r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jan 15 '18
Discussion | Esports Misfits vs AVANGAR / ELEAGUE Major Boston 2018 - The New Challengers: Round 4 / Post-Match Discussion
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| AmaNEk | 23 | 4 | 21 | 1.11 |
| devoduvek | 22 | 4 | 25 | 1.02 |
| ShahZaM | 19 | 2 | 18 | 0.97 |
| seang@res | 18 | 6 | 22 | 0.94 |
| SicK | 12 | 4 | 20 | 0.74 |
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| Qikert | 24 | 4 | 20 | 1.31 |
| KrizzeN | 21 | 10 | 22 | 1.22 |
| dimasick | 26 | 5 | 20 | 1.20 |
| Jame | 21 | 3 | 15 | 1.11 |
| Buster | 14 | 3 | 17 | 0.84 |
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u/gonnj FaZe Jan 15 '18
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u/Hajiime misfits Jan 15 '18
THEN FUCKING BUY ONE
i can't help but laugh at it
but i also am crying inside
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 15 '18
That round was so painful to watch.
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u/JanEric1 Jan 15 '18
the worst thing is that im pretty sure that shaz actually had a smoke before those 2 players died.
because i was really worried, that they would get fucked on the cross and checked if they had a smoke, and they did...
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 15 '18
I think he only had 2 flashes when I looked, not 100% positive though.
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u/JanEric1 Jan 15 '18
i just checked, he had a smoke and a flash, threw the smoke(no idea where) and then picked up another flash.
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u/BigbyDirewolf Jan 15 '18
how did sick go from upcoming talents to straight-up underwhelming
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u/c_Lassy The MongolZ Jan 15 '18
I really don’t know what his role is in the team. Like is he support, or wasn’t he supposed to be the star player? Like weren’t devoduvek and amanek brought in to support sick? Or the other way around? Anyways, really disappointing performance.
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Jan 15 '18
Its a long shot, but can we get twistzz back from liquid?
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u/DinosaurCactus 400k Celebration Jan 15 '18
he's not playing online or rank S
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u/BigbyDirewolf Jan 15 '18
he was really good on lan in 2016. keep in mind that year was the first tome he'd ever gone to lans, too.
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u/Seige_Rootz Jan 16 '18
I feel like he's in a bit of a slump and its understanable given his circumstance. He went from one of the most "hyped" line ups with TSM to the current cobbled together roster and has been playing with an expiration date this whole tourny/last half of 2017
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u/LamborghiniJones Jan 15 '18
He has been doing badly lately even in rank s pugs I have seen. Def not living up to that name.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jan 15 '18
4 won, 25 lost T rounds on Cobble and Cache. Is it even possible to disappoint more?
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u/0mantou0 Virtus.pro Jan 15 '18
Most overrated team in this tournament lol
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Jan 15 '18
just NA things. really makes it easier to be a tier 2 nobody CIS team in this scenario, way less pressure for the players. seangares doesn't make it any better with his cocky tweet after beating flipside.
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u/earljsweiss FaZe Jan 15 '18
Buster is the kazakhstanian Mou
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u/JerryChorizzo NiP Jan 15 '18
Both from kazakhstan tho xD
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Jan 15 '18
Nice to see another decent team come out of the CIS minor
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u/AdreNMostConsistent MIBR Jan 15 '18
yes but i am outraged reddit user and i think they should remove it.
I cannot explain why but because i am outraged i want for valve to remove it
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u/Rielglowballelleit Jan 15 '18
They should remove it. Just like they should remove the whole fking minor system cuz major slots shouldnt be decided by where someone lives
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u/Element_108 Jan 15 '18
Name checks out
seriously tho, a lot of people are just saying that cis and eu minors should be made into 1. If CIS is playing well they will qualify anyways
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u/theehtn clutch Jan 15 '18
I'm gold nova 3 so I'm pretty sure CIS regions should be removed besides they're hackers anyways
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u/TheKingInNorth0 Jan 15 '18
The top CS analyst siad the CIS minor is a waste, who are we to judge
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u/faare Natus Vincere Jan 15 '18
if CIS is THAT good then lets merge EU and CIS in the same minor and see who comes out on top
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u/TheRobidog Jan 15 '18
Or just merge all the minors and make one big qualifier for the major. We could call it the major qualifier.
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u/faare Natus Vincere Jan 15 '18
if CIS is THAT good then lets merge EU and CIS in the same minor and see who comes out on top
how can you be against that ? it would even be more spots for CIS since obviously EU will get crushed ? amarite ?
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u/Futurecs-go Vitality Jan 15 '18
It doesn't make any sense to combine the two best regions? if you're comparing them then the CIS minor is an overwhelming success compared to the waste that is the Asian minor and the disappointment that is the NA minor. If we take your idea how many spots does the new combined minor have? if it were four it doesnt stop the problem that is deserving talented teams not getting to the major?
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u/AdreNMostConsistent MIBR Jan 15 '18
why not merge EU and asia???
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Jan 15 '18
because there is no continent named CIS. its just a subdivision of EU and western parts of asia which have better ping on EU than asia servers anyways. why dont we have a middle east minor? the same reason we shouldnt have a minor on CIS
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u/Grammr Jan 15 '18
Well, as you can see, cis is doing okay, so the region is already developed. Na, on the other hand...
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u/YestayLo de_mirage Jan 15 '18
It feels like CIS region gets with the quality rather than the quantity in terms of t2, t3 teams. The progress from major to major is just present. Or it is just me be biased atm
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u/maljbre19 Godsent fan Jan 15 '18
Childhood is thinking that CIS should have less slots, Adulthood is realizing that actually NA needs less slots.
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u/DoomgooeyKK King NiKo Jan 15 '18
That was some prime NA CS in some rounds. What in the world was happening with them
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u/AdreNMostConsistent MIBR Jan 15 '18
valve pls remove NA minor is so bad wow
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 15 '18
Not sure why everyone downvote you, there was literally 1000 comments on this sub that said CIS dont deserve slots in Major...
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u/AdreNMostConsistent MIBR Jan 15 '18
because reddit users will just say wasted spot because they do not know of the teams and are in denial that their best igl got rekt by 4th best cis team
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u/WorstyGO Dust 2 Veteran Jan 15 '18
seang is overrated as fuck as an igl..... in fact most igls are overrated as fuck.
also, faceit 5k elo eu > na 14 rws obviously
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u/AdreNMostConsistent MIBR Jan 15 '18
yes but he is baegares <3333333
he has done nothing since 2015 but he is so mastermind and watches lots of demos and i love him and i love shroud <3333
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I don't think there is a single person on reddit who hates on CIS teams the way you hate on NA teams
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 15 '18
I think more people complain about Asia and even though AVANGAR turns out to be a decent team, that doesn't mean the qualification process is not flawed.
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u/Tirppa ENCE Jan 15 '18
Calling Avangar a decent team after they win against two weak teams.
I mean I've been a critic of Vega but they've shown they can hang with the big boys this time around. Maybe Avangar can improve but this was more Misfits making really really stupid mistakes instead of Avangar making amazing plays.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 15 '18
Before this tournament the CIS teams looked like a complete waste of spots, AVANGAR showed they have some talent. Sure they won't be winning tournaments anytime soon or even qualify for them but they're decent in the sense they're winning against teams that are considered better teams.
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u/ycy Jan 15 '18
The process is flawed because 2/3rds of the 32 spots are given to teams for finishing top 16 at a tournament 6 months ago. It isn't flawed because the 8 other spots are given to regional qualifiers.
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u/ihateredditdamnit Jan 15 '18
Avangar still sucks. They only beat another CIS team and horrible Misfits.
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u/kick10 Astralis Jan 15 '18
CIS and EU should be combined with 4 spots available to go on to next stage. Then we'll see how many CIS teams make it past the minor
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Jan 15 '18
Yeah maybe we should combine NA and EU and then see how many NA teams will make it through the minor... wtf is that logic?
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u/kick10 Astralis Jan 15 '18
Well I mean geographically NA and EU are not even close to being the same region. As I said, NA and SA would be a much more direct comparison, and they are combined...
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Jan 15 '18
Imagine a team from Portugal playing against a team from Kazakhstan. ~6 hours difference, bad server for both teams. Its not a good idea to combine minors tbh
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u/yeahsurethatswhy Jan 15 '18
We should combine all the regions and have a major to qualify for the major
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Jan 15 '18
How about another crazy idea: leave everything as it is and just stop whining.
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u/kick10 Astralis Jan 15 '18
Well I mean you cant just say that for everything, if there was no criticism and development than things get past the point where they are now. I don't like separating the teams by region at all but I don't see a viable solution to that anytime soon. Having a combined EU minor would be a step in the right direction though. The more direct competition you have in the qualifiers will mostly lead to more competitive matches later on in the tournament. But the ad hominem argument works for you
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u/Anthony10298 Jan 15 '18
Those impressive wins over Flipside and Misfits, might as well just invite them right to the major
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Jan 15 '18
To be fair they have only beaten two shit teams F3 and Misfits.
They most likely wont make the next stage depending on how lucky they get with the draw ofc.
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u/Pytte_ Jan 15 '18
CIS>NA
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Jan 15 '18
Disappointing showing from Misfits.
Misfits' T-side was just so lacking. They never had the proper utility to clear out the B site and in the later rounds showed no B presence at all.
Misfits seems to be a team that goes 2 steps forwards and one step back.
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u/KraaiPastoor Jan 15 '18
We could end up with an insane amount of Kazakh players. Awesome!
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u/YestayLo de_mirage Jan 15 '18
I would be very happy to see them becoming something like a Denmark in EU, a big pool of talented players
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u/Baconmoontwist Jan 15 '18
Wasted spot LUL
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Jan 15 '18
relevant flair.
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u/Marcoscb Jan 15 '18
Except F3 haven't gone through a minor ever and were in every single major since Dreamhack Winter 2014. But sure, wasted spot.
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Jan 15 '18
except you didnt get the point since misfits destroyed flipsid3 and hes got a f3 flair.....
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u/FFab1aN Jan 15 '18
I Just feel happy for each win they get, considering everyone shit on them before seeing them play
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u/Den_dar_Alex 5 years coin Jan 15 '18
na cs on suicide watch
but cis shit region OMEGALUL
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Jan 15 '18
na CS on suicide watch
Yeah, just ignore that one of our teams got out 3-0.
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u/maljbre19 Godsent fan Jan 15 '18
It's because your teams struggle to mantain legend status, you dummie.
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u/Gugugrxrx Jan 15 '18
C9 are only in qualifier cause they bombed out last time while gambit was winning
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Jan 15 '18
Nothing was said about the minor in either my comment or the comment I was replying to.
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u/Anthony10298 Jan 15 '18
That T side was miserable. No info plays, no fakes. They executed into a stacked site about 6 times
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u/tarangk clutch Jan 15 '18
you know a talent his ethan is a free agent now if i were misfits id grab him instantly and kick one of the onliners.
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Sean Gares is still my favorite player! Nobody can take that away from me.
GGWP!
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u/Space_Waffles Astralis Jan 15 '18
What an awful tournament for Misfits. I had so much hope for this team and honestly thought they would do better than Liquid here. Watching rounds 22 and 24 pretty much sums everything up. Dry peeking an AWPer 1 by 1 just letting him dismantle your team.
They hardly did any executes and mainly just walked onto a site after a flash or two and a smoke
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u/Tacodude Jan 15 '18
Sean is one of the most overrated players in CS
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u/UBourgeois Tyloo Jan 15 '18
Is he... rated?
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 15 '18
As an IGL he is, no one rates him as a player. But this tournament he definitly failed as an IGL.
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u/SlidyRaccoon Jan 15 '18
His calls were pretty good actually, if not overcomplicated. It's the individual mistakes that ruined them. Sick played awful.
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Jan 15 '18
A frustrating thing as an igl is when your players don't listen. For all we know that's exactly what happened. It's fine too! Sometimes what we think is the right decision isn't. It's a tricky game to play.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 15 '18
I think Sean is an excellent IGL but this tournament I felt like he made quite a few mistakes. Perhaps it was his team not listening, sadly we won't know and he's responsible as IGL.
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u/lmpervious Jan 15 '18
I remember when everyone lost their minds and were praising him again because he finally had a half decent run at a tournament by getting out of groups and beating Hellraisers. It felt like I was the only one thinking one half decent result didn’t mean much, so I am not surprised for them to return to this level.
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Jan 15 '18
you mean underrated? i mean everyones literally talking shit about him not being able to frag.. example, yourself
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u/PUGChamp- de_nuke Jan 15 '18
I feel like the NA minor should be removed instead of the CIS minor :>
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u/sarthak94 de_nuke Jan 15 '18
To all those saying don't have CIS Minors They have proved now! How good they are!
Maybe don't have NA Minors!!!
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u/SlidyRaccoon Jan 15 '18
Good? They both played awful. MSF was just worse.
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u/sarthak94 de_nuke Jan 15 '18
Vega? Gambit?
Just because MSF has one decent event. They are great. And Gambit won the Major beat likes of Astralis and Faze multiple teams...they are not so great? Isn't it a bias than what is?
https://www.hltv.org/matches/2317286/faze-vs-gambit-iem-oakland-2017
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u/kayzeno CS2 HYPE Jan 15 '18
Claiming bias is a 2-way street buddy, and you are overwhelmingly blatant.
He was obviously talking about the teams from the minors... just like you. Stop trying to bend his response to make you look better.
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Jan 15 '18
What are you doing here shitposting?
Shouldnt you be on suicide watch because mouz is about to blow another 2-0 in swiss? Nice flair change btw.
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u/sarthak94 de_nuke Jan 15 '18
I always had Gambit! Never supported Mouz. Check the history if there is a way. Mouz stupidly picked train. I don't know why they can't be smart and pick a decent MAP!
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Jan 15 '18
Nobody thinks there shouldn't be CIS minors. It's just that in most places nobody uses the term CIS and just think it's all EU, sort of like how their is no SA minor, just "Americas" minor
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While I’m sad to see misfits out of the major I’m excited to what this team can bring in the future. I feel like they have a solid foundation they could build on and this is only the beginning.
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u/WorstyGO Dust 2 Veteran Jan 15 '18
No clue how they won vs. anyone in ESL PL. This team is so bad rofl.
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u/BigbyDirewolf Jan 15 '18
one bad tournament doesn't define a team, same as how one good tournament doesn't, either.
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u/albertongai MIBR Jan 15 '18
that B hit from Misfits where they lost because they didn't had a single smoke to cross CT was so cringe!
I watched MF against F3 and they look so good.. but I guess I was wrong..
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u/SkillBasedGameplay Jan 15 '18
How do you not use a smoke on CT that round where they took B, holy shit
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u/DuartayTV Jan 15 '18
Rooting for Misfits at this point is just screaming, "What the fuck are you doing?" into your monitor. God that was painful to watch.
FeelsNACSMan
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u/acequake91 10 years coin Jan 15 '18
SicK was not up to par, Avangar's reads were on fucking point. The amount of times they walked into 4 people was fucking ridiculous. Aggrivating to watch as a Misfits fan but I'm happy for Avangar, played well and like I said, those reads on Misfits executes were really good.
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u/N-shiftaltgrL-NE Astralis Jan 15 '18
Avangar have the weirdest cs setups i've seen. Like they start with 4 people on A 0 mid and 1 hidden in B site, sometimes they have 0 A 1 Mid and 4 B. None of it makes sense and yet it somehow works
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u/Rivitur 10 years coin Jan 15 '18
I never got the misfits hype ez for Avangar
Also eat it Yanko and Henry both trying to put down Avangar and straight up acting like they suck.
Wasted spots lul
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u/Cunning_Ruse Jan 15 '18
to be fair, watching the minimap when misfits were on T-side tilted me. Avangar pretty much played as a 3 man hit squad, 3 people a, see no one? 3 people go mid. Avangar would leave sites open, and misfits just didn't have a read they were doing that. I think a few more b hits and some fakes sprinkled in would have won them the game.
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u/PUGChamp- de_nuke Jan 15 '18
Just great to see Avangar performing well at this major. They prove that there is a lot of talent in CIS scene and they are not a "safe 0-3 pick". Before this tournament everyone would have said that Misfits would beat them easily.
Excited to see more from them!
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u/Johili Jan 15 '18
Misfits deserved to be eliminated after watching their T side. Poor execs and running into stacks every time.
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u/sarthak94 de_nuke Jan 15 '18
Overrated AWPER and Overrated IGL
That push with a bomb in mid. Sums up NA CS in a single play!!
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u/-NOiCE- wildfire Jan 15 '18
Why you gotta lump in all NA cs because of a Misfits play? We don't shit on "EU CS" now that they are slumping.
Also, shaved your head yet? Mouse got absolutely destroyed by C9 yesterday.
C9 over Mouz seriously? There is a reason why James is on the top. No way C9 wins that!
grow up dude, your relentless hatred is embarrassing.
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u/Tirppa ENCE Jan 15 '18
Holy shit just no!
I was sure they would win and went to feed my cat and clean the toilet. Come back and Misfits have lost. NOOOOOOO!
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u/Cameter44 Jan 15 '18
Damnit Misfits, stop letting the CIS spots seem justified and stop giving AdreNMostConsistent shitposting material.
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u/jonstosik Renegades Jan 15 '18
Renegades and failing at majors.
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u/DuartayTV Jan 15 '18
Flair che...
Wait.
No, nevermind. Flair checks out.
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u/jonstosik Renegades Jan 15 '18
Nah but for real, I genuinely believe in the boys - especially this time around. I genuinely believe they can do it!
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u/DuartayTV Jan 15 '18
More power to you brother. My boys got in. Here's to hoping that yours do too.
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Jan 15 '18
he made it out of groups the first 2 majors. made semi on one. made it out on cologne 2014.
not really an iconic duo.
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u/N1quex NiP Jan 15 '18
Moses the Prophet