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Discussion | eSports GODSENT vs OpTic Gaming / ELEAGUE Major 2017 - Round 4 / Post-Match Discussion
GODSENT 1-0 OpTic Gaming
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OpTic Gaming have been eliminated.
Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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| GOD | 10 | 6 | 16 |
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| OG | 5 | 3 | 8 |
| GOD | K | A | D |
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| Lekr0 | 25 | 9 | 15 |
| znajder | 20 | 2 | 17 |
| JW | 18 | 2 | 14 |
| flusha | 17 | 2 | 13 |
| pronax | 11 | 5 | 16 |
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| RUSH | 17 | 4 | 17 |
| NAF | 16 | 6 | 19 |
| tarik | 15 | 2 | 19 |
| stanislaw | 15 | 1 | 17 |
| mixwell | 11 | 3 | 19 |
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Jan 25 '17
no excuses, awful in gunrounds and gunfights, poor positioning for trades, poorly timed pushes and really bad clutches.
deserved win for godsent, ggs
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u/Kambhela de_train Jan 25 '17
Not to mention communication issues.
Highlight of this was the round where Stanislaw left whitebox, ran to truck and Mixwell gets shot in the back on A site.
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u/0uie guardian Jan 25 '17
When they played yesterday it was so bad too. Player got killed going down ladder, two more players rush out T Conn and don't even bother looking at ladder. Both die from the ladder player.
That doesn't even happen in MM.
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u/Lost_Lion Jan 25 '17
That doesn't even happen in MM.
Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh yesss it does.
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u/ButteredGhost Jan 25 '17
As soon as I saw that I knew the CT side was gonna be complete dogshit, stan's awareness was just completely absent today
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Jan 25 '17
A big issue is not having our "coach" because he overstayed his visa for 2 days before the break, always reminds the team to take timeouts, calm down etc.
No bootcamp hurt as well, sucks but oh well
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u/justtryit FaZe Jan 25 '17
What was the reason for no bootcamp? They are on the up but looks like with the coach issue and the lack of a bootcamp they weren't prepared/put much effort to continue.
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u/E_blanc Astralis Jan 25 '17
No excuses, but I'l still feel bad for them getting fked over.
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Jan 25 '17
They did get fucked in match ups but a top level team should still be able to get out of groups even with the match ups they were again
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u/E_blanc Astralis Jan 25 '17
Sure, I'm not saying otherwise. But you do have to feel bad for them getting Vp then astralis to open a tourney.
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u/Str8187em Jan 25 '17
compared to liquid maybe, but compared to G2, Optic had easier matchups overall.
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u/CiFiniamo Jan 25 '17
They didn't make any excuses, either, FWIW. Which I liked. RUSH said he was a fan of the Swiss format, even with the matchups they had
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u/ButteredGhost Jan 25 '17
I am so sorry, new CS fans, but this is what you sign up for when you root for an NA squad. That throbbing, unrelenting despair right in the bottom of your gut. That's NA CS you're feeling.
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u/I1ussion Liquid Jan 25 '17
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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u/KaggieKorn Liquid Jan 25 '17
We as TL fans especially know what this feels like. Despite being legends I still go on a roller coaster of emotions after every game.
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u/Acech guardian2 Jan 25 '17
That pounding sensation in your rectum. That's EU CS you're feeling.
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u/Arcille 10 years coin Jan 25 '17
Liquid are still alive.
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u/ButteredGhost Jan 25 '17
Yea sure, can't wait for them to draw North and choke harder than a BSDM enthusiast. I've been doing this for two years now fam, in NA CS there is no hope until you see 16
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u/dinosaurxress Jan 25 '17
pronax strat: do poorly in the map the previous day to give opponents false confidence
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Jan 25 '17
When GODSENT play like this, they look like a top 5 team in the world, other times they look like they couldn't beat CLG. My absolutely ridicoulous prediction of GODSENT winning the major is getting closer however :)
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 25 '17
Yup. Problem is they just show up once in like 3 4 games, which cant win you tournaments.
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u/Quil0n Jan 25 '17
Hopefully this is the start of a streak for them, lol. Otherwise I'll have to count on Fnatic.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 25 '17
Would be amazing if they both get legends status. Even if they exchange players, both teams will be able to play next Major anyway!
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u/w00tthehuk BIG Jan 25 '17
Znajder tore them apart. I wish he would always be this consistent.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 25 '17
He actually has some panic like sprays, but his positioning and games sence is amazing.
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u/FamilyShoww HEROIC Jan 25 '17
Yesterday they looked like bots on cache, today they looked amazing. Must be the most incosistent team in this tournament right now.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 25 '17
Yeah godsent should be a good team when they play like this. They were very active on both t and ct side.
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u/Quil0n Jan 25 '17
Flusha's the only one who you can really count on unfortunately. But maybe we'll have 2 Swedish legends as usual. :)
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 25 '17
Lekro is really good and jw has been better. But some games lekro goes missing. Happy outcalled godsent yesterday. Godsent is much better than people are giving them credit for.
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Jan 25 '17
One step closer to fnatic v godsent final
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u/Big_Dirty_Piss_Boner Jan 25 '17
My Pickem is fucked now.....
BUT IT WAS FUCKING WORHT IT
GO FLUSHA, SHOW THEM
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u/Compadrepie de_train Jan 25 '17
Trump is dissapointed in your wall Optic
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Jan 25 '17
lmao they barely practice for the major after a long break and go out 1-3
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u/Knorikus Jan 25 '17
mixwell had a visa issue hard for them to bootcamp without one of their players
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u/Kambhela de_train Jan 25 '17
Bootcamp in EU where you actually have decent opposition to practice against and where you have most of your opponents for major also playing.
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u/VSENSES de_dust2 Jan 25 '17
This seems very reasonable. Just fly them all out to Stockholm and have them play at Inferno Online. It's been done before. Or any other european country for that matter. No excuses for a rich org tbh.
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u/deObb Jan 25 '17
godsent confuse me
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u/Nsyochum Godsent Jan 25 '17
welcome to the club, homie
flair up and enjoy the ride :)
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u/swyrl- FaZe Jan 25 '17
I'm starting a petition to ban OpTic from trying to go vents, comment to sign
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u/DannyKII MOUZ Jan 25 '17
I'm just happy for JW.
Fnatic vs Godsent k.o. game would be great.
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u/ignorantmuslim Jan 25 '17 edited Oct 12 '19
Optic deserve to lose, they are not playing like a team.
Not even sad.
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u/CaIzuh de_cobble Jan 25 '17
Lose*, Yeah that's true. Could really tell how bad their communication was.
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u/SwampGamer CS2 HYPE Jan 25 '17
Wow... I honestly didn't expect Liquid to make it further than Optic... those first two matches were kind of unlucky but they didn't look very good here versus Godsent.
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u/Tjernoobyl NiP Jan 25 '17
only godsent can demolish #1 and #2 on hltv rankings and then get completely dumpstered by envy
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u/walter_socom Godsent Jan 25 '17
people thinking optic would win the major 4Head
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 25 '17
People who said that are dumb. Optic only wanted top 8. They didn't boot camp and couldn't even practice in na because mixwell had visa problems.
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u/VanaMeister NiP Jan 25 '17
I did not expect this
Was abandoning their place at WESG really such a good call?
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u/dishayu Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
Getting sick of the "unlucky draw" excuse from Optic fans.
Optic opponent's HLTV ranks : 1,4,14,19, average : 9.5
Godsent opponent's HLTV ranks : 1,2,8,16, average : 6.75
Yet to see a singular person make the same argument for Godsent. It's a MAJOR ffs, don't expect handouts.
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Astralis got 2,3,11,14, average : 7.5.
SK got 1, 7, 9, 18, average : 9.25
A lot of teams have statistically had a harder draw than Optic, if we go by HLTV stats.
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u/maq358 Jan 25 '17
I haven't seen many people call their draw an "excuse." Most people are just discussing and referencing a very rough first two draws, which is a legitimate point of discussion.
Its kind of hard for anyone to call their draw an excuse when they get F3 and Godsent afterwards and still lose
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u/brozah EG Jan 25 '17
I see more people bitching about the bitching than actually bitching about the draw.
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u/mik5u Jan 25 '17
well optic fans, look at the bright side... it wasnt so bad as mouz's performance against liquid
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Jan 25 '17
inb4 the same optic fans that refused to believe they were lucky with opponents at EL S2 go "optic got super unlucky with their draws"
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u/KPC51 guardian2 Jan 25 '17
They did get unlucky, but only for two draws. They still deserved to get eliminated, playing like that.
I can't complain about their draws when they get destroyed by godsent and nearly lose to flipside
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 25 '17
Still people put them like Top 3, Top 4 contenders to win the whole thing, and we always knew thats not happening. But i did expect them to get to playoffs.
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u/KPC51 guardian2 Jan 25 '17
I never expected them to win, or even get to semis. I did expect them to get out of groups
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u/oisin1001 Astralis Jan 25 '17
They nearly got eliminated by Flipsid3 - the score there was 16-13. I thought Optic would get to the semis, but their play just wasn't great at all this tournament.
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u/Swbp0undcake Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
Why, whenever an NA team goes far in any tournament, does everyone say that its only because they got easy opponents?
They won a bo3 against an elite team and got to the finals of a big tournament the week after. The Eleauge win was deserved
And if you're saying VP and Astralis aren't unlucky draws I don't know what to say
Edit: also before anyone misconstrues (?) what I said- Optic did not play well this major and didn't deserve to become legends. I'm not arguing that
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u/flick3d Jan 25 '17
It's not NA. It's just overhyped teams. Obviously Optic and C9 fit the bill. G2's brief run was a similar fluke. Everyone knew it wouldn't last.
You don't have consistent success with guys like Skadoodle, Shroud, Stanislaw, NAF, Smithzz etc.
I will admit, the team who doesn't get called out who should is North. Until they prove otherwise, that team was also about as sustainable as Optic - i.e. not.
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u/HateIsStronger Jan 25 '17
Well I mean they played like shit so don't really know what to make of that
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u/ZT911 Jan 25 '17
Optic looking like the NA Dream Team ;)
BUT
Can we acknowledge that the possibility still exists of a Fnatic-Godsent Quarters/Semi/Finals
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u/Ikkie459 MOUZ Jan 25 '17
I can't even think of a thing to make an excuse for OpTic right now. There was barely a moment where i could even comprehend them winning a round, let alone the game. They need a CT-side, and fucking fast. Coach or this team will be trapped like liquid.
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Jan 25 '17
That's what happens when you barely practice before one of the biggest tournaments of the year
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Jan 25 '17
Optic would have won the entire tournament if they never met a team better than them.
/s they still wouldn't.
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u/MrTurtle7091 Natus Vincere Jan 25 '17
Whats the excuse for Optic now??
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u/Horiizzon Jan 25 '17
No excuse, just didnt play well enough as a team. Oh and navi is 100% winning this shit.
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u/Knorikus Jan 25 '17
No one could win any of their fights. Didn't deserve to win with how they were playing. All in on Liquid now I guess.
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u/Tugiovic Jan 25 '17
Losing to VP or Astralis is fine. But losing to GODSENT and (barely) beating F3 simply isnt good enough to make a decent run at a major or to be a top tier team.
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u/readyaimfire_exe Virtus.pro Jan 25 '17
To think I picked Optic over Gambit O:
Mistakes were made
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u/CloudRain313 Jan 25 '17
Pronax is constantly a problem though. I dont give a shit about his scoreboard but when godsent was 10-3 he runs into a main with bomb and dies. Loses round because of that. At 10-4 he runs into connector in mid and walks FIRST in hte push with bomb and dies, loses round. He's making amateur mistakes and you cant fucking do that.
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u/mikeraz510 Jan 25 '17
GODSENT=Gorbachev becuase they tore down the Greenwall. OpTic favored to do well at the biggest tounament of the year and the go out eariler than expected, such is life as an OpTic fan.
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u/Aldous-Huxtable ENCE Jan 25 '17
So Godsent apparently only wins against top ranked teams. Guess they're hoping for SK next round..
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Jan 25 '17
GG GODSENT. Guess it's time to root for VP.
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u/ayysizzle Jan 25 '17
I'm rooting for VP too. I used to hate them because they always stomped NA teams, but it's so hard to dislike them. They've been together for so long and they're still at the top, not to mention watching Snax play is so amazing
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u/flick3d Jan 25 '17
Jesus, the crying about the draw.
Godsent ALSO drew Astralis and bodied them out of the server.
Grow a pair or go home, fellas.
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u/RadiantSun FaZe Jan 25 '17
RIP NA
Gotta hope for Liquid now.
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u/ayysizzle Jan 25 '17
I've made that mistake a few times before, my heart can't handle it again. I'm rooting for NaVi or VP
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u/wired41 The MongolZ Jan 25 '17
Honestly, what the fuck Optic? Tarik, go back to playing Rank S where you just joke around and run through smokes because you clearly don't give a fuck about actually doing something against international teams.
Also, why the fuck is Stanislaw the one pushing and getting raped? What happened to the other aimers on this team? And on Train, yesterday, WHY THE FUCK IS STAN PLAYING SOLO B?? He got raped by a tec-9 long range and they never changed up the set up.
I cannot believe Optic is going out and Liquid are still in this, amazing.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 25 '17
Godsent had the perfect calls on t side. If optic had one b they would fast hit. If they played one a they would hit a. If they were weak mid they took mid.
Godsent won the clutches from experience and had great ct setups. Optic just couldn't win late round on t side. Every round was basically a 2v2.
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u/JuicyKay Jan 25 '17
R.I.P Pick'em
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u/Kon_Eclypse Jan 25 '17
So far I missed Astralis going 3-0 and Optic passing by. There are still some games to go so it can go decent or bad, we will see. I didn't follow the scene in recent months so I had to go with what most said plus adding Fnatic as a sure to pass team since I support them.
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u/ayysizzle Jan 25 '17
Annoyed because C9 didn't qualify Need an NA team to support Choose #GreenWall Optic go out in groups FeelsNAMan
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u/xUsuSx Jan 25 '17
All we need now is a little rng in the game draws for tomorrow.
Godsent and Fnatic in playoffs would be insane.
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u/johnbon7 MIBR Jan 25 '17
Godsent actually looked really good in this match. The mid round calls and setups were great. I did not get to watch fnatic during the pronax era. Maybe this is a glimpse of how it was then.
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u/-RedLink- Jan 25 '17
Wow the team that had less hours than most teams went out? What a surprise. OpTic may have been good but they're still an NA team. GG Godsent.
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u/ewakr Jan 25 '17
This should have easily went to Optic. They played like trash, their defense and executes looked unorganizes. That was one of their worst performances.
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u/tarangk clutch Jan 25 '17
optic went 13-16 vs VP, 12-16 vs astralis, 16-13 vs flipside and 8-16 vs godsent
overall they had bad draws for the first two games but the flispide game was very close and they could easily have lost that and they were really bad verses godsent
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u/CapturedSkulls FaZe Jan 25 '17
Dammit man i had optic making semis with a strong showing but i guess not
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Jan 25 '17
people talk about optics draw and yeah it sucked, but if you want to make it deep in majors can't just expect to face flipside hr and mous level teams.
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jan 25 '17
:(
Can't blame the draw after getting 2 winnable games & losing. GJ Godsent, disappointing.
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u/SRMustang35 Jan 25 '17
Honestly, with how we played this week, it wouldn't have mattered who we got to play. Tough loss, hopefully we can turn it around for the tournaments coming up.
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u/Cheesewithmold 1 Million Celebration Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
Glad I didn't change my flair.
2 and a half years and running (or however long team flairs have been here for).
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u/This_is__Jeff The MongolZ Jan 25 '17
Before people start compalining: the swiss system really isn't to blame here.
I'm gonna copy what i wrote in a different threat:
The chance for every single unique group to be drawn in GSL format is 1.5625%. Let's count the godsent-astralis game as an massive upset where astralis had to play much worse than normal to make it happen, so we would have had 3 top8-teams in the group.
by HLTV the teams that would qualify for that would be:
Case i) Optic, Astralis, SK, VP, North, Faze, nV, Na'Vi.
More realistically the top8 teams would be:
Case ii) Optic, Astralis, SK, VP, North, Faze, Na'Vi, G2.
It doesn't matter which case you choose, because both G2 and nV are together with Optic in pool 4 therefor cannot be in optics group.
Let's put Optic as set for our group. It doesn't matter propability-wise. The possible groups with 2 other Top8 teams would be
i - iv) North, NaVi/Astralis, Liquid/Fnatic
v - viii) North, Flipsid3/Gambit, VP/SK
ix - xii) Faze, NaVi/Astralis, Liquid/Fnatic
xiii - xvi) Faze, Flipsid3/Gambit, VP/SK
xvii - xx) Godsent, NaVi/Astralis, SK/VP
xxi - xxiv) mouz, Navi/Astralis, SK/VP
A total of 24 possible groups, which means a propability for it to happen of 24 * 0.015625 = 37.5%. Not that rare now, is it?
Let's look at the swiss system. Optic could've played vs SK, Liquid, Fnatic and VP in the first game, meaning a propability of 50% / 1/2 there.
In the second round, Optic could've played Liquid, Fnatic, Astralis, F3, North, mouz, HR. of these teams only Astralis and North are top8. meaning the propability is 2/7 or 28.57 %, which in total makes it 1/2 * 2/7 = 14.286%
Also, take into account that Optic in the swiss system has another chance, while they wouldn't have had another one in GSL. All hail the Swiss System! (needless to say i love it)
By the way, if you mean top8 HLTV and not top8 of the tournament (NaVi is 9.), the propability for the GSL groups sinks to 25%, which is still way above the swiss system (which doesn't change, because G2/nV/Navi couldn't have been played at any point)
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Jan 25 '17
Optic look so off. They should have been eliminated yesterday against Flipsid3 but F3 just choked.
I doubt Optic will make it far.
Well deserved win for Godsent.
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Jan 25 '17
When you're from NA there is no hope.
Atleast I have a polish background soo..... GO VP? Is this allowed?
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u/JackJagged Jan 25 '17
TFW you draw Astralis, VP, GODSENT and Flipsid3 in your first 4 games in the major
And your NA counterpart draws EnVyUs, FaZe, Mousesports and Flipsid3.
Seriously though, I don't know what happens with OpTic, from event to event they change between being much better on T side than CT and vice versa. Not even close though, they usually wreck on one side and get wrecked on the other nowadays, no matter who they're playing.
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u/hajlajf NiP Jan 25 '17
Actually a strong performance from Godsent. Making it to quarters doesn't seem impossible,
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u/Lord7777 NiP Jan 25 '17
I haven't had time to watch the interview with Rush, but I can't believe Optic saying they didn't have time to prepare? Why the fuck not
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u/Splay_ NiP Jan 25 '17
Man even though Godsent lost so many stupid rounds (like Pronax donating the bomb to Optic twice or that A take against pistols) they came on top. What is this nonsense of a team?
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u/King_marik fnatic Jan 25 '17
Woot I was so scared godsent goes out in groups. Still a good chance they do, but at least it wasn't to na. Go godsent klget that top 8!
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u/PoppyK Jan 25 '17
I mean, not practicing properly before the biggest event of the year so far had its consequences... Optic were playing NA Rank S 1 week before the major....
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u/KronoS275 Jan 25 '17
Godsent doesn't make any sense