r/GlobalOffensive • u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team • Jan 16 '18
Discussion | Esports Renegades vs AVANGAR / ELEAGUE Major Boston 2018 - The New Challengers: Round 6 / Post-Match Discussion
Renegades 0-1 AVANGAR
Mirage: 10-16
Renegades have been eliminated.
Avangar to face Liquid for the 9th seed.
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MAP 1: Mirage
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| RNG | 6 | 4 | 10 |
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| AVNGR | 9 | 7 | 16 |
| RNG | K | A | D | Rating |
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| NAF | 24 | 5 | 17 | 1.49 |
| USTILO | 20 | 3 | 21 | 1.06 |
| jks | 17 | 5 | 19 | 0.98 |
| AZR | 15 | 3 | 24 | 0.67 |
| Nifty | 11 | 2 | 21 | 0.58 |
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| Jame | 30 | 5 | 14 | 1.81 |
| qikert | 23 | 2 | 19 | 1.23 |
| dimasick | 19 | 8 | 17 | 1.18 |
| buster | 15 | 5 | 17 | 1.01 |
| KrizzeN | 15 | 4 | 20 | 0.89 |
Mirage Detailed Stats
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u/_Bilas CS2 HYPE Jan 16 '18 edited Jan 16 '18
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u/Cryo_Ghost Renegades Jan 16 '18
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u/rugioh9 Jan 16 '18
If AVANGAR runs the table this subreddit will be on suicide watch
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u/PennywiseVT FURIA Jan 16 '18
both CIS minor teams in, both NA minor teams out and the only EU minor in is turkish
I can only get so erect
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 16 '18
no because avangar will have beaten rng and liquid to make it. that is what should happen you should need to beat like the 7th or 8th place team to make it.
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u/AstroZex Liquid Jan 16 '18
Imagine if Avangar qualifies for the major. The salt on this subreddit will go through the roofs.
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u/junttiana Chinggis Warriors Jan 16 '18
Please god, the amount of salt will be at previously unseen levels
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u/vvFury Renegades Jan 16 '18
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u/Grec2k Jan 16 '18
i really really love aussies...i'll never forget the Vox Eminor Epicness against Dignitas, but god damn what are they doing. This should NEVER happen.
Sincerely a Euro Pleb.
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u/vvFury Renegades Jan 16 '18
Australian Government's FAQ about Vaccinations:
The Immunise Australia Program does not provide vaccinations for those travelling overseas outside of the routine vaccinations provided under the National Immunisation Schedule. Travellers, however, should be aware that some health problems associated with international travel are vaccine preventable. Travellers should consult a travel medical centre, or their local doctor, at least six-12 weeks before departure, for a check-up and to discuss required and recommended vaccinations for specific regions.
Our Aussies carry a disease which restricts them from qualifying for the major. Once they get their vaccines done, they will qualify.
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u/rgtn0w NiP Jan 16 '18
Yeah let's not do those jokes and undermine Avangar, they were the better team and that's the end of it. This match just showed how superior they are compared to Renegades. Even If they went through If they kept on going like this they'd have gotten their asses even more destroyed on the next phase
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u/vvFury Renegades Jan 16 '18
Yeah let's not do those jokes
You literally contradicted yourself. It's a joke. I'm not undermining Avangar's win here. They totally deserved it. They played much better and I'm happy for them.
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u/e4mica523 Jan 16 '18
Renegades are the anti-Flipside at major qualifiers. Always find a way to choke and not make it. So many missed opportunities wasted. Shame because they looked strong leading up to the tournament
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u/Deadly_Toast Jan 16 '18
Being a Renegades fan is pure suffering.
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u/gusfindsaspaceship Renegades Jan 16 '18
Renegades: We came to this qualifier as the strongest iteration of our team. We're widely predicted to qualify, and are seen as one of the better teams here at the qualifier after having a very successful end to 2017. We will go to the next stage of the major.
Some unknown CIS team: No
Renegades: Understandable, have a nice day
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u/LinuxF4n Liquid Jan 16 '18
Try being a liquid fan.
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u/matheusvidotto Jan 16 '18
You guys don’t know what suffering is, Im a fucking NO Saints fan. Kill me
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u/matheusvidotto Jan 16 '18
Please don’t. Almost cried yesterday
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Jan 16 '18
If it makes you feel any better I'm a Bears fan.
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u/matheusvidotto Jan 16 '18
It doesn’t, yesterday was the toughest loss I’ve ever seen in football, even worse than seahawks’s on SB, it was so simple to tackle diggs when he touched the floor. Im so sad. Foock
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Jan 16 '18
Yah that was rough to watch even as a spectator who isnt particularly fond of either team.
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Jan 16 '18
Holy shit. My mum came into my room to bring me a tinnie and I literally screamed at her and hit the tinnie out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I’m so distressed right now I don’t know what to do. I didn’t mean to do that to my mum but I’m literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I’m going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is Renegades losing? This can’t be happening. I’m having a fucking breakdown. I don’t want to believe the counter-strike scene is so competitive. I want a future to believe in. I want Renegades to be the major champs and fix this broken scene. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn’t supposed to be like this, I thought the boys were playing well this major???? This is so fucked.
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u/koettbullen94 NiP Jan 16 '18
This has to be a meme lol.
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u/flyingcarlos Jan 16 '18
its from the day bernie lost to hillary: "Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I’m so distressed right now I don’t know what to do. I didn’t mean to do that to my mom but I’m literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I’m going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is he losing? This can’t be happening. I’m having a fucking breakdown. I don’t want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Bernie to be president and fix this broken country. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn’t supposed to be like this, I thought he was polling well in New York???? This is so fucked."
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u/Conglossian Jan 16 '18
Was when Bernie lost IIRC
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u/AlwaysWannaDie Jan 16 '18
Lol this is so much older than that, I saw this at 4chan in like 2004 so it's alot older than the election
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u/Xepez09 Vitality Jan 16 '18
you cant say u found the original without posting it
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u/EnanoMaldito 9z Jan 16 '18
if that guy REALLY thought Sanders would win NY against Hillary that's all the funnier :D
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u/speerosity Jan 16 '18
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u/Grec2k Jan 16 '18
Even tho this is British, this is kinda the most Australian reaction i've seen for being shit.
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18 edited Jan 16 '18
Neither Asia team makes the major, while (at least) three four CIS teams are in the major. Tyloo might have done better than Flash, but they lost to Renegades too. Why do some people want to merge EU and CIS again when the Asia minor exists?
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u/RealGamerGod88 Renegades Jan 16 '18
Valve would never get rid of Asia minor because they want asia scene to grow.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 16 '18
Tbh everyone was talking the same about CIS minor just 1 month ago... Now they spanked alot of T2 teams from all regions...
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
Doesn't mean they should get rid of CIS lol
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u/Cryo_Ghost Renegades Jan 16 '18
The way I've always understood it is that they want to combine the CIS and EU minors, so that all the teams are playing together on a LAN environment for 1 of 4 spots. How is this an issue?
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Jan 16 '18
Its like you playing on NA servers, the ping is bad for the online part of the minor.
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u/andrew1215 de_nuke Jan 16 '18
There would still be a cis and eu online minor qualifier. The minor from the two would be combined so there would be no ping issues.
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Jan 16 '18
But then you have to fly people to other country and the one more time for the major, no TO will like to do that. And there will be even more Visa issues.
If they are sticking with this format, the best way to do it is redistributing the region spots based on how good the teams from said region did in the previous major. Something like the champions league does.
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u/Gugugrxrx Jan 16 '18
If you are flying people to another region for qualifiers then why not combine Eu and Asia or Eu and na
Let's be real here you don't like CIS and don't want to see their teams, there's no other logical reason. Well guess what, some people don't like seeing tyloo and renegades bomb out 10 times in a row.
CIS is clearly the 2nd best region, if you want to combine shit focus on the others first
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u/andrew1215 de_nuke Jan 16 '18
America’s is better than Cis
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u/Gugugrxrx Jan 16 '18
Then why does CIS have 4 teams at the major and NA only 2, with liquid only qualifying cause immortals dropped out
Why did CIS win last major while c9 went out in quarters and NA has 0 majors ever
Why did CIS have 48% winrate last year while NA had 39%
Why did NA have their best, and only good results at majors with a CIS player
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
I don't see why they should considering they could do so for every minor.
The reason people want to combine the two is because they feel that CIS takes away major qualifier spots from EU teams. Considering that Asia sucks way harder than CIS (or even NA/SA), why should Asia get two spots?
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u/Cryo_Ghost Renegades Jan 16 '18
As /r/RealGamerGod88 mentioned, it's probably that Valve wants the Asian scene to grow.
I personally would be interested to see the EU/CIS minors combined just so that people shut up about it because it would truly result in the best 4 teams of the combined region going through.
With how CIS teams have been turning out it wouldn't surprise me if it constantly managed to be a 2/2 split.On a somewhat unrelated note, what happened to African teams like Bravado from DHW2014? I'm curious to know if there's an African CS scene.
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Jan 16 '18
they use the same system in League and no one complains. korea shits on every other region, but EU and NA get just as many spots as korea and china at worlds.
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u/Plaxern Astralis Jan 16 '18
Uhh not at all, KR gets 3 spots straight up while EU/NA/CN get 2 spots.
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
I don't think they should lmao. But I don't watch League so I don't really care.
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u/RealGamerGod88 Renegades Jan 16 '18
where did I say they should get rid of CIS?
Besides, you could argue that CIS can just take part in the EU minor, asia teams don't have that option.
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
I'm not talking about you specifically, I'm talking about everyone in this sub complaining after Avangar and QBF won the CIS Minor.
CIS can take part in the EU minor if they fly there for LAN, I don't think you understand how far Kazakhstan and Romania are for online. And if they're flying anyway then everyone can take part in one combined minor.
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u/_ferko Godsent Jan 16 '18
Maybe merging NA with Asia could be good, ends Renegades free pass to the majors at least.
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
Agree that sounds reasonable. Hold it in Hawaii every year to get teams to show up.
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Jan 16 '18
Yeah like pro bowl, game in Hawaii that means nothing because they will all bomb in the major anyways.
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u/EnanoMaldito 9z Jan 16 '18
yeah great idea, hold a MINOR in the US so asian teams qualify for the US MAJOR and not being let into the country AGAIN.
Two visa bosses instead of one.
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Jan 16 '18
CIS and EU are right next to each other. I assume a mixed EU and CIS minor would mean 4 slots.
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u/Gugugrxrx Jan 16 '18
Yes right next to each other I'm sure every orgless mix team in Almaty or Siberia has 20000 euros to shell out in flights visas and hotels for a 2% chance of making the major
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Jan 16 '18
Considering that both the EU minor and the CIS minor were in Bucharest this major, I don't see how combining the minors would increase travel costs.
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u/0mantou0 Virtus.pro Jan 16 '18
then theres no point
they can keep asia minor but the winner doesnt get a spot in major quali, instead they go to eu and eu gets 4 spots
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u/HppilyPancakes Complexity Jan 16 '18
Because a lot for the CIS teams until recently have been Eastern European instead of Kazakhstanis(Kazakhs?) so they could've just qualified through the EU minor, and the EU minor could've had more slots. That way instead of teams like Tengri at the major you'd get teams like Optic or Heroic or other teams. Theoretically it guarantees a stronger field since EU is the largest region.
Also, it would make the qualifiers act more similarly since right now the Asia Qual. covers East Asia + SEA and the Americas Qual. covers both NA and SA. The idea is to decrease the amount of bad teams getting free passes into the major, like how Splyce got a freebie into the major at MLG Columbus.
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
I think grouping Kazakh w/ Asia and East EU with EU would make sense too, effectively splitting CIS. Another option.
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u/Space_Waffles Astralis Jan 16 '18
I half agree with you, but I still think keeping a CIS minor is too much when you still consider how many decent EU teams got left out. It should probably be a CIS-Asia minor, an EU minor, and an Americas minor.
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
Should be EU, CIS, NA-Asia. Latter two are the weakest regions.
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u/Space_Waffles Astralis Jan 16 '18
Its not just NA though, you have to include SA as well, so it really isnt fair to have 4 regions competing in one minor (Asia, Australia, NA, SA).
I feel you also arent thinking of proof of concept. We know EU and Americas teams can be good because we have seen them, and teams can study them. When you get a bunch of CIS teams that no one has seen before they will always be dangerous since no one knows how they play, and like the QBF vs Avangar match to decide who goes to the major, some get free spots. It always happens at the Qualifier that these types of teams get in when they would never do anything at a Malmo or Epicenter. You can also expect these teams to bomb out once they are against the elite teams (and I want to point out I think Vega is becoming a decent team, im more talking of QBF/Avangar)
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
The region size shouldn't matter, spots should be decided by playerbase size in the region.
CIS teams are clearly better than NA teams anyway, ever since Astana Dragons all the way to Gambit now; because of NA Pro League everyone just knows the lesser NA teams better.
And anyway, flukes happen on the NA side too, like Splyce.
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u/Space_Waffles Astralis Jan 16 '18
The region size shouldnt matter, spots should be decided by playerbase size in the region.
So China (Asia) gets half the spots.
CIS teams are clearly better than NA teams anyway
You're just talking about top CIS teams who are also elite teams, and forgetting that C9, Liquid, and Renegades have been really good this year, and better than NaVi, F3, or Vega.
It also just takes a quick look at Avangar and QBF's run through this tournament to see it wasnt spectacular. QBF got through with a close game vs Flash, a close game vs nV who was missing one of their best players, and beating Avangar. In what world does that path say they are better than NA teams?
Avangar have their wins over F3, one of the worst Misfits performances we have seen, and one of the worst RNG performances. If they win this Liquid game, then they beat a team that had to use their coach who hasnt done well all tournament.
Splyce
Never would I ever mention a garbage team like this, and yes they were a fluke but it happened once.
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
So China (Asia) gets half the spots.
China has that many CS players? I guess maybe percent of total population or something might be better, idk.
C9 and Misfits have their full lineup.
C9's only good result was mouz, but I don't think anyone is arguing that Avangar>C9.
Avangar have their wins over F3, one of the worst Misfits performances we have seen, and one of the worst RNG performances.
Stuff like this is stupid. If a team performs terribly against a particular team, it might be a fluke. If two teams perform terribly against a particular team... then maybe that team is good at neutralizing strats.
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u/Space_Waffles Astralis Jan 16 '18
Yes there are a lot of China players. The reason PUBG looks like it has so many more players than CSGO is because it shows the Chinese players where CS doesnt.
then maybe that team is good at neutralizing strats
but this goes back to my earlier point that these are untested teams. No one has watched Avangar or QBF (or F3 I guess) play so no one is studying them, meanwhile they can watch demos of Liquid, RNG, etc. We saw early in the Liquid-Avangar match that Liquid saw how Jame played T side AWP, and they would double nade that position until he stopped going there.
If you played this same tournament in a week, these CIS teams wouldnt be in the conversation.
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u/Quil0n Jan 16 '18
Avangar has 3 recent maps on Mirage. That's Liquid's fault for not watching demos at first lol
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u/Gugugrxrx Jan 16 '18
CIS is trash yet has 4 teams at the major and won the last one, meanwhile na only has 2 and shitquid even couldn't qualify without 100t dropping out
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Oh come the fuck on now.
Avangar beating Flipside, Misfits wasn't enough. Now they beat Renegades too and STILL NOT ENOUGH?!
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u/raff97 Jan 16 '18 edited Jan 16 '18
Its a large enough number of bo1s to not make it a fluke. Also, in all 3 matchups between CIS and Asia the CIS team came out on top (Vega vs RNG, Avan vs RNG and QBF vs Flash). And thats without them even playing the top 2 CIS teams...
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u/flyingcarlos Jan 16 '18
they still beat nv, rng and misfits, so why are CIS teams the first in line to be excluded from the major?
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 16 '18
avangar are fine now because they have beaten decent teams. QBF is a complete joke
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u/flyingcarlos Jan 16 '18
but QBF beat AVANGAR playing well? i think the lowest you can put them is on avangar level
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 16 '18
rng just runing past corners not checking them. throwing mollies for a spot and not holding it. nifty being so unaware in certain spots. just a complete mess from rng. rng play especially the australians like they have no clue where a player can be. jks rotating to b when avangar is going to go out a with less than 30 seconds.
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u/wayedorian Jan 16 '18
No clue why they kept playing mirage.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 16 '18
they used to be good on mirage (atleast in na) but even then they would pug it super hard. you cant pug and win maps in a major. they were constantly getting caught out with smoke pushes or avangar just holding and waiting and just double teaming them
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u/Kaserbeam Renegades Jan 16 '18
i think that was azr walking through b, and the mistake wasnt rotating (they definitely could have gone b), the mistake was how much time he wasted after it was clear that they hadnt.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 16 '18
yeah i cant even remember who everyone making mistakes were. trying to hard force retakes alone. one time in b it was a 3v2 and avangar had 2 in b and one of the australians just rushed in instead of just holding an angle waiting for a peek
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u/TheZigerionScammer Vitality Jan 16 '18
Well I think this kind of puts the whole "RNG got a shitty 2-2 draw" thing to bed. If they can't beat AVANGAR they weren't making it past the weekend.
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u/epicfishboy G2 Jan 16 '18
Avangar are really growing on me, such a fun team to watch play. A real change from "structured" CS.
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u/HppilyPancakes Complexity Jan 16 '18
They still play very structured if you see the small interactions. Their discipline is what's impressed me most is that they never peak alone. They would always bring a trade fragger with them, where other players would try to push the 1v1. AVANGAR did a great job actively trading players and never letting there be a pure aim fight between them and the enemy (with the exception of Jame and Buster cause AWPing and buster is a god). Yea, they play like a pug team strategically, but tactically, they play incredibly well. Very sound CS all around and great team play.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jan 16 '18
you can take a team out of australia but you can’t take australia out of the boys
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u/AlexT__ de_mirage Jan 16 '18
Big fan of RNG but couldn't help but cheer for avangar here. I just love the underdog story and the fact that seemingly a bunch of random kids can just come in and be this good. So fun to watch for me.
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u/gyang333 FaZe Jan 16 '18
Renegades and not making it past the qualifier. Name a more iconic duo.
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Jan 16 '18
i really hope they beat liquid so this sub loses its mind. would mean no NA team from minor makes it through also
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u/marc0pollos Renegades Jan 16 '18
tough for the bois, I wish they didnt have such a long break before the major
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 16 '18
The CIS people in this sub are going to unbearable aren't they. They will rub this in for the rest of our days.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jan 16 '18
nah thats if avangar beat liquid too
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 16 '18
Uknown CIS team beats one of the best and most popular NA teams? I want to be in this sub when that happens.
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Jan 16 '18
Well, to be fair, you guys did bring hellfire on top of the draws because "the worst 2 teams (being QBFire and Avangar) were getting a spot REEEE"
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u/AwsomeOne7 NiP Jan 16 '18
Could not win a pistol round, and Nifty got fucked sideways by Jamie, very impressive. Also #saveNaf
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u/HarryTurney Jan 16 '18
They played like a slight better EnVyUs...
Just disappointing with how they played FeelsBadMan
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u/xXx_EdGyNaMe_xXx 500k Celebration Jan 16 '18
5 CIS teams in last 16 ez pls
AVANGAR have shown that they can easily dispatch of other top 30 teams when Jame doesn't shit the bed and KrizzeN actually gets kills in the beginning of the game rather than a bunch at the very end when the game is pretty much lost, gl vs Liquid
still dont know how they lost vs QBF, monumental collapse from them
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u/jacobsmith14 Renegades Jan 16 '18
Might as well of have them go down to the shops and buy a box of condoms so at least they would be safe about it before they fucked me.
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Jan 16 '18
Man I wanted the boys to win but I found myself rooting for avangar as the game when on, renegades playing such uninspired cs today. pls beat liquid so people can shut up abut cis being wasted spots
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u/usteelo Renegades Jan 16 '18
https://imgur.com/gallery/5BiaV.
RIP all hopes dreams and hearts of every Renegades fan.
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u/Crunchula Jan 16 '18
I'm so mad and upset, fuck.
Why are the best players on Renegades not even Australian?
Pains me to say it, but the Aussie experiment has failed. it's been 3 years since the core made the major, and they've not even looked close since. It wouldn't surprise me if it was their last event together.
Why is there no talent from our region?
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u/junttiana Chinggis Warriors Jan 16 '18
WASTED SPOTS
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u/nitrogene Jan 16 '18
lets give it to the team that loses next time then
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u/AlexT__ de_mirage Jan 16 '18
He's making fun of people saying wasted spots, not saying they don't deserve
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u/LucKygg de_cobble Jan 16 '18
Can't say they didn't have their chances. I also hope there is an overhaul of the Major system to cut out the crap. It's complete bullshit that the DETROIT Renegades is allowed to play in NA Pro Leagues/Qualifiers, then choose to go through the Asian Minor so they can get free sticker money by going through a weak region.
I also think it's safe to say the best thing Australis has produced in CS:GO is Spunj on the Analyst desk.
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u/mannyman34 Complexity Jan 16 '18
RNG really handicap themselves by sticking to an AUS core. JKS is the only one worth saving but if they haven't realized that by now after failing to make top 16 at the major every time they probably never will.
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u/billy_the_penguin Jan 16 '18 edited Jan 16 '18
nvm is meme
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jan 16 '18
can’t really blame the system for this one, shame RNG came so close, but if they can’t even get 9th place they don’t deserve the new legend stage
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Jan 16 '18
wot
Quite clearly it's not the systems fault for Renegades falling short to Mous, Avangar, Liquid, and Vega Squadron. We had the same chances as everyone else and just didn't play well enough
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u/WizardChips Renegades Jan 16 '18
why are we so shit