r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jan 26 '17
Discussion | eSports Team Liquid vs Astralis / ELEAGUE Major 2017 - Round 5 / Post-Match Discussion
Team Liquid 0-1 Astralis
Mirage: 3-16
Astralis have advanced to the playoffs
Team Liquid have been eliminated.
Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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MAP: Mirage
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| Hiko | 10 | 0 | 18 |
| Pimp | 8 | 0 | 18 |
| nitr0 | 7 | 3 | 17 |
| EliGE | 7 | 0 | 19 |
| jdm64 | 6 | 1 | 16 |
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| dev1ce | 29 | 3 | 6 |
| Kjaerbye | 24 | 2 | 7 |
| dupreeh | 18 | 2 | 7 |
| gla1ve | 11 | 4 | 9 |
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u/Kraze_F35 CS2 HYPE Jan 26 '17
FADE ME http://i.imgur.com/dsx6Ye9.png?1
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Jan 26 '17
Losing to arguably the favourites of the tourney isn't that bad. Wish we won our OT games though...
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 26 '17
They looked like they had no clue how to play mirage though. It started with the pistol why are you throwing smokes to just jump through them.
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u/Naxk Jan 26 '17
It's 4 am here and I want to thank Astralis for the smurfing so I can finally go to sleep.
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u/neptunusequester Jan 26 '17
I mean... It looked like device was just styling. Almost 150 ADR :/
He got better stats than flamie vs SK.
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u/ryugarulz Jan 26 '17
elige doesn't turn up, hiko top frag, hardest team to beat out of the other remaining teams, keeping mirage in the pool, no chance for liquid :(
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u/Quil0n Jan 26 '17
They were playing like bots. Losing aim duels over and over.
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u/mrcrazy_monkey Jan 26 '17
Mollying corners and not watching it afterwards as well. Too many mistakes.
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u/crow38 Natus Vincere Jan 26 '17
u obviously havent played vs expert bots.....they cheat lol
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u/iErebos Jan 26 '17
Elige was sitting in the middle, maybe they tried to put too much on him to free up nitro because they assumed Elige would still be able to frag consistently with the IGL duties.
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u/clive_cs Jan 26 '17
No, Hiko was calling. Elige was just sitting in the middle.
Source: https://twitter.com/LiquidEliGE/status/823305548905021440
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Jan 26 '17
It's not even just an individual performance issue. The team looked like they had no game plan going into the match from round 1. They smoked execute A-site on pistol round and then just decided to run through stair smoke no flash? The entire game was a shitshow.
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u/Toybasher cs_office Jan 26 '17
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u/Danny07024 Liquid Jan 26 '17
So true. Always shouting for Liquid man... yet still end up crushed beyond redemption... yet I still coming back for more. I seriously wish Team Liquid will once again be a threat to CS:GO majors...
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Jan 26 '17
Same. I hope they announce a roster change or a boot camp or something. Liquid hasnt qualified or done much of importance in a long time.
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u/trickz-M- Jan 26 '17
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u/Quil0n Jan 26 '17
dev1ce looked like he was smurfing,
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u/Hersheyx Jan 26 '17
He was surfing on liquid
Eh, I won't see myself out. Proud of this word play
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u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team Jan 26 '17
Astralis finally performing the way everyone thought they would from game 1
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 26 '17
Now they play vs NaVi or VP... That will be sick match.
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u/Pingel87 Jan 26 '17 edited Jan 26 '17
or one of the teams that went 3-1 if they get lucky
*typo
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u/disposable4582 de_cache Jan 26 '17
they might also play a 3-1 (Fnatic, Gambit, SK) team tho
EDIT: but they drew against Na'Vi, so
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u/Inquizitory 500k Celebration Jan 26 '17
astralis proving themselves before choking in semis :>
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u/Knorikus Jan 26 '17
Liquid have to make a change. They are just so clueless on what to do mid round they need an IGL.
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u/hfourm Jan 26 '17
It isn't just IGLing though. They need a complete "strategy" overhaul, sure a competent IGL may help, but it comes down to practice and communication.
Someone else pointed it out but, they had tons of moments were they just looked lost, weren't trading kills, I mean they were throwing mollys to clear a corner, with no one actually there to frag the person leaving the corner. Its like wtf? You just threw a molly in that corner, was it just for show? Did you not expect someone to be there? Why throw the molly then?
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Jan 26 '17
Hope everyone got a nice look at this Liquid roster, its the last time you'll see it.
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u/am0ral Liquid Jan 26 '17
what changes do you think?
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u/Faxer Jan 26 '17
My personal thought is we'll see elige or jdm or both to other north american orgs, i could see either one on c9.
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Jan 26 '17
I don't know, i'd assume JDM and EliGE are the only 100% safe ones, but even then EliGE might join a different team.
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u/ConnorK5 Jan 26 '17
Well it should be Hiko cut. Don't know if management might shut that down or not though.
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u/Ursus-shock de_cobble Jan 26 '17
what a time to be alive. Hiko being the n0thing of liquid
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u/I_like_forks Liquid Jan 26 '17 edited Jan 26 '17
Alright, so what can Liquid realistically do to become a decent team again?
Also, FUCK!
Edit: Again also, no NA teams in NA major, i have a feeling the crowd will be slightly dead...
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Jan 26 '17
Liquid needs another fragger and an IGL.
Elige can frag when hes not titled. JDM is a good awper imp and Pimp is consistent and I want him to stay.
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u/Russian_For_Rent Vitality Jan 26 '17
IMO, nitr0 is the problem. He's so inconsistent.
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u/catfishburglar Virtus.pro Jan 26 '17
Both Nitro and JDM were very inconsistent not only during this major but for the past couple of months as well.
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u/pancada_ FURIA Jan 26 '17
Bring s1mple back
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u/ChromeMaxx Astralis Jan 26 '17
+dev1ce +coldzera +flamie +snax +fallen +3 months of English lessons +3 months of intensive boot camp +one dank ass gaming house Voila restore liquid to it's former glory
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u/iNoToRi0uS valeria Jan 26 '17
I wish the answer was so S1mple
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u/TygraFS NRG Jan 26 '17
People seem to forget that ESL Cologne 2016 didn't use the coaching rule. They had Peacemaker calling the shots throughout the round, which is something they can't do anymore. Liquid need a competent IGL more than anything else.
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u/Noobasdfjkl de_nuke Jan 26 '17
Drop nitr0, pick up an up and coming IGL whom they can train into a good fragger too, boot camp JDM on rifles.
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u/GaynalPleasures Liquid Jan 26 '17
Hiko needs to be replaced with a good IGL and Nitro needs to start fragging again. If both of those happen and the chemistry with a new IGL works, I believe Liquid can be a major competing team.
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u/rloch Liquid Jan 26 '17
I have tickets for this weekend and am really let down that there are no NA teams left. North seems like a pretty cool team, might go all in for them.
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Jan 26 '17
Root for Gambit :D
They are an underdog and its super cool to see them doing so well.
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u/I_like_forks Liquid Jan 26 '17
I've got tickets too. I think that FaZe might be the ones for me. For whatever reason, they remind me of Liquid, so I can cry as I cheer.
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Jan 26 '17
disband and support which ever team elige goes to
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Jan 26 '17
They had the deepest run of any NA team this major. Why would they disband?
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u/retainang guardian_elite Jan 26 '17
Nothing really, Liquid is just going back to where they were before they got s1mple.
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u/PanMearBig Jan 26 '17
After careful analysis over many games watched, I have arrived at the conclusion that dev1ce is pretty good at Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
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u/ButteredGhost Jan 26 '17
Can't wait for the Liquid w/ S1mple at major vs. Liquid w/o S1mple at major meme montage
GG to the Danes, if this doesn't provoke the most productive NA shuffle in history there is no hope for this region
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u/archangel_n7 Jan 26 '17
NA has the best year they've had in forever but "xd no hope for na"
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u/ButteredGhost Jan 26 '17
It's not just about the results, but the response to results, either good or bad. It seems like the whole damn region is infected with stupidity. After C9 win ESL Pro League S4, they stop looking for a coach, as it would "mess with their style" or some other BS reasoning Stew shat out. When Liquid got to the finals of THE FUCKING MAJOR, they don't offer S1mple literal gold bricks to stay on. Hey, maybe S1mple was just that homesick and it was destined to never work out, but I would have liked to see just a smidge more fucking effort. And when Optic has a string of good form leading right up to the major, a bunch of superfluous bullshit happens that prevents them from bootcamping properly. If it was important enough to them, they wouldn't have let 9/11 2 keep them from practicing properly. It's the fucking major, figure it out.
I just, I don't know. Maybe it's something inherent in NA gaming culture that prevents us from getting it together, and doing everything possible to increase the chances of success. Neither of the NA teams came in with the will to win, and it showed.
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u/Ursus-shock de_cobble Jan 26 '17
because no org has the balls to put cash and get 5 top players. in every NA team there's at least one underperforming player ( except Optic, i think their roster is pretty good )
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u/taw90001 Jan 26 '17
if this doesn't provoke the most productive NA shuffle in history there is no hope for this region
I don't think shuffling players fixes problems beyond the next big tournament, if even that. Look at Virtus.Pro: They went 3-0 despite having the most "stale" roster in CS:GO history.
There's a huge problem with all NA players on every NA team right now and I hope one day they either figure out what it is and fix it or get replaced with new stars that don't have those problems.
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u/kingtut11 Liquid Jan 26 '17
fucking pathetic from the fraggers on this team. Guys probably thought it was over before they even got in the server. Elige vanished at a worse time than the avatar...
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Jan 26 '17
Now we can finally have a real NA shuffle since no team is legends.
No excuse to stick with these mediocre lineups anymore.
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u/Arkani Natus Vincere Jan 26 '17
Astralis finally looking great. Had rough groupstage but this is how they are supposed to play against weak opponents.
On the other hand no USA chants in playoffs. Thank god.
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u/rexas_tangers CS2 HYPE Jan 26 '17
Device played like a fucking animal absolutely dismantling liquid. I can't wait to watch him in the playoffs.
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u/MikeAU 1 Million Celebration Jan 26 '17
Device is an absolute monster. Astralis are looking so good right now!
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u/carpy16 North Jan 26 '17
Always going to be hard with no IGL. They rarely make decisions based on how the round plays out. They have a set plan and stick to it no matter what, which costs them IMO
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u/Spoob42 Astralis Jan 26 '17
Fun Fact: with 3 rounds, this is the closest game Liquid have ever played versus the Astralis core
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Jan 26 '17
They played like shit honestly, hopefully they can pick themselves up and make it to next major playoffs. Hope Navi wins though.
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u/giantjensen Jan 26 '17
I think this is the best top 8 we have in a while, no surprise teams other than Fnatic maybe?
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 26 '17
This was expected, maybe not by this much, but expected. Let's hope for Liquid this is the start of another good run because people didn't really expect a whole lot from them and they did pretty good.
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u/eviljoker123 Astralis Jan 26 '17
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/5q09kp/eleague_major_day_4_matchups/dcvcbje/
I find my lack of faith in faith disturbing.
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u/Lennz4s Liquid Jan 26 '17
Liquid looked nervous and afraid. And honestly, EliGE deserves better than this.
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u/jpark170 chroma Jan 26 '17
Heart broken :(. Especially that Liquid was so close on the other games....
I hope the Hiko and TL hate train would stop tho :/
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u/SweisH 2 Million Celebration Jan 26 '17
Hell yeah! Finally the second trashy NA team out. Now get ur big ego's and suck it up! HAHA
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u/JamieTheElite Jan 26 '17
I don't understand why everything thinks Liquid and the other somewhat successful NA teams need to shuffle their players around and make one team the best of the best. All three, Being Liquid, Cloud9 and OpTic are clearly still contenders at the very least. Maybe it was all due to form but NA teams won two massive international tournaments in 2016 for the first time ever, and Liquid made it deeper i majors than every other NA team TWICE, much in part due to s1mple but still. A shuffle does not make sense right now due to this success.
On top of all of that, what's with the hate for this Liquid team ever since s1mple left? Obviously they're going to perform worst after losing by far their best player. Liquid, if anything, should not be the NA team fans are hating on. C9 failed to qualify and even lost to fucking TyLoo. OpTic didn't live up to expectations this tournament at all and Liquid exceeded, being seen as one of the weakest teams coming into this. Liquid fought, hard. This game in particular was their only truly bad showing, they made it to multiple OTs in their other losses and at the end of the day, getting Astralis AND Mirage was just never going to work.
I don't think an NA super team is in order right now, but something needs to happen with Hiko or Nitro, if nothing does, this particular roster will never make it to the level they once were.
TL:DR - NA shuffle probably unlikely, not very justified, liquid don't deserve the hate.
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u/Northhh North Jan 26 '17 edited Jun 09 '25
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u/TheGoldenLegacy Jan 26 '17
Liquid could have done so much, they had two overtime losses. They looked so out of it here.
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u/PootieTooGood BIG Jan 26 '17
Shame, liquid goes out like mouz. figured the winner would be up against Astralis/SK based on past matchups being unavailable.
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u/forrman17 Jan 26 '17
Best example of a team with amazing individual talent (save for Hiko recently) with absolutely no team chemistry. :((
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u/shardcs 400k Celebration Jan 26 '17
I really hope Liquid get a roster change :(
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u/7Demented de_cache Jan 26 '17
Astralis should have gotten out of groups long ago, but at least this was a good confidence boost for the danish boys :)
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u/Kravior CS2 HYPE Jan 26 '17
It's weirdly easier watching Liquid games when they're getting stomped instead of when they throw away incredibly close games in overtime.
Thanks for no heart attacks, only disappointment.
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u/Dark_Azazel Jan 26 '17
Well, they got more rounds than I thought they would.
Honestly, what would you expect when elige doesn't show up. Or anyone for that fact. Maybe next time.
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u/Cheesewithmold 1 Million Celebration Jan 26 '17 edited Jan 26 '17
Can't say I'm surprised. Just upset that I have no NA teams to root for in the playoffs. Oh well.
Let's go VP/Astralis!
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u/WiceMan 5 years coin Jan 26 '17
I want to say its kinda tragic, but once Nuke got banned they needed cache for any shot to win. Liquid had some tragic OT's, but without S1mple I think this team is short of legendary status.
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u/mrcrazy_monkey Jan 26 '17
Watching liquid can be so frustrating sometimes. Like I understand they have more hours than I'll ever have in this game but pushing two awps into the B site. I don't understand why they try to force that.
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u/Kizzo17 clutch Jan 26 '17
This is soo dirty of astralis fucking hell Astralis just wanted to go to the hotel early to have fun with North
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u/bnics Liquid Jan 26 '17
So much talent and yet we never seem to play as a team. At this point I think some roster moves might be necessary. We could really use a proper IGL.
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u/XxShrimpTacoxX Jan 26 '17
The core of this team is uncoachable. I think it might just be nitr0/eliges personalities at this point because they've had these problems for so long. They need to drop hiko for a capable IGL. They have the talent to be one of the best teams in the world but they can't put it to use all at once. Best case scenario is to try to find a way to get Stanislaw probably, but I doubt that will happen, and Sean gares doesn't seem like an effective leader anymore so I have no idea what the solution is for this team.
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u/grandeconfusione EG Jan 26 '17
Clearly Liquid on Mirage was as clueless as mouz on Nuke. Device really going off, glad Astralis made it they had really tough matchups.
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u/dinosaurxress Jan 26 '17
Can't imagine Liquid would want to stay together after doing so poorly. C9/Liquid shuffle inc.? but not very likely.
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u/SwampGamer CS2 HYPE Jan 26 '17
Well... Liquid clearly didn't deserve to be Legends after a showing like that. Yeah, maybe Cache would have treated them better but if they want to be legends they have to be able to win the tough matches. I don't know what is next for them. Obviously Elige is their shining light, JDM has shown that he is still capable of being that star AWPer he just needs to maintain his peak level, Pimp appears very composed even in high pressure situations and I think Liquid needs that. I don't know about nitro and hiko. It seems like nitro is the catalyst to Elige's explosiveness in many situations.
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Jan 26 '17
i kind feel sorry until 2016 i was saying device is overrated :D he had insanes game and now in 2017 he still deliver, gg bro
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u/UmyBrothermyFriend Jan 26 '17
:( my NA teams when are we going to see some C9,OPTIC,LIQUID rekking these EU plebs feelsbadman
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Jan 26 '17
i wonder how long liquid keeps its core roster. the only time they have achieved anything is with s1mple.
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u/batcrapmo Natus Vincere Jan 26 '17
Who was that girl from Astralis? Their manager? Their mom? Freddie's gf?
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u/ButchTheGuy Liquid Jan 26 '17
Id say make roster of na super team of : JDM, Elige, P1mp, Rush, and stewie2k or stanislaw
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u/trued_2 Jan 26 '17
Liquid should ban Mirage? I haven't been watching CSgo for too long but every time I see Liquid play mirage they can't take A and when they do take B they can't hold it after the plant.
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Jan 26 '17
Well fuck me, don't think the roster will last much longer with these results. Really gonna miss whoever goes, I liked everyone on Liquid.
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u/Cunning_Ruse Jan 26 '17
In retrospect this loss is good for NA.. hopefully without anyone holding legend status they're more willing to make roster changes. :/
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u/tarangk clutch Jan 26 '17
pimp is the only danish player who did not make the playoffs for this major
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u/supergrega Jan 26 '17
Honestly feel bad for liquid. Hiko, jdm and pimp all played more than decent and elige is literally a god. They lost 2 matches in overtime and drew astralis in 2-2.
It wasn't a perfect run by any stretch of the imagination, but it was much better than expected. I think they might surprise us in the next tournament.
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Jan 26 '17
If it were a close match one could argue that things were working. Way it played out though shows a highly uncoordinated team structure with Liquid.
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u/KaggieKorn Liquid Jan 26 '17
Watching the few t rounds Astralis had pissed me off because they could literally just rush like silvers and liquid was so gone that it would work. That pistol round strat where they rushed a through connector and absolutely destroyed liquid made me turn the stream off.
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