r/GlobalOffensive • u/superandywaffle • Jan 28 '17
Discussion | eSports Astralis vs Fnatic / ELEAGUE Major 2017 - Semi-Final / Post-Match Discussion
Astralis 2-0 Fnatic
Cache: 19-16
Nuke: 16-5Dust 2
Congratulations to Astralis on advancing to the Finals!
Fnatic have been eliminated.
Who was the MVP for this series? (POLL)
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MAP 1: Cache
| Team | CT | T | OT1 | OT2 | Total |
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| AST | 9 | 6 | 3 | 1 | 19 |
| T | CT | OT^1 | OT^2 | ||
| FNC | 6 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 16 |
| AST | K | A | D |
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| device | 24 | 4 | 18 |
| dupreeh | 26 | 7 | 19 |
| gla1ve | 19 | 6 | 18 |
| Kjaerbye | 19 | 4 | 21 |
| Xyp9x | 19 | 5 | 18 |
| FNC | |||
| dennis | 17 | 3 | 23 |
| disco doplan | 16 | 4 | 21 |
| KRIMZ | 29 | 3 | 20 |
| olofmeister | 15 | 3 | 23 |
| twist | 17 | 6 | 20 |
Map 1 Detailed Stats
MAP 2: Nuke
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| AST | 12 | 4 | 16 |
| CT | T | ||
| FNC | 3 | 2 | 5 |
| AST | K | A | D |
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| device | 22 | 2 | 10 |
| dupreeh | 17 | 0 | 13 |
| gla1ve | 14 | 5 | 15 |
| Kjaerbye | 20 | 2 | 13 |
| Xyp9x | 19 | 4 | 11 |
| FNC | |||
| dennis | 10 | 3 | 19 |
| disco doplan | 13 | 3 | 16 |
| KRIMZ | 17 | 3 | 19 |
| olofmeister | 15 | 2 | 20 |
| twist | 7 | 2 | 18 |
Map 2 Detailed Stats
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u/c_Lassy The MongolZ Jan 28 '17
I think no one expected fnatic to get this far. Props to olof and his boys.
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u/Wemorg Jan 28 '17
Olof and Krimz woke up
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u/WaapWaap Jan 28 '17
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u/tlenher Liquid Jan 29 '17
Yeah Olaf had a couple clutch plays but that was it. Krimz played insane
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u/TheBigLman Jan 28 '17
Give Device an awp and Dupreeh a banana and GG.
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jan 28 '17
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NO CHOKE BOYS!!!
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u/1-800-DIRT-NAP Jan 28 '17
It's been amazing to watch them this tourney. The teamwork, coordination, intelligence and skill is just pure beauty.
Its like watching them control the other team as string puppets sometimes. Just fucking solid CS.
Well deserved for them to get over this hurdle.
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u/Quil0n Jan 28 '17
I can't believe they made it out of Mirage. Mad respect to Device and the rest of Astralis though.
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u/BananasPower NiP Jan 28 '17
Dont worry, still got an entire BO3 to choke. Traditions are made to be kept, right?
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u/BenjiCS 500k Celebration Jan 29 '17
You know its gonna be worse if astralis choke in the finals u know... that would be even worse then semis.
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u/ThatDistantStar 10 years coin Jan 28 '17
Device was whiffing pretty hard during the last round and other critical rounds. He's still capable of choking, but getting better.
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u/empire5 Astralis Jan 28 '17
FINALS BABY!
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u/sorenslothe Astralis Jan 28 '17
I'm so pumped!
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u/Euflorius Astralis Jan 28 '17
The PTSD started kicking in when they let fnatic back up to 15. I'm so happy they actually made the finals.
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u/nebsA1 LDLC Jan 28 '17
First 2-0 of the major
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u/theChamp_isHere Jan 28 '17
Fnatic played really well considering the rumors and the skill on their team. Top 4 is pretty good and hopefully we see more of the Krimz that we saw here
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 28 '17
Yup... Nobody gave them a chance to leave groups, and they end in TOP.4 - thats really amazing, even tho they only care about first place, they should be proud.
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u/Cookiemanstor Astralis Jan 28 '17
Dev1ce is so good, his form is amazing right now.
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u/y1i CS2 HYPE Jan 28 '17 edited Jan 23 '20
deleted 0.2532 What is ^^^this?
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Jan 28 '17
Has the MVP ever been given to a player that wasn't on the winning team?
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u/rsmuss Jan 28 '17
It was close when nip won iem oakland. F0rest got the mvp but the guy who gives the mvp said it was very close that coldzera would have gotten it.
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u/Lasermoon Jan 28 '17
That series Kjaerbye really stepped it up and had huge impact. He's been growing through out this tournament
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u/God_Serena FaZe Jan 28 '17
Let's be honest here: fnatic did great. Barely anyone expected them to even get out of the groups. They just need to work on their map pool and then we shall see.
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u/SunshineZz King NiKo Jan 28 '17
It's true that fnatic lost, but they went further than anyone expected, especially after that first loss. Twist and disco need some more experience but believe me when I say this, they're gonna become beasts. I am really happy for being able to see, even if just a peek of the old briliance of olof and krimz. GG boys, see you in Vegas :)
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Jan 28 '17
Twist proved his worth tbh, if Flusha replaces Disco then they might be a top team again.
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Jan 28 '17
I feel as if disco would shine on NiP. He's a good player but can't show it on a team with 4 other great players.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Jan 28 '17
Ouch, that's gonna sting for NiP
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Jan 28 '17
I mean, they have GTR and f0rest...
xizt is a decent player but I wouldn't consider him a "star". Neither would I consider friberg or pyth a "star".
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u/Acech guardian2 Jan 28 '17
Of course NiP players are also good. I think he means that Disco would fit better without three intense playmakers such as in Fnatic.
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u/grandeconfusione EG Jan 28 '17
fnatic should stay the way they are. disco doplan still has much to learn, but from these kind of players? Absolutely possible. Also lets keep in mind that he gets to play against the toughest competition there is.
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u/Nonpoint77 CS2 HYPE Jan 28 '17
Problem is I don't see Flusha leaving JW behind. That's the whole reason this started
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u/meodd8 Jan 29 '17
In the final two matches, I saw more important frags going to discover than I did to twists. In the quarter finals, twist blasted, but in the semi's, he did quite poorly... enough so that olof started to take over AWP again.
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u/ILiveInAMango Astralis Jan 28 '17
Props to fnatic. But they don't play as a team yet. So many refrags missed and 5v4s lost. All their round wins were because of individual performance.
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u/Zonez3r0 Astralis Jan 28 '17
As an Astralis fan i gotta say some aspects really impressed me, seeing Krimz back at his old form and Olof doing some amazing stuff with the awp had me legitimately scared, im hoping they return to their former glory, Astralis vs Fnatic have always been some of my favorites to watch, gz on Fnatix getting to Semis tho, well deserved, sad they couldnt meet Astralis in the finals.
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u/sorenslothe Astralis Jan 28 '17
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u/masterhaldentwo NiP Jan 28 '17
Going home to look at all our major trophies
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u/masterhaldentwo NiP Jan 28 '17
No but it'll hopefully inspire us to put together better lineups for the next major
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u/sorenslothe Astralis Jan 28 '17
That's probably already happening, so I guess that's correct.
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u/masterhaldentwo NiP Jan 28 '17
Can't let the Danes be the only ones with a stacked super team ;)
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Jan 28 '17
I'm proud of the team, this was their first lan together and making the semis is no easy feat, considering how young disco and twist are. I hope they stick around with this lineup, atleast until DH Vegas.
rooting for Astralis now!
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u/WaapWaap Jan 28 '17
Twist is 22 and Disco is 21. The only person on the Astralis lineup who is older than that is Dupreeh at 23. Can't really use their age as an excuse for not performing. Hell, Kjaerbye is 18 and kicked ass.
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u/Phenetylamine FaZe Jan 28 '17
Young in terms of experience in the top tier, I suppose. A player like KRIMZ is seen as an older veteran even though he's just 22 or 23 years old iirc, just a way people express themselves rather than a specific reference to their age
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u/Sinoops 500k Celebration Jan 28 '17
Twist is definitely not young in terms of experience. Hell he played at dreamhack 2013, Katowice 2014 with Olof krimz and Dennis on lgb, and dreamhack 2014.
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u/Euflorius Astralis Jan 28 '17
twist was a major legend three years ago, you can't really call him young
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u/pikslik ar_baggage Jan 28 '17
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jan 28 '17
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u/Xerroxian valeria Jan 28 '17
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u/Xerroxian valeria Jan 28 '17
only 8% of people chose astralis in their pickems
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u/Sinoops 500k Celebration Jan 28 '17
Why? Aren't they favorites to win this tournament?
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u/Xerroxian valeria Jan 28 '17
yes, but since hey went 3-2 in groups everyone assumed Na'Vi would win, and they didn't
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u/Knorikus Jan 28 '17
I really like this fnatic roster. I don't want them to change.
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u/Mitraileuse FaZe Jan 28 '17
i like disco but i like flusha more
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Jan 29 '17
It'd make more sense for fnatic. Flusha has star numbers and aim but his role is a slower style meant to fill in the gaps. Disco needs to have the primary roles to succeed and he would never get that in a team with dennis, olofmeister and twist. If Disco goes to NiP or godsent he'll do better.
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Jan 28 '17
Olof, Krimz, Dennis, Twist and Flusha. That would be pretty great.
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u/Knorikus Jan 28 '17
That's what I was thinking. Disco and Flusha play similar roles too so it would work really well. Only problem is I think Flusha and JW arent going to split up.
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u/Baskin5000 CS2 HYPE Jan 28 '17
First prediction of 2017 made right
Plus it looks like my second prediction will come true too...
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u/AlexT__ de_mirage Jan 28 '17
Also the second swedish shuffle
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u/Baskin5000 CS2 HYPE Jan 28 '17
Plus it looks like my second prediction will come true too...
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u/ajwhite98 Jan 28 '17
Well, since you can see the future, whatcha got on the French shuffle?
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u/rawdah Jan 28 '17
those werent too ballsy predictions besides the last one
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u/Baskin5000 CS2 HYPE Jan 28 '17
This was before astralis made it to the semi's of IEM oakland, which was their first good tournament run for over half the year
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u/CapturedSkulls FaZe Jan 28 '17
Fnatic played good, also twist and disco doplan are alot better than i thought
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u/RiffRaffRuff Liquid Jan 28 '17
I feel like they were nervous, disco especially. This was his 1st major right?
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u/Phenetylamine FaZe Jan 28 '17
Yup. He had a slow start in the groupstage but I think he played good in the playoffs. Hope we'll see more from him
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u/CapturedSkulls FaZe Jan 28 '17
First time on a stage like that any other person would be to, but a semifinal run for a first major is pretty crazy
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u/Phenetylamine FaZe Jan 28 '17
Top 4 by fnatic, I'd say thats pretty good, they were kind of an underdog going into this tournament. Gotta remember it's their first LAN together.
Nice that disco doplan showed some promise in the playoffs, I think he'll continue to improve. I hope they don't swap any players yet, I like this lineup.
Also, even though they got destroyed on it, I thought it was cool that they had the confidence to let Astralis pick Nuke. If they continue to practice and play the map to the extent that they can let it off their insta-ban against teams that also don't normally play Nuke, it can make their map pool really interesting.
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u/ValbuenaSaxTape Jan 28 '17
"Astralis overcoming the odds" wut
its #1 vs #20
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u/WaapWaap Jan 28 '17
People are so stupid. It wasn't even close, they beat them 2-0, yes FNC's map went to overtime, Astralis was never in a position to loss, and the 2nd map was a runover.
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u/ValbuenaSaxTape Jan 28 '17
idk about people, but sadokist said that at the end of 2nd map. still props to fnatic tho they are the one who overcome the odds by reaching top4 in this major.
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u/Nigerianpoopslayer Natus Vincere Jan 28 '17
I'm still confused as to why fnatic had 51% of pick'ems in this match, there was no way that they'd beat Astralis in a BO3
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u/YuviManBro Jan 28 '17
cuz noone thought ast would make it here
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u/WaapWaap Jan 28 '17
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Jan 28 '17
thorin didn't expect fnatic to make it out of groups either. As a matter of fact the analysts bet against fnatic every single game this major.
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u/Euflorius Astralis Jan 28 '17
new pick'ems suck ass. I like the new system for the groupstage, but you should be able to predict every playoff-game separately.
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u/NA_CS_LUL Jan 28 '17
Fnatic fans: https://i.imgur.com/clpFb6L.gifv
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Tbh I doubt it. I don't really think anyone expected them to even get to the semis
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u/HallowedBeThyBrain Jan 28 '17
I was actually really impressed by Fnatic this weekend. They exceeded my expectations. I'm mostly glad there's a roster change, but after this, I would also partly like to see them continue as is.
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u/Phenetylamine FaZe Jan 28 '17
Not really. Extremely proud that they made it to top 4 in their first LAN together
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u/NetSraC1306 Virtus.pro Jan 28 '17
I already felt bad for Astralis Fans when I saw the 12:3 half on nuke...
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u/chokyx Jan 28 '17
That 1st map was hands down the most intense csgo map i have ever seen!
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u/chokyx Jan 28 '17
It might have felt more intense for me, since Im danish and an astralis fan :D But there were just so many turn around rounds. Krimz, Kjaerbye, xyp9x, disco doplan, man some of their plays was insane :P
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u/ryanmcneil282 Jan 28 '17
Honestly not that bad by fnatic, they went farther than I expected after that first pretty bad loss. I can see some great potential.
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u/MakingYouMad Astralis Jan 28 '17
49% EZ. People still underestimating Astralis.
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u/mmmmmBetty Virtus.pro Jan 28 '17
It's only that because %95 of people picked navi anyway.
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u/Av1ster de_overpass Jan 28 '17
map pool is insane, just like gla1ve was saying before the major. I'm so hyped for tomorrow! glad to be the 49%
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u/MrSnayta Astralis Jan 28 '17
So, GODSENT>Optic>G2>SK>Liquid then NaVi>Fnatic>SK/VP
What a path for Astralis, hopefully they close it out
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u/gleba080 Natus Vincere Jan 28 '17
It was over as soon as Astralis won cashe. Fnatic was just not ready for nuke. Danes map pool looks insane right now
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u/mmmmmBetty Virtus.pro Jan 28 '17
Well done Astralis on getting to their first CSGO Major final. Even though you destroyed my pickem dreams
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u/r3khy7 de_dust2 Jan 28 '17
I feel like Fnatic could have taken Cache if Olof had shown up from round one. They'd never win Nuke but there was a small chance for an upset on Dust2. Shame we didn't see that map....
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u/Felsbroeckchen Virtus.pro Jan 28 '17
Overall I liked Fnatic performance, they played this major better then expected. Hopefully they can improve to reach the next final.
Nevertheless Astralis deserve their final spot. Great performance the whole tournament!
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u/Lunkaren NiP Jan 29 '17
I agree. They weren't seen as contenders for the title and I was even surprised they made a match of the first map v Astralis at all. Looking forward to see what will become of fnatic, the players seem to have it in them, they just need to mould together more as a team.
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u/maxitos Jan 28 '17
I haven't seen any of the Astralis games this tourney but damn their team play is unreal.
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u/tarangk clutch Jan 28 '17
so happy that device and co finally get in a major final
also krimz seems to hitting his late 2014 form again
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Jan 28 '17
Lol the pickems... How could 51% pick fnatic? And then everyone cried because they got no Gold xd
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u/full-of-lead Godsent Jan 28 '17
ggwp, time for the big shuffle xD
(inb4 flusha trolls everyone and DOESN'T go back lul)
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u/Cheesewithmold 1 Million Celebration Jan 28 '17
This final is either going to be the best match I've ever watched, or the most disappointing.
LET'S GO BANANA BOYS!
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u/BadTripz clutch Jan 29 '17
mmh, both teams finished with the same order on both maps.. INTERESTING
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u/fakeNAcsgoPlayer Jan 29 '17
Astralis has passed the C curse to Liquid with this win.
Good luck boys.
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u/Half_Top Jan 29 '17
I'm pretty sure device has top fragged astralis' last 5 games, and I'm not sure about before that.
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u/vinevicious CS2 HYPE Jan 28 '17
can't wait for the new curse, final choke
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u/Scratch98 Jan 28 '17
They've actually been pretty good in finals. I think they've only lost 2. E-league to optic last year and esl Dubai to vp. Other than that they have what, 7-8 finals wins? That's not too shabby
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u/Jonatonamatron Jan 28 '17
So I've not been paying close attention to the pro scene for a bit, how come Astralis are the favorites now? Didn't they lose their IGL (karrigan).
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u/VibratingPony Astralis Jan 28 '17
Well. They kind of voluntarily lost him. Things where going terribly, and they decided to replace him with glaive. Things have been looking really good, for the last couple of months. Made 2 finals in december, winning one.
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Jan 28 '17
Great work by Astralis, but i am not surprised, i didn't even bother to look at the second map, nuke was a 99% win for Astralis.
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u/TheDarreNCS Astralis Jan 28 '17
Finally no more semifinal chokes at majors. THE CURSE HAS BEEN BROKEN!
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u/L0kitheliar cs_office Jan 28 '17
Gla1ve has to be one of the most impactful changes for a team in a while