r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jul 21 '17
Discussion | Esports BIG vs Immortals / PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Quarter-Final / Post-Match Discussion
BIG 1-2 Immortals
Cobblestone: 19-17
Inferno: 7-16
Train: 14-16
Immortals have advanced to the semifinals.
BIG have been eliminated.
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PGL Major Kraków 2017 - Information, Schedule & Discussion
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MAP 1/3: Cobblestone
| Team | T | CT | OT1CT:T | Total |
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| BIG | 3 | 12 | 1:3 | 19 |
| CT | T | OT1^T:CT | ||
| IMT | 12 | 3 | 2:0 | 17 |
| BIG | K | A | D |
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| LEGIJA | 35 | 7 | 23 |
| tabseN | 28 | 7 | 26 |
| keev | 25 | 2 | 19 |
| nex | 24 | 9 | 23 |
| gob b | 21 | 5 | 23 |
| IMT | |||
| steel | 31 | 7 | 26 |
| kNg | 28 | 7 | 27 |
| LUCAS1 | 21 | 12 | 28 |
| boltz | 21 | 6 | 25 |
| HEN1 | 13 | 5 | 27 |
Map 1 Detailed Stats
MAP 2/3: Inferno
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| BIG | 2 | 5 | 7 |
| CT | T | ||
| IMT | 13 | 3 | 16 |
| BIG | K | A | D |
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| LEGIJA | 19 | 3 | 19 |
| nex | 13 | 2 | 19 |
| keev | 12 | 0 | 19 |
| tabseN | 10 | 5 | 20 |
| gob b | 9 | 1 | 18 |
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| kNg | 25 | 2 | 15 |
| steel | 23 | 5 | 10 |
| LUCAS1 | 20 | 4 | 16 |
| HEN1 | 13 | 9 | 12 |
| boltz | 13 | 2 | 10 |
Map 2 Detailed Stats
MAP 3/3: Train
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| BIG | 7 | 7 | 14 |
| CT | T | ||
| IMT | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| BIG | K | A | D |
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| tabseN | 31 | 3 | 20 |
| nex | 22 | 5 | 19 |
| LEGIJA | 19 | 8 | 18 |
| keev | 17 | 3 | 16 |
| gob b | 17 | 2 | 22 |
| IMT | |||
| boltz | 24 | 6 | 21 |
| kNg | 21 | 4 | 21 |
| HEN1 | 21 | 1 | 20 |
| steel | 15 | 5 | 21 |
| LUCAS1 | 14 | 5 | 23 |
Map 3 Detailed Stats
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u/ajmeroski Vitality Jul 21 '17
wanted to watch CS, got fencing instead
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u/DinosaurCactus 400k Celebration Jul 21 '17
Honoring the Krakow stereotype of stabbings
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u/Rift3N Jul 21 '17
inb4 volvo adds machetes to cs
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u/DinosaurCactus 400k Celebration Jul 21 '17
Fun fact - Snax, who is from Krakow, named his knife skins 'MACZETE', which speaks for itself :]
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u/niggidy NiP Jul 21 '17
Absolutely insane match.
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Jul 21 '17
Man, imagine if BIG had won that too. Fnatic, SK and Immortals all going home? Too much hype to ask for, but BIG really did themselves proud.
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u/Swbp0undcake Jul 21 '17
Uh, I mean, Imt aren't a super top team like SK and it wouldn't have been much of a shock to see them (or Fnatic) going home
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u/robertS- G2 Jul 21 '17
That was the most insane match for somebody like me that doesnt necessarily support any of the teams. What a show :D they even hugged each other after the game, this is why we love cs
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u/Peacheaters Jul 21 '17
Why would BIG push against the force buy. They threw it away that round.
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u/CantHandleTheRandal BIG Jul 21 '17
There were three crystal clear throws. Infuriating, I'm a salt mine right now.
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u/IgotUBro MOUZ Jul 21 '17
Only that round? They threw inferno with some questionable force buys imo. Train they did good but way to often they didnt cover each others back and force pushed alone. More than one round was lost becaue of this making it tabsen vs 3 or more
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u/CynixCS Jul 21 '17
Gobb playing outside with keev was a disaster to look at...
Gobbs routine went like this: "smoke pop, sit behind wooden boxes, watch main - get rekt by tec9 guys storming out of pop, donate rifle, force keev into 4v1, hope Tabsen will 3k".
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Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
Highlights
------Map 1 - Cobblestone (I reccomend you watch a vod of this one, amazing game)------
TabseN quick opener and money nades
Keev knife to finish the game!
------Map 2 - Inferno------
Hen1 gets a new mouse mid game
------Map 3 - Train------
Boltz knife & TabseN knife in 1 round
------All Knife Kills------
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u/Mojito830 Jul 21 '17
Jesus, that's a lot of knife kills for a BO3.
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u/discosanta Liquid Jul 22 '17
The knife to end cbble started it. They were out to embarrass each other.
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u/jamester234 Jul 21 '17
You forgot Legija's knife on cobblestone in your "All knife kills" section.
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u/rafasouza Jul 21 '17
Immortals carrying brazilian economy on their backs with this huge salt export.
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Jul 21 '17
Immortals is the brazilian SK
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u/niggidy NiP Jul 21 '17
Plot twist: SK threw so IMT could win the major
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u/Roquintas Jul 21 '17
They threw to IMT win against Astralis in the final, with the 2-1 reverse sweep, for the 360° tilt from Thorin.
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u/SpeedyBlueDude NiP Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
GOD WHAT AN EXCITING SERIES AND FINAL MAP. I'm so envious of the audience who got to experience that absolute SLOBBERKNOCKER of a game in person. Absolutely electrifying.
EDIT: Big fans, I know it's hard, but Gob B died for my Gold Pick'em. Please honor and respect Gob B for the sacrifice he made.
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u/GabrielFF Jul 21 '17
Apparently they didn't, it seems like they got kicked out before this match. Holy shit, what a series though.
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u/DannyKII MOUZ Jul 21 '17
Why the fuck did BIG have to throw those last rounds so hard with stupid pushes.
Amazing series though.
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u/TemiOO 1 Million Celebration Jul 21 '17
I thought I was just stupid and there was a reason for those pushes, that pissed me off so much
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u/blueshark27 MOUZ Jul 21 '17
what I don't get is why on the 14-14 force buy they didn't drop Keev's UMP to Tabsen, who probably would've been able to make more of an impact with it
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u/Nisheee NiP Jul 21 '17
stupid pushes lost the last map for big
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u/GabeN18 BIG Jul 21 '17
10-13 against eco with one man advantage, tabsen pushes B...whyyyyy
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u/FEIKMAN FaZe Jul 21 '17
He was trying to get a refrag, so it wouldn't be 4x5 in the start of the round. IMT could easly reposition and prepare for a 5 man push anywhere. It was a risky move and it cost them the game.
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u/PUGChamp- de_nuke Jul 21 '17
If IMT players behave like this when they play VP its gonna get really heated, especially since TaZ is always good for some trashtalk too. Will be exciting.
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u/SynchroWhat Jul 21 '17
Woah there, buddy... As much as I would love to see a VP vs IMT match, VP still has to win their match against North. It's Counter Strike, you pretty much never know which team will win, even if one is the favorite.
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u/buzzpunk Jul 21 '17
VP definitely isn't a favourite either. People have been writing off North, but historically VP don't match up well with them, and that's not taking their poor run of form into consideration either.
The only thing going for VP is the arena to be honest, if they get in their zone and build momentum they'll stand a good chance, but it's far closer than people think.
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u/Unban_Ice MOUZ Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
What an insane series this was.
IM NOT EVEN MAD FADE ME LIKE U DID THE CROWD
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u/LugiaCyfer FURIA Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
Also, a fun fact: The second mouse that HEN1 was using was actually from Fer.
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u/Tibzan FaZe Jul 21 '17
I'm just dissapointed, there were so many opportunities thrown away for arrogant peeks and just silly awareness. Esp the 14-14 round with Tabsen just peeking after making elephant steps and dying immediatley. R.I.P.
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u/dixy48 Jul 21 '17
I'm just dissapointed I don't think we are going to get an interview with steel :(
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u/supergrega Jul 21 '17
That's was really mind-boggling play. He had all the advantage he could ask for and just walked into hen1 playing the most obvious angle in the game.
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Jul 21 '17
he has no idea where hen1 went. at some point you have to clear one angle because otherwise you just leave it down to "am i looking the right way when he sneaks up on me".
the 13-10 round was way worse ...
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u/crypticsquid Vitality Jul 21 '17
I was literally raging so hard the last few rounds, BIG literally threw this game lol
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u/GivePLZ-DoritosChip MIBR Jul 21 '17
I wish both these teams could've won. Such plucky underdogs with so much hype in the players.
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Jul 21 '17
Definetely, I hope we see more from BIG and get some invites to premier events.
Deserve it at this point.
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Jul 21 '17
Definitely, the emotion was absolutely unreal, and I love how they were back and forthing in the booths, both teams. This was an awesome underdog match even if I hope in the future the brackets aren't quite as unbalanced haha
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u/SmaugtheStupendous Natus Vincere Jul 21 '17
If their players can work on improving their aim they will be very formidable in the future.
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u/JackKahunaLaguna SK Jul 21 '17
Whoever had the idea for the boothes to face each other - I LOVE YOU <3
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u/chuckstig Renegades Jul 21 '17
"Are SK the number 1 team in the world?"
Immortals: "SK isn't even the number 1 team in Brazil"
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u/HumbleTH FURIA Jul 21 '17
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u/kaze_ni_naru Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
Jesus Thorin is so dumb. Yanko gave a good counter example and Thorin just can't let his ego accept it
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u/grumd Natus Vincere Jul 22 '17
And then he replies with "Clearly that applies to every team then. Looking forward to them all winning majors. No such thing as outliers". I just can't stand his one-sided logic. Show me a major champion who wasn't celebrating making the major for the first time.
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u/LugiaCyfer FURIA Jul 21 '17
I love how every time Immortals win, this tweet is brought (is it written like that? I don't know.) up. I mean... I love it, no sarcasm.
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u/Immortalsgg Official Immortals Jul 21 '17
WHAT WAS THAT SERIES
GGWP BIG, THAT WAS ONE HELL OF A SERIES!
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u/Thotfully_Yours Jul 21 '17
You guys are so much fun to watch. I love the way you get hyped up in the booth. Never change pls.
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u/KitsuneRommel Vitality Jul 21 '17
Hands down the most entertaining BO3 so far in this major. GG Immortals.
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u/IamBrazilian_AMA 500k Celebration Jul 21 '17
Brazilians and stabbings, name a more iconic duo.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 21 '17
this was a basically a street fight with this many knife kills
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u/supergrega Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
coldzera: im the best awper in the world
hen1: you're not even the best awper in the favela
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u/Thotfully_Yours Jul 21 '17
I REALLY enjoyed the jawing between the two teams this series. Makes everything a lot more exciting for everyone.
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u/PixelJakob G2 Jul 21 '17
Who would've thought that Immortals would make it further into the tournament than SK. Really sad for BIG though, Legija plays the series of his life and they still lose
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u/2Cream0Sugar Virtus.pro Jul 21 '17
What a fun series. They went all 3 rounds, had an overtime, and the knives going back and forth was just so fun. I hope the remaining Quarterfinals are half as exciting.
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u/theehtn clutch Jul 21 '17
BIG pushing unnecessarily and keev overpeeking made me irrationally angry.
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u/thetruethatguy Liquid Jul 21 '17
The story writes itself
Immortals vs. Astralis finals to bring back BR pride and avenge their fallen mentors
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u/i_wave_to_koalas NiP Jul 21 '17
Tabsen is such beast like wtf?
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u/Epherex FURIA Jul 21 '17
Yeah, even on those 3v1, 4v1 rounds it seemed like he had the advantage somehow. Guy is a beast, don't know how he didn't show up before
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u/Salva252 Gambit Jul 21 '17
Except in inferno. And that 14:14 situation, the 1v1 against Hen1 was poorly played. Which eventually lost them the round. He had the advantage but instead runs out and pushes Hen1 wich was completely unnecesary.
But then again if Big don't push against the forcebuy at 13:10, they win the game. Match thrown away by BIG.
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u/austinwer Liquid Jul 21 '17
This was the first Immortals match I got to see this major, and I'm an instant fan. Love seeing them get hyped up like that. Lets go boys
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u/Brumafriend 500k Celebration Jul 21 '17
http://i.imgur.com/EQZpcd8.jpg
THE DREAM IS ALIVE
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u/DioptricKoala Jul 21 '17
Literally everyone will be cheering for VP tomorrow lol
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u/CSGOed1 Astralis Jul 21 '17
Hats off to Immortals and Big for entertaining us with this amazing series. Big coming to the major as a new team and reaching the play-offs after beating some of the best teams in the world is unforgettable and also now Immortals will get the credit they deserve and maybe will stop being in SK's shadow.
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u/tahah925 clutch Jul 21 '17
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u/Swbp0undcake Jul 21 '17
"irrelevant ginger prick makes controversial tweet to get attention"
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u/sirmeowmerss Astralis Jul 21 '17
"Reminder, the trophy is only given to people who finish first place :>"
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u/iNeedAKnifeInMyLife FaZe Jul 21 '17
It frustrates me that Torin is even this popular or have a voice in E-sports. Dude became irrelevant on LoL and will be the same in CSGO once everyone realize what a joke he is.
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Jul 21 '17
What a shit major but such a great game
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u/Dust2chicken Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 22 '17
Yeah remember when this sub said ESL is dogshit and PGl was amazing?
Outside of fancy animations, they have never been impressive to me. I dont remember exactly what event, but another event PGL hosted they brought their own observers over Sapphire and Prius and had the shittiest observing ever.
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Jul 21 '17
That was some of the most entertaining CS I have ever seen. Fuck whoever is bitching about Immortals getting hype, you don't understand competition. All of the BM from kng yelling to BIG knifing the Immortals players was incredible.
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u/fzzzzzZ CS2 HYPE Jul 21 '17
BiG literally handed Immortals this win with those stupid anti forcebuy pushes.
Why would anyone push close with a M4 just to die to a Tec9.
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u/xiboca MIBR Jul 21 '17
Great to see the players hugging each other after the game.
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u/carlosmagnocwb de_train Jul 21 '17
Yeah, that was truly emotional. After that you could see that all the yelling and screaming was only in the server.
CS is love <3
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u/Takashimmortal Jul 21 '17
And at the end they hugged each other. I loved every single bit of this series <3
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
Immortals have gotten to the semifinals of the major while defeating only one legend from ELEAGUE Atlanta. (NaVi)
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u/skyfrk Jul 21 '17
And Faze got eliminated without facing a single Legend, lul.
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u/gonnj FaZe Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
FaZe eliminated losing to 3 Challengers, your point?
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u/CptWetPants Legendary Switzerland Master Jul 21 '17
Please post any serious questions/comments you have in this top comment. We want to make sure there's a place for serious discussion only, but don't want to take hype/memes away from the threads. We'll see how well this works, if it doesn't work, we'll ditch it.
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u/Brumafriend 500k Celebration Jul 21 '17
Such an intense game. In terms of matches, this major has to be one of the best for up and coming teams to show that legacy and historical dominance doesn't mean anything if a team gives their all.
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Jul 21 '17
This series was also very exciting to watch. The first game going to overtime, the second game almost comeback :P, the third game obviously. Those knife kills had me losing my mind this entire series. Great game from both parties
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u/J3RH4M G2 Jul 21 '17
The Knife kills throughout the series were incredibly entertaining to watch.
It was an inch by inch battle through every game. I don't care which team you support, that was a lot of rounds of CS, on a world class stage, with 500-600k people watching your every move. I am glad to have been able to watch the match.
The trash talk, and bragging adds a whole new level into the game. Mental Warfare is real, and is also very entertaining to watch. You have to remember that for either team, getting this far is a new peak they've accomplished in their personal and professional lives.
Major respect to the commentators for keeping the hype up, The players for an display of feats, and much love to everyone who reads this.
TL;DR: I F'n love CSGO. Excited for the rest of the tournament.
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u/iNeedanewnickname MOUZ Jul 21 '17
This game was fantastic, so much fun. I am sad big aren't through because they are a joy to watch. But seemed fair, immortals seemed more composed in the end.
I can't wait for the next major to see big again, hopefully with Tyloo as well. They make it so fun to watch!
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u/-abM-p0sTpWnEd 5 years coin Jul 21 '17
I really wanted Big to show the tactical play that's gotten them this far, but on Inferno they were just bumbling around aimlessly on T side, and on Train they made a lot of individual misplays that lost them the game, despite out-aiming Immortals most of the time. Sad.
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u/mrbrownl0w BIG Jul 21 '17
/r/nba does the day after threads for matches. For when things cool off people analyze things objectively. Maybe that would work here too, I don't know.
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u/CptWetPants Legendary Switzerland Master Jul 21 '17
Thanks for the suggestion, we'll look that one over!
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u/dixon5y MIBR Jul 21 '17
This was the real grand final
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u/FightFireWithTrees Jul 21 '17
That was the best game I've seen this year, lots of fun to watch for both sides
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u/ImPeterKe Jul 21 '17
One man can only do so much.. GG Tabsen
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u/KebabHasBeenRemoved Jul 21 '17
Tabsen did last game, legija carried them out of a 2-0, just makes me sad he didnt step up on inferno...
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Jul 21 '17
If you told me immortals go further than SK in this major I would have told you that you were crazy
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u/CynixCS Jul 21 '17
HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU LOSE SO MANY ANTI ECO ROUNDS AND STILL PEEK AGGRESSIVELY INTO CLOSE-UP POSITIONS AROUND POP
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u/brunners90 FaZe Jul 21 '17
Tabsen, carries hard on train before throwing the entire game away in that one push. Unreal.
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u/tribune222 Jul 21 '17
BIG CHOKE FROM BIG. Lost a force buy at 13-9 or something like that. They had immortals by their throats. i feel that the choke hit around that point.
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u/Cronosxiwar Jul 21 '17
BIG threw away that last map when they were up 13-10 I believe against an eco and they lost.
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u/ihateluminosity Jul 21 '17
This was one of the most entertaining series i've watched in a while. All the close rounds, clutches and knives got my blood pumping. A plesure to watch.
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u/iSleepUpsideDown howl Jul 21 '17
BIG: we'll win inferno because we won on it against 3 out of the top 5 teams
IMT: no
BIG: understandable have a nice day
yes dead meme sorry
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u/vibecarmello MIBR Jul 21 '17
KNG: VOCÊ É UM LIXO, UM LIXO, VOCE É FRACO, FRACO, FRACO, FRACO!!!!!
HEN1: DE MIM VOCÊ NÃO GANHA, NÃO GANHA!!!!
slowly changing flair...
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u/katalysis Jul 21 '17
Tabsen threw the game away pushing upper halls with a M4A1 to engage in melee combat against tec-9 armor.
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u/dntJEC FURIA Jul 21 '17
I TOLD YOU MY FLAIR WASN'T FADING, MODS SwiftRage
NOT TODAY!
VAMOOOOS BRASIL! VAMOS IMT <3
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Jul 21 '17
EU NÃO PERCO PRA VOCÊ
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u/The_Chronox ar_baggage Jul 21 '17
Just taking a guess here, Does this mean "EU lost their voice" or something along those lines?
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Jul 21 '17
Dunno if serious or not, but it means "I don't lose to you", which HEN1 screamed after the 1x1
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u/iNeedAKnifeInMyLife FaZe Jul 21 '17
Nope, it means "I don't lose to you" hen1 said it after he beat tabsen in the 1v1.
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Jul 21 '17 edited Jul 21 '17
I always supported both brazilian teams. I think it was due time Immortals going farther than SK in a tournament. Leaving their shadows for once. I'm proud of the boys!!
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u/FunnyButImGonnaKillU Jul 21 '17
One of the most thrilling matches I've ever watched and a big fuck you to all the racists and haters on twitch chat, both teams were insane and cheering and screaming, but of course douchebag teenagers (and thoorin) will always choose to hate on brazilians.
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u/OppressedCardboard Astralis Jul 21 '17
Damn, what a sick match up! Hope to see a friendly rivalry between BiG and Immortals in the future haha
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u/hypoferramia Astralis Jul 21 '17
As a neutral it was always going to be bitter sweet. Two teams with so much passion and two amazing leaders in Gob and Steel. One had to make their history and the other was going to have to settle with that legends spot. I'm just glad they gave us such an amazing series.
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u/HixCS Jul 21 '17
On train BIG pushed when they knew immortals had low money why are they giving the tec-9's/pistols a chance at close range why not play back and just use your rifles and the awp why are they pushing B im so mad that they just threw the damn round
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u/zardPUNKT BIG Jul 21 '17
Sadly just a bad performance from BIG today.
basically any other day this a win.
pick anything:
BIG winning more then 1/6 pistols
BIG not making 10 times more mistakes than usual
anticipate the yolo-pugstlyle that immortals always play
should have been semis at least :(
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u/Briickz CS2 HYPE Jul 21 '17
GG WP hope BIG is going to get some invites to more events in the future :)
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u/krimzy Avangar Jul 21 '17
Was so annoyed at BIG throwing the last few rounds... On the other side I've never heard of kNg until IMT picked him up and the dude is a beast! He could chill down a little tho
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u/ILikeThisNameMore Jul 21 '17
At first I was worried I wouldn't get gold. Now I'll be happy if I get bronze
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u/Miglekk Luminosity Jul 22 '17
Watched this during my english class. Teacher got mad, I got happy! FANTASTIC MATCH
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u/ThetaSigma11 Liquid Jul 22 '17
I swear if I get one point short of gold because of Pick Em play offs I'm gonna be tilted.
If VP make it to the finals I will have 49 points.
Why do they have to make it this format have mercy volvo :(
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u/Leelow45 Jul 22 '17
You just know that after or during the Grand Final Thoorin will tweet and say "Astralis vs SK was the real final" When it was a pretty simple 2-0 for Astralis. What an exciting match this was.
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u/ayysizzle Jul 21 '17
What a fantastic series this was. Props to BIG, they showed they're deeper than a jump bug
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u/AverageLover BIG Jul 21 '17
WHY did BIG lose to so many fucking Tec9 force rounds. This should have been such an easy win :(
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u/TheMidgetPanda Liquid Jul 21 '17
Interesting to see that BIG loses inferno when they don't use the jump bug.
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u/Zarrq Liquid Jul 21 '17
Who knew this would be the most exciting game of the day