 and 2016 with a rifle, so I don't doubt his rifle skills. Its moreso the fact that he has spent the past year AWPing, and it takes time to transition back and completely change your role.
Additionally, I think his AWP is significantly better than Dupreeh's, while they are pretty evenly matched with rifles, and I would much rather have both players where they are more proficient at the major.
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u/tolos Jan 21 '18
They lost 2-16 to mouz (who were having a great game) and barely barely barely won against north. I don't think they're going to do too well this major.
but also, great game by fnatic.
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u/SquareBulb NiP Jan 21 '18
I think they haven't practiced much since Device has been injured. If they continue to play like this after the major though I would be worried. Maybe they will lose faith in gla1ve like they did with Karrigan
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u/YassinRs MOUZ Jan 21 '18
Fnatic just seemed to play incredibly well this game. Also, Device just getting back would mean they never had much chance to practice together before Major. Will give Astralis the benefit of the doubt for this major.
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u/Blitzkrieg_Booes Astralis Jan 21 '18
device was completely off his elements, and the team synergy is off. Astralis needs more time to get back to being in perfect sync again :/
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u/CptSasa91 CS2 HYPE Jan 21 '18
I think you should be a bit worried. Even though that was a good showing from Fanatic.
But they are not out yet.
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u/Av1ster de_overpass Jan 21 '18
I'm worried. Might be the end of the dupreeh, device, Xyp legend streak. They just don't look confident in what they are doing, in all the games except the tside train against North.
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u/jonasvermassen NiP Jan 21 '18
Start worrying when your team can't qualify for the major qualifier.
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u/SunsetDecay King NiKo Jan 21 '18
Wow, I'm really impressed how much this fnatic roster has improved in the past months. Doesn't hurt having some vintage Krimz showing up either.
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u/banana_shavings FaZe Jan 21 '18
Wow, Fnatics CT side was a joy to watch
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u/refuzeUS Jan 21 '18
I have a dream that this team can win pistol round and establish normal economy.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 21 '18
I had a dream a top 5 team wouldn’t randomly switch their awper for no reason going into a major and completely change two of their best players roles
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u/ghw024 Astralis Jan 21 '18
Exactly. Device was the highest ranked awper of 2017, so why the actual fuck would they take him off the awp and put dupreeh on it when dupreeh was an insane rifler towards the end of the year.
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u/Tadtiger13 Jan 21 '18
WE'RE BACK BOYS! Vintage 2015 KRIMZ and JW pushing smokes with the AWP, what more can you want.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 21 '18
The classic let’s have a tactical team that wins games based on tactics. And then make one of the best awpers of the year a rifler and then make one of the best riflers primary awp for the first time in his career and do it for the major.
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Jan 21 '18
In all fairness, dupreeh has proved he can perform amazingly well on the awp
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jan 21 '18
On CT sure, but he's nowhere near the level Device was rotating around and taking picks. So often they're just dry running into sites.
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u/mAtteT Jan 22 '18
True. Also, he might win duels against out of form CajunB and some but not enough against JW, but if he at some point goes up against the like of KennyS/FalleN/Guardian he is gonna get rekt 90% of the time. It showed in the final at Blast Pro Series. FalleN was going of and without Device to hold him down they just didn't have a chance on Cache.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 21 '18
Not really. Being a primary awper is completely different than secondary. The other point is why just throw out a years worth of practice with their setups and routes.
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u/loli_esports Jan 21 '18
i think hes talking about when they had dennis/rubino where he was primary
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u/Av1ster de_overpass Jan 21 '18
Yeah, I think the switch hurt them. If they decided to work on it after the major that would make sense. Right now it's like they are a new team trying to figure out their roles.
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u/madralux Astralis Jan 21 '18
Yeah, and even if they feel more comfortable like this, maybe they could try after the major.
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u/galaxieehd Jan 21 '18
2015 FNATIC?
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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Godsent Jan 21 '18
Hot take: Golden > pronax
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u/Vizvezdenec Vitality Jan 21 '18
I honestly started my slight cheering for Fnatic only because they were not afraid to take player from academy to main roster unlike all other teams that opened academy rosters for getting cheap hype. And not only they took Golden as a player but took him to the most important role - ingame-leader. This is a really cool move and I really do appreciate that.
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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Godsent Jan 21 '18
I’ve been insanely impressed with him. He can frag well and gives Fnatic just enough structure to have lock down CT sides, plus he frees Flusha up to be Flusha. I think Fnatic will only get better in the next few months
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Jan 21 '18
Meanwhile Pronax averaged 12 kills per game in the two BO2 he lost with his new washed up lineup.
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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Godsent Jan 21 '18
Well obviously current Golden is a lot better, but I was thinking more 2015 pronax
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Jan 21 '18
My theory is that Pronax had a Freaky Friday with Golden; someone who never played CS before. Rather than having to try to convince everyone about it, they just changed lives. Golden is Pronax and Pronax is Golden, who was just some random guy.
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u/TheInnKappa Gambit Jan 21 '18
Man Goldens Fnatic is so fun to watch.
Their CT side is stupid good and their T side includes nice set plays, good mid round calls and nice mix of slow default play and fast rushes.
I don't see them beating like a FaZe or an SK especially in BO3, anytime soon but they're awesome to watch.
Also when Papa Krimz is on it, on CT side it's a thing of beauty.
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u/PairsOfSunglasses howl Jan 21 '18
Congratulations to Fnatic for the fantastic win! Very deserved, some incredible plays put forward.
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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Godsent Jan 21 '18
I just came....
Fnatic haven’t looked this good in almost 2 years, I am fucking hype!!!
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u/UnknownPastaMaker Astralis Jan 21 '18
Forgive me for being captain obvious. But damn, Astralis needs to fix those pistol rounds. They find new ways to lose them time and time again. It’s been a problem for so long now.
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u/Blitzkrieg_Booes Astralis Jan 21 '18
It's just heartbreaking to be stay up through the night to 1 AM and watch astralis getting their asses handed to them like this, even though I did expect something like this.
Astralis is a team that mostly depends on the team synergy and communication and the famous "buddy system", but no trade frags, no decisiveness. It just felt like a choke. They miss their key ingredient.
I guess it will take time to get their act back together to reach their former height. But fingers crossed till then. It'll be a resounding success even if they reach the playoffs, considering the form.
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u/Zizouh Jan 21 '18
Choking used to be their main ingredient.. Jokes aside, i feel your pain. Been suffering with NiP.
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u/axhtz Godsent Jan 21 '18
I'm loving this new fnatic. Also, that flusha nade on the last round is just perfect.
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u/ZelTheViking GamerLegion Jan 21 '18
GG. That was some vintage Fnatic right there. Lekro and Krimz are mad men.
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u/Kornmark Natus Vincere Jan 21 '18
Well it it is only because they don't have device.. i hope he will return soon /s
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u/BLAZINGSORCERER199 Jan 21 '18
As someone who stopped watching/playing in 2014-15 it's good to see fnatic's still good.
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u/Freysey Jan 21 '18
Has Flusha been teaching the team about how to use nades? So much HE damage from fanatic on the CT side.
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Jan 21 '18
Sometimes i hate fnatic i really do. I watch the first half i say to myself yeah we got this ez just win the pistol and everything is fine. Fnatic does win the pistol but then gets ecoed. They start loosing rounds. And the round i start to think fuck this is getting close they just win a eco with lekr0's amazing deagel kills. Classic fnatic giving me heartattacks. Well played by krimz on the ct side btw for me hes the best swedish player for sure
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u/mokuhazushi Jan 21 '18
Lekro in that round, man... Stabs the only teammate with a rifle in the back, then proceeds to get two deagle kills and win the round with four players surviving. ex dee
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jan 21 '18
anyone else kinda sick of mirage and inferno games? I get that those are people’s comfortable maps but I’d really like to see more variety
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Jan 22 '18
yeah it's annoying to watch Liquid make their entire run in this tournament and previous ones, strictly on Inferno
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u/Chubbmeister-CSGO Jan 21 '18
What year is this Frenchies at play offs Fnatic playing good 2015 hello
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u/K0vsk Jan 21 '18
Astralis is starting even slower than before Device had to take break. They really need to figure out how to get into the game earlier, they won't get far if they keep getting shit on in the first half.
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u/Av1ster de_overpass Jan 21 '18 edited Jan 21 '18
Astralis playing scared and unsure of themselves on tside. I thought the device/dupreeh switch might be really good, but it looks like they are confused and trying to figure out their roles.
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u/ghw024 Astralis Jan 21 '18
Please put dev1ce back on the awp. He had a fantastic year with it last year, and was the highest ranked awper of 2017. Their CT sides are so much worse without dev1ce's unpredictability and mobility with the weapon, and it has neutralized his ability to much.
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u/full-of-lead Godsent Jan 21 '18
It's so refreshing to see fnatic playing good again.
(Inb4 we get sk tomorrow #fml)
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u/anthonyshreds Astralis Jan 21 '18
Not that dupreeh is a bad awper, but please don't switch rolls for the time first at a fucking major.
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u/dr_ont Jan 21 '18
The bomb plant deny by Flusha was sick. People may not have noticed it but it was only possible thanks to his movement. He jumped from window to short in order to rotate in time.
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Jan 21 '18
Someone post that TACO pasta plz.
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u/icewolf182 Jan 21 '18
Today Krimz was a much more stronger player: he drink some Mountain Dew, he was using the HyperX pad and HyperX keyboard, he had his Tocano mouse bungie; and, you know, the bill is paid, Krimz is back, and he played a great game today.
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u/FlobbaFett Astralis Jan 21 '18
Uh oh not looking promising at all for Astralis. This tournament has left a lot to be desired.
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u/schweppesvidya King NiKo Jan 21 '18
what does Kjaerbye actually contribute to astralis though? lol
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u/iWolven Jan 21 '18
What a great result, fnatic playing actual cs again and astralis is only one lose away from exiting the major - nice
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u/grurlock Jan 21 '18
whats with dupreeh awping?
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u/Razzel09 Team Spirit Jan 21 '18
device has been sick so i guess they figured that it would be easier to have him rifle
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u/Scratch98 Jan 21 '18
Such a shame. This might be the end of device and x9pex legends status. They've been legends at every major so far. I think it's only them, olof and krimz left that have done it
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u/Guydangerousus Jan 21 '18
I feel like dev1ce is just out of it. He seems out of place everywhere he goes, and despite moments of brilliance, he looks atrocious.
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u/Nisheee NiP Jan 21 '18
Tbh that sounds exactly like someone who hasn’t adjusted to their new role yet
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Jan 21 '18
Not watching the games. So is Dupreeh the main AWP right now? If yes, maybe they should change back
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u/mochatsubo Jan 21 '18
So much talent (4 top HLTV players) yet so psychologically fragile. Astralis needs an in-team leader with a strong personality to rally the players when they get mentally vulnerable.
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jan 21 '18
Astralis just don't help themselves. They should have won that T side pistol round as they got 4v3 and into CT but Device didn't watch for the flank. They sold a brilliant fake in the first half but then device just rushes to jungle with his knife out, not checking stairs/connector. That round where krimz gets a 4k from above ladder is shockingly bad as xyp9x got all the way to sandwich without seeing him. Their CT side pistol was awful and fortunately saved themselves with the 2nd round forcebuy. Still, that's 13-5 and too large to come back and more mistakes cost them it.
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u/chokyx Jan 21 '18
Astralis.. Can you for the love of god stop having 1 player solo pushed in a position, that has no kind of backup what so ever vs forcebuys.. They do it every round, and they lose to forcebuys every time that pushed guy dies.. How hard is it to just not do stupid stuff like that?!
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u/howdybear Virtus.pro Jan 21 '18
thank mr 2015 krimz