r/SquaredCircle • u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. • Apr 23 '17
Reddit is doing away with CSS; here's what it means for the sub.
Alright, so this is going to be the first and only time you'll hear me talk about reddit "drama" but I thought the users of r/SquaredCircle should know what's going on (and why we have this icon on the header). Reddit admins have announced, at some point in the next couple of months, that they're going to begin phasing out CSS in favour of "a new system". You can read that announcement here, and it seems as though they're going to try and push ahead despite numerous objections that're being raised in the thread.
So what is this new system? They've been pretty vague on answering that, but all signs suggest less emphasis on uniqueness and more emphasis on consistency. I'm not going to spend this post speculating and guessing about what "system" they have in place and what "widgets" they'd like to add (because apparently Reddit should have the same customization options as my iPhone). What I am going to say, on behalf of the mod team, is this:
We like being able to create custom themes for events like April Fools, Wrestlemania, Bound for Glory, and Wrestle Kingdom. We like being able to provide you with flairs (even the Kenny Omega one!). We like the konami code. We like being able to sidebar upcoming PPVs, and highlight posts in our announcement bar. We like our quote bar, and our arrow text. We like easter eggs. We like being able to filter posts. We like our stupid sidebar pictures. But what we really like is that YOU like them.
Other moderators have spoken out against it and will continue to do so because this effects reddit as a whole. In short, all of us like providing all of you with the stuff admins have deemed "not the future" of Reddit.
Will we still be able to provide you all of this stuff after the update? Not likely. One thing I've learned through my years of CSS, web and graphic design is that making a system more "accessible" normally means limiting it's functionality to the point where an idiot can use it. In theory it works great because anyone can make a "professional" looking subreddit. In practice they're taking away the tools that we learn and use to make create a unique sub and they're cutting the balls off the people who work hard to make this place something SPECIAL for YOU.
So yeah.. we don't really know where to go from here. It's hard planning updates with an axe swinging over our heads waiting to drop. Before the announcement, I was in the midst of coding a portion of the sub that'd allow us to include a shuffling roster of snoos down at the bottom and whipped up these new ones. I was working on a revamped night mode theme with a bray wyatt snoo and firefly background. I was working on a table that would've allowed you to see the G1 brackets/point totals during the tournament. Hell, I have an entire subreddit design ready to go for when the Undertaker "officially" announces his retirement.. but all that work will be useless in a few months now! We hope the admins will step up and make a site wide announcement soon, as opposed to just notifying the mods (on the mod subreddit no less). In the meantime we'll try and keep you in the loop as best we can. If you'd like to speak out against the changes, please contact the admins. All we ask that you do it in a respectful manner. Hysterics, witch-hunting, and name calling is the easiest way to get your opinions invalidated on this topic.
I know that this is a lot to take in and digest, and I hate that you have to hear it from the mods of your respective communities, but that's the way this is being handled I guess. In the meantime, thanks for listening and thanks for being an awesome community.
ELI5 what CSS is: CSS is short of "Cascading Style Sheet". Take this as a framework for example. Add a bit of code, and you can change the header to be taller, add another little bit and you can make the rules into a dropdown menu, etc. etc. We use CSS to make filters, flairs, PPV calendars, special themes, our quote bar, announcement bar, etc.
TL;DR: Reddit has announced phasing out CSS customization in favour of something simpler. They're being vague on what they're replacing it with, and have stated it's less about customization and more about site-wide consistency (ie: subs will look similar and have minimal things distinguishing them from one another).
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u/The_Moustache SNEK Apr 23 '17
Really dumb. CSS isn't hard to learn and it takes away from us, as a community and meshes everything together for the sake of mobile views.
Unbelievably stupid to remove CSS
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u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. Apr 23 '17
CSS isn't hard to learn and it takes away from us.
Which is funny because one of the reasons why they're doing away with it is, and i quote, "CSS is a pain in the ass: it’s difficult to learn; it’s error-prone; and it’s time consuming."
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u/The_Moustache SNEK Apr 23 '17
Its a really stupid excuse
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u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. Apr 23 '17
All of the excuses seem kinda stupid. Don't make a case for mobile users when your app sucks and has two methods of customization (a banner and an icon).
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u/PiplupTCG "Big Breakfast" Baron "Main Event" Corbin Apr 23 '17
Why wouldn't they just make it so you can use either the new system, or CSS? Why do away with CSS entirely?
I just don't get it
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u/The_Moustache SNEK Apr 23 '17
Dumbing things down for the sake of the mobile apps, plain and simple
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u/erikwidi Listen, fuckhead Apr 24 '17
I always use reddit with CSS turned off, however I understand the frustration from people who enjoy the custom themes.
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u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. Apr 24 '17
Are you telling me all those shoutouts I've been giving you on the header have been for nothing? :(
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u/PiplupTCG "Big Breakfast" Baron "Main Event" Corbin Apr 23 '17
Well that's really fucking stupid of them
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u/TheDangiestSlad Apr 23 '17
it's crazy, the announcement thread has almost ALL negative feedback
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u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. Apr 23 '17
As it should. I mean, I get that people are always afraid of new things, but the writing is on the wall that this is gonna go over like a fart in church. You have almost a hundred people who KNOW and WORK ON this stuff telling them that it's a bad idea.. but whatever, right?
Widgets? I mean, seriously.. I started learning about HTML on geocities and did you know what people did with widgets? They fucking spammed them because they thought "Hey! This is cool! I can get a page counter for my 14 views!". So how do you prevent people from spamming them then? Does reddit limit the number you can use? Alright, so we have a dropdown menu for rules... what about our event thread times? Or our "latest event thread" index? What about our PPV schedule?
Are they going to make us choose which ones are important enough to keep?
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u/MokiMokiKing BAH GAWD Apr 23 '17
What a heel turn
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u/PiplupTCG "Big Breakfast" Baron "Main Event" Corbin Apr 23 '17
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u/chaoticmessiah #Blissfit Apr 23 '17
It's basically like Jericho's 2008 heel turn, when he stripped away all the flashy shit fans loved and went basic and monotonous to piss people off.
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u/jaxspider Apr 23 '17
Thank you for the support! Its greatly appreciated.
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u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. Apr 24 '17
The way I see it, we're all in this together.
Thanks for organizing everyone into one place.
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u/kentucky210 *Does Stupid Bump* Apr 23 '17
One big thing is that it's possible this new system replacing css fucks with the flairs so much that we will no longer have a Kenny Omega Flair or a Becky Lynch flair
It's that serious...
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u/Anonim97 10th november 2011 worst day of my life. Apr 23 '17
Oh, sińce You're already answering questions, could I ask who is the little guy on the mobile page? (Next to header and white rhomb.)
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u/kentucky210 *Does Stupid Bump* Apr 23 '17
little confused with the question, do you mean the snoo with blue and orange or is a different thing
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u/Anonim97 10th november 2011 worst day of my life. Apr 23 '17
Oh, sorry for not making it clear enough. I meant this little guy.
EDIT: No, but seriously I meant this one.
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u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. Apr 23 '17 edited Apr 24 '17
That's Crush brah!
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u/PiplupTCG "Big Breakfast" Baron "Main Event" Corbin Apr 23 '17
What about the Jinder flairs? Can they stay?
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u/kentucky210 *Does Stupid Bump* Apr 23 '17
Jinder flairs maybe the first to go, reddit admins have shown very little to make me confident that they won't hinder jinder.
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u/john_the_quain Apr 23 '17
Didn't Reddit get big because people bailed on Digg when Digg overhauled the UI and everyone hated it?
Christ, who books this shit?
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u/pissedoffnobody Apr 24 '17
Yup. Some folks bailed on Tumblr when they updated their UI twice as well.
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u/MisterTruth Doesn't know what day it is Apr 23 '17
It's like the admins have absolutely no clue what makes this site good so they're just going to do everything possible to make things more attractive to advertisers.
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u/pissedoffnobody Apr 23 '17
"We're only worth 600 million, damnit! How the fuck am I going to afford more than one island at this rate? I had to eat at a 2 star Michelin restaurant last night, do you know how humiliated I felt?"
I imagine they want to get into that Billionaires Boys Club a lot sooner without realising they may not if the UI gets fucked up, I've stopped using other social media when they started demanding more info and changed their UI too much for me to keep trying to figure out the updates, I'll do the same here if it becomes a pain in the arse to figure out.
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Apr 23 '17
Tbf reddit feels big but it has never made a profit and has the revenue of a smallish company. It's also filled mostly with white male nerds who want everything free, are too smart to buy crap perks, and use ad-blocks up the ass.
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Apr 23 '17
If there's anything wrestling fans are good at, it's hijacking big companies poor decisions. Let's make it happen again lads.
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u/Silveroc RING THE BELL Apr 23 '17
#CANCELREDDITNETWORK
I'll be honest that hashtag is the only thing I know to do in these situations.
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u/TheDangiestSlad Apr 23 '17
Every time the admins post, we should turn our backs on our computers!
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u/NotNotJustinBieber Apr 24 '17
The admins have Roman Reigns heat right now.
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u/Blue_Aegis Your Sext Here Apr 24 '17
Admins taking a page out of WWE's book and fixing something that both isn't broke and is wildly successful.
...Did Vince McMahon buy Reddit while I wasn't looking?
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u/ziggy434 Best Girl Apr 24 '17
Wait, wait, wait... what's the all-time top post in this sub? Who's that person married to?
This is the conspiracy R-Truth was warning us about....
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u/thatpj Squadd Mode Apr 23 '17
stupid reddit always trying to fix what isnt broken
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u/Ice_Cold345 Beatin' That Bigga Cass. Apr 23 '17
It reeks of them trying to be like Facebook / Twitter (especially their stupid profile bullshit) because rather than trying to be unique in their ways of making Reddit profitable, they just copy and paste other websites.
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u/IMakeInfantsCry Arguably ! Arguably ! Arguably ! Apr 23 '17
Out with the old, and in with the snoo.
... That sounded much better in my head.
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Apr 24 '17
I say we all pack our shit and start our own sub over at PornHub
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u/luchadorachamp Apr 24 '17
pornhub lowkey has the best commenting community; everyone is so chill there
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u/ColorfulCrayons Dutt's on the gas! Apr 23 '17
They're taking away subs individuality and it's really fucking stupid. I mean come on, admins. Time to pull your heads put of your asses again.
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u/TheDuckyNinja Apr 24 '17
https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/66q4is/the_web_redesign_css_and_mod_tools/#dgkfesa
So...they announced that there's going to be a change, but also that there might not be a change, and that it's going to happen, but it might not happen.
Emmalina debut confirmed...?
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u/SaintRidley Empress of the Asuka division Apr 24 '17
The makeover of Reddit to Redditlina. Coming soon.
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u/TheHeroicOnion You know nothing, John Cone. Apr 23 '17
Reddit will become Facebook eventually
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u/ColorfulCrayons Dutt's on the gas! Apr 23 '17
That's what that stupid following profiles leads me to believe.
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u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot brb booking myself to win the title Apr 24 '17
I was working on a revamped night mode theme with a bray wyatt snoo and firefly background.
Holy shit this sounds awesome
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u/Citeh Apr 23 '17
They think this change will bring new users in...but ultimately it will do the opposite.
This will kill communities on reddit.
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u/calvinballMVP Apr 23 '17
My very first post in SC was about the cool stuff in the subreddit you can see when you are logged in. It will really suck if they take that ability away from you. I really like the special graphics for PPV's and all the other fun things you folks do.
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u/Nexgod2 NEW DAY LOVES THE KIDS! Apr 23 '17
Mods with one of the biggest face turns in SquaredCircle history. Thanks for looking out for us.
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u/the_gift_of_g2j Drink it in man Apr 24 '17
Reddit mods....
Do you know what happens when you fuck with our flairs? Do ya?
Do you know what happens to people who fuck with our banners and dumbs down Reddit?
Reddit mods......
clicks pen
YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!
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u/quirkyblah38 Apr 24 '17
without all these flairs and custom themes and everything reddit will be BROKEN once CSS is rendered OBSOLETE
much like matt strongly dislikes mustard, i strongly dislike this. I personally love the amount of time and effort you put into making these brilliant themes, and sometimes i'll see a specialised sidebar image that will tell me 'oh shit went down today' or it'll remind me of an awesome moment in general. the idea of this new system getting rid of all that is just shit.
i hate it when really awesome things have to change.
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u/AstroZombie95 The champ buys the beers Apr 23 '17
So they just want to make everything look a lot more boring. That sucks.
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Apr 24 '17
That sounds lame. I like how all of my different subs look distinct from one another. It makes the site unique.
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Apr 24 '17
I don't think this will affect my usage of reddit personally but I don't see the big advantage in changing it either.
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u/Dandelegion Old Man Yells At Cloud! Apr 24 '17
It can make it easier to view on mobile (assuming you don't use an app, which I could see how some people wouldn't), gives an all around easier user experience for everyone that frequents multiple subs, and an easier user experience for people with disabilities.
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u/Michaelphelpsisquick Ole Ole Ole Ole Apr 24 '17
Stuff like this is why /u/Spez is a millionaire who should be a billionaire
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u/MrWikzu410 Louuuuuuuuser! Apr 24 '17
You want to know why he's not a millionare?
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u/Michaelphelpsisquick Ole Ole Ole Ole Apr 24 '17
Cause he surrounds himself with glad handing nonsensical yes men like /u/knOthing
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Apr 24 '17
Why can't we have both? Have an option in the settings for whether you want to use CSS or "widgets" on the site and everything's fine. I'd hate to see reddit get "dumbed down" like it's Big Poppa Pump talking to white trash.
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u/Ripclawe Apr 23 '17 edited Apr 23 '17
I mean from a business PoV I get it because that is what Youtube and Facebook, twitter did but creative wise its going to just look the same. But no one wants to end up getting MySpaced.
Even if they go with widgets that mimic somehow what we have now, most of the cool functionality is gone.
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u/Ice_Cold345 Beatin' That Bigga Cass. Apr 23 '17
Reddit getting rid of the CSS is so fucking stupid. Like, /r/anime would be kill without the COMMENT FACES.
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u/LordZarasophos Apr 24 '17
Maybe check out /r/proCSS if you want to protest against this change. We're trying to organise everyone.
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u/ComplexChristian WELCOME BACK STARDUST Apr 24 '17
I'm a web designer by profession... who in their right mind would phase out CSS?!?!
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Apr 24 '17
That whole admin announcement is such a joke. You can't replace CSS in web-design, like, CSS is just how websites work. Its like saying you're going to do away with HTML. The only thing they can mean is, as the mods here suggest, giving access only to a small selection of pre-set CSS/HTML templates/widgets that basically limits customization severely.
They also say that CSS is "web-only" and doesn't work on mobile which is, quite literally, a flat out lie.
There's also this little nugget:
CSS is a pain in the ass: it’s difficult to learn; it’s error-prone; and it’s time consuming.
Which makes it sound like they want to get rid of CSS just because its annoying to work with at times (which it is, but to say its difficult to learn or error-prone is also just flat out bullshit.)
The whole admin announcement is steeped in vagueness and falsehoods and its just a complete piece of PR-written bullshit. What they're really trying to say is "we're fucking you over to make lives easier for ourselves but we want to try and sell it to you like its a good thing."
Disgusting behaviour frankly, but very common among websites/web-based platforms for several years now.
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u/deworde Apr 24 '17
it is, but to say its difficult to learn or error-prone is also just flat out bullshit
Spoken as someone who doesn't have to deal with maintaining 30 other people's css...
I mean, it's worth the cost, but let's not kid ourselves that reddit doesn't get support requests with "subreddit broken" that turn out to be a css issue constantly.
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Apr 23 '17
I'm having flashbacks to YouTube's shitty "one channel" redesign from 2013, basically stripping any creativity out of channel pages.
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u/ZeroAFDSDA Apr 23 '17
It will only be crap, whatever it is. The only 'innovation' Reddit has made in years is the crappy mobile site that reminds me of shitty wap sites from the 00s (meanwhile better websites use one adaptive layout) that took them fucking years to even get close to completion. Oh and of course, there is the innovation of fucking with the vote and ranking system and making this website even less trustworthy than before. I can only hope that this sparks the last great Reddit migration to somewhere else, this sub is 99% the only I use Reddit these days, I honestly wouldn't mind if this community moved elsewhere.
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u/TheStarkGuy 29.95 at Sears Apr 23 '17
Haven't other websites met their end with massive stupid changes like this?
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Apr 23 '17
I was working on a revamped night mode theme with a bray wyatt snoo and firefly background
As a constant user of Night Mode, this excites me. Now it may be cruelly ripped away :'(
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Apr 24 '17
99% of the time, I'm on reddit using Alien Blue. I won't notice a difference, and even if I did, I personally wouldn't care.
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u/z0mbieBrainz Professional That Gives a Shit Apr 24 '17
Now I'm never getting my Nigga Taker flair.
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Apr 24 '17
There's over 1 million subreddits and we're in the top 400. I feel like we a pretty big voice.
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u/columbo527 Apr 23 '17
I wish some people would realize that not all change is good or necessary, but I guess I'll eventually learn to accept to vanilla landscape of our new bland board. With that being said I appreciate you guys put into making the themes interesting and fun around here and I'm sorry that some of your hard work will most likely go to waste.
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u/chaoticmessiah #Blissfit Apr 23 '17
I guess I'll eventually learn to accept to vanilla landscape of our new bland board.
Yep, which is unfortunate.
Bunch of fuckin' vanilla widgets - Kevin Nash, 2017
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Apr 24 '17
Personally I always turn CSS off because I think it makes everything look like a shitty Myspace page but it sucks that they are taking away the option for people who enjoy it.
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u/Riccipad The Zayniacs Friend Club Apr 24 '17
I prefer using Reddit on the web versus apps because this is a communicative place and I am better at typing on an old fashioned keyboard. CSS enhances the experience on almost every major sub, many of which have atmospheric layouts that have probably consumed so many hours of labor and love.
Sure, the younger crowd of Internet might be more in favor of the Two Thumb typing method and therefore probably already prefer using Reddit via app, but this is something I almost exclusively use through my computer. I stand with you guys, and all my other mods on other subs, on this issue. I hope the Vince's behind Reddit book the right match make the right call.
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u/_Nearmint Apr 24 '17
To be honest, out of all the subs I visit, this and a handful of others make good use of CSS, many of the others are too "busy" and bloated.
Also, we don't know what the new system will be like so for now I'm not going to be upset.
I like the style of the sub but I come for the content.
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u/THISISDAM Kicking out at 2 on the reg Apr 24 '17
This will be tape #7 in my 13 reasons
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u/VegasKL Apr 24 '17
Although I'd hate to see each sub lose their identity. They aren't taking away CSS (that's an internet standard), they're taking a subs ability to customize the CSS.
I can understand Reddit's position here. Right now, most of the custom CSS is never seen seen by mobile users - mobile has quickly overtaken the desktop for usage the past few years.
They probably want to unify the experience so that they can allow for some customization of the mobile view. Providing a settings toolset allows them to more easily do that because they can test their setting options and will know it will work across 99% of devices.
Just my 2 cents.
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u/sternlook Innovator of the Insidious Apr 24 '17
I'm on mobile and I always switch to the desktop view; I hate the "mobile-friendly" version of Reddit.
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u/Sonic_Boom98 *looks at chicken* How you doin'? Apr 23 '17
Don't add paint to a masterpiece. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Don't ruin a good thing.
Seriously, Reddit. What are you doing? Heel turn of the century.
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Apr 24 '17
Ultimately, there one thing I still can't gather.
Why?
Most of the sites subreddits have unique an diverse CSS to help separate them from each other and given them all a unique identity of their own.
This is literally them developing a problem by attempting to solve an issue that doesn't exist.
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u/SchereSee Apr 24 '17
As a mobile user I have to say I'm interested in what that ominous new system will bring, because I don't see a lot of customization the way things are right now
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u/I_Said Your Text Here Apr 24 '17
VOAT is about to add "CSS Protestors" to the list of members. Quite an eclectic mix over there.
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u/godrestsinreason If there's ever the time for a yes chant it's now Apr 24 '17
Voat seems to be the TNA of Reddit, when Bischoff and Hogan took over. It just seems like everything is some sort of defensive reaction to Reddit. You can't just go to Voat and post there, because no matter what, you have people who have to bring up how much they hate Reddit.
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u/SmaMan788 Day One is H Apr 25 '17
OMG they're trying to make people use the mobile app.
By making (the blantantly superior) desktop Reddit operate just like it!
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u/itcouldhappen1 Apr 25 '17
ugh... why would they want "site wide consistency"? that sounds terrible for a site that has subreddits for pretty much everything you can imagine... having them stand out is part of the uniqueness and awesomeness of reddit... did someone buy reddit and decide to fuck up everything that made it cool?
i kind of relate to the south park goth kids right now... freaking conformists...
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u/vocalyouth NOT A NUGGET Apr 25 '17
Reddit was one of the few places that still feels very wild west-style "old internet". Mostly because of all of the customizations that subreddits have. "Unified experiences" are fine but in the case of reddit, I think they will strip out a lot of the personality that makes this site unique.
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u/stenebralux Captain Continuously Charismatic Apr 23 '17
Ok... let me see if I got this...
So WWE is in charge of reddit now?
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Apr 25 '17
they are bold face lying about it too.
"It’s web-only. Increasing users are viewing Reddit on mobile (over 50%), where CSS is not supported. We’d love for you to be able to bring your spice to phones as well."
that's a lie. CSS works perfectly fine on mobile browsers as it does on Desktop.
"CSS is a pain in the ass: it’s difficult to learn; it’s error-prone; and it’s time consuming."
no it isn't. its easy as fuck. its all simple stuff that can be learned overnight. and since you are on the web, guess what you can do? google it.
"Some changes cause confusion (such as changing the subscription numbers)."
that should be in no way a CSS issue.
"CSS causes us to move slow. We’d like to make changes more quickly. You’ve asked us to improve things, and one of the things that slows us down is the risk of breaking subreddit CSS (and third-party mod tools)."
why do you care about TP mod tools, that's not your responsibility. what you do is have a test site, and you show the new stuff to the mods early so they can make the appropriate changes.
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u/Beer52_JT Apr 23 '17
what is css
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u/Jacobs_Bawks EL. IDOLO. Apr 23 '17
A language that modifies appearence. Without CSS you'll just have a plain white page with blue links and black text.
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u/lyyki Greg Davies Apr 23 '17
It's the thing that determines how web pages look.
HTML is the content (the actual text & images etc.)
CSS is the way content looks (the size of the text, colors, borders etc.)
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u/SgtDrP3pp3rs You Smell Apr 23 '17
Reddit Admins right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDw1nECBqN8
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u/MordecaiXLII Tweeting his displeasure Apr 24 '17
I'm guessing they'll implement their own tool for mods to create CSS without having to put their hands in actual CSS code.
Let's just see what options they are going to give...
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u/CptES Apr 24 '17
I remember Myspace doing something similar. More importantly, I remember how that turned out.
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Apr 25 '17
Reddit is basically MySpace now. They want to be facebook. I personally click away from allowing custom themes. I'm sure they keep track of how many do. SC isn't bad but other subs are. It's probably just easier to make a blank statement
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u/Van_Chamberlin Crazzy Steve Apr 24 '17
I finally got my Crazzy Steve flair and now Reddit wants to take it away?
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u/blazinbobby Apr 24 '17
I don't care about any of that at the moment. What are the mods for this sub going to do about the Jinder Mahal shit circlejerk posts that keep flooding the timeline?
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u/jaykhunter @OSWreview Apr 24 '17
It's Bebo -> Facebook all over again! Colourful unique pages changing to dreary consistency. It's like 2008! Hey, so's TNA right now
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u/copilot0910 Best. Belt. Ever. Apr 25 '17
So we have 2 years and then we're fucked?
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u/ABloodlust1998 *evil laughter* Apr 24 '17
So, subs will lose all personality and become boring? It's cena part 2
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u/Nickleback4life Apr 24 '17
Reddit wants you to click on their ads and their ads only.
Where we moving to fellas?
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u/EnvyKira Apr 25 '17
First facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and now this????
Why do every social media company feel like they need to add some new content in their stuff when they DON'T NEED TO! EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT BEFORE YOU PUT JUNK IN YOUR STUFF AND PISS EVERYBODY OFF! QUIT DOING THAT AND MAYBE YOUR WEBSITES MIGHT NOT BE GETTING SO MUCH BAD REPS BECAUSE OF UNNEED CRAP BEING INSTALLED IN YOUR PROGRAMS! THIS IS WHY YOUTUBERS ARE QUITING MAKING VIDEOS BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIND SUCCESS DUE TO YOUTUBE'S CRAPPY NEW SYSTEM! Ugh.... Good lord....
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u/sand-which kenny lo-meinga Apr 25 '17
because corporations need to move forward. Growth in numbers demands growth in employees demands growth in actual work done. Capitalism lol
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Apr 23 '17
Reddit jumped the carp. 100,000 strong against this Obamanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KvZ-KQWuJM
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u/going_mad If you like sports entertainment gimme a Hell Yeah!!! Apr 24 '17
Spez revealed as the higher power....
IT WAS ME KENTUCKY210....IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!!
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u/bri-onicle Fan since 1984 Apr 24 '17
Well, it isn't as though more than half of the sub never updated their flairs anyway after the new ones came about.
Regardless, I'll miss the look here, though I do understand the reasoning behind it.
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u/Necramonium my flair is interesting Apr 24 '17
So they are going the Youtube way, giving users less options to make your own channel stand out vs the rest.
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u/Gr3yF0xx Apr 25 '17
Don't normally comment here but those snuus look awesome. Now I know what the hell that alien thing is named. Carry on.
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Apr 25 '17
Reddit board meeting:
"Can we make our site bland and boring like Facebook?"
"Advertisers seem to love bland and boring shit."
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u/GunnieGraves Brodie Forever Apr 24 '17
"Hey, should we do something about terrible subreddits like picsofdeadkids or watchpeopledie? What about The Donald?"
"Nah, too hard. Let's fuck with the layout instead."
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u/Cottonmist Bwak Bwak Apr 23 '17
So what is this new system?
Haha, I don't even know what the fuck CSS is.
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Apr 24 '17
Simple answer: It's a way to make web pages look pretty without changing the foundation of the actual page. Its kind of like creating a special skin for a web page.
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u/PsYcHoSeAn Gimme more bonehead plays! Apr 23 '17
Never touch a running system.
Whenever people try to hype up a change it ends up being awful.
Don't change stuff....just leave it be.
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u/trapjaw9920 Apr 24 '17
This really sucks. I've thought for a long time that this place has had some really slick and excellent themes and I've enjoyed all of the work that has been put in to make things look that way.
As somebody who's designed a lot of shit and was trained for it... this is one of the big reasons I stopped. The constant push to fix shit that isn't broken just for the sake of keeping people busy.
It was always my opinion that something that's designed well doesn't NEED constant changing and updates if it's doing it's job and people are happy with it. I'm all for small changes as actually NEEDED, but there is no way I see this not leading to more anger among the users and mods than anything.
You're taking a huge risk with this one, because if people don't like it, they'll find someplace else. You're not damage-proof just because you have a an ungodly shitload of users.
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u/ApexRedditr SCJ & ZFF is 4 4 4 4 incels Apr 24 '17
In general, I'm against this change. As someone that runs a few subs, and love spending time working on CSS for them (though lately not so much), I think it's fucking bullshit. I think this is a fundamental feature of Reddit and the admins are making a total mistake.
That said, and I know you guys spend a lot of effort on this subs CSS, I'm generally in favour of this sub going this way, simply for the sake that whilst you do a good job overall, there are many QOL issues with the CSS here that bug me every day. I'd prefer that you were able to sort it out yourself rather than being forced into it, but so far my requests for modifications have fallen on deaf ears, so maybe this change would help in cases like this.
But again, I'm completely against the change overall.
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u/lilskittlesfan Apr 23 '17
Hopefully the new system works better than CSS. They make a great point about phone users and it would be nice to have some changes there since most subreddits don't seem to do much (or can't do too much) with that, which is noticeable when reporting comments at least. I'm gonna hold my judgement until I see what they have in store but either way I hope subreddits can still be unique.
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u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. Apr 24 '17
The key word is "hopefully".
The issue that people are taking with it is that they're not really explaining what's being taken away, what's being added, how they're planning to implement it, when it's going to be done, and they've forgone any criticism of it by just saying "CSS isn't the future, it's easier for us (ie: the people employed by reddit) if we did away with it. You're either on board or you're not".
You can see how that can ruffle a few feathers.
One of the things that I find the most perplexing about the mobile argument is their lackluster app, and the allowance of CSS customization for mobile users. They've really shown no indication that this is something they cared about, and now it's one of the top reasons for the change apparently.
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u/BlueThunderBomb THE BASTARD Apr 23 '17
All right so they want to get rid of CSS for their mobile app, which barely anyone actually uses, while desktop users get screwed over.
WELL LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING JACK, ME AND ALL THE OTHER FORMER WRESTLECIRCUS SIDESHOW CHAMPIONS HAVE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY DUDE.
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Apr 24 '17
What is CSS?
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literally just typed out a response for someone else lol
anyways, CSS is one giant code, that looks like this that makes the sub look like it is. People who are more coding literate can give you more specifics, but what we do with it gives us a bunch of different looks of the sub, as seen in the body of the post. With the admins getting rid of it, the sub will basically be a cookie cutter design with all the other subreddits.
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u/Moo1980 Apr 23 '17
Look, sometimes you have no choice but to update. I get it. Advancements in technology necessitate it.
But I also hate it when things are fixed that are perfectly fine and are in no way broken. Only one thing should be broken on Squared Circle: Anything involving Matt Hardy in some capacity. That's it!
I do not want to see a bland message board. I love the way this site has a real feel for the subject matter with everything stated in the original post by a moderator. The themes, the snoos, everything. It's awesome.
Reddit as a whole is making a huge mistake with this change if it actually goes through (which seemingly is going to be the case). I really hope common sense wins out, but sadly common sense died years ago, and many of us have saved a copy of that obituary.
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u/asianorange A Jinder-Mahal-ic Apr 23 '17
Looks like reddit wants to focus on performance and consistency.
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Apr 23 '17
I can absolutely see why they are doing this, and I can see why people are upset about it. Basically opposing goals.
If they go through with it, the question is where do they take it. If it turns out that they slowly but surely add cool features you can (if you want to) modify your subreddit with I can see the winds change.
If it significantly degrades the experience across the board I can see people genuinely leave because of it.
I mean I haven't found a mobile app, nor their awful mobile web version, to be anything but significantly worse than the desktop UI (on my phone no less!). So if it's more of that were screwed. If it's a successful attempt to fix it on the other hand, then they can come out on top.
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u/zeldaisaprude Better than CM Punk Apr 24 '17
As someone who exclusively uses the rif app how/will this even affect me?
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u/yocxl Ass Boys for Life Apr 24 '17
It pretty much won't.
None/very little of that stuff shows up on RIF. Other apps? I've only tried BaconReader, so I can't say for sure, but it probably won't show up on other apps either.
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u/luchador_84 Apr 23 '17
This is fucked up. Not as fucked up as that time skeach101 deleted a user's post only to immediately repost it himself for that sweet sweet karma, but it's still pretty fucked.