r/Overwatch • u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy • May 07 '17
Moderator Announcement Upcoming Trial: Daily Highlight Threads
Hi all,
This week (starting Sunday night) we'll be trialing a potential rule change: Highlight threads are not permitted, and must instead be posted in a Daily Highlight Thread. If this change is made, this thread will be prominently displayed either in the Important section, via a banner, or some other way.
For the next week we'll be doing a sticky thread each day, and AutoModerator will direct users who submit highlights to this thread, and removing them.
We know this change will have a drastic effect on the landscape of the front page, and we also know changes like this make the mobile app experience less intuitive, and a bit more difficult even for desktop users. We're eager to hear feedback at the end of the week.
Whether or not this change goes through depends on many factors, but we'd like to see how this trial goes regardless of our intent to pursue the change.
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u/Moyou Mercy May 07 '17
Sounds pretty good. Won't the frontpage be instead flooded by fanart again though?
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 07 '17
Last time we tried something similar, it spiked but quickly mellowed.
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u/Asoxus Pharah May 08 '17
The lack of highlights on my frontpage will be depressing.
/u/Turikk and other mods, I urge you to reconsider with this point in mind.
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 08 '17
Reconsider is a misnomer. We are still considering, just getting information via a trial.
That being said, do you not like the daily thread? What about it is lesser than submitted threads?
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May 07 '17
This is a good change. I do, however, hope that this is kind of a long term study, because if this will only be done for a week, then you can't really see the important long-term effects. In the first week, it's probably going to be a clown fiesta because people will have to get used to the new subreddit that this will, no doubt, be. There's going to be a lot of work coming towards the mods in the next few days or weeks, but in the long term, this will be very good for this sub.
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May 07 '17
What worried me tbh.
You can't test a changes and makes it last 1 week... You can't say it's working or not in just one week.
As D.Va nerf, people complained kinda everyday for a month, now people are used to and D.Va is very viable and a good tank, she's nowhere underpowered/not viable.
People have to get used to. I would say it keep it for one whole month or 2 at max.
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 07 '17
We did a similar trial in the past and saw the biggest difference on day 7. Unfortunately we don't have a better window to test this due to events happening in mid May.
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May 07 '17
Why the event in mid may will make this hard to test?
Honestly is a perfect way to 'stress test' this idea when people peak with highlights post.
If the problem is that you have to stick only 2 topic, one will be for highlight sticky and the other one will be the patch notes. Honestly you don't need sticky other post like videos or w/e related to the event because they are liked a lot anyway and 100% they will reach front page
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 07 '17
We have a lot more stickies than patch notes. And it's about getting an even record of traffic, post breakdown, etc.
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u/hallitalli Pixel Symmetra May 07 '17
people make the highlights popular. maybe they just aren't interested in the other content.
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u/theone102 Play Nice, Play Pharah May 07 '17
Hopefully this test will last a while (2-3 weeks) so that we will be able to see if this is true or not. If people start leaving, and "better quality" content doesnt rise then we will know that people arent interested.
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u/Asoxus Pharah May 08 '17
I would have thought "better quality" content (aka walls of text, now) will rise due to those of us who remain having nothing else to upvote.
It's a shame.
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u/ocbaker My mouse only has one button May 08 '17
I'm not a fan. Highlights are a big part of Overwatch, they are clearly valued by people because they get upvoted and I don't think throwing them into a mega-thread is the solution. Not everyone is invested in discussion, not everyone wants to talk about balance updates.
Lastly, when I'm on my mobile travelling in the bus I want easy to consume content and generally that is my front-page. A place where Overwatch highlights will no longer appear because of this change. People complain that discussions are difficult to find through all the highlights, so playing devils advocate: why not do discussion mega-threads instead?
It'll be interesting to see where this change goes but all I'm saying is I am not a fan.
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u/VRrelatedthings Pixel Sombra May 07 '17
Oh wow! I am so excited for this trial! I hope it pushes this subreddit into a more serious focus.
I've always loved coming onto this subreddit to see news, and fan content. However, it always seems like highlights for whatever reason are upvoted higher than important news posts.
Don't get me wrong, I still love highlights! I myself have posted highlights in the past. I just hope that this change sticks and we can have a subreddit that isn't spammed with hundreds of highlight posts. I am optimistic about this change. I hope it really does stay for the better.
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May 08 '17
I want to see how this pans out but I don't imagine anything good will come out of this. /r/Overwatch became the one of the biggest gaming sub reddits and all it did was show highlights interspersed with some discussion and release reveals. I don't find 24hr highlights interesting myself but I think making them practically invisible isn't a good idea.
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u/sl0w3r Mercy May 09 '17
HotS sub banned clips from plays and I belive that was one of many reasons that sub isn't so popular.
I really like to come here and watch all those clips from people.
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u/itsdr00 May 11 '17
This was already tried, wasn't it? The same thing that happened last time is happening now. The front-page is lame art and uninteresting discussions. People think that if you clear away the highlights, you'll get some magical dream subreddit filled with in-depth analysis and rich discussions about ... something. But that content doesn't float to the top because it doesn't exist. It's a video game.
The highlight thread is a nice idea, but doesn't work, because unlike threads, comments aren't sorted by quality and time. If someone posts a fantastic highlight at 10PM, sorry, nobody sees that. If you post a highlight and no-one sees it, what's the point?
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u/lostshell Florida Man May 07 '17
So content is going to slow and we're going to be staring at the same posts at the top for hours and hours now? Slowing a subreddit is never a good idea.
Another bad move. History repeats itself. Mods never learn. One subreddit or another. The same mistakes over and over.
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 07 '17
I don't think that's what will happen but we will see!
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u/lostshell Florida Man May 09 '17
That's exactly what has happened.
In fact the daily threads are full of people complaining the subreddit has slowed to a crawl. https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6a3f7q/daily_highlight_thread_may_9_2017/
I'm going to use this thread the next time people talk about being downvoted while being right.
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 09 '17
We didn't expect everyone to like this trial. I should have been more specific with my last message. Yes it will slow down but that's somewhat the point. Is it too slow? That is a bit subjective and something we're happy to hear feedback on.
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u/lostshell Florida Man May 11 '17
It looks like you're deleting comments critical of the move in the daily threads now.
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 11 '17
We're removing any discussion of the trial from the daily highlight threads, positive or negative, as it needs to go to the meta subreddit.
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u/perthguppy Chibi Bastion May 07 '17
Mods never learn
Mods Learn, Users Don't. Take this as a trial for the Mods to remind the Users what a bad idea this is.
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u/GhostAvatar May 07 '17
I do love how people always try to take over something popular and force the method of consumption of content onto others.
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u/kiaxxl Pixel Cassidy May 07 '17
I feel this is a bad move for a number of reasons
we have a competitive overwatch subreddit already
you can TURN OFF highlights?
the last time you guys did no highlights, it was a mess.
here comes a flood of memes, low quality fan art and shitposting. prepare to see "DUHH HANZO SUCKS" threads 2x more
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u/ni-THiNK Fuck Mei. May 09 '17
2) this is not as easy in mobile, I'm not sure it is possible at all 4) the same can be said about the flood of low quality POTG clips
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May 08 '17
4) here comes a flood of highlight , low quality potg and mercy res. prepare to see "FUCKING DIE" threads 2x more
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u/Kingtom1 Aardvark Pays off. May 14 '17
Don't forget "I trickshot someone as widow in 3v3" or "I killed a widow trying to trickshot me in 3v3" and everyones favourite "My team left so the enemy let me get the floor is lava"
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u/itsVace Los Angeles Gladiators May 07 '17 edited May 07 '17
Wow amazing! Thank you soo much to listening to people! Look forward to this changes
Before people start complaining, i did a list of the pros for this changes
Since post is sticked, highlight will always be at the top, regading the post on the front page, even if it's drowned of esport or balance discussion, potg post will be up.
Not all the newest potg is getting recognized now, this sticked topic will give them more and equally exposure
sort them by new (If you want to allow it or let the user decide it) so every topic will get equally recognized and people that want to enjoy fresh potg are satisfied or sort by best for the best potg.
Download Reddit Enhanced Suite, press on "Show images" and see all the POTG without even closing and opening pages, what you need to do is just scroll the page
always fresh potg every day/week, the old one can be freely reposted (if you want to allow them that will lead to less moderation of repost)
easier to do contest of "Top 5/10 POTG of the week" that people can easly enjoy because doing it in the actual way (put 5 potg in the front page) would be confusional and would be a good idea to incentivize people to post potg and partecipate in the community in the dedicated post... voting for them is actually easy and all the potg get equally exposure. This post most likely would reach /r/all
No need to moderate the potg titles since only the link will be posted (beside additional comments) to avoid complain of "dae mei satan" "mfw" "dae" "what n hours on x looks like"
More exposure of other post
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u/Owlikat Feeling sleepy? May 07 '17
I'm not disagreeing with you since I think it's a good idea in general, but regarding your first point, I wish stickied posts worked properly in multireddits on mobile. I browse OW almost exclusively through a multi so I have a convenient side link, and I almost never see stickied posts. This one only showed up maybe 10 posts down, which is pretty unfortunate. It's more a problem with mobile than anything, though.
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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant May 08 '17
This is essentially banning them. They will drown each other, and form up a giant unvieldy thread that is hard to follow. They should have been moved to separate subreddit, not a trash pile that thread would be.
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u/God_Damnit_Nappa May 08 '17 edited May 08 '17
Download Reddit Enhanced Suite, press on "Show images" and see all the POTG without even closing and opening pages, what you need to do is just scroll the page
Sure, I'll go ahead and do that on my phone... Oh wait that's not an option. And looking at what's on the front page now...ya it's sooooo much better.
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u/Unpossible42 Reinhardt May 08 '17
Wow amazing! Thanks for not listening to other people! Look forward to having to wade through a MASSIVE single post that will destroy my phone's memory and battery power, as well as all the comments just to see gifs.
Before you start complaining, I'd love to see if you thought of any of the negatives?
Have you even attempted to use the filters this sub provides that require absolutely no change?
Have you thought about the fact that if a PoTG vid receives 13k upvotes, and the important discussion you feel you're missing out on only has 6 upvotes, that perhaps you are in the minority of what you feel is quality content that this user base wants to see?
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u/shalbriri May 09 '17
/u/turikk I know on the headsup thread said it starts on a Sunday night but now it is Monday night and the daily highlight thread is still stickied from 22 hours ago. So is that tonights thread? If so could you include the date in the title. Thanks and sorry in advanced for the inbox spam (replying in both threads for visibility.)
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 09 '17
22 hours ago means it was still today! But as excited as I am to point that out, it turns out there was a bug with the schedule so it was late either way. :P
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u/shalbriri May 09 '17
Ahh I was definitely confused whether to post my game highlight because I was worried it would get buried under yesterday's posts, but at least I was the best type of wrong... The one where everybody's wrong! P.S. for the brain dead people like me.. ¯\(ツ)/¯ Is it possible to have the dates written out in the titles?
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u/icansmellclouds May 08 '17
On mobile, and highlights mixed into my front page are the reason I sub here. This change means I won't get to see my favorite part of the community unless I leave my front page and seek it directly. Kind of disappointing. I see a lot of support for it, but not everyone views Reddit on PC. I exclusively use alien blue for Reddit. Just wanted to voice that this makes me sad.
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May 08 '17
I have serious doubts as to the effectiveness of this trial. Some may remember when all highlights had to be posted as self posts in an effort to bring more variety to the sub. I have a bad feeling that instead of bringing more variety, the change will result in more toxicity in the subreddit, due to more threads that are essentially rants gaining visibility where there was originally highlights. I don't know if this will actually happen or not, but I enjoy the highlight posts much more when I see them on my frontpage with all of my other subreddits rather than going through r/overwatch. I'd rather see individual highlight posts where the discussion can be limited to an extent within the bounds of the highlight, rather than a catch-all stickied post that could result in serious dilution of the discussion of each highlight.
Just my two cents
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u/Kingtom1 Aardvark Pays off. May 14 '17
to be fair they arent stopping anyone from posting highlights, just making them post it in once easy to see place.
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u/SinisterPixel Hey Daddy-o! May 08 '17
I've gotta say I'm not 100% on the mods trying to cull the reason most people visit this sub for the third or fourth time. Whenever one of these trials has been done, it's just reverted back to allowing highlights to be put on the front page, and it does explain why nothing too interesting from /r/overwatch appeared on my homepage all day. I sincerely hope this doesn't stay in effect. I come here mostly to kill 5 or 10 minutes with some low engagement clips. While I do enjoy the odd discussion, when I'm on a work break, on mobile, the last thing I care to do is trawl through comments on a thread or read huge textwalls about what Jeff likes in his breakfast bagel or how Mei is actually a decendant of TF2's Pyro.
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u/i-wear-hats BEEP BOOP FUCK THE OWL May 07 '17
I sincerely hope you'll also be cracking down on all the esports highlights that'll inevitably show up.
We already have dudes arguing for exceptions for that. They're still highlights, into the megathread they go. Fuck exceptionalism.
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u/therejectethan May 07 '17
Since this is a fresh thread (please don't kill me for asking this since I know it's technically the wrong thread :X), but 1) is HotS free to dowload/play? And 2) can I run it on a 2007-8 MacBook Pro (only 'PC' I have momentarily)? I want the new D.Va skin, but I'm mainly a console player.
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u/bustedmagnets May 07 '17
Vocal minority speaking up once again. Highlight threads get up voted for a reason, and it's certainly not because of the people posting in this thread.
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May 07 '17
If people like so much watching potg and are the "majority" of people, why your "majority" isn't attacking this changes?
If people like them so much, why there isn't an higher complain?
If that's true, this should be rioted or post should be filled with complaint... something that's not happening.
Maybe your so called majority isn't that bigger after all...
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u/bustedmagnets May 07 '17
It's literally the definition of "vocal minority".
Vocal minority, silent majority. The majority doesn't need to speak up because most people agree with them.
Highlight posts get upvoted the front page by the bucketful. If more people DIDN'T like highlights than those that DO like highlights, those posts wouldn't get to the front page.
That's literally how it works.
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May 07 '17 edited May 07 '17
In my country we said "if someone is silent or doesn't express an opinion, he agree with it"
Also... Let's say your country will take your home and kick you out from your house and you can't get in, all the people in your country.
"the majority doesn't need to speak up because most people agree with them." right? lmao
nah man ... The majority won't riot. /s
Highlight posts get upvoted the front page by the bucketful. If more people DIDN'T like highlights than those that DO like highlights, those posts wouldn't get to the front page.
That's literally how it works.
first, who doesn't like highlights doesn't even dislike them, simply they doesn't watch it
second, who dislike the potg left the subreddit already (and before you say "why they don't stay in their subreddit?" we are a fucking community, this is not /r/overwatchpotg nor /r/overwatchesport nor /r/overwatchmeme... It's /r/overwatch... All the community should be represented...)
3rd, as explained for a fucktons of time, highlights and potg are easy to consume content, that means require 5 to 15 second to consume the content and put a like is easier
4th, a discussion well written, long and detailed require 1 to 2 minutes to consume...most of the people, despite maybe being interested in the topic, doesn't even consume it all and leave without liking or disliking simply because they didn't even read it... It's the same reason of why you will most likely refresh or abandon a website that require more than 30 seconds to load despite you being interested in the website.
5th this lead well detailed content being drowned by easy to consume content to be shown... And before you will say "hurr durr we have filter" first reddit doesn't stack the topic but you have to surf each page and 2nd flair on mobile is pretty hard and not as much intuitive as it is on desktop.
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u/Chickern May 08 '17 edited May 08 '17
All the community should be represented
With the POTG's sent to the megathread ghetto?
most of the people, despite maybe being interested in the topic, doesn't even consume it all and leave without liking or disliking simply because they didn't even read it...
I don't think that's a very good argument.
You've said that even people who like discussions don't read them all, so why do we need to remove POTG's to increase discussions, when the few discussions that are already here aren't being read?
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u/Reddit_Fireteam Heppy Halloween! May 07 '17
Is there enough frequent news throughout the week to warrant this tho? I feel the subreddit might become incredibly barren, and coming back to see specific POTGs might be more difficult. That being said having quick access to discussions and news isn't a terrible idea.
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u/VioletUser "My coworkers are idiots" - Moria May 08 '17
let it be barren and them lose subs.
Or flooded with fanart and nothing more.
If that is how they want it, go right ahead.
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u/Koozzie May 07 '17
I like this new idea. I'd recommend that parent comments can only be highlights too.
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u/froxezaen we all need healing May 07 '17
Would it not be more viable to work on the post filtering thats already there?
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May 07 '17
Thank god, /r/Overwatch has been a shitshow of nothing but "lol look at my potg" 8 times on one page. Maybe this will get people to post stuff other than highlights...
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u/ni-THiNK Fuck Mei. May 09 '17
And most of the time the POTG is something I've seen a bunch before, done in the exact same fashion, nothing new or special
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May 07 '17 edited May 07 '17
Thank fucking god. Maybe now /r/overwatch will have some actual interesting threads to discuss on, instead of the whole subreddit looking like some casual clown fiesta. This change is more important than people think. As a lot of you know OW league is coming out soon. And the most important thing that esports scene relies on is the playerbase being interested and involved into the scene. Removing memey highlight threads will help esport and game discussion threads to get more popular and attract more people into that hadn't been interested into them before. This is obviously good because a healthy competitive scene is the KEY to a long lasting successful game.
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u/God_Damnit_Nappa May 08 '17
And those of us that don't give a shit about esports can go fuck ourselves then, right?
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May 08 '17
Did you even read what the OP of the thread wrote. Your potgs are not going nowhere. All that is happening is, that their amount is being controlled. I didn't say that the whole subreddit would look have nothing but esports posts. You would still have your humor posts, game discussions, artwork and many more..
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u/Party_Magician I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees May 07 '17
Removing memey highlight threads will help esport and game discussion threads to get more popular
Yeah no. They may get more exposure, but you won't make people who don't like a thing like it just by taking away something else
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u/7317fp United Kingdom May 07 '17 edited May 07 '17
Great change, changing it so highlights are in their own thread could bring back "lurkers" like me who want to enjoy browsing this sub but found the content too stale. I recently stopped visiting this sub much to go to r/Competitiveoverwatch/ instead because it is far better at showing me the content I wanted to see. I currently come on here, see if there is anything on the front page that isn't a POTG, leave. 30 seconds at the most.
Memes are another problem. r/PCMR went that way for me too, so much low quality content or stupid repetitive unfunny memes / jokes I just moved to r/pcgaming. Dinoflask for example is fantastic, definitely adds great value to the page, the hanzo main bullshit is the next thing I think needs to be dealth with need to stop because it makes this sub look to be filled with nothing but 12 year olds and if it wasn't for seeing this news on r/competitiveoverwatch I wouldn't have come back to this sub.
r/Competitiveoverwatch still has high skilled plays made by pros which to me is far better than either no highlights at all, but they are worth watching because it is genuinely technically impressive. I started to think the mods here would never make a difficult decision like this but I'm pretty sure it'll increase the quality massively.
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u/Volko Nino#2525 May 07 '17
You don't like "standard" Overwatch and prefer talking about competitive Overwatch ? Good thing /r/Competitiveoverwatch/ exists ! You can also remove the Highlights posts with the sidebar options.
It's like you're going to a Levi's store and complain there's no Calvin Klein stuff in here.
PS : The thread you mention has 4 upvotes. The community doesn't like it. There always be retarded & low quality content submitted, but the problem appears only if they are upvoted.
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May 07 '17
This is a good change, a very good one and one that will benefit the community in the long run.
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u/MadKyaw I got un-permabanned from the forums May 07 '17
Would the auto-moderator know the difference between humorous highlights and gameplay highlights if the former wasn't flaired properly?
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u/Redhawkk Reaper May 07 '17
Can you have it automatically sorted by "new"?
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u/ni-THiNK Fuck Mei. May 09 '17
Just curious, why would you want it sorted by new rather than seeing the best highlights first?
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u/Redhawkk Reaper May 09 '17
Honestly I misread. I thought it'd be 1 sticky for the whole week instead of a new sticky each day.
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u/Volko Nino#2525 May 07 '17
Oh no not again it will be one week of fcking no man's land.
Do you remember what happened the last time you did that ? The subreddit was empty for a week. Why won't you learn ?
Overwatch is a game, it doesn't change everyday, and even if we have almost daily blueposts and monthly patchnotes, there's not enough content (other than highlights) to fill in between.
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u/lyyki Sierra Hotel India Echo Lima Delta May 07 '17
Maybe I'm the minority but I do like the easy to chew simple highlight gifs this subreddit has been. This sounds like a bad move.
If I wanted discussion, I would go to the other subreddits.
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u/SplishSplashD May 07 '17
I agree, highlights get upvoted for a reason. The ones on the front page are often exceptional, or good for informational purposes. That won't happen if they are all stuffed in a thread.
Oh well, RIP /overwatch. I'll just stick to the other two main subs.
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u/ace_of_sppades Don't try and out clown fiesta the clown fiesta masters May 07 '17
The get upvote because they are easy to consume.
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u/SplishSplashD May 07 '17
They get upvoted because people want to upvote them. If everyone hates highlights so much, Who is voting them?
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u/chappy454 Chibi D.Va May 07 '17
Would this change also apply to linking carefully edited montage videos as opposed to just individual highlights?
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u/DrunkenLlama101 May 07 '17
As a mobile user this will be a little anoying as I don't have a problem with this sub in its current state. But hey if it makes other user's happy then sure
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u/ParanoidDrone ¿Quién es 'Sombra'? May 08 '17
What counts as a highlight? Anything that would get automatically flaired as such, or just ingame footage (e.g. POTGs)?
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u/quantumslip Mercy May 08 '17
Does this include highlights that are accompanied by textual description to highlight an issue or to teach gameplay mechanics Ex. I create a self-text post showing a bug and describe how to repro in the text, and include a link to the highlight. I'm thinking of the reinheart eichenwald bug that's been on the front page recently. I worry that those would become less visible to Blizzard and others under this system.
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u/Asoxus Pharah May 08 '17
They probably should be placed here as they are gameplay footage.
Bug reports can be made through the blizzard forums or direct to them, surely?
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u/God_Damnit_Nappa May 08 '17
Well the front page currently looks like shit so yay? I guess I'll be limiting the amount of times I come here a day for this week since the highlights thread is a cluster fuck and the other posts are boring or shitposts.
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u/GoatChease I wear pants to hide my robot schlong May 09 '17
This post is a day old now, but I'd like to voice my opinion still. I didn't have a problem with the highlights before, but having a designated thread just for highlights is a great change, especially since filters aren't a thing on mobile.
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u/Wetzilla Orisa May 11 '17
After a few days of this, I'm not a huge fan. I liked seeing highlight clips mixed into my front page. With this change I don't get that, and have rarely visited the sub since this change has happened. It doesn't seem to have sparked any more significant discussion, most of the threads on the front page are just complaints and change requests for Blizzard. There's just nothing that interesting to me.
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u/NoMoMoneyNoMoHoney Boom May 13 '17
Yeah, this is going seriously turn me off as a mobile user and just in general. The reason I go to the sub is for the highlight gifs because they're easy to watch and click on.
If people hated highlight gifs, they wouldn't upvote them.
Also, from an advertising standpoint, highlights give r/overwatch r/all material and this attracts people to this sub.
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u/avatoxico Windowmaker May 07 '17 edited May 07 '17
Interesting.
Let's see all the high effort content that will end up in the front page.
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u/i-wear-hats BEEP BOOP FUCK THE OWL May 07 '17
It won't. None of these chucklefucks have anything interesting to say, if they did, they'd have contributed.
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u/Nibel2 Torb main. Also used to main the real Symmetra. May 07 '17
Since watching Highlights is by far my main reason to even access this sub, and I know I'm not alone on this one, I'll just wait until the experiment fails, and things return to normal.
For everyone that don't want to be infested by tons of highlights in the future, just click on the "Highlight" filter on the side bar, and they'll all vanish. I know I did that for the eSports tag.
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u/Deadlibor Let’s dance, ghost. May 07 '17
I agree with your Dialy Highlight Threads, but with this, you will be moving all gifs to those threads. Everyday, there are gifs which are marked as highlights, but instead of some random POTG, they show some specific function or something new, and should not be the same category as POTGs. Because of this, such gifs should not be moved to the Daily Highlight Threads.
I said it before and I'll say it one more time: make more flairs. Specificaly, make flairs "educative" and "bug", so users can choose what type of a gif they submit. Move all POTGs to that Dialy Highlight Threads, but leave any educative/bug gif on the frontpage.
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May 07 '17
No. Gifs can be submitted as self posts if they're regarding a bug, or anything that would require an explanation. They should be anyways.
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May 07 '17
I agree with your Dialy Highlight Threads, but with this, you will be moving all gifs to those threads. Everyday, there are gifs which are marked as highlights, but instead of some random POTG, they show some specific function or something new, and should not be the same category as POTGs. Because of this, such gifs should not be moved to the Daily Highlight Threads.
But couldn't we just agree on making a self-post outlining the newfound function or interaction and then adding a gif of said thing into the selfpost?
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u/PhaserRave 𝔻𝕆ℕ'𝕋 ℙ𝔸ℕ𝕀ℂ! May 07 '17
Highlights are the primary reason I come to this subreddit.
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u/kiaxxl Pixel Cassidy May 07 '17
PhaserRave: giving feedback on a thread calmly and respecfully about what they like in this sub
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u/PhaserRave 𝔻𝕆ℕ'𝕋 ℙ𝔸ℕ𝕀ℂ! May 08 '17
I don't get it. Are they disagreeing that it's the reason I come here?
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u/Kingtom1 Aardvark Pays off. May 14 '17
Then if this change goes through you can get all the highlights you want from the sticky
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May 07 '17
You could direct all highlight traffic over there.
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u/Unfunny_Asshole 3% hit accuracy May 08 '17
Sure, and everyone can push discussion about strategy to /r/Competitiveoverwatch and fanart to /r/overwatch_fanart and console discussions to /r/OWConsole etc.
Then we'll leave /r/Overwatch as an empty shell.
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u/Chime_Shinsen Pixel Moira May 07 '17
While I watch potgs because they're something to look at I WOULD like to remind people that people about something. That something being nobody on this sub knows what they're talking about in terms of "serious competitive talk". People will still meme on Hanzo's and Mercy's damage still hasn't changed.
All this really does will be to highlight what Jeff said in relation to players trying to be smart about "changing" things. Which is the whole sledgehammer approach.
But do what you will personally I've little interest in competitive because nobody here understands how to have fun in it.
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u/Sdesser Zoning Ult May 08 '17
I like well written walls of text as much as the next guy, but game highlights are a huge part of what I enjoy about Overwatch. Just my opinion though.
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u/nolimit901 D. Va May 07 '17
i dont understand Overwatch, its like you guys have a different subreddit to talk about all the things in the game, one for casuals (with highlights, one for the pro scene ect (but without the highlights) ... comming from CSGO, i dont get this, we have one subreddit, for anything about the game, pro scene mix with casual, we allow hilights to learn new smoke and great gamesplays ect... idk what is wrong with the OW community
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u/ScrubLordNoob Ready to go WHOLE HOG! May 07 '17
I think it is safe to say that the OW community is much more casual than the CSGO community.
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u/Overwatch_dv May 07 '17
I don't like this change. It means highlights won't appear on my front page, which I enjoy watching. It also means they'll expire after a day, so I'll see fewer of them, and become much less searchable. I know some people don't like seeing highlights, but there's /r/competitiveoverwatch for serious discussions and other "more focussed" stuff. I think this sub should be more broadly for anything the community likes, and highlight threads are highly upvoted for a good reason: people like them.
I used a throwaway because I know this is going to get heavily downvoted. But I wanted to express my opinion.
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May 07 '17
I think this sub should be more broadly for anything the community likes, and highlight threads are highly upvoted for a good reason: people like them.
uff.... It got explained already 123801282313214123309 times.
Highlights are easy to consume content, it require the time of watching the potg (aka from 5 to 15 seconds) reading a well detailed post that's maybe long, a wall of text, despite people would like them and have one of the best content even written, hardly get in the front page and it's a content that require 1-2 minutes to consume so... most of the people doesn't even read because they are lazy and leave the post without liking or disliking.
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u/Asoxus Pharah May 08 '17
You might think that that's a good representation of what content this particular subreddit values more, surely?
If people wanted to see walls of text more than gameplay content, then walls of text should be at the front page.
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u/Cuwoihdje May 07 '17 edited May 07 '17
Awesome!Thank you ! Didn't think you can make such a big change and i glad to see it's coming.
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u/SpriteGuy_000 Washington Justice May 07 '17
And that is why we are trialing it only. We understand that discussions happen no matter what kind of thread it is, but wanted to see what the effect would be of a sticky highlight thread.
We are encouraging everybody who likes/dislikes it to pay close attention and give feedback at the end.
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u/i-wear-hats BEEP BOOP FUCK THE OWL May 07 '17
Sub's going full esports.
I do not like it, no sir.
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u/SpriteGuy_000 Washington Justice May 07 '17
Esports was not listed in the announcement at all. :)
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u/i-wear-hats BEEP BOOP FUCK THE OWL May 08 '17
Doesn't change what you're trying to do. Doesn't change that you got fuckers asking for exceptions for esports.
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u/Asoxus Pharah May 08 '17
We saw this happen in /r/Halo too, the eSports crowd demanding changes there too.
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u/scottishdrunkard Shit's on fire, yo! May 07 '17
I'm thinking weekly would be better, less stress on the mods. But anyway, THANK YOU!
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u/AJWesty May 07 '17
Fantastic news. Honestly this subreddit was starting to bore the hell out of me due to only posting highlight clips.
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u/Dylanjosh Pixel Zarya May 07 '17
There's going to be potential drama when this rule comes into effect and I won't lie, I'm kind of excited
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u/ScrubLordNoob Ready to go WHOLE HOG! May 07 '17
I'm not against this change, but I can say that I won't be interested in the kind of content people are trying to bring forward. I'm not into esports and discussion of the game mechanics and balance in a subreddit with such a wide skill range can only devolve into highly skilled players dismissing lower skill players, or a fight of opinions that has no substance. It works over at r/cow because it is aimed at high level play. But as a plat player totally comfortable with my ranking, I stand almost nothing to gain from these discussions. An exception to this is of course new suggestions for hero kits, map mechanics ... I look forward to these, but I'm not getting my hopes up, even in the more serious subs they are not very prominent.
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u/daTomoT RIP Roadhog 2k17 May 07 '17
I'm excited for this! Sure it won't immediately create a wealth of organised discussion threads but hopefully it will prove a step in the right direction.
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u/imageofdeception Orisa May 07 '17
THANK YOU! Highlights are great and all but I always have to sift through some pretty lackluster ones (no offense y'all) for the content I'm looking for
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u/Xaxxon May 07 '17
Thank you so much. This will allow other types of content to have a shot at getting some attention.
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u/Fordeka Dallas Fuel May 07 '17
I'm glad this is coming. The top post right in in r/overwatch is this with almost 6k upvotes- a widow getting some headshots- it is a textbook example of the low-quality highlight spam that ruins this sub.
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u/SinisterPixel Hey Daddy-o! May 09 '17
Given that it's now at 9000 upvotes, I'm pretty sure the majority disagree that it doesn't add to the sub.
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u/Fordeka Dallas Fuel May 09 '17
I think on some subs upvotes don't mean much other than 'I saw something pretty so I upvoted it'.
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May 07 '17
Thank you for doing this. I'm sure it's not going to be easy removing all the highlight gifs that will be posted by people who won't read this thread. It's definitely much needed though, 90% of the front page is highlights and that's made the sub kind of dry.
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u/feureau Tracer May 07 '17
What qualifies as highlight and must go to highlight threads btw?
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u/i-wear-hats BEEP BOOP FUCK THE OWL May 07 '17
All things that'd be tagged as highlights right now, I'd say.
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u/Verpous Assessing flair: not funny May 07 '17
I like the highlights, but I'm open to experimenting. What I can definitely say is this change will suck if nothing is done to reduce fan content posts. Last time we tried to reduce highlights, the result was that more than half of the front page was fan content which is only remotely Overwatch-related, promotes even less discussion than highlight posts, and is frankly just not as interesting for me at least, but I think for most people.
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u/gingerzak Genji May 08 '17
oh finally we will get better discussion here instead of the circlejerk of "OH HEY LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE MEMED TODAY"
THAAAAAAAAAANK YOU FOR THIS IDEA
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u/Draaxus May 08 '17
OBJECTION!!!
... I actually don't have a reason for objecting, I actually like this and I just thought about Phoenix Wright when I saw the word trial.
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u/LemonLovingBro Lemon Lover May 08 '17
Will save me automatically clicking highlights on the subreddit filters every time i get to the front page _^
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u/Asoxus Pharah May 08 '17
I think all that was needed to combat the constant stream of gameplay clips is a rule addition.
Change rule #4 for all it matters. "Low quality posts not allowed" including shitposting and low quality gameplay posts.
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u/Tomtomi Look at this team! We're gonna do great. May 08 '17
First of all thanks for starting this trial. :) It'll be imteresting to see the results in weeks time.
And now some feedback: while I am not the biggest fan of endless stream of highlights cluttering the front page, I do enjoy checking them from time to time and getting a chuckle out of it. However, I mainly use reddit on mobile (not app but mobile browser), and the highlight thread is an absolute pain to view on mobile with opening new tabs and page refreshing and trying to scroll your way back to where you left of. I never thought much of the preview pictures for highlights but I've now realized that for me they are a big part of my decision to click on a highlight. Capslock written links just don't get me intriqued enough. I probably won't be checking highlights too much with the new system. Probably not a huge loss, just my two cents.
Have you thought about a system where people would have a specific day for highlight posting? Many other subs I follow have a "x day to post y content" that is not allowed on any other days. It might be interesting to see something like "highlight Saturday" or something along those lines, though I am not sure how implementable a system like this would be considered the sheer size of our subreddit and the amount of said content.
Thanks again for the trial mods, keep up the good work!
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u/ni-THiNK Fuck Mei. May 09 '17
I think it's a step in the right direction but pushing highlights all in to one thread isn't the way, my problem with the sub happens when garbage highlights flood the front page and good highlights either actual value or with something genuinely interesting that hasn't been done a million times before.
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u/Sezhe May 10 '17
My 2c - Not a fan of the change. There are other subreddits for serious discussions, which seems to be what the vocal minority are calling for /r/Overwatch to become. A lot of people seem to enjoy checking this subreddit for quick videos/gifs, some are funny, some are informative, some are boring reposts.
Now it's just uninteresting (to me) "discussions", complaints, random links to something someone's grandmother said, etc. Navigating the highlight thread is annoying compared to how it was previously. Hope the change doesn't stay permanently.
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u/three7cz D.Va May 10 '17
The Overwatch free trial runs from May 1 until May 31, and is only available for PC. http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/799988/Overwatch-PTR-update-and-patch-notes-Blizzard-confirming-new-changes-in-1-11
So no EU trial? :(
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u/162northsmusic May 12 '17
Overwatch Competitive Gamer - [First Stream] https://www.twitch.tv/jordanski22
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u/LightSamus Cute Moira May 14 '17
I know I'm late given this thread's been up a week but don't change the way the sub is because of the minority. We literally have filters at the side that are OPTIONAL that serve the exact purpose you're trying to shove down our throats without a say.
I guarantee if you put up a poll and actually asked the community whether they wanted highlights visible or not, it would lean hugely to the side of "keep them".
Stop being so ham-fisted.
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u/Deranox Trick-or-Treat Winston May 07 '17
A good change since all I see here are highlights which is getting annoying because most of them aren't even something that special. BUT, I would suggest that you put the top 3 of the day (most upvotes) back here for people to see.
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u/M7-97 Ze healing is not as revarding as ze hurting May 07 '17
I'm looking forward to this. Highlights aren't bad per se and I kinda liked them, but there are too many of them to read this sub without filtering them out.
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May 07 '17
It's a highlight either way, so it belongs in this daily thread they're making. Unless they go ahead and make a exports highlight thread for a longer time, say a month or so. Then everyone will be abiding by this new system. If it's going to be in place, everyone needs to follow, no one should get special treatment.
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u/Evil_phd Pixel Bastion May 07 '17
Can't say I like this proposed change. I'll probably spend a lot less time on the sub and I don't even really go for highlights.
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u/ledivin Mercy May 07 '17
Someone message me when the trial is reverted, because I guess I'm unsubbing till then. Oh well, you were good while you lasted /r/overwatch.
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u/zonq May 07 '17
Obviously, you're free to un/sub whenever you like, but with almost 850k subs we won't notice single people unsubbing. We won't even notice a few k people unsubbing probably. But we will definitely notice a few k comments telling us that they don't like the change. So with taking part in the discussion you can achieve way, way more than with just unsubbing.
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u/mendia Pixel Doomfist May 07 '17
I like this change a lot. Everyday this sub would be full of POTGs that weren't very impressive or something we've all seen/done before hundreds of times at this point. I don't inherently hate highlights, but the sub is spammed with them.
My concern going forward though is that eSports will eventually dominate this sub the way highlights have and all discussion will be focused around it. I have zero interest in OW as an esport and I don't care about professional teams or players.
Will this sub have room for people like me who don't really have an interest in esports, but still want to discuss the game, balance, mechanics, etc?
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u/SpriteGuy_000 Washington Justice May 07 '17
We have filters on the sidebar that you can use to filter out esports if you wish. You can do the same thing with any flair we have, including highlights.
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u/BLUE_____ xD May 08 '17
Thank fucking God.
This subreddit was the worst fucking big game subreddit of all.
ty based mods for getting rid of mindless bullshit
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u/irisflame Chibi Ana May 07 '17 edited May 07 '17
Sorry, but I doubt I'll like this change. I appreciate serious conversation and all, but it was the daily highlights making it to the front of /r/All that piqued my interest in the game. I enjoy perusing all the amusing or impressive highlights every day. :/
If this does become permanent, I'd rather just have an OverwatchHighlights subreddit. It's stupid to have to look through a single thread for entertainment.
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u/SNGGYU :SFShock: San Francisco Shock :SFShock: May 07 '17
but they'll all be in a thread now, sorted by new, best, top, whatever, which will make it a lot more easier for you to see them. content worth reaching /r/All will make it there and will probably catch other people's attention.
If this comes at the expense of the subreddit having less traffic, then so be it, but as of now it feels like everybody is just fishing for karma with a quick play Pharah + Zarya combo which gets upvoted every single time. (Most of us have already seen the 4k Widowmaker play, the shutdown, the lifesaver, the sleepdart over a pit, the Lucio floor is lava, the Gnji 5k, the Hanzo random scatter kills, the Reinhardt flying because of Roadhog's ulti, the Zenyatta who's flanking or that meme with Route 66's attack spawn room, but somehow they're still up there every single day).
Having fun, enjoying the memes, the shitposting and such is a thing, but we're already past that.
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u/Asoxus Pharah May 08 '17
Gameplay content can't reach /r/all if it's a comment on another post though?
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u/DoctorCoolBird wake me up (wake me up inside) May 07 '17
Will it be highlights/potgs only or any and all game footage?
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May 07 '17
I don't but I do like to think that a discussion has more evidence and arguments on either side than pure anecdotes
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u/slaterguy44 May 08 '17
this seems like a weird change, that'll be hard to have people understand if exceptions are made for esports clips, streamers discusing something, and stuff like that.
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u/Jess887cp boo May 07 '17
Gross. I feel like this is the number one way to kill this subreddit, the highlights are the only interesting things to be seen.
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u/Scyther99 I tried being resonable May 07 '17
If you think so then you can just browse the mega thread and be happy.
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Well looks like it's starting, soon there will be no more highlights allowed. FeelsBadMan
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u/turikk Moderator, CSS Guy May 07 '17
Don't be so sure.
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u/SNGGYU :SFShock: San Francisco Shock :SFShock: May 07 '17
why is this being downvoted?
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u/AmazinLarry Pixel Ana May 07 '17
A lot of people here only care about gifs showing people pressing Q against a poorly positioned opponent.
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u/AmazinLarry Pixel Ana May 07 '17
No highlights = a pinned thread at the top for all of them instead of them taking all of the front page all the time.
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u/IncorrectThinking Pixel Ana May 07 '17
I'd really suggest only doing it on specific days and considering applying the same thing to other types of content or creating a new sub to do this in because I'm not sure it'll have a beneficial result if it's in this sub every day.
Why?
Much of the best non-potg makes it to the front page already.
For everything else someplace else already has a better platform for it.
If I want more Competitive Overwatch news/viewpoints I go to the Competitive sub.
If I want to read more about people complaining about things/PSA's I go to the Official Forums.
If I want to see more art/hero concepts I can go to the subs for that.
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u/bearflies GG Sombra throwing May 07 '17
Why not just make a sub for highlights then?
Honestly highlight posts are extremely low effort and with the volume they're posted at, a lot of them are the exact same thing. I'm sick of coming onto this sub every day and seeing the same "Pharah ults a Zarya graviton for 3 kills" over and over. This change needs to happen.
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u/IncorrectThinking Pixel Ana May 07 '17
Because, the majority of the content is that way because the majority likes it and upvotes it.
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u/bearflies GG Sombra throwing May 08 '17
That's sound logic but terrible in practice. Take /r/wow for example. They used to allow transmog posts, but they found that if they did, people would constantly upvote them to the front page and push all other forms of content out, leaving only low effort screenshots of their characters playing dressup.
Sometimes it's best to not let people decide what should be on the sub with their upvotes.
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u/Volteli PMA is a Universal Language! May 07 '17
This is a good change.
Honestly, it gets so tiring coming to this subreddit to see what the Widowmaker clip of the day was, this should help solve it, and bring forward more conversations about the game and its mechanics.
Edit: I don't want highlights banned, not by any stretch, but more controlled and less spam-y
Edit 2: Will esports highlights be removed too?